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Forum Post: I hate lying righties who are perpetually WRONG

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 4, 2012, 12:56 a.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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it's true

i do

so fuck you

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[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

to discuss and compromise, the adversary must possess a little honesty and sincerity. there's none to be seen on the right side. their existence pollutes the gene pool of the planet.

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[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

There's none so blind as a repelicant (or is that repugnicant) who will not see.

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[-] 2 points by ChemLady (576) 2 years ago

Do you at least tolerate righties that have a position that is right?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

When have the (R)epelican'ts had a position that was correct?

Help me out here, I was pretty young when Eisenhower was President.

[-] 1 points by ChemLady (576) 2 years ago

One position or a platform? Neither political party has done a good job of expressing the truth. I've been forced to look at individual issues and go with whomever I find least harmful. In general I find certain conservative issues valid and certain liberal one valid also. Politicians of all stripes lie and generally seem interested only in reelection.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The question wasn't that difficult, but thanks for trying..........:)

It wasn't very informative though.

[-] -3 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

She gave an intelligent response to a retarded loser.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Like you, she can't answer simple question?

I hope she's not full of methadrine, like you are.

After all, you seem to think you give intelligent response.

You don't.

[-] -3 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

You can't spell, or write a complete sentence. Did you pass 4th grade writing yet?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You can't read at forth grade level yet?

Sorry, I'll dumb it down for a fascist.

Yer a fuck wad.

[-] -1 points by amerman (26) 2 years ago

and you cannot write fourth grade level "forth

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[-] 2 points by ChemLady (576) 2 years ago

Difficult to say who is done and who isn't. Both political parties are led by people that couldn't find the truth if they wanted to.

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[-] 2 points by ChemLady (576) 2 years ago

You are quick to judge based on only a couple of sentences. I rarely vote for president, I tend to stay more involved with congress and local politics. My feeling has always been that to get that high up in either party you've sold off so many pieces of yourself that there isn't any real you left. I did have hopes that Obama was different because he hadn't been in the game so long. He's been something of a disappointment.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

New England has a history of courageous politicians and people who are independent minded, and who simply put the country's interests ahead big moneyed or party interests of. I t was three NE republicans who were instrumental in bringing down the ugly period of McCarthyism. First and foremost it was Senator Margaret Chase Smith of Maine who spoke out very early in a famous speech she said, "...I don't want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the Four Horsemen of Calumny...Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry, and Smear." Then it was Senator Ralph Flanders R Vermont who introduced the motion in the Senate to censure Joe McCarthy. Finally it was an Army lawyer from Boston who put the final nail in the coffin of McCarthy's campaign of terror. In a very famous live television broadcast Senate hearing, he uttered these famous words..... when McCarthy started berating his young colleague's connection with the National Lawyer's Guild.... insuating that they were a Communist front organization....with tears in his eyes, he said to McCarthy, "....Let us not assasinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency sir?" McCarthyism was dead with those few eloquent, heart-felt sentences.

To be fair, it was also a mid-westerner who also played a key role in McCarthy's demise. His name was President Dwight D. Eisenhower. He was initially criticized for not speaking up against McCarthy, and told an aide that he did not want to get down in the gutter with him. Eisenhower knew though that if McCarthy was given enough rope, he would hang himself so to speak, so he was one of the people who helped organize a behind the scenes effort to have those live Senate hearings in which McCarthy did indeed do himself in.

President Eisenhower who was also the former Supreme Allied Commander of Allied Forces in Europe during World War II, should be mostly lauded for his stand against the military industrial complex. From three months into his presidency to his final speech as President, he warned the country of this impending nemesis, the MIC. In his final speech to the nation, he said, "Every gun that is made, every warhip launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." What a wonderful legacy he left us. It should be our job to see that it is finally implemented.

From this history lesson that I have humbly given, my point is that this movement should not become a partisan one in any way shape, or form. Democrats are almost as much to blame for our sorry state of affairs as are republicans. We are on a noble mission. As I have said many times before, this is about RIGHT and WRONG. I would much rather be out in the streets with all of you principled, courageous people than to get in the gutter of partisan politics to affect the positive change that we all want.

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[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Believe me, I am not defending them. We just don't agree on the tactics needed to get where we both want to go. That's all.

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

it is our constitution right to lie, cheat & steal

[-] 0 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

You know that is not true. To steal is to "deprive another of their property" and that is distinctly prohibited in the Constitution.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That never stopped WallStreet, nor any bank or corporation that wanted to.

[-] 3 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

Yes, so it's now our job - "the people" - who are the "real government" to act together to hold them accountable. Those currently representing "us" in government are not getting the job done.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yep, and it's particulary nasty and ugly, on the part of those with an (R) after their names, so be sure to vote them out in '12'!!

[-] -1 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

Do not let your mind be "clouded" by the belief that political parties matter. They matter, but mostly to "the elite" who are able to use them to "pacify" the people. The overall goal should be the achievement of Liberty among The Republic, no matter who is "in office".

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Sorry, I'd like to believe you, but the evidence says otherwise, in many ways.

The (R)s just crashed us into a cliff.........................unapologeticly.

You would have to be completely "clouded" and at least a little mis-educated to vote for them again.

[-] 1 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

We have had this discussion and you know that I vote based on the individual, their words, and their voting record. Meaning that if the candidate I believed in was to switch parties, but their principles remained the same, I would still support them.

So, for you, I have an important question: Are you 100% loyal to the Democratic party for the past, present, and future?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I know you vote for Mr. P.

You have been entirely clouded, beyond that.

Preferring to accuse and assume, rather than reveal.

I think it's time for you to clearly answer some questions.

[-] 0 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

My question went un-answered.

Here it is, again: "Are you 100% loyal to the Democratic party for the past, present, and future?"

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm 100% loyal to my family, nowhere else.

I will likely be voting Democratic for the next few election cycles.

I have yet to hear an honest word form the current crop of republicans.

Not one honest word..

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

... ok ...well.. 2 out 3 ain't that bad .... can we get the other two ... ;)

[-] -1 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

I guess that would depend on if one's lying or cheating could be proven, in court, as an infringement on another person's liberty. If it could be, then I would imagine statutes against said infringement would be "written into law".

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Wish I could disagree but I can't, one gets bored squshing rightie ants, but I will pick a bone with your sentence structure. I contend that all righties are wrong but only most righties lie.... hmmm this could be tough don't know if I can defend that position.....

[-] 3 points by TheTrollSlayer (347) from Kingsport, TN 2 years ago

Reckon that could be because that's who we're mostly hearing from.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

none of them are repling to any of my post anymore, I guess their learning to pick their fights, my hats off to you sir living in the belly of the beast, I'm from east TN, living in AZ now, you can run into some pretty wild ideas out there

[-] 1 points by TheTrollSlayer (347) from Kingsport, TN 2 years ago

Kingsport is in upper east tennessee, hope you enjoy Arizona. Ive long seen how the republican leadership and media works, only to con the lessor informed to what they want them to believe. But lets not believe the democrats are all truthful and a saving grace for they are the problem as well. They've helped the corporate elite for decades as well and continue to keep things business as usual. Its more than the elite paying some taxes. Look at what free trade instead of fair trade has continued to do, fully supported by the democrats for instance. Google how many jobs got shipped out of country in 2011. They also help the elite continue to degrade this country and their not honest about it. Both sides are the problem, though one side is more outwardly dishonest about it.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Well here's one place I think Reagan got it right, trust but verify. I could be wrong but I think I have some good ideas, and I want my ideas to be reflected in public policy so I chose to participate, I will say that when I took the time to watch CSPAN and watched each vote the dems were very consistent in that the majority of them almost always voted how I would have, in cases where that was not true the GOP did not vote as I would have, but it was a runaway vote in what I thought was the wrong direction, i.e. Iraq war.

[-] 3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

LoL!

I was getting irritated when I posted this - global warming deniers kept hounding me so I decided to put up a banner. For some reason they tapered off right after that - but maybe just because it was late.

Not sure.

Don't care.

and yup - that could be a difficult position to defend - someone will certainly come along and assert that surely it isn't true, that in fact it is only a small minority of righties who have made both a habit and a career of lies . . . .

and as for the rest, probably lie no more nor less than average folk . . .

Personally I don't have a dog in that fight . . .

haha!

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

good points, one could contend that if a person truly believes an inaccurate postition they are merely misinformed and not lying still when taken collectively the positions of the right require that one consider only one issue at a time: Take abortion and the death penality, if life begins at conception why do you want to put the doctor away for a couple of years at most and the woman not at all? (speaking to a rightie of course) Hard to imgine their not fugeing the truth even to themseles a little.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

LoL!

yes indeed. You know, it occurs to me that righties are indeed an argument unto themselves demonstrating the abundant necessity of drastically increasing both practices . . .

haha

just kidding

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

yeah me too I keep telling myself that, I really want to be just kidding, my son (who has a Poly Sci degree) will often say that he's a liberal because he wants to protect the wealthy from the guillotine

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

OK so I know we’re just kidding here, but I’ve read some of your other post now. And so: I really do believe that the “99%” and the “1%” should be on the same side here trying to prevent the violence that comes from the path we’re on and truly to avoid that outcome is as much as anything as to what motives me. (I got a friend in the 1%)

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I'd say your on target there, here's a couple numbers I put together sort of supports what your saying just a different market

DJIA: Reagan +238%, Clinton +325%, Bush -22%, Obama +154% (3years)

Here’s the dates, numbers used, 01/23/1981 (940), 1/20/1989 (2235), 01/23/1993 (3257), 01/19/2001 (10587), 01/23/2009 (8281), 01/26/2012 (12735),

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

opps sorry about that it's just the Dow Jones during a few recent Presidents, I think what it shows is how good policy can lift all boats, another way I like to pu it is, "I'd rather pay a little more tax on a 154% profit than less tax on a 22% loss."

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[-] 2 points by ONEMAN17 (2) 2 years ago

I agree. There needs to be a change with our current people in office peacefully. This needs to be by the book as how it is reads in the US Constitution. This would be both sides from the President and Congress, I do feel that for the people to make a change everyone needs to come together this includes the Tea Party, Occupy Wall Street, and others. People need to research history, US policy and come to some king of common ground. If we do not do this we are just as bad as the current people in office.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I am ready to come together with all who are ready to raise taxes on the wealthy.

I don't want to do all this work and get nothing done just for the sake of being all together.

I don't know if any in the TEA Party are ready to raise taxes, but if they are welcome.

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[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

It's a difficult position to defend because it's a false position. It is not a difficult behavior to define however:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_distortion

You saying you don't have a dog in that fight is like Imelda Marcos saying she doesn't have shoes to match that outfit....

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I don't have a dog in that fight - I really don't give a shit if some or if most righties lie - it's immaterial. The fact is they are consistently wrong

And I'll be more than happy to . . .

  • restructure your cognition

You won't like it - I promise.

It begins with a careful and detailed examination of every single facet of your life, from daily patterns of speech to those goods or services you purchase on an irregular, perhaps even annual, basis . . .

and when we are done you will be convinced . . . aliens are obsessed with the change in your pocket . . .

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 2 years ago

You sound familiar with the process, but not the results.....

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[+] -4 points by amerman (26) 2 years ago

The comments coming from you is a clear indication that the libtards are sinking yet deeper into the cesspool. They are the disease of America and everyone has woken up to it. Hell the Dems do not even want you burned out stinky hippies around them anymore either.

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[-] -3 points by commonsense11 (195) 2 years ago

You and your Global Warming. Now I don't deny that we need to take care of our environment and leave as little of an impact as we can. I also realize there are a lot of reckless people and companies out there that could care less about the environment and only care about profits but it seems everyone on the Global Warming Bandwagon fail to take into account that the impact we truly have, even if it were eliminated entirely, won't stop Global Warming.

Tell me how responsible was the human race for the last Ice Age or the one before that? Of course Ice Ages eventually turn to Global Warming, Global Warming then segues into the next Ice Age and so on and so forth. We must take care of our environment but we can't stop it from happening and Global Warming is used as a scare tactic to the extent and for the purpose of grabbing power like any other scare tactic out there.

Apply a little common sense and balance to the argument. Oh you have your lying righties, Would you prefer whining or crying lefties?

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[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

you know back in the dark ages it was really hard to convince the right wing that the earth was round also ...

I've also met some that don't believe we ever landed on the moon

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[-] -1 points by commonsense11 (195) 2 years ago

I would like to see the same thing. Don't be naive though. The Green Movement is putting their own spin on things and putting far to large of a percentage of the blame on man. There will be a lot of Green Companies that get rich off of this.

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[-] -3 points by headlesscross (67) 2 years ago

"unless of course we engage in geo-engineering. And that is, if we stop putting co2 into the atmosphere now and can stabilize it."

Now this confirms you're completely a straight jacket case. As much as you post here trying to convince everyone with your MMGW/CC hysteria and twisted facts I believe you really are posting from a padded room some where. Tell Nurse Ratched to increase your meds will ya?

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[-] -2 points by headlesscross (67) 2 years ago

As we all know Vermont is the Model by which the Hoax of MMGW and CC is based upon. I'm sure Algore has a least one Custom Home somewhere in the state.

So why don't you stop driving your Prius,stop using electricity (coal powered), and completely shut down your carbon footprint,since you're so convinced the world is at the precipice of destruction?

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[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

How much longer do you think they can actually keep up the pretense.

It's like that old joke of a woman that walks in and finds her husband in bed with another woman. He says something like, "Are you going to believe your eyes or what I am telling you?"

It wasn't funny when I heard it and I can't make it more funny now.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I haven't been outside with no shoes in January and February since I left Florida. Really. I'm not talking about hanging out without shoes but running out to get something from the car or the mailbox or take the trash out.

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[-] -1 points by headlesscross (67) 2 years ago

"The high temp today, February 6, 2012, tied the record in Burlington - 50 degrees F - 21 degrees above normal"

BFD,doesn't mean a damn thing.

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[-] -1 points by headlesscross (67) 2 years ago

HA,that was kinda funny. So you do have a sense of humor.

However I'll spell it out.

"The high temp today, February 6, 2012, tied the record in Burlington - 50 degrees F - 21 degrees above normal"

Big Fucking Deal,that doesn't mean a damn thing.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I should have gone outside a couple of hours ago.

I just took a break out on my balcony it was 78F, normally a warm day at this time of year averages around 20F.

OH Well I will just have to pay better attention tomorrow.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

How are you going to shut everything off to test your hypotheses?

We can't stop it? Why are you so defeatist?

The speed at which it's happening doesn't gibe with records.

The "scare tactics" are actually a marketing term to get you buy things, rather than think rationally.

You really should use a little common sense and balance your argument.

Yes, it's happening.

Yes, most data shows we are effecting it.

[-] 3 points by dogod (7) 2 years ago

90% of scientists agree Global Warming is very real and that humans are affecting it. As usual, Republican God boys are messed up in their logic and believe the fairy tales being told to them. Why shouldn't they? They grew up believing in a magical sky daddy.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They haven't noticed the oceans are almost fished out, because Red Lobster is still open.

They highly underestimate mankind.

[-] -1 points by commonsense11 (195) 2 years ago

Were you here to document the last Ice Age? Do you know anything about the patterns that lead to it? I would say as things get closer and closer to shifting from one Age to the next things move much faster. We need to take care of our environment but this Global Warming Scare is a tactic and it also will make a lot of "Green Companies" very rich. I believe fully we should head that way and leave as little as a footprint as possible but you people crack me up. Unable to think for yourselves.

The fact is It's going to happen like it or not.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They use coring of ice and sediments to get a picture of the rate these changes happen at.

It's more accurate than you might think, and it's becoming more complete.

The DATA demonstrates unprecedented speed, for this change.

You also confirmed my analysis of the "scare tactics", without acknowledging it.

It's you who's cracking me up, in a scary kind of way.

Indeed, your conclusion shows a complete lack of common sense.

[-] -1 points by commonsense11 (195) 2 years ago

Disagree. It is you who are being manipulated and weak of mind. Once again I do believe we need to do everything we can to reduce our impact but you are being played like an old fiddle if you take everything you hear and read as gospel. These trends will pick up speed as they progress. I don't think that is such an unusual revelation.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

WE can argue this over and over.

It won't change the science, and the science is what I pay attention to.

Keep on believing the corporate line if you like.

But please STOP using their inflammatory rhetoric on me.

It won't work.

[-] 1 points by commonsense11 (195) 2 years ago

We disagree as to what degree man is effecting this process. I don't deny that we have an effect. I just recognize that "scare tactics" are being employed and more blame is being placed on us then is true. There will be a lot of Green Companies that get rich off of this so we shouldn't be so naive as to not recognize that there are almost always ulterior motives.

I do however believe that the Green Movement is a good thing. I spend most of my free time outdoors and want nothing more then to see my grandchildren enjoy what I have enjoyed.

[-] -3 points by amerman (26) 2 years ago

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha reject, Global warming was debunked a long time ago, loser

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[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yukyukukyukyukyukyukyukyukyukyukyuk...................No it wasn't.

Airhead.

[-] -1 points by amerman (26) 2 years ago

hahhhahahhahhahahahahhhahahhahahahah bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ar ar ar what another libtard loser. "Oh no the World is burning up!!!!!!! bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Whatever you say Glenn.

You should go back to Israel and wait for the flotilla.

Don't forget to take your clown barrel. so you have a place to hide.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The worst of it is they repeat themselves over and over.

Then they change their username, and repeat themselves over and over again.

Rinse lather and repeat. They give blondes a bad name.

(R)epelican'ts are DONE!!!

Stick a fork in them!!!!!

[-] 3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago
[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They are overdone.

Burnt out and crusty..

[-] 3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Now why would I do that?

I don't do drugs, and I don't have kids . . .

If righties really wanna end the practice of kids getting high one option might be legalization. It seems to keep alcohol out of school fairly well. Provided of course, it is supplemented with a proactive campaign to ensure those who facilitate underaged drinking are punished.

The other option is to enforce the law. A difficult choice, I know - especially since it often happens that local law enforcement is often locked out of pursuing drug dealers because of overlapping jurisdiction with federal agencies, thus leaving them with little say about the level of criminal activity taking place in their own community . . . .

Since I don't use myself, I really don't have a dog in that fight, and really can't see much point behind the validation of stopping by to comment.

Here, have a frizbee

and another

[-] 0 points by oneAdam12 (-7) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

you may not use now.....But you did way to much acid, etc....back in the 70's & 80's.

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[-] 1 points by Proteus (141) from Quebec, QC 2 years ago

The problem is that there is not enough variation between left and right. I live in a place considered as more leftist, and I fail to see the gain, I'm poorer by the years and I got incredible difficulties getting a service in sense.

What I say is that society can't be driven like a bus, left or right, and anyway, we are currently full speed in an oil slick with a precipice ahead, good luck! If we are lucky we'll get out of it before the inevitable, but we'll get very dirty doing so.

No need to answer with political questions, I'm out of politics, and I'm not a US citizen.

I'm occupied building the next bus, so thanks for reading my opinion.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

not fond of anyone that lies

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They are still out there, still lying, and still perpetually and petulantly wrong.

[-] 1 points by Samcitt (136) 2 years ago

Right wingers are left brain dominant. No bigger picture thinking, no creativity, no empathy, no imagination.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

We Hate Lier's & We don't much like Groupies :: the trilogy

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/we-hate-liers-we-dont-much-like-groupies-the-trilo/

[-] 1 points by smartcapitalist (143) 2 years ago

I hate both lying righties and lying lefties. They are blind to facts in their own ways.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

cool ... ;) I'm w/ ya on that .... your now officially a 99%er ... welcome.. ;)

[-] 0 points by smartcapitalist (143) 2 years ago

Technically, as far as yearly earnings goes, I am not part of the 99%. But thats relatively new found prosperity. Most of life has been spent being part of the 20% or so.

[-] -1 points by BannedForTruth (233) from Christiana, TN 2 years ago

So true.

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

I hate people who hate people!

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[-] 1 points by TheTrollSlayer (347) from Kingsport, TN 2 years ago

Gotta figure if its by ignorance or intention or even air headed, say, nutty newts moon colony in 2020 like we're gonna be in any shape to pay for what that would cost.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

I would say that not ALL the right lie... however I would say that

"ALL the extreme right either lie or distort the truth in Everything they say"

just my opinion

[-] -3 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Youre a stupid ass too. Just my opinion.

[-] 1 points by timirjha (10) 2 years ago

why you do this? did you get any paid for your lie? if you'll think logical about KeyStone XL you'll understand that if this is so bad for USA environment it either bad for Canadian environment too. Somebody have to work with conversion. why want you talk about 104 atomic energy station in US instead? this is very bad for environment especially in this hard GEO political time. i mean it tremendous danger to homeland security like important government security objects.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

---->i hate lying righties who are perpetually WRONG...

hmmm, I wonder how many righties that includes ....;)

[-] 3 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

All of them.

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

One of the better post that I have seen .

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[-] 0 points by Emalm (12) 2 years ago

I love making you mad and it is so easy.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

LOL - does he understand sign language?

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Maybe one of his keepers will translate when they find him again.

[-] 0 points by Emalm (12) 2 years ago

Come on throw out some invectives.

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[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

My ears are ringing! LOL

I can just picture ZenHog sitting in his basement apartment watching MSNBC while Shooz is fetching him another fatty for a night cap.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wow this an old post - who dragged it back into the light of day?

Seems to have resurfaced on a good day for it. {:-])

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Cool.

Like I said a timely reappearance for this post. {:-])

Think it will attract flies?

[-] -1 points by kellyhannah (-2) 2 years ago

"HATE" ZENDOG? Really?The tree of liberty is absolutely under significant siege today from a gathering storm. Call it it Euro-socialism, democratic-socialism, Marxism, liberalism, or simply the policies of the Obama administration partnered with an ever-expansive government in Washington, in the end the storm has one name: utopianism.“Utopianism is not new...“ It has been repackaged countless times—since Plato and before. It is as old as tyranny itself. In democracies, its practitioners legislate without end. In America, law is piled upon law in contravention and contradiction of the governing law—the Constitution.” Your too stupid to realize how stupid you really are......

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[-] -1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

I think many of them are sick. We need to help them. They're victims of people like Grover Norquist and John Boehner. The Christian Evangelicals/religious right are a powerful political force and they have been trained to be indoctrinated. Illogical thought process and brainwashing - what else explains how Republicans keep getting elected based on lies?

The Republicans use Christian Evangelicals to their advantage and it actually makes their job very easy.

[-] 2 points by hoot (313) 2 years ago

you guys are just as bad as christian fundamentalists. The higher than thou attitude needs to go if we actually want to progress. I'm no righty but i'm no arrogant piece of shit lefty either. you are no better than them. You trash talk these people based on extreme stereotypes, your just as bad as the christian evangelicals if not worse.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Technically, the Religious Right is much better than the left. They are far more organized and powerful politically. I don't claim to be higher than thou - only more logical than most arguments I've heard from the Religious Right. The higher than thou attitude is that of the Religious Right based on self righteousness rather than logic.

Sure, the left has its Sierra Clubs, and some other organizations like that. But none are so powerful as the calling from God.

You're right. The higher than thou attitude should go. Tell that to the Religious Right. Not I. Tell that to the Republicans who perversely use God in politics for their political advantage. The Republicans have turned this into a science. Often flip flopping all over the place with respect to Roe v Wade, since that is the main thing the Religious Right cares about. Eschewing all other rational logical thought, especially with regards to the economy. Believing the lies from the Republicans that higher taxes on the wealthy with destroy the economy for instance. The Republicans use this quite brilliantly. The Religious Right buy it because they are so gullible based on their propensity for indoctrination, and in the hopes of overturning Roe. Meanwhile the Republicans also get to serve the interests of the wealthy at the same time. It's a very good strategy really.

[-] 1 points by hoot (313) 2 years ago

im not saying that the right is innocent of any of this at all. but to complain about it constantly isn't going to change anything. the people on the right you are talking about take the "word of god" as law. but that is only one faction of the right. We need to get out of this dialectic mentality. We need to realize that intervention is wrong on a corporate level as well as government level we must live in a free society and quite frankly the nuts on the right have a closer idea to free society than the majority of the left. i know socially the right is retarded but im not sure that matters as much as a free economy the right needs to see the problem with corps and you and the left need to see the prob with government

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Communication is a beautiful thing. "the right is retarded" - we agree! lol.

Everyone needs to see the problem of government corruption. It will be much more difficult to convince the right of this. The right generally see the solution of campaign reform as simply needing more transparency. So that it is more clear who is bribing who for what. If we're going to go the transparency route, I would argue for the opposite. Total and complete anonymity. So our politicians don't know who to do favors for and who to pay back, but instead can vote their conscience for the greater public good.

The right have already had their way with a free economy thank you very much. Deregulation, trusting the free market to take care of itself, and low tax rates on the wealthy, hasn't worked out very well. The right is not going to do any favors for the middle class and the economy as a whole.

What problems are you referring to that the left needs to see with government?

[-] 1 points by hoot (313) 2 years ago

ok first off the right sees the gov corruption is it not the left who wants a bigger more powerful government? A government that can pass bills such as NDAA and SOPA ACTA PIPA etc without our consent? A government that could potentially make abortions and gay marriage illegal or continue these crazy imperialist wars? Yes we would hope that the people with power wouldn't do these things but look at what they have been trying to do. we have never had a free market, we have a market controlled by the gov that supports corps and banks to serve them and not us. having a secret gov that votes their conscience is possibly the scariest thing possible letting them put through agendas that only serve themselves. we need to have full transparency to punish those who commit crimes against the public and we need a free market so that everyone is given an equal chance to make something of themselves. I'm a musician, now what would happen if the government decided there is no need for new music, what if they decide that i should be making sneakers in some factory away from the home i've made for myself and away from my family. You might say that this would never happen, and you may be right about tht, but what if it did, its completely plausible with a secret government that controls the market that picks who wins and who losses who could take more than 50 percent of our paychecks to support itself. thats far from a free society

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[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yep.

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

Fuck you too.....you ignorant ass

You just want to do some easy marginal job and get paid more than your worth, and hope for some of the plunder of centralized authoritarian government....

you're insane and delusional.....

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[-] -3 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

You, my friend are the sort of element all polite societies need less of, you are just an angry loser fuckhead with delusional idea's and a small sad life that you wish to inflict on everyone else to make yourself feel better about your own failures.....

Take a shower, shave that fucking hillbilly beard and join productive and participatory society and work toward creating something instead of feeling the need to kick down everyone else's sand castles, simply because you don't know how to build your own...

You are a callow, delusional fool, with clear anger issues and social problems....

Maybe if you clean yourself up you might get laid, then you won't be so damn angry.....

[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

hehehehe... I think ZD likes replies like that ....

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

He's a pussy behind a keyboard talking big...

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

This must be the "new improved" slammy.

His real self has come to the forefront.

He really is a child.

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

you guys are impressive......when your done going down on one another perhaps you might try to make an intelligent point....not that I expect such behavior from either of you...

[-] -2 points by owsrebel1984 (-1) 2 years ago

Never expect anything intelligent from any OWS BOT.

It's all designed by the FBI/DHS/CIA to create 'protester fatigue' and drive good people away.

[-] -3 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

You are an asshole go take your meds. You are a little more pleasant when you do.

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[-] -3 points by tomahawk99 (-26) 2 years ago

Zendog is demented the poster boy for OWS.

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[-] -1 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Zen is right for once. The Capitol is filled with corrupt fruitcakes, the worst being chairman Obama.

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[-] -3 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

No I hate how stupid he is. I'd prefer Herman Cain fudge packer.

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[-] -2 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Fuck off. You are a fucking loser lib. Crying racist because someone thinks the president is a worthless retard is the typical lib drivel. Go wipe your face off, you look disgusting.

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[-] -3 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

The democrats are the ones that never wanted the civil rights act passed. The republicans passed it with more votes than the democrats. You are pretty fucking stupid aren't you? You lefties are always crying race about everything, not the right.

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[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

you do realize that when you compare a political party from one era with a political party from another era, you tell on yourself as being a dunce. Those were different times and different people. What, do you believe the political parties don't change? I defend the blue team this time around because i've witnessed the red team's atrocities. You do realize that at one time there was a progressive wing in the republican party. There, at one time, was also a Conservative wing that was not bat shit crazy, but things change when ideas change.

[-] -2 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

I have been alive through these times. It's not a different era to me. I believe both parties have gone left the past 25 years, and I believe the left wants to keep people on the dole for no other reason than a vote.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

You are right, both parties are growing the Gov't. But at least the Blue team does not run on a platform of limited gov't and turns the table on the voters when they get in office. Politics is about self interests and if both parties are going to grow the gov't, I might as well fight for the side that is going to bring home the bacon for my class. A working class Republican is an oxymoron in my book. They remind me of dogs cowering to their masters in hopes that their masters will throw them a bone. This is the dirty truth that most people do not want to realize. Also, taxes have to go up and the red team is not up to the task.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

good point

wealth needs to be moved back into circulation and the elite are sitting on their hands

[-] -1 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Taxes will go up and should to a degree. However, when the debt is more than 100% of the GDP, wer'e just a few skips down the road behind the Greeks. As far as running on limited government, your'e correct, none of these bastards have anything that resembles a set of balls.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

So then, you're not a racist, just a fascist?

You just like the taste of jack boots?

[+] -4 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Fuck off loser. Your president would be the defender of fascism, but your too fucking stupid to see that.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Awww.

Got sent home early from middle school, and catching up on the latest methadrine induced nonsense?

Think you're a winner?

Nope, you're wiener.

A little tiny one at that.

So go lick yourself.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yes, of course Herr Goering.

You're "right", mums the word.

[-] -2 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Nazi prick, I might have known.

[-] -3 points by tomahawk99 (-26) 2 years ago

Zendog is demented the poster boy for OWS.

[-] -3 points by amerman (26) 2 years ago

Zendog is doing nothing to help create a better Country and his only intent is to further divide the American people. The majority of his postings are worthless liberal propaganda and nothing else

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

That is a lie. You are a liar.

[-] -1 points by amerman (26) 2 years ago

That is the absolute truth and you are just as bad. You and zenDipShit are nothing but liberal propaganda machines, spreading nothing but liberal lies.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

well after reading a zillion "get a job" posts by the criminals.... ZD is offering what what you all need imo

[+] -5 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Zen I nothing less than a Marxist revolutionary incognito. Open your eyes dipshit. Zen is an angry lonely boy hiding in his mommys basement.

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[-] -3 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Your mind is seriously fucked guy.

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[-] -2 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

I guess we better start with Reid, Pelosi, and Obama. Then we can go to all of the pricks that pass bills without reading them. One by one justice for all.

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

FU 2

ZD is starting a business exposing you idiots... that is not Marxist dumbass

[-] -1 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Goody goody gumdrops for ZD and his capitalist endeavor and his 13 year old follower BradB.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sorry you feel that way. ZD has a very pronounced confrontational style, but that does not make his postings wrong, just passionate. He gives lots of good educational material ( food for thought ) that can be fact checked and considered by anyone/everyone. I wish we had more dedicated individuals like ZD.