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Retribution Against the Financial Elite!

#RiseUpNY Actions for a Living Wage

Posted 1 year ago on July 24, 2012, 5:24 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Tags: live updates, action, nyc

Workers rising banner

Live Updates (Eastern Time)

  • 5:25pm: Interfaith clergy for economic justice getting ready to speak and crowds are still pouring in to Union Square. Huge turnout so far. If you are in New York, it isn't too late to head there now! In Chicago, the teachers union is picketing the school district while preparing for the #RaiseTheWage rally.
  • 6:00pm: Labor leaders giving shout-outs to #OWS, saying "we are car wash, airport, supermarket, laundry, retail, ConEd and restaurant workers - and we are all together! We are the 99%!" Meanwhile in Philly, Occupy Philadelphia reports: "The livable wage rally is currently occupying The Gallery." (Photos below)
  • 6:30pm: Massive cheers echo in Manhattan as TWU (the transit workers union) joins the lively march of thousands on way to ConEd to support locked out workers there.
  • 7:15pm: NYPD are keeping the demo at ConEd HQ penned in behind barricades; undeterred, the coalition of union labor and low-wage workers continues to make tons of noise. Despite the demo having a permit, NYPD spotted with riot gear and flexi-cuffs around the corner.
  • 7:45pm: Marchers headed to various area car washes to demand owners stop stealing wages from workers, and to Capital Grille to protest wage theft and discrimination. Tons of photos from the march added below the cut! Check back later for even more. What an amazing day of actions!

Full schedule of the day and the 99 Pickets actions
More background info
Chicago is also marching to raise the minimum wage today at 4:30pm Central Time.

Why are we marching today? For one, Obama promised during his campaign to raise the minimum wage each year after he took office. He has yet to do it even once. In every state in the United States, it is literally impossible to afford rent while working minimum wage even if you have a full time job. The minimum wage has been increased only 3 times in the last thirty years – not even enough to account for inflation.

It is time: We demand a living wage now! Here are a few more facts about the minimum wage, also courtesy of NY Workers Rising:

  • Over the past 10 years the minimum wage has remained stagnant while CEO pay has increased by 725%
  • Minimum wage jobs are the fastest growing sector in New York, with the number of workers being paid minimum wage increasing ten-fold over the past five years to 91,000.
  • 66% of Car Wash workers interviewed reported receiving the legal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. Only 5 workers reported being paid the difference if their tips and salary didn’t amount to $7.25 per hour.
  • Over 55% of those earning less than $8.50/hour statewide and 58% of those earning less than $8.50 per hour upstate are female.
  • In New York State, approximately 487,000 women would be guaranteed to get a raise if the minimum wage were to be increased to $8.50 per hour.
  • In New York City, 78% of those earning less than $8.50 per hour are people of color.
  • Latino residents of New York City are the most likely to see an increase in pay, with nearly 49% of all Latino workers earning less than $8.50 per hour.
  • African Americans in New York City would be the second largest beneficiary of a higher minimum wage, with over 22% of African American residents making less than $8.50 per hour.
  • Even with two incomes, a family of 4 where both parents earn minimum wage, earns about $30,160 per year, assuming no time off. Not much about the $23,050 poverty line, especially if a family member gets sick and one person has to take time off.
  • Over 84% statewide and 92% in New York City of the residents making less than $8.50 an hour are 20 years of age or older.
  • New Yorkers ages 16-19 make up barely 16% of the statewide and 8% of the New York City workforce making less than $8.50 per hour.
  • Average estimated all-in costs (including tuition, room and board, books, personal expenses, transportation) for a SUNY student living on campus is $21,120. A student attending classes and working 20 hours per week would make merely $7,540. This guarantees that a student would require significant financial aid, if they were able to afford school at all.
  • The current pre-tax annual income of a worker earning minimum wage ($7.25) for a full-time (40 hours/week) job – assuming no time off – would provide $15,080.

Aerial shot of the large crowd gathered in Union Square
Union Square, today

More Union Square

Even More Union Square

banner: Gov Cuomo Doesn't Care About Union Workers

Occupy Wall Street Labor Alliance

Mock Wall St Bull painted like a golden calfe with False Idol written below it

"NYC Hotel Workers Support You"

Sign supporting retail workers

Make The Road coalition
Make the Road NY contingent

Hundreds of people trapped behind a police barricade
Marchers reinforce locked-out ConEd workers, as NYPD keeps them in a cage

Outside Capital Grille
Picket line outside Capital Grille protesting wage theft & discrimination

outside car wash
Picket outside car wash that pays workers below minimum wage

Marches in Philly
Philadelphia marched today too!

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[-] 4 points by franknicholasb1976 (68) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Bless you awesome people for showing up to support Con Edison workers. Con Edison is an electrical utility company for New York City that has just posted one of their highest earnings ever, their stock is through the roof (why a public utility is on the stock market is anyone's guess) and all upper levels of management got 20% raises .

Meanwhile they locked out 8,500 workers because the union simply said "no" to pay cuts, take backs in medical, and the removal of pensions. Again, this is from a company that is profiting incredibly; not a company that has fallen on hard times. It's corporate greed in its purist form.

Thank you, OWS, for being there.

[-] 3 points by franknicholasb1976 (68) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Also I forgot to mention there's a decent number of Con Edison workers (some who wrote into the Daily News) that said they used to be die-hard republicans and now they know how wrong they were, and even they appreciate OWS now. It's sad it took them being impacted for them to realize it, but you guys really are getting through to people. I personally thank every OWS person I see there with a handshake, and anyone playing music I throw a few bucks to if they have a bucket. You guys rock and give New York City hope that though the rest of the country is going down the tubes, there's still some safe places left (Iike good old New York City).

[-] 3 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Occupy wins hearts and minds every time it stands and fights alongside the workers and the poor.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Agreed. We must continue standing with as many progressive grups who share our agenda.

It's the only way to engage the most powerful evil the world has ever known (1% plutocrats)

Too dramatic? Sorry. Too much caffeine this mornin'.

[-] 0 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Not too dramatic for me. Occupy might have got hee a few years late but it's here.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It really is intense. And the resistence by the 1% and their repub tools is greater than ever. I think they realize that their days are numbered. We are at a turning point. If we can get more progressives in office we will speed up the progress.

If we let the right wing steal elections we could see a generation lost.

It's now or never.

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[-] 0 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 1 year ago

I was a die hard republican also and now realize how wrong I was about government. It's great to watch others wake up now.

Don't let them wake up with the illusion that the Democratic Party is on their side. The battle is against the corporations and the establishment democrats will not help us because they are dependent on them.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Repubs proudly trumpet the conservative policies that benefit the 1% plutocrats. Some Dems always betray progressive principles and vote for the same conservative policies. But not all.

We can drag enough Dems back from the right and make them serve the 99%.

Republicans ARE the problem.

Elect progressives.

[-] 1 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 1 year ago

Maybe you're right but it doesn't seem that way to me. We will be unable to drag the Dems back until we win the battle against the corporations. The Dems do say the right things, but they don't accomplish anything and they want us to believe it's because of the republicans preventing them, but it's because of the corporations.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The Dems have accomplished things! Health care reform, fin reform, cutting military budget. cutting mercenary use, Green tech/infrastructure investment, increased Pell grants, removed banks from student loan business, And much much more. All watered down by repubs.

You are right corps (using the repubs) have prevented much progress. But we have made slow progress in the face of the most massive effort against our agenda.

The Pres/Dems cannot do anything if we are not supporting them. We must vote out conservative pro plutocrat republican.

Elect progressives.

[-] 1 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 1 year ago

If it were only that simple, I would agree. Corps are "In Power" in our country, and the establishment Dems are part of the Corps.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Corps are squealin about these small steps of progress. That should be enough measure to recognize who is pushing the right agenda.

Corps are giving most of their money to repubs who have promised to repeal these small steps of progress.

dems can't succeed without us recognizing the truth about who is making the effort to improve the lives of the 99%. We can't succeed if we give up, and stop protesting.

"Agitate, Agitate, Agitate" FD

[-] 1 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 1 year ago

It all appears like a, "show", to me because the results seem to always favor the Corps. Small steps are just part of the show. Agitate is something I can agree with.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Agitate to improve the small progress we have made.

The 1% plutocrats have so much control that change can ONLY be accomplished with slow progress.

No one gives up power/money without a fight.

If we give up because progress is slow, or because we don't get everything we want immediately then the 1% plutocrats strategy of obstructing progress will have served it's purpose. They will have won.

Real change will take years! Are we gonna give up 'cause Pres Obama didn't find the magic light switch that undoes everything.

c'mon we can't be the stereotypical spoiled suburban people with the well evolved sense of entitlement the world thinks we are.

It's called a struggle for a reason. 2 steps forward, one step back.

[-] 1 points by bettydonnelly (115) 1 year ago

Tell that to the Egyptians.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I hope the egyptians get outfrom the military yoke we have supported for decades.

Hasn't happened yet, but they are working on it.

Do you see some parallel? What point are you makin.?

Peace

[-] 1 points by bettydonnelly (115) 1 year ago

I am not for waiting, till this country goes down the drain slowly. The Egyptians got rid of Mubarak in 18 days. We need a similar revolution here. Thats my point. Time for the Oligarchs and Plutocrats to go. I am not smart enough to suggest how to do that. I just know it has to be done.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I want that too. I am also noy smart enough to suggest how to do it. forums like this have the potential to have solutions "bubble up". The founders of OWS will come to consensus on a direction/strategy to achieve "direct democracy" which has great potential.

Meanwhile I will protest/agitate for change that helps the 99%, and vote for candidates I think will do the same.

How about you?

[-] 1 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 1 year ago

Unfortunately, I believe your approach will result in us losing the battle. The struggle is bigger than you believe, and time is running out on our way of life, our civilisation itself.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok. Then you have given up.? Is the world gonna end for us.?

Extinction upon us.?

[-] 1 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 1 year ago

Possibly but I'm not ready to stick my head in the sand. The Corps are "In Power" in this country and will consolidate this power if they're allowed. Our purpose is to explain the correct problem, the Corps, not the repubs, to everyone.

Attempts to drag the Dems to help us is the wrong approach. When we have enough power, they will come to us and ask what we want them to do.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Exactly. Now you got it.

Solidarity

Elect progressive. Vote out pro plutocrat republicans

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oohh. very good. Let me know when you get all that power to bring the politicians to us.

I'm with you. That sounds like a great plan. Should we bring people to the movement by telling them civilization is over?

I don't know how attractive that is.

[-] 0 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 1 year ago

Let's tell them there's still time if we use democracy now.

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[-] 0 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Brings me back to remembering the days when I was in Lyndon Boy Johnson's army of the drafted.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Tough times. You are literally a soldier. Thanks for your service.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The most shameful time of my life was when I wore that uniform in public while others in the same uniform were murdering the peoples of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia under the Democrat Lyndon Boy.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Anti communist, military industrial complex, lying generals, murderous policy, LBJ. A disgrace.

We are not there anymore. We must stop the drone bombings, they do not compare to what we did in Vietnam but it's still wrong.

Peace

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The drone bombings nd spying are pretty horrible. You and I can be sure of one thing- we don't know the half of them.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Probably true but we have heard about thousands. Hearing about so many in and of itself is unusual. thats the kind of thing the govt doesn't talk about much.

I think we can thank the internet & cell phone cameras for any transparency we have on this issue. And with all that we hear of I am sure we don't hear everything.

[-] 0 points by bearclaw (-152) 1 year ago

congress is the problem and they all need replaced

[-] 1 points by bettydonnelly (115) 1 year ago

Right starting with Obama. What a choice Mr 1 % and the lame ass we have in the WH.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Who do you suggest replace him?

[-] 2 points by bettydonnelly (115) 1 year ago

Ralph Nader.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the vice president

[-] -1 points by bearclaw (-152) 1 year ago

got that right

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Republican ARE the problem.

Elect progressives

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Good luck with the strike. Haven't heard of any negotiations lately. Anything happening?

[-] 3 points by franknicholasb1976 (68) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

As of today, the company is refusing to budge. Keep in mind, this is not a strike, they locked all the employees out.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

My apologize you are of course absolutely correct. And I know full well it is a lockout. I also think it should be illegal to lock out workers. Especially when mgmt then refuses to negotiate honestly. Clearly they are trying to bust the union.

Much luck. I've been there and will again.

Power to the people.

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[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20422) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I say take the protests right straight to the homes of the company leadership.

I say put a human face on this unbounded greed. Let us see its appearance in the flesh.

Then, I say, make the utilities public entities.

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[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 1 year ago

I have worked alongside Con Ed workers for many years on the 'boats.' I have broken bread with you guys, laughed, shared stories about family life, and despaired with you while at Con Ed Ravenswood on 9/11, and I will be proud to stand with you in your struggle when I return from visiting family in AK. That's a promise.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

By Ralph Nader - During the 2008 campaign, presidential candidate Barack Obama made a pledge to raise the minimum wage to $9.50 per hour by 2011. Promises like this one inspired a generation of young voters, excited long-neglected progressive voters and gave hope to millions of his supporters across the country.

President Obama ran a campaign of soaring rhetoric and uplifting ideas. Amidst two unpopular wars, a rapidly deteriorating financial crisis and the wildly unpopular presidency of George W. Bush, Americans were desperate for a change. He was viewed as a “transformational” candidate, a president who would turn the page on the stagnant politics of Washington.

It is now four years later, and there has been no increase to the minimum wage. There has been no congressional vote, much less a whisper from the White House on the minimum wage.

See the rest here:

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/24/where-is-obamas-promised-minimum-wage-hike/

See Obama on video make the pledge to raise the minimum wage here:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/as-candidate-obama-promised-to-raise-the-minimum

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It's true he broke the promise you allege. He (and all pols) should be chastised for the failure to help the low income americans struggling during this repub created "great recession".

I would simply remind you that it is always and only Dems who have pushed the few min wage increases we've seen. It is always repubs who resist any and all minimum wage increases.

It is repubs who prevented the passage of minimum wage increase in the last 3 years as well.

Support Low income workers. Vote out anti minimum wage republicans

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Let us all support a "living wage" for "ALL".

Healthy for the individual and Healthy for the Economy.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I agree. Living wage, pegged to the inflation rate!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Absolutely - it makes no sense to let wages fall behind costs.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

That would be big. Since it would remove the need to constantly fight for a crumb of an increase.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

True - then perhaps people could stop stressing about work and put some needed energy and attention into their families, communities,world and actually living life.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Maybe even work less hours to expand valuable attention to fam/comm.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That also - and maybe we would see a reduction in murder suicides as the economic stress level is reduced. Maybe we would see a reduction in all crime " if people were able to be employed " and that employment at an actual living wage.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We most certainly would. Then maybe even eventually see a weaker argument for arming everyone to the teeth. (off topic I know, Jes' sayin')

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is a related issue - in that the violence is part of the sick society/economy.

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007 - It was introduced into the House on January 5, 2007, by George Miller (D-CA) and it was passed by the House on January 10. All 233 House Democrats voted "Aye," and 82 Republicans joined them. 116 Republican representatives voted "No," and 4 representatives did not vote. President Bush advised that the bill should include tax cuts for small businesses that could be harmed by the wage increase, and on January 24, 2007, a cloture motion in the Senate failed as 43 Republican Senators (all but 5) rejected the bill without the tax cuts, opposing all 47 Democrats who were present for the vote. Once tax cuts were added to the bill, the Senate passed the amended bill 94-3 (3 Republicans opposed and 1 did not vote; 2 Democrats did not vote) on February 1, 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Minimum_Wage_Act_of_2007

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Sounds like you make my point.

Can it be we are in agreement.? Dems want to help low income workers. Repubs want to help corps.

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

82 Reps (41%) voted for it even without tax breaks for small business.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Huh?

YEAH 60% voted against helping low income workers. You thank its meaningful that 41% voted for it? How many were northeasterners. They sometimes vote more moderate because their constituents are more moderate. (back then anyway). How many did so because they new it would fail anyway.

41% ain't enough. It means a big majority of repubs voted against help for low income workers.

You made my point.

Republicans ARE the problem.

Look at the taxes repubs want to raise.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/tax-increases-republicans-want-republican-are-the-/

[-] 3 points by bettydonnelly (115) 1 year ago

How about a Maximum Wage of 100 times the Median wage in the USA. That would be 5 Million a year. Is there any one who really could not live on 5 Mil / year ? Just a thought.

[-] 1 points by bettydonnelly (115) 1 year ago

I should have said average average family income. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The median wage is closer to $26,000.

"By definition, 50 percent of wage earners had net compensation less than or equal to the median wage, which is estimated to be $26,363.55 for 2010."

http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2010

[-] 2 points by bizen (7) from Aitona, CT 1 year ago

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iKE8HXpC6I&feature=BFa&list=FLN4Fq35pfmBdrNEPrYbn-hw

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[-] 2 points by primitivetimes (73) 1 year ago

This is one of the key issues with huge potential for Occupy, though I think we need to take it a step further and encourage minimum wage workers to strike. Occupy must regain its credibility, then it can raise money to cover worker's lost wages if they choose to strike. Imagine whole crews of McDonald's workers not showing up, unexpectedly, all over the country. That would get the 1% and everyone else's attention more than protests which eventually die down.

http://www.primitivetimes.com/2012/occupying-the-national-gathering-the-ideas-in-my-spiral-notebook/

[-] 2 points by tedscrat70 (-35) 1 year ago

Who and what determines a living wage? How and who would pay for it?

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 1 year ago

There are statisticians who look at the costs of housing, food, etc. and have figured out what constitutes a living wage.

http://livingwage.mit.edu/places/3606151000

As for where it should come from:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/at-least-21-trillion-dollars-is-hidden-worldwide-b/

IT is suggested that just as people accused of drug crimes have all their worldly possessions taken away the same should apply to these criminals too.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/about-the-21-trillion-the-one-percenters-hide-from/

[-] -1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The average dollar amount of goods and services produced per employee is about $100,000 a year. A bit higher if you calculate by number hours worked.

As of 2010, 75 million people, 50% of the 150 million person workforce were making $26,000 a year, most much less. Anywhere from $7.25 to $12.50 an hour. They take just 1/7 to 1/4 share of the wealth they help produce. Somebody else gets the rest of their share.

"Who and what determines a living wage?"

The people who work for minimum wage. I don't think any would agree that $7.25 an hour is a living wage.

The minimum wage should be at least 25% of GDP per person. About $12.50 an hour. Raised in 1$ an hour increments over the next 5 years.

"How and who would pay for it?"

They have earned it. Take it back from those that stole it. The only reason that rich people are rich is because they have convinced the poor they deserve to be poor. What they settle for is what they receive.

http://lanekenworthy.net/2010/07/20/the-best-inequality-graph-updated/

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[-] 1 points by 99oneofus99 (20) 1 year ago

How about finding a different job. There are millions of openings.

[-] 1 points by bizen (7) from Aitona, CT 1 year ago

Note: If you want to traslated the video (Ocupa el Congreso) in english language, you can click below in CC button and to chose "Español (transcrito)" option. After you must click in "Traducir subtitulos (beta)" and to chose "Inglés" from the list. The traslation isn't very good but you can understand the missage..sorry and thank's

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

And the conservatives think that these low wage workers don't pay enough taxes. These are the same dirtbags who say they are against any tax increase.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505

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[-] 0 points by sufinaga (513) 1 year ago

"interfaith clergy" for economic justice! total BS. conversion is bullying. the gospel is a money shark scam. how many minimum wage earners are paying tithes to their pastors? putting an image of a man nailed to a cross into children's minds is CHILD ABUSE. telling children their mothers and fathers are sinners is GROOMING. this doctrine of original sin is used to break up the native tribes and is being used by clergy among us to break up our community! looking down on us as sinners. we do not need their crap. the INTENT of the virgin birth is to mask the barbaric human sacrifice. the INTENT of the resurrection is to jerk you off with a "happy ending"! the "clergy" are here recruiting for their communities. they are here to break up our community! WE ARE THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. not jesus. jesus christ is a curse in our community. the crucified jew is RACIST ABOMINATION. christianity is a roman invention: a HORROR story to frighten the slaves(on minimum wage?) the GORY VIOLENCE of the crucifixion. the ZOMBIE rising from the dead. the CANNIBAL eating dead jesus. the VAMPIRE drinking dead jesus's blood. christians relive this garbage at every service! so why are we tolerating "interfaith clergy" among us!

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

A living wage is a humane wage. No one in this country should work full-time and be unable to pay for the basic necessities of life. That is shameful and it is time for economic fairness for all Americans, not just the wealthy and corporations.

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[-] 0 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

"No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable. It is but equity, besides, that they who feed, clothe and lodge the whole body of the people, should have such a share of the produce of their own labour as to be themselves tolerably well fed, cloathed and lodged." (Adam Smith, "Wealth Of Nations", Bk 1, Chapter 8, 1776) & ...

"This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and powerful, and to despise or, at least, neglect persons of poor and mean conditions ... is .. the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments." (Adam Smith, "The Theory Of Moral Sentiments", 1759)

Thanx again 'bw', for your effusive heart-centred commentaries.

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] -2 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

What great quotes and links. Thanks. And, I can't help but wonder what it feels like to veto a living wage as Bloomberg did. Geesh!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

You can "wonder" all you like 'bw' but you'll never get it, I don't think - because you have a natural born empathic human heart and a gracious and compassionate nature, whereas Bloomberg ...

ad iudicium !

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

LOL, thanks.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

You know, even "LOL"ier is the fact that your clearly heart-centred comments have gone from at least +9 at one point to +1 as i type this !!!

Observe : [ 6 points by beautifulworld (6965) 18 hours ago : A living wage is a humane wage. No one in this country should work full-time and be unable to pay for the basic necessities of life. That is shameful and it is time for economic fairness for all Americans, not just the wealthy and corporations. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink ] !!

When you are the recipient of such concerted down voting, be absolutely assured that you are doing something very right indeed ! Keep up the good work 'bw' & the very best wishes with all that you do and wherever you do it !

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

Thanks for the kind words. Many of us here get down-voted for supporting the masses of humanity that our economic system has left out in the cold. It doesn't matter about the points, but it sure does matter where these down-voting folks' heads and hearts are at.

And, thanks to you too, Shadz, for all you do here.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20422) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I just got you out of negative territory - for how long is impossible to say.

Keep up the great work!

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

Thanks, ZenDog. You too. It's so great that you're back and you've stayed!!

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20422) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

It's only been a couple of days - I may go off doing other stuff any second

LoL!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

A living wage is not only Humane - it is economically sound/healthy.

Prosperity for all.

BTW - Tweeted this post.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Slightly off topic but - I wonder if poverty stricken areas of the USA can apply to the UN for Aid?

I wonder if environmentally devastated areas of the USA could apply for UN aid?

I wonder if areas experiencing police repression suppression brutality abuse - can apply to the UN for protection.

This is not a serious thought ( applying for aid ) but what would a protest at the UN asking for aid and protection from our government the police and the corpoRATions look like to the World audience.

[-] -3 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

Good point, re: the economic soundness of a living wage.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

How can that basic fact escape so many peoples notice.

OH - well we continue on with education outreach and opening eyes.

[-] -1 points by sadierebelle (43) 1 year ago

Hell yes! (And not just for Americans, either -- we want it for everyone!)

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

Absolutely. Workers of all countries, unite!

[-] -1 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

Exactly, worldwide. All of humanity.

[-] -2 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6276) 1 year ago

Hear, hear.

Better wages and rights for all workers...and eventually: workers' takeover of industry.

Occupy your Workplace: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jRy5ZIYZok&feature=plcp

[-] -1 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

Great video. Thanks.

[-] -2 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6276) 1 year ago

Glad you liked it:)