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Retribution Against the Financial Elite!

Stop The Spectra Pipeline | Meet-Up at Liberty Square at 5 P.M. For Die-In at P.S. 41

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 2:15 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

OWS is fighting to strengthen democracy, and to end the domination of big money interests. Fracking is a clear example of how the power of money trumps common sense and controls our democracy. Fracking is incredibly destructive to the environment and human health.

On Thursday, October 20th at five in the afternoon the residents of Liberty Square will march to the FERC hearing on the Spectra Pipeline at P.S. 41, located at 116 West 11th Street (between 6th and 7th avenues).

Shortly before the hearings begin at seven in the evening we will stage a die-in to illustrate the likely results of this disasterous proposal by a disreputable corporation intent on infecting our drinking water with by-products from fracking. After the die-in members of #ows will enter the hearing and respectfully engage in participatory direct action against this catastrophic project.

Do not let the destruction and death that occured due to corporate negligence in San Bruno, California last year happen in the West Village.

Come and speak for #ows, come and speak for yourself. We will see you there.

Submit comments to FERC online or by mail prior to Oct. 31st if you cannot attend the hearing

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[-] 8 points by 2e3man (10) from Torsby Municipality, Värmland 2 years ago

Media calls it a movement without demands! They shiver in their pants to think of a movement demanding the end of the rule of the 1%! What greater demand than this?! no movement in America ever had a more realistic demand than this! No demends are actually a meaningfull demand under the shadow of the 1%. All rights evaporates where they rule! MOVE ON! History is on OUR side!

[-] 3 points by danielOWS (32) 2 years ago

exactly!

[-] 2 points by DianaLee (55) from Salt Lake City, UT 2 years ago

I absolutely agree. The demand for demands is an invitation to failure!

[-] 1 points by tsdevi (307) 2 years ago

I agree, but it is also because this is, typically, the reason for mass protest. For example, in Costa Rica, citizens marched against the ratification of CAFTA. Here in the U.S. we are a different beast, with a government not as responsive to Democratic influences as other countries. This movement, OWS, is not new, it is evidence of the final straw...and they keep packing the barrels of hay on to our backs. More free trade agreements, more aid to state building, more money spent on warfare...who will stop the buck?

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i agree tsdevi. final straw. the buck must stop. we are dealing with sick people in positions of power. self-proclaimed "elite." their lack of respect, empathy, consciousness, responsiveness is maddening and infuriating! ENOUGH!!!

[-] 1 points by DianaLee (55) from Salt Lake City, UT 2 years ago

Good points. This morning the NY Times was full of articles about the Arab Spring, the fall of dictators and bringing of democracy to the Middle East. Hmm, I smiled to myself--what does that say about America, the land of the brave and home of the free?

[-] 1 points by protest (43) 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by Danimal (9) from Leeuwarden, FR 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by tiredGeorge (1) 2 years ago

Please watch this video that elegantly shows the hypocrisy of the world we live in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtNO91sVlYU&feature=mh_lolz&list=FLeo5AGotBX%20xzTMI9iKHo73g

[-] 1 points by larocks (414) from Lexington, KY 2 years ago

agreed.

[-] 1 points by nyangeloxo (52) 2 years ago

Amen!!!!!!!!!!! <3

[-] 1 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

Here Here!

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Whos' history are you referring to here. Take a great example:

There was a great outcry from a few in this country promoting ethanol. they got their government subsidies and the garbage bag that goes with it. The results:

01 Corn being planted on land that never was planted to corn before. Land that does not have the water to support corn growing. Just an example of the greed that exists due to a very bad decision to go after ethanol as our savior from them big bad oil guys.

. 02 Huge jumps in the price of food in the USA. 75% or more of the food we eat involves some type of corn in the production. 03. Huge profits for big companies Production of corn is a petroleum consuming venture

. Huge amount in fertilizers, ground preparation, chemicals, harvesting, transport, processing, delivery.. 04 Continued competition for our food source, vs production of ethanol. 05 This was one of the biggest loosing fiascos ever fostered upon this nation. And the decision came due to pressure from "the people"

How retarded to be have to be before we realize that all deals like this have consequences not to necessary the best ones and definitely not ones that we can see.

AND IS THIS HISTORY YOU REFER TO???

Just sign me a midwest farm kid - born and raised.

[-] 0 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

Randomly what do you plan to do when the corps who build all the convinces stop making them? When the pharmacy company's stop making peoples medication? You know when the people who actually bothered to learn this stuff to make money, stop doing it? Have you actually ever considered what the world would really look like when corps fail? I know the people my company supports will be a lot worse off when I shut down my company because it's not worth my time to work. Will you guys be happy then? What about when the heating company's stop working 18 hour days because there's no money it it? Do you people honestly think people will keep these companies running out of sheer goodwill alone? (This is ignoring the continual butchering off the 1% statistic of course)

[-] 1 points by DavesEggCreams (1) from Needham, MA 2 years ago

I am small business owner with 30+ of experience in all levels of management from startup to Fortune 1000. Your question is contains a false assumption. It is like asserting that if there were no more rapes, the human race would die out from cessation of procreation. Businesses are the lifeblood of society and capitalism a very efficient way of allocating scarce resources. The problem is that the 1% have corrupted corporate management and political democracy.

The Spectra Pipeline is a perfect illustration. It is not an efficient way to deliver energy resources to Manhattan. It is a rape. A rape of natural resources. A rape of democracy. A rape of the environment. In a democratic system, it would be evaluated on its merits and fail. In the current system it will be rammed through by 1% interests that have corrupted and co-opted the system designed to protect the public interest.

[-] 1 points by pleasenocalls (1) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Businesses do not need to be organized the way they currently are to foster innovation and provide services. No one thinks companies will keep running "out of sheer goodwill alone". The market has clearly failed to allocate resources equitably in this late stage of capitalism and alternate modes of organization and labor can better meet the actual needs of people/consumers rather than shareholders and CEO's. Pharmaceutical companies, to use your example, are now great at R&D to create extremely profitable drugs, but pursue these over drugs that would create the most human benefit. Capitalism should be credited for advancing us as far as it could, but it's time for something new.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

And we are all here holding our breath. Would someone with a few smarts please get to the point so that we can move on. What is that "something new" that we all are so hyped up about. And don't tell me that it will evolve as time goes along - because you are not allowing anything a lot of time here - it seems be of the utmost urgency to tear down and rebuild yet today.

How do you plan to replace and with what do you plan to replace: 01. Business organization 02. Market failure 03. Alternate modes of organization and labor 04. Profit If these things are all broken completely, somebody better get a real hustle on and come up with some acceptable solutions before we all crash into a heap of name calling, idealess, morons.

[-] 1 points by RedFoxGaia (6) 2 years ago

The PERSONAL pharmacist was very good at their job before corporations took it over and was also responsible when something went wrong, like if people die, now corporations maim & kill people with negligible responsibility for their actions. You asked about Corporate Pharmacies, I would prefer someone smaller and more responsible, thank you, but then I would prefer my sister to "oops we forgot to report some minor side effects like death"

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

I agree about the smaller pharmacies. When I was growing up in the 70s, my family went to a local mom-and-pop pharmacy near our house. There were no CVSs, Walgreens, or anything like that then. I really enjoyed going to that pharmacy, and so did my parents. We got to know the owners. The relationships you can build with mom-and-pop places are great, and that doesn't happen in franchised businesses. Those personal relationships help those who work in such places be more caring about and accountable for what they do.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

YES IT DOES.

I have been going to the pharmacy in a food chain (the largest in the nation) for many years. I know the pharmacist, he knows me, we see each other at other locations and chat. I have any questions, he has the answers.

I grew up in the 70's and before that too and had the same experience with the Mom-Pop operations. However, I am not above thinking that I can be friendly, make the first move if necessary, extend a hand of friendship. It really doesn't make a lot of difference where you live - you gotta be a friend to have a friend.

We bought groceries, pop, ice cream, got a haircut, bought gas for the cars, a hoe and rake to work the garden, fresh cut meat, and bananas by the bunch all at the same little store on the corner. Had one competitor across the street but no haircuts there.

Does his sound like WalMart today. Just because we are no longer an agrarian society with a few hundred million more people than back then doesn't mean that we can't b e friendly and know the manager of WalMart - or does it. We would have to put forth a little more effort on our part. Met the Manager of the big food store and his wife this past week when they came into our Mom-Pop store . Found our that I had done business with them about 10 years ago when they lived in our town. That guy is doing great - a good man, very friendly and set up to do a good job for and with that company. Know they are proud of him - I sure am.

WalMart came to our town a long time ago and built a second store a few years ago. Then Home Depot and Lowe's showed up. Everyone was all about doom and gloom,predicting the demise of our four locally owned lumber yards. And guess what - three of them survived quite well thank you. They just individually changed their business plans, who they directed their business to etc. The other guy griped about the big guys until his last customer left.

[-] 0 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

And i'm sure that personal pharmacist didn't make a handsome profit no? I'm also sure that personal pharmacists didn't come out with nearly as many medical breakthroughs as corporate pharmacies have. Or have we forgot that these people spend billions on medical science, yes with the goal to make money but the breakthroughs are there none the less.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Are pharmacists the ones who do the research? No.... they aren't.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Better give us a better explanation of who the research is being done by then. If it is a bunch of high school drop out crack heads, we got a really big problem. No wonder that thousands of people die at the hand of these big pham companies.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Your comment... "If it is a bunch of high school drop out crack heads, we got a really big problem. No wonder that thousands of people die at the hand of these big pham companies" is completely ridiculous and is a typical negative, uninformed, biased, bullshit statement.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

A pharmacologist or a pharmaceutical research scientist is the one who researches pharmaceuticals and develops them, while a pharmacist typically doesn't and is involved with dispensing the pharmaceuticals that have been developed, tested, and approved. There's a big difference in what they do and in their educational requirements. The pharmacologist is the one who combines chemicals in order to make pharmaceuticals out of them. The pharmacist is the one who dispenses those pharmaceuticals.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Thank you for that information. I respect your intelligence and the time you took to explain to all of us that difference.

I still feel like bullshit, but sincerely, thank you anyway.

[-] 1 points by RedFoxGaia (6) 2 years ago

How much of that research is SUBSIDIZED by the government? ... ‎"True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made." ~ F.D. R. "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power." ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

I DON'T KNOW, PLEASE INFORM ME.

I do know that polio was pretty much dealt a death blow thanks to the d imes thrown into a blanket held by four high school kids walking around the gym between the girls and boys games. This went on for many years and took a lot of dimes - but we succeeded.

I do understand that the federal government is subsidizing a lot of cancer research today. Quite a bit of this is being done in our universities and our teaching-research hospitals. Wish we could do it with our dimes - but afraid we don't have enough this time - this is a real challenge to mankind.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i am not impressed by big-pharma at all.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Maybe they just don't exist to impress.

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

Not so handsom that they could live in a mansion and buy off senators to support their practices.

Its a matter of degrees.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Exactly!!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

right on!

[-] 0 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

So its a matter of "there greedier than me, so it's wrong"? What makes your distinction of the limit more important than say mine or that banker on wall street?

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

Didn't say any of that. The problem is one of power and how it is used.

Your attempt to mischaracterize another's statements is a problem. And you aren't likely to convince anyone of your views that way.

[-] 0 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

It's a matter of degrees hints towards you saying that. I may of interpreted it wrong. Please elaborate on the differences between a corporation earning billions, and a personal nurse earning tens of thousands. Other than the obvious ones a company and one is not and the scale (which you made quite clear you was not saying) . Or just on the statement at all.

Two sentence answers hardly gives me 100% true read of how you meant to imply a sentence.

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

What part of the ability to buy off senators do you not get?

So no it is not a matter of degrees. Not even close. There is a functional difference between the two levels of economic power we are talking about.

Lets spell it out even more clearly: - A neighborhood pharmacist earns enough to live comfortably. - A global corporation that happens to be in the drug business can buy off regulators and senators, and thus break laws with impunity - in addition to take more in profit.

Taking more in profit is only a secondary issue, and easy to be outraged by. BUT Its what those increased profits enable corporations to do that is the problem. To blame the corruption problem only on politicians is childish. You need to understand that its a systemic problem not a moral failing of a few individuals.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Not to mention, when the corporations make so much that they can buy off politicians, they end up doing things illegally and doing things that are harmful, as some others already have stated. A pharmacist in a neighborhood mom-and-pop pharmacy is not interested in that and does not do that.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

And a local thief never robs a 7-2-11 right. It is always someone from out of town maybe even Washington DC.

Should we not clean out our own house and our own neighborhood before we make too big a fool of ourselves by pointing fingers.

You do now that when that index finger is extended and shaken at someone along with a verbal thrashing - three fingers point to YOU

[-] 1 points by RedFoxGaia (6) 2 years ago

Hear Hear

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

well put.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

What I hear you saying is that today it takes a lot more to buy off a Senator than it did years ago, so the only ones that can afford to do so are the huge corporations.

But hasn't the single individual figured this out too. All you have to do is join a large union and you have the same power as the huge corporation. Check out the teacher unions, the AUW and on and on.

So a man who owns one restaurant is so far away from regulators and senators that he has no hope and no way to break laws with impunity.

Ever hear of restaurant inspectors, building inspectors, electrical inspectors. You are only fooling yourself into thinking that the only problem is with the big corporations.

The problem is with the nature of man (some men) to be evil. Does it really make it better for a single individual to pay off an inspector than for a corporation to pay off one.

Who is the governor of your state, the mayor of your city, your state representative. Are all of these folks above your law and perfect upright citizens.

If we have a systemic problem that indicates a need to start at the roots not the top of the tree and if it has infiltrated all levels of society, which I think it has, there are a lot more points of disease that what you are pointing out in the top 100. You may identify the problem as one between the senator and the corporation, they is fine - you are now what is called a specialist (not in a bad way).

But I think we need to also look at corruption at all levels and that is the responsibility of the family doctor (so to speak)

What disturbs me is the knee-jerk reaction to the problem involving sending in one fireman or a bunch of clowns with a bucket of water to douse a fire on the top story of a 50 story building.

Is there a chance that if the bottom 49 floors of this building were not full of corruption, that we might find a better way to fight this monster fire.

Corrupt senators are not being set to serve us in Washington by a sqeeky clean electorate are they. And if by chance one does get elected, why then do we continue to elect the same corruption over and over again. Could it have anything to do with getting that big pham corporation relocated to our state, our county, our town or maybe even on the 100 acres that I own at the edge of town.

Perhaps it is a moral failing of a country - and that means the end.

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

Thanks for the attempt Cato-lite.

[-] -1 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

You got me to thinking momo.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

FYI... It's "their" and not "there".

[-] 1 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

Thanks.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

yep

[-] 5 points by DonQuixot (231) 2 years ago

When will the rich stop poisoning the earth their children will live in? They do not love their children, they do not love anyone, only their money. Crazy people, addicted to the worst drug, money.

[-] 1 points by Alice (46) from Staten Island, NY 2 years ago

You must remember, many of the people throwing their money into this are about as under informed as the average joe on the street. There have been massive, high end ad campaigns, and PR campaigns to trick people into thinking this is safe. We need to start our own campaign of awareness! If investors only knew how crappy a shelf live these unsustainable gasses had, maybe they'd back out. The problem is that people just don't know! Take it upon yourself to make them know!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i highly doubt as well that they know a whole lot of love... i assume they don't realize what is missing, or perhaps that there even is anything missing. they must not understand love, and therefore do not hold it in high value. they come from families of sickness, imho, and continue it. these self proclaimed elites have so much $ they could build a biosphere on another planet and create a private protected ecosystem where the have quality air, water, organic food, etc... and they couild prolly afford to travel back n forth, and have their organic food, pure water, air, etc... shipped to them while they are here...

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

no not money. power. power is their addiction. (it's imho their kind of power is not real power, it is false power. the only real power is love. love is the highest power.) money is just their tool. their tool for population enslavement. they print it after all...

[-] 0 points by TruthInWyo (3) 2 years ago

To a homeless person, even a person of modest means is rich. Where do the comparisons stop?

[-] -1 points by lisaizonline (13) 2 years ago

Dramatic. Bet they donate to childrens' causes more than you, sir.

[-] 2 points by Olaf (2) from Denver, CO 2 years ago

Let's say an individual millionaire donated the money to house 10,000 needy kids. She's still part of a financial machine that put millions of children on the streets.

[-] 3 points by ShockSMH (18) 2 years ago

Not to mention, when you have a net worth in the millions, you can afford to donate/create funds/homes for needy kids, etc.

It reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman becomes filthy rich on a "crack baby fighting" business. He says something to the effect of "Great idea! We'll make 1,000,000$ but we'll spend 100,000$ to build a home for the crack babies and everyone will think we're doing the right thing!"

Don't let yourself be taken by this kind of nonsense. They give a little (what seems like a lot to us) to gain egregiously, and in fact, perpetuate the original problem. That's how this system works.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

that's right. it's for show... to propagate their illusion; a form of propaganda. they do some "good deed" to try to hide their criminality. they control media, and mainstream media focuses on what? the "good stuff" of course... to manipulate public opinion of them in their favor. it is all designed.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

It's the little people who donate what they can and volunteer because they truly care.

[-] 1 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

Wondering how many of you live on the bare minimum and giving ALL other cash to the poor. This means no tvs, cars, phones or anything otherwise your all hypocritical and your all greedy pawns in the capitalism machine.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

If someone is living on the bare minimum, then I highly doubt they have ANYTHING left over. What you're saying is so contradictory. And no one said that people and companies have to give up EVERYTHING, did they? My point is that it's people who have a little left over who donate things.... money, food, clothing, etc. and who volunteer and who do it because they actually care. They have nothing (nothing in the way of marketing, promotion, advertising) to gain by doing so, while companies have a lot to gain from contributing.... marketing, promotion, advertising. Why do you think people and companies who give a ton of money to a school, to a sports team, etc. put their names on that which they've donated to or that which the money goes toward? It's all about getting their names out there.

If someone truly cared about the charity they're giving a lot of money to and weren't doing it for their own selfish reasons, they wouldn't expect or wouldn't want their names on whatever materialistic item the money is going toward, because that is not their motivation. Why do you think baseball parks, which used to be named after baseball teams or something to do with the teams, now are named after the corporations that give them the most money? It's all a money game for marketing, promotion, and advertising.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

that's right, it's also about branding, as you said.

[-] 1 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

Err you might want to re-read what I said, I said "how many of you LIVE on the bare minimun" Not "how many of you get PAYED the bare minimun".

You get payed $20, the bare minimum you need for food, heating, water and housing is $5. The entirety of the other $15 can be given to charity. If even $1 of that $15 is spent on yourself for something you don't NEED then you are being greedy when a homeless person could use the $1. Do you see now? I'm not saying corps are not greedy or they are not only donating for advertisement they of course are. I'm saying so are the people. This is anti-capitalism and yet you all benefit from capitalism. If you sold your phone for $50 that could give someone a roof over there head for a day, if you don't you are being greedy and putting your own happiness first. All material things that are not NEEDED in your possession could be sold to help the poor and homeless yet most people don't do it, they love the idea but not the practice. I'm not saying this is the right thing, i'm just saying EVERYONE needs to look at them self' a bit.

People have made it quite clearly they expect people to give up everything for themselves when they made it clear they want to stop GREED.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

ok, first off, i do agree self-analysis is important for everyone. everyone would be better off assuming responsibility for what they are truly responsible for. one of the things though that i think you seem to not be acknowledging is that we are in a matrix. this is the paradigm we we're all born into. your example of the phone, for instance... well, given that we are still living in this system, a person who genuinely cares about being of service and helping others, and whom is also on a limited/limiting low income... even if they didn't want a phone, even if they'd rather sell it to provide a homeless person w/ some charity, they may feel they need that phone themselves to survive within the system that is in place; the way that it is and has been; the system that they were born into that is all they really know from experience... even if they don't agree with the system in place and would prefer to not participate in such a f'd up system, but rather to create their vision of their own life that doesn't fit into the enslavement of the addictive system that was designed for us by them... so naturally we experience in such a scenario cognitive dissonance. there is what we know, and there is our absolute frustration with this stifling matrix. There is the need to change. There is higher vision. There is also the need to survive... to survive here and now within what is, but also to make the necessary changes. I personally can not give away something even if I want to, to someone else who might also need it, if I myself need it to survive within this system the way that it is... even if I want and need this system to change. get my point? i am sure there are some things i can do and i do do to help others and be of service... and i want to do more to help others, always... and i will do more as i am able... as much as i can! i do my best and will continue to do so. if i was someone in a different position, i am sure i would do more of the things I want to do to help others... it's not like i don't think about all the things i wish i was capable of doing right now to help... and I am doing my best to position myself to be able to do so asap... i take on what i can one day at a time... yeah, and i always want to do more... i am also trying as i said to help myself. i am pretty sure there are plenty of others out there who could identify w/ me on this...

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

agreed

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

I disagree. I don't think it's greedy to want to spend a little money on yourself.... money that you've made by working.... especially if you donate to charity here and there.

Anyway, my point is that most corporations don't give money away for the good of it. They do it to promote themselves. What does THAT have to do with how much a person gives to charity out of what's left of their paychecks? I didn't say anything like all corporations should give every cent of their profits to charities, did I? My point is about WHY corporations donate money.

Also, corporations give a LOT of money away, because they have a lot of money.... and they get a big tax write-off for doing so.

When I donate food, clothing, money, and other items, I do so because I know it will benefit someone.... and I do this regularly.

Your comparison makes no sense at all.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

I totally agree with you.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Thanks.

[-] 1 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

Another quick question for curiosity sake. If a corporation did happen to donate a large sum of money out of there own goodness would you believe them anyway?

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

If they could convince me that they do it for that reason, then yes. I don't think that all people/companies do things like this out of greed. If you would've read what I wrote more carefully, you would've noticed I said "most corporations" and not "all corporations". I do know that there are people in corporations who spearhead volunteer activities and donations who really care about people and who truly want to help. There are plenty of people and groups within my own big corporation who do that regularly.

For example, several years ago, an employee started planting food gardens on land that our company owns in various areas.... where there are power substations. The land wasn't being used for anything, except for the substations to sit on. He got the idea to plant gardens there and to donate all food produced to local food shelves. This has grown from just 3 small gardens to well over 10 gardens throughout our area in Southeast Michigan. He gets people from our company and from other companies and local organizations to help make this happen, and it's hugely successful. He came up with the idea during the financial collapse of 2008. Now, many other companies are donating seeds, tools, supplies, etc. to help out.

I DO know that the people involved in this are ones who truly care about helping others be able to eat.

This is an example of someone within the company who isn't in top management who started a terrific thing. There are many other examples of this kind of charity within my company. My subsidiary (the employees and groups within it) is involved with continuous activities to raise money for charities. We do this because we care.

However, my point is about corporations as whole.... the ones at the top who decide to give money just to get the company's name out there to promote itself and to get huge tax write-offs. The example I gave above and the other things that our groups within the company do DO NOT get tax write-offs for our company. But, when huge corporations give out tons of money to support this or that, their main motivations are promotion and tax write-offs. It's the same reason they're willing to give a ton of money to help build a sports stadium.... because then they get to put their name on it. The modern day sports venues in the USA now are named after the companies that give the most money to build those venues. It wasn't like that in the past. I liked it the old way.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

depends on the corporation, their history, and wether it is really and truely genuine or not... they'd best be coming from that place if they are purporting to be... cuz i myself do have a bs detector that is turned on and seems to be pretty well functioning... and i am sure i am not the only one. anyway, yeah... i could believe them if it felt sincere, honest, of pure intent. people are NOT stupid. people are NOT sheep. (not that sheep are stupid either.) (people are also NOT little!!! We are MUCH bigger than the 1%. We are 99%!!! Oh, and the "Elite" are only self-proclaimed. I do not agree that they are superior in any way. Insecure, definitely.) people are also imho quite transparent, and it is possible to tell the difference between truth and lies. wisdom can come from within. (gut instinct, intuition, bs detector, etc...) there is also the matter of accurate truthful history... not the propaganda official story version of "history"... and sickness doesn't change over night. I like this quote: "U can fool some people some times... but you can't fool all the people all the time." All that said, making amends, real, true, sincere amends is possible. I wish tptb would be interested in 12 step work... for real!

[-] 1 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

Once again, I didn't defend corporations. In fact I agreed with you that corporations do it for the wrong reasons. Spending money on your self is pretty much the definition of greed. It's only the scales that are different.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

If someone enjoys a certain activity, and in order to enjoy that activity, they need to purchase some specific equipment.... do you consider that greed, because they've spent money on themselves? Do you consider spending money one oneself to do something they enjoy, such as traveling, greed?

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

I still disagree with you. As I said, spending a little on yourself isn't greed.

Here is the Dictinoary.com definition of greed:

greed   [greed] Show IPA noun excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.

Synonyms: avarice, avidity, cupidity, covetousness; voracity, ravenousness, rapacity. Greed, greediness denote an excessive, extreme desire for something, often more than one's proper share. Greed means avid desire for gain or wealth (unless some other application is indicated) and is definitely uncomplimentary in implication: His greed drove him to exploit his workers. Greediness, when unqualified, suggests a craving for food; it may, however, be applied to all avid desires, and need not be always uncomplimentary: greediness for knowledge, fame, praise.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

it would be difficult to be entirely free of greed as a human being within this addictive system that has been designed for our enslavement. we are not all fully enlightened beings yet. there is a difference between excessive greed and for example someone not having something they really want or feel they need (especially to survive or better yet, have quality of life within the addictive system; this matrix we are in...) and wanting it, rather than being entirely content with what you do have... as even that energy could be spent less selfishly. gratitude for our blessings- for all we do have... does help ease frustration, and attract more positivity. it helps shift from the 1/2 empty feeling to the 1/2 full feeling, which can free up more positive energy to do good things with... more productive, less selfish things... (I think I am taking about the difference between selfishness and greed. It is hard to be really greedy I think when you're essentially a "not-have" within the addictive system. By "not-have" I mean not having lots of money. I don't think all of the "haves" are greedy though either. I have a few friends who are haves. I don't think of them as greedy. I guess if I did, I wouldn't wanna be friends with them... I do sometimes feel that gap though... if I focus on it, I feel it. If I focus on other things though, we can really connect. I aim for connection. anyhow... I do agree that a person no matter how much money they have spending a little on themselves solvently is perfectly healthy.

[-] -1 points by lisaizonline (13) 2 years ago

judgemental

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

exactly

[-] -1 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

The machine that puts children in poverty is the social welfare state that makes slaves of people in order to buy their votes

[-] 1 points by DonQuixot (231) 2 years ago

May be, but they usually donate with OUR money, the money they legally steal from us through the laws their puppet politicians make to measure.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Most big companies donate to charities only to have their names up in lights. They don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Rather, they use it as another means of marketing and promotion.

[-] -1 points by lisaizonline (13) 2 years ago

judgmental

[-] 1 points by ShockSMH (18) 2 years ago

reality

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

No... it's the truth. It's the same as their corporate sponsorships. They sponsor things to get their names out there.

[-] 5 points by msuayan (13) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
Frederic Bastiat

[-] 3 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

agreed. thats certainly how the 1% works with our government.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

here! here!

[-] 1 points by Thisisthetime (200) from Kahlotus, WA 2 years ago

Exactly.

[-] 1 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

Great Quote!

[-] 4 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

The people effected by decisions should be the ones to make them,. not people that do not LIVE in the effected area/region,.

fracking is terribly stupid, and destructive.

[-] 2 points by JDub (218) 2 years ago

I guess we ran out of third world contries to destroy, so we started in our own backyards.Joy! lol

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

dark lol.

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

The manufactured financial crisis also at least circumstantially follows a similar pattern. South America kicked out the IMF and World Bank. And then ... woah ... look at these calls for austerity and adjustments of credit by the corrupt ratings agencies like S&P.

Its hard to back this up since it is just circumstantial, but the pattern is surprising. The policies proposed (austerity) are also similar.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

so true

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

agreed.

[-] 0 points by lisaizonline (13) 2 years ago

agreed

[-] 4 points by DCOOOPER (6) 2 years ago

I would like to see all politicians that have ever voted for any bill that has grated retro active immunity from prosecution to be held for conspiracy against the people. No private citizen has ever been grated Retro Active immunity, We the people need to feel that corporations and politicians and governmental agency's will be held to the same standards of the law as the average citizen is held too when laws are broken. Repeal all bills that have ever granted Retro Active Immunity.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

absolutely dcooper!

[-] 3 points by jwhirsch84 (6) 2 years ago

My town in CO just yesterday suffered an announcement that an oil well will now be using fracking. Not even the county commissioner was notified directly! This is bull shit! It is clear that corporate interests, in this case a texas-based oil company, can do whatever they please without consulting the people being affected, since they have bought the right to do so. IE, our "representatives." Not taking this one sitting down...

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

get a good lawyer advocate! u and your county can fight this and win! bless you all with protection!

[-] 3 points by Trumpeter (24) 2 years ago

Congress blocked a portion of the Jobs Bill that would have created 400,000 jobs without adding to the deficit.

W T F. Screw it. THEY are waging a class war. We need to FIGHT back.

[-] 3 points by SaRaIam (105) 2 years ago

Glad to see such a good turn out at the hearing tonight. It is outrageous that the pipeline has gotten this far with so few residents even being aware of it. Thanks for putting up on the site!! YAY for OWS!!!

[-] 3 points by Alice (46) from Staten Island, NY 2 years ago

Shit, I would've come if I've known. As a horticulturalist I can fully appreciate the impact this is going to have on us all. Like the urban gardening movement? Too bad. WE won't be able to grow food in areas where the water is so toxic. New York would be entirely dependent on corporations that control and regulate farms in middle America for HUNDREDS of years. We would be completely unable to fend for ourselves. Every shower will bring us closer to death. Bottled water would be the only available water suited for human consumption. The birth defects will be horrific. Native species of flora and fauna will die off.

I'm all for peaceful protesting, but if it comes to letting this happen, or coming to arms against it; it would be our duty to ourselves and each-other to do everything humanly available or we will be responsible as well. THIS. CAN. NOT. HAPPEN.

[-] 1 points by nyangeloxo (52) 2 years ago

Agreed!

[-] -1 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Yes indeed . . . because horticulturists know so much about geographic strata, diffusion of water through rock, and chemical kinetics. Sheesh. Get a grip. Its MILES underground. It's not going to impact you AT ALL.

[-] 1 points by Alice (46) from Staten Island, NY 2 years ago

This is entirely a falsehood. If you knew about the situation, you'd know that areas already affected are dealing with huge amounts of tainted water surfacing. 95% of these wells are so poorly regulated that there are reports of ruined poisonous water GUSHING out the side. People in these areas are advised not to drink or bathe in the tap water of their OWN HOMES. We have evidence that the disturbed deposits are leaking deadly amount of radium and radon. Lakes and forests are going dead and fallow. Seriously, how can you not know this???

We in New York are having fracked water from Pennsylvania gas wells routinely dumped into our landfills as we speak. Our state does not require testing water for radio activity prior to dumping or treatment. It's already affecting us, and it has been since 2009!

It is so hard not to get mad when everyone's in the same boat and only a few know what's happening. Look, I don't want an on-line flame war, and you're obviously on this site because you care about seeing to the public's well being. Do me a favor, I beg you. Watch this video I'm linking, and then tell me where you stand. I really do beg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEB_Wwe-uBM

And as for the horticultural concern: I want a farm, and I care deeply about the ability for individual towns to be able to fend for themselves food wise.You ever hear the horror stories of how bad it gets when a battery makes it's way into vegetable garden soil? This will be and is much more serious than even that.

[-] 2 points by swagman2 (5) 2 years ago

Am promoting OWS on my Australian website "Telling Thoughts".

http://www.tellingthoughts.com

A Suggestion:

The “Occupy Wall Street” movement needs a world wide protest song. A song with the power of the Joan Baez classic

"The Times they are A'Changing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjc6bH9OTm4&feature=player_embedded

[-] 1 points by permaculturefarmgirl (4) 2 years ago

You mean Bob Dylan, he has an album of all original songs by the same name

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[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

I would protest the removal of the protest.

[-] 1 points by 0moom0 (6) 2 years ago

they would too, as they came back in numbers http://occupymelbourne.org/

[-] 2 points by jodynyc (2) 2 years ago

Thank you OWS for posting and participating in the objection to the gas pipeline in Greenwich Village (CB2)

[-] 2 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

The pipeline is deadly, deadly. The propaganda commercials supporting tar sands on MSNBC are downright criminal. And they complain about Michael Moore, sheesh.

[-] 1 points by SwedeInNYC (12) 2 years ago

Can you please explain to me what you mean by residents of Liberty Square? It is a public-private park, it has no apartments or other form of housing? Technically you cannot live there? How many of the so-called residents send their children to the schools in the neighborhood, pay local real-estate taxes etc?

[-] 1 points by Yomomma23 (1) 2 years ago

What a bitch slap to a good opposition. There are negatives to all advancements of mankind. I believe it is referenced as "taking the good with the bad." Fracking is no more dangerous than the new local gas station in your city. But then again... Your pissed about that. If only everything ran on turnips and food stamps

[-] 1 points by henoktg (66) 2 years ago

central banking is a weapon aimed by the Anglosphere power elite at the West's (and the world's) middle classes. There is no excuse for them. They ought to be abolished as quickly as possible.

http://www.thedailybell.com/3117/Ron-Paul-WSJ-Article-Fraud-of-Central-Banking-Is-Price-Fixing

[-] 1 points by cancerhunt (4) 2 years ago

We support OWS Movement and Pray for the Success of the Movement. Dr Muhammad Sarfraz Abbasi President, Save Pakistan Movement Murree,Pakistan. www.savepakistanmovement.org

[-] 1 points by bootsy3000 (180) 2 years ago

This is totally going to help lose focus on economic justice and getting money out of politics, which I for one view as the central OWS issue. I loathe fracking, and I"m personally affected by it, but I think this is a waste of the spotlight.

[-] 1 points by sudoname (1001) from Berkeley, CA 2 years ago

Fracking fracking.. fracking fracks up the environment.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

May we thrive! May we flourish!

Pledge Of Allegience To The Earth

I pledge allegience to the Earth, to the Flora, to the Fauna, to the human life, and all life it supports. One planet, under grace, indivisibly united in harmony, with safe, clean air, water, and soil, nourishment, justice, equality, and many blessings… light, laughter, serenity, peace and love for all.

Prayer of The 7 Galactic Directions

From the East, House of Light, may wisdom dawn in us so we may see all things in clarity. From the North, House of Night, may wisdom ripen in us so we may know all from within. From the West, House of Transformation, may wisdom be transformed into right action, so we may do what must be done. From the South, House of the Eternal Sun, may right action reap the harvest so we may enjoy the fruits of planetary being. From Above, House of Heaven, may star people and ancestors be with us now. From Below, House of Earth, may the heartbeat of her crystal core bless us with harmonies to end all war. From the Center, Galactic Source, which is everywhere at once, may everything be known as the light of mutual love.

Ah Yum, Hunab Ku, Evam Maya E Ma Ho! Ah Yum, Hunab, Ku, Evam Maya E Ma Ho! Ah Yum, Hunab Ku, Evam Maya E Ma Ho!

Or , actually I saw 2 (+) different spellings of the first part, and I am not sure which is correct… Would love to know! I tried looking it up, but… wha, wha. Here’s the alternate spelling.:

Oh Yum, Hunab Ku, Evam Maya E Ma Ho! Oh Yum, Hunab, Ku, Evam Maya E Ma Ho! Oh Yum, Hunab Ku, Evam Maya E Ma Ho!

*** Ah / Oh Yum, Hunab Ku means: “Oh Mother Source, One Giver of Movement and Measure, and Evam Maya E Ma Ho means: “All Hail the Harmony of Mind and Nature!” This phrase combines Tibetan and Mayan languages. I am pretty sure Ah / Oh Yum, Hunab Ku would be the part that is of Tibetan origin, and Evam Maya E Ma Ho would be the part of Mayan origin. Please do correct me if I am wrong about any of this… I am studying it. Anyhow, isn’t it beautiful!?

“Oh, Mother Source, One Giver of Movement & Measure, All Hail the Harmony of Mind & Nature!”

Protective prayers for peaceful OWS. Thank you! C U All On The Rainbow Bridge!!! World Peace, Love & Blessings, Galactic Butterfly

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

I bet Monsanto won't eat their own franken-food. I bet the self-proclaimed Elite have protected organic vegetable gardens and water sources...

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

PPS- when u google something please don't just read the first thing that comes up... try googling it is a myriad of ways. try to google for example: AES corporation & HAARP, or AES corporation crimes, or HAARP & CHEMTRAILS, or military weather weapons, geo-engineering, eco-terrorism, or FRACKING & Haarp, Earthquakes & Haarp, Earthquakes & Fracking, Haarp & Tsunamis, AES corporation & Haarp, Haarp & mass animal die-offs, Fracking & mass animal die-offs, Monsanto & mass animal die-offs, IMF & geo-engineering / eco-terrorism, or whatever combination... Here's more to choose from, mix n match, google one, google tow or three together or more, etc... see how all the puzzle pieces fit, how all the dots connect, and don't forget to turn on your BS detector and read between the lines! :) So here: NWO, IMF, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, The Federal Reserve, IMF, CFR, Military Industrial Complex, Geo-engineering, Eco-terrorism, Monsanto, Genetically Engineered Food, Genetically Modified Organism, DEA, CIA, 9-11, 9-11 Truth, Architects & Engineers for 9-11 Truth, Fracking, Haarp, Chemtrails, Pollution, Global Warming, AES corporation, Cell Phone Towers, Mind Control, Population Control, De-Population, Big-Pharma, Big-Agra, FDA, History of Hemp, THC Hemp Oil Cancer Cure, THC Oil Healing Cure-All, Pheonix Rising, Rick Simpson Story, History of Medicinal of TCH, When Medicinal THC was legal and a main standard in every doctor's kit, Apricot kernel oil cancer cure, (things that too healthy, too good for us, that they feel they must be illegalized- i bet u they r using these things...) Gerson Therapy Cancer Cure, Gerson Therapy Health Cure-All, death derivatives, mass animal die-offs, Globalization, Natural Resources, Bush Family & Nazi ties, funding both sides of wars, catastrophe profiteering, Skull & Bones, Illuminati, Elite, Freemasonry, Banking Families (aka: Banksters), Bloodlines, Etc... Etc... I believe many are aware of these things... and many have info they can inform myself and others of... I also do not mean to "preach to the choir" so to speak... but i assume if you already know all this stuff, you prolly didn't read my entire post. I apologize to all for the length. That's enough to get you going if you wondered where to start or how to continue your research... once you begin researching, i am sure you'll be able to share n inform myself and others of info... there's a lot to this... it is very complex; multi-layered and even multi-generational... I feel like I’m 4getting to say something I know I haven’t covered everything, and have prolly forgotten to add things I meant to… I know, right!? How could that possibly be given the huge amount I have written!? But alas, it is true… feel free to add to it. Congresses’ role would be a good addition, for instance… or whatever else I haven’t yet covered which is a whole lot. Anyway, wrapping it up, finally… may we stay strong and united, and make a better world, a world we can feel proud to be a part of, and pass to our future generations, instead of the world they are trying to shape and inflict upon us. Love Is Lord Over Heaven & Earth. Power To The People!!! Thank U All!!! Please do as much research as possible, share the wisdom, share the knowledge, share the info., share conscious higher vision, & spread the love! PEACE!!!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

finally, yet another aspect of the intended perverted psychotic relational symbiosis between haarp, chemtrails, fracking, electromagnetic frequencies, cell towers, etc... is that they can use sound frequencies like SONAR; like and EARTH RESOURCE X-RAY... they can actually discover precious natural resources within the earth- all over the planet using this technology. When they discover resources, they create "natural" disasters, and then employ themselves using militia to invade and occupy other countries, so they can steal their resources and enslave their people, and take over the world essentially. I think one of their fav. Parts is that they have us all enslaved, and use The People’s hard earned tax $ to fund so much of what they do for their own agendas, which is not in line, and actually is in total conflict with the The People’s best interests wants, needs, wishes and desires. Essentially we are funding owr own enslavement and demise, and the same fate for our fellow people. (work 1/3 of every year for private corporate criminal greedy interests, and they may throw u, and society a bone here n there as well… mainly for other ungodly more of the same sick reasons though.) i know this sounds stranger than fiction. it's hard to believe anyone actually really wants to "take over the world." it seems like a silly evil cartoon character's plot. this is not silly though, at all. it is real, and they have already been doing these things. i obviously do not know everything about this... it is important to do your own research... i have done lots of research and continue to do so as much as i can find the time to... and yes, it is depressing, so i personally have to try to balance it with things i love, beautiful people i love, spirituality, meditation, prayer, the beauty and majesty of nature that still exists despite all the torture of our Mother Earth, i love spending time w/ animals, being creative, i adore a good laugh, so humor and comedy are way helpful, i love to read fiction books that inspire me and spiritual books that inspire, i am planning on studying organic gardening, etc... and yes, i am doing by best to survive, and better yet really live. yes, it is very challenging at least for me to find the time for everything, and I also plan on studying several other things that would be helpful for me in my activism, which I would like to do so much more in service of The Beautiful People United. i am working on it. PS- PLEASE, also RESEARCH AES CORPORATION!!!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

fracking not only pollutes our ground water, it pollutes our vapor rivers in the atmosphere. chemtrails do the same...

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

fracking also weakens the earth. if you live anywhere near fault lines, and near fracking also... i would def. recommend moving if it is possible... or creating a (man-made disaster not a "natural" disaster) disaster shelter... which would also be of benefit on the much lesser chance (in most places) of a real natural disaster. so intentionally weakening the earth works for them in conjunction with haarp, to create man-made earthquakes... which can also then in turn create (man-induced) tsunamis in some parts of the world. haarp in conjunction w/ chemtrails has multiple purposes... along with working with cell phone towers electromagnetic frequencies (extremely high and low sound frequencies that are also magnetic and electrically charged) can move things around in our atmosphere, along with altering our brain waves, effecting our moods, emotions, bodies, minds, behaviors etc... So as i said it is used for population contol in that way, and also the chemicals additionally make people sick, die, etc... they are poisoning us, and also the chemicals poison our land, our food, our water and air... again- continuing to poison us... they are trying to change our land so only monsanto gmo patented food can grow in our poisoned eco-system. ok, so that is that aspect... but there is much more... they can actually as i had said move things in our atmosphere by shooting out intense charges of electricity (haarp) and using magnetics and sound frequencies to direct the toxic metals in chemtrails (which they have been endlessly spraying into our skies) to damn up the vapor rivers in the skies. they can be surprisingly accurate, and aim at specific longitude and latitude pin-pointed targets. did you know that there is a water supply in the air that is much more vast than our water supply on the earth? there are vapor rivers that flow in current patterns, and they can (using geo-engineering (haarp, chemtrails, cell towers, electromagnetic sound frequencies) for eco-terrorism; weather warfare) do as they wish... they can create floods, droughts, hurricanes, tornados, eathquakes, tsunamis, etc... pick a "natural" disaster... play devil. they can make it rain, snow, hale, etc... weather weaponry is extraordinarily oppressive. i think one of their fav. things about eco-terrorism is they like to pretend all these disasters they are creating are "natural disasters." they control the media and have the people slaving away pre-occupied w/ and exhausted by survival, bombarded by their unceasing control tactics from every angle, and all their psychic vampirism, etc... and who would want to believe this anyway!? it is horrifying! plus part of the propaganda mind control is keeping us afraid of seeming "crazy" to others if we were to think differently than what they try to force feed our minds; the “official story.”

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

One part of the bigger agenda is the eco-terrorism of mass poisoning (which benefits them on a multitude of levels... population control through death and disablement, death derivatives, big sickness is big business to big pharma and medical establishment, real-estate, resources, land poisoning so that they will hire themselves to "clean up" the disasters, and it still wouldn't work (they would probably make it even worse if it was possible to do so...) so then they'd claim the only seeds that will grow would be monsanto gmo seeds, and they would try to contol the food supply, as well, our water supply would be ruined, and again they'd hire themselves to "clean up" the disaster, and again they'd most likely make it even worse if they could, and they'd make it so we would have to get our water through them- through their treatment facilities (and the water would still be poisonous i am sure...) and so they'd also be in control of the water... they would most likely be hiring themselves to continually process the water through more monsanto chemicals to "treat it" for consumption... after they had ruined our water supply by hiring themselves to use monsanto chemicals to frack with, and spray chemtrails into the air with... etc... and of course our air supply- it is obvious how our air would be (and has so far been being) polluted... i bet they will try to come up w/ some bs "air treatment" chemicals to sell us poison bottled air... i shouldn't give em any ideas- but they prolly already thought of them all anyways... they have maniac think tanks a plenty... anyway, actually they are pretending that the reason for spraying chemtrails is to "combat global warming!" can you believe that BS!!?? WTF!!?? (and by the way they are also pretending they are not spraying chemtrails at all, and that chemtrails don't even exist... yeah, right, whatever.) They are creating global warming with chemtrails, and fracking, and haarp, etc... it is designed. by them. by all these same sick bastards who work in cahoots. yes, it is a massive conspiracy. a conspiracy. not a theory. they're also responsible for 9-11, and way too many other horrible evils, etc... they are largely what is wrong with our planet. it sux we good hearted people are stuck on this planet with these criminal maniacs. they are thee worst kind of criminals... they change laws to support their illegal interests. they make it "legal" (yeah f'ing right!) to do horrible totally illegal things... like mass murder; genocide, etc... and they have been getting away with it so far. it must stop. we must stop them. we must make our world the way we want it. we can not count on these sick people to suddenly become un-sick and care and have a conscience and do the right things. they must not be allowed to continue to hold positions of power, authority, and control over us and our future, our children, future generations, our planet, and our planet's future.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

Please watch Gasland the documentary film asap, if you haven't yet seen it. Fracking is totally unsafe and unsustainable. It is not the way.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

I am SOOOOOOOO grateful OWS is working on Major issue of Fracking!!! Thank You All!!! Let's get the word out, and demand a PERMANENT BAN!!! not just state to state, not just nationally, but a permanent ban protecting the whole planet. local is a great start. france permanently banned it!!! go france, go france!!! now let's go usa!!! c'mon usa!!! we can do it!!! OWS we can do this!!! I wanted to add some of my thoughts related to the issues of fracking, and also way relevant to OWS. FRACKING IS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO GLOBAL WARMING. I believe Global Warming is being geo-engineered. They want it. BETWEEN FRACKING, CHEMTRAILS, CORPORATE TOXIC CHEMICAL POLLUTION AND HAARP (and other haarp equivalents created over the globe...) THEY ARE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING GLOBAL WARMING, AMONG OTHER DESTRUCTIVE AGENDAS. Tptb are into eco-terrorism through geo-engineering. Fracking is part of this, in a bigger picture... and yes it is also for what they say it is for (natural gas extraction)... but don't let them fool you, cuz it is also part of a bigger agenda.

[-] 1 points by DianaLee (55) from Salt Lake City, UT 2 years ago

Please beware of the Paulists. Ron Paul and his followers seem to believe that the best government is no government. Nay, the best government is good government (which, admittedly, we have precious little). We must not allow the Paulists and their maniacal rants (End the Fed, e.g.) to hijack the movement for direct democracy.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

ron paul seems better than some... still forming my opinion on him.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

not all end the fed folx are paulists. there is very good reason to end the fed.

[-] 1 points by DianaLee (55) from Salt Lake City, UT 2 years ago

peaceful, can you enlighten me. I don't understand the End the Fed as anything more than the Paulists desire to get rid of all government. I was tempted to see Ron Paul as a viable alternative, but now I think he, like the tea pary peeps, thinks that the problem is the government and that given no regulations, we can all be rich.

[-] 1 points by DianaLee (55) from Salt Lake City, UT 2 years ago

I say beware of the Paulists. Ron Paul is being touted as the only politician with any integrity. Apparently he and his followers believe that no government is the best government. Nay, good government (which we currently have little of) is the best government. We can't allow the Paulists and their maniacal ravings to derail the direct democracy movement.

[-] 1 points by Akilleez (1) 2 years ago

Chem trails should be of a higher concern since you're a national/ international movement.

[-] 1 points by funchords (1) from Barnstable, MA 2 years ago

I implore you NOT to take on this ancillary issues but to stay to the basics. By fighting the Spectra Pipeline or even Fracking itself (which -does- bother me), you come off like you're some organization being used by other (progressive, environmentalist) forces. I'm sure that 99% of us are not against this side issue or that side issue. I wish you only success.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

no actually, fracking and chemtrails fits right in to the main issues of OWS in my opinion. Fracking and chemtrails are of equal imporatnce in my eyes... PLEASE I implore OWS to include these MAJOR issues as part of the main issue because they are.

[-] 1 points by mark237 (0) 2 years ago

victory will be sweet for the 99% as the tsunami gathers pace in the following days,weeks,months- all the greed has finally brought their downfall which will come swiftly when the king of karma comes calling - we talk about so called liberal and free countries... how free are we when we feel the heavy hand of the law working for the super rich - who will try to suppress us and keep the masses down... well done Michael Moore i salute you !!

[-] 1 points by gtyper (477) from San Antonio, TX 2 years ago

I would support and march for this if I weren't halfway across the states.

Thank you for doing what I cannot and know that you are at least a +1 in spirit.

[-] 1 points by MullahBob (1) 2 years ago

All lies and innuendo. Sit around your little campstoves and be cold at night you bunch of dimbulbs. The use of technology requires the use of energy other than that created by humans and barnyard animals and right now hydrocarbon fuels are the cheapest. To use anything else (wind solar &c.) would be foolish and a waste of money. Learn technological history, not gender studies as an elective. If you'd not spent all of your money on your college studies for a non-existent occupation you'd have money to invest in energy stocks and at least you'd have a dividend check coming like I do every quarter. I say keep on drillin', keep on pumping and you ninnies should go back to your mommy's basement. Get a haircut, take bath and get a job at McDonalds. Learn to work hard and get some skills other than whining. It'll pay off when the US Govt goes bust. Who knows, you might even be able to save some money and buy a good used firearm for when the sh*t hits the fan (if you're smart enough to buy ammo too.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

at least you are blatent about you vested interest... u r misinformed re: OWS... there may be some "young hippies" there... but there are many people of all types involved and in support of OWS.

[-] 1 points by Naomi9093 (2) 2 years ago

Hi, I think that the movement is becoming to diversified, and we need a simple direct paradigm from which to focus this marvelous positive energy. Let's face it we have a lot of issues, and even some of us have different, yet passionate views. So what are we really pissed off about... It that we no longer have control of our government, and our government is not responsive to the people, not that it ever was, but now they don’t even try to hide it. This government is controlled by special interest, on both sides, and as a result are steering us off of cliffs and into oblivion. The most recent example is the Wall Street Bailout, where the U.S. Treasury was leveraged to bail out millionaires and billionaires who made bets on toxic mortgages, pushing the economy over a cliff. They were loaned/given the money under the pretext that this funds would be used to ease the credit markets and allow capital to flow to businesses. There was no direct stipulation however, that this be done, and not surprisingly it never was. The whole fiasco was a trick to cover those bets, under the threat that the financial system would wreck the pensions of working people... which they have done anyway.

So what can we do to focus this very real movement, as opposed to the fake movement of the so-called "Tea Party". The Tea Party was formed under the auspices of people who were supposedly against the bail-out. But everyone knows that the Tea Party was really a reaction to the election of Barack Obama and a racist core reaction to the notion of a black president. They were quickly co-opted by the Republican Party, who are owned by business, to sabotage the Obama presidency at every turn. Their anger was fake, their movement is fake. The Occupy Wall Street is the real Tea Party, and despite the many views, we are all pissed off, upset and even terrorized that this government is not at all responsive to the people and as opposed to protecting people, has become a danger. Business and special interest are so entrenched that they don't even try to hide it anymore, and the Republican Party is putting our very country and countless people’s lives at risk just to pursue a political agenda where the American people are expendable.

It is almost hopeless, but there is a very simple way to reclaim our government.
Instead of trying to focus on so many agenda by the participants in the OWS movement, we should concentrate on the single problem that is the root of most, if not all of the perils that human civilization is facing, and one that at least 99% of all Americans can and will agree with; Business and government have become so intertwined that they are instinctively and intrinsically acting like a single entity, out for their own survival and growth, regardless of anyone else and if we are to survive as a species, we must get business out of government and get government out of business. How can we achieve this? Simple, first outlaw lobbyist. Every citizen should be allowed to vote, petition, speak to their representatives, but ONLY AS PRIVATE CITIZENS. Corporations are not people and should be nowhere near the levers of government policy, where they would be free to molest our politicians as they are doing now. Then, in this digital age, people should and could have a more direct influence on the course of civilization. This could be achieved by simply enabling the digital sphere to serve as an aggregate consciousness for all, whereby through tallies, forums and other avenues of input, this consciousness could be validated and tapped to guide humanities direction for the benefit of all. Of course safeguards could be built to protect the rights of the minority and to prevent the tyranny of the majority, but this energy could and should be tapped.

I have nothing against the rich, for human endeavor should never limited or shackled, for where would we be without Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, or Warren Buffet, who was one of the few to warn of the 2008 financial crisis. But as citizens, they did their greatest good and had their most potent impact on humanities direction when they acted and act as private citizens. But the wealthy have their most negative impact when they use their wealth to disproportionally influence and change humanities course as do in the form of corporation and lobbyist, when they buy politicians, lock stock and barrel. As has been seen, these politicians do not respond to the will of "The People" and only use the people to give faux legitimacy to their offices.

The Occupy Wall Street movement must use this opportunity to harness the digital age to expel business out of government and to reclaim government out of business and the only way to do this is to tap the digital sphere and its power to reclaim government for The People. Let me contribute this motto...

GET BUSINESS OUT OF GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT OUT OF BUSINESS. Thank you,

Naomi

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

spaids are spaids. lobbying is bribing. the bail out was robbery of american citizens. yes, these things should be illegal, and should have been illegal all along... and should remain illegal once we re-establish it as being illegal as it really is, but they changed the laws to say it was/is legal so they could do illegal things w/out consequence. i do not agree that these things were ever legal. if a law is fraudulently changed, it should not count as a real law... common sense. i got an idea, let's boot the crazy out of government while we are at it. private corporate criminal interests = the crazy crazy makers.

[-] 1 points by SaneEnergy (1) 2 years ago

Thank you to everyone who marched last night and gave testimony at the FERC hearing on the Spectra Pipeline. The presence of OWS made the event especially meaningful, and brought much-needed attention to this particular (though just one of many) example of our government acting on the behalf of corporations, rather than in the interests of citizens. The way that OWS got up to speed on this pipeline, made such compelling testimony, and turned out the numbers in so little time was beyond impressive. The unnecessary police presence (and unused paddy wagons parked at the end of the block) illustrated the contrast between some people's expectations of OWS, versus what OWS actually did, which was to participate in the basic democratic tradition of a town hall meeting. This movement IS what democracy is all about, and is restoring hope for many people who had become hopeless, cynical and exhausted. What you did last night was important and game changing, and you have our gratitude and respect. Sincerely, Clare Donohue and the members of Sane Energy Project

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

thanks for saying that Clare! :)

[-] 1 points by john62 (10) 2 years ago

There are demands that those in power and control will learn the hard way. Power to the people is alive and those who think it is all a joke are in for a bad wake up call. the time for change is now and the power of the people will be heard. make no mistake change will happen.

[-] 1 points by Naomi9093 (2) 2 years ago

Hi, I think that the movement is becoming to diversified, and we need a simple direct paradigm from which to focus this marvelous positive energy. Let's face it we have a lot of issues, and even some of us have different, yet passionate views. So what are we really pissed off about... It that we no longer have control of our government, and our government is not responsive to the people, not that it ever was, but now they don’t even try to hide it. This government is controlled by special interest, on both sides, and as a result are steering us off of cliffs and into oblivion. The most recent example is the Wall Street Bailout, where the U.S. Treasury was leveraged to bail out millionaires and billionaires who made bets on toxic mortgages, pushing the economy over a cliff. They were loaned/given the money under the pretext that this funds would be used to ease the credit markets and allow capital to flow to businesses. There was no direct stipulation however, that this be done, and not surprisingly it never was. The whole fiasco was a trick to cover those bets, under the threat that the financial system would wreck the pensions of working people... which they have done anyway.

So what can we do to focus this very real movement, as opposed to the fake movement of the so-called "Tea Party". The Tea Party was formed under the auspices of people who were supposedly against the bail-out. But everyone knows that the Tea Party was really a reaction to the election of Barack Obama and a racist core reaction to the notion of a black president. They were quickly co-opted by the Republican Party, who are owned by business, to sabotage the Obama presidency at every turn. Their anger was fake, their movement is fake. The Occupy Wall Street is the real Tea Party, and despite the many views, we are all pissed off, upset and even terrorized that this government is not at all responsive to the people and as opposed to protecting people, has become a danger. Business and special interest are so entrenched that they don't even try to hide it anymore, and the Republican Party is putting our very country and countless people’s lives at risk just to pursue a political agenda where the American people are expendable.

It is almost hopeless, but there is a very simple way to reclaim our government.
Instead of trying to focus on so many agenda by the participants in the OWS movement, we should concentrate on the single problem that is the root of most, if not all of the perils that human civilization is facing, and one that at least 99% of all Americans can and will agree with; Business and government have become so intertwined that they are instinctively and intrinsically acting like a single entity, out for their own survival and growth, regardless of anyone else and if we are to survive as a species, we must get business out of government and get government out of business. How can we achieve this? Simple, first outlaw lobbyist. Every citizen should be allowed to vote, petition, speak to their representatives, but ONLY AS PRIVATE CITIZENS. Corporations are not people and should be nowhere near the levers of government policy, where they would be free to molest our politicians as they are doing now. Then, in this digital age, people should and could have a more direct influence on the course of civilization. This could be achieved by simply enabling the digital sphere to serve as an aggregate consciousness for all, whereby through tallies, forums and other avenues of input, this consciousness could be validated and tapped to guide humanities direction for the benefit of all. Of course safeguards could be built to protect the rights of the minority and to prevent the tyranny of the majority, but this energy could and should be tapped.

I have nothing against the rich, for human endeavor should never limited or shackled, for where would we be without Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, or Warren Buffet, who was one of the few to warn of the 2008 financial crisis. But as citizens, they did their greatest good and had their most potent impact on humanities direction when they acted and act as private citizens. But the wealthy have their most negative impact when they use their wealth to disproportionally influence and change humanities course as do in the form of corporation and lobbyist, when they buy politicians, lock stock and barrel. As has been seen, these politicians do not respond to the will of "The People" and only use the people to give faux legitimacy to their offices. The Occupy Wall Street movement must use this opportunity to harness the digital age to expel business out of government and to reclaim government out of business and the only way to do this is to tap the digital sphere and its power to reclaim government for The People. Let me contribute this motto...

GET BUSINESS OUT OF GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT OUT OF BUSINESS.

Thank you,

Naomi

[-] 1 points by jbell78 (152) 2 years ago

So..did your Die In do anything?

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[-] 1 points by Danimal (9) from Leeuwarden, FR 2 years ago

Support those making OWS more environmentally sustainable: http://www.occupy-wallstreet.com/permaculture/

[-] 1 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

Do you really want change ?? -- Occupy the FDA, DEA, EPA and BOYCOTT CHRISTMAS - really, you people are disgusting me.. if you buy anything for Christmas you're not really trying to help free people and bring about world peace!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

you are right that those are important places for OWS to protest, and they prob. will if they haven't already begun to... that they are disgusting you is not possible. you are disgusting yourself by the way you are thinking of OWS. Boycott Christmas is not a bad idea... at least boycotting the crazy-making consumer part of christmas... which is imho really stupid, expensive, exhausting, and stressful. I enjoy giving people gifts... but I don't enjoy the insanity that Christmas has become for so many... Uuugh! Just thinking about it I feel disgusted now. lol.

[-] 1 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

There will be no change unless we start a true boycott of the entire system of Capitalism (in its current form).

It's still business as usual, were celebrating Libyan freedom as if we actually know anything about or care for Libyans. Dum Dum Americans and westerners (the commoners) still refuse to acknowledge that we only attack countries that refuse to let us financially take over their industry and resources??? WTF how dumb are people? over and over and over again..

how about helping the Palestinians??? No, of course not, in fact we're going to vote against them even having the right to call the place they live their home, we're the good guys?? well, Palestinians don't have oil or resources we want so F*&^ them!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i am not a fan of capitalism in it's current form either. it is infuriating and vomit inducing how grotesque it is. i understand why you are angry, but please, calling american people dumb isn't going to help get your point across to those you'd hope to be reaching. i agree with your other points, just not that american people are dumb. here's why: american people are in a control system so much so that many actually couldn't or can't yet see through it. Everything is controlled here, but we are programmed from day one to think we have got it so good, and we are so free, and better off than anywhere else. Propaganda and mind control are dumbfounding in U.S. Many people are doing all they can to survive, and they feel too exhausted at the end of the day to do much but turn on the tele after dinner, etc... and many prob. don't even know they should be seeking out non-main stream controlled info. They believe they are being informed. They don't want to believe their gov't would lie or do bad things. I know... Also the people of America are being bombarded by abuse by tptb. The food supply is toxic, they are trying to poison us from every angle- water, air, medication drugs, etc... Also electromagnetic frequency pollution and abuse... Many have health problems... and as I said before are struggling to survive. Yes, there are some people in more fortunate positions... and not all of those people are aware of our gov't wrong doings as well... but more and more american citizens are waking up... as you can see... A lot of the control tactics our gov't employs are made to seem attractive to the citizens. They keep their sick agenda covert, and make the means for their hidden agendas to be accomplished something attractive to us... not only attractive, but of necessity to remain relevant or even simply to be able to function at all within the addictive system. anyhow, thank you for sharing your points though, they are important. i think understanding and compassion are more far reaching than insults though. I am sure if more us citizens did know the truth of what you are saying... they would care, they wouldn't want it, they would be outraged at the us "gov't." which is not The US People's Gov't but a private criminal corporation pretending to be our gov't. Our BS gov't won't report on itself though... and as I said they have exploited and exhausted the us people. they have gone way too far... Power To The People!!! Peace.

[-] 1 points by dcranmer (7) 2 years ago

Stop Fracking! I support! There in Spirit!

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[-] 1 points by PeaceOnEarth (3) 2 years ago

I haven't felt God in this country for a long time. But when I look at pictures of Occupy Wall Street and I feel the energy from those pictures, I feel God there. You people are the strong, the crusaders, the salt of the earth. For the first time looking at all of you I feel unafraid. This mass is beautiful, such righteous indignation. It is time to destroy the evil on this earth, it is time to bring Wall Street and the Banksters down, along with everyday prices, school tuition fees, rent rates, mortgage rates, the whole raw deal. For what all of you are doing I thank you. I plan on sending some sort of donation, because after how the 1% has ruined my life, I love you!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

love u too peace on earth! :)

[-] 1 points by PlaceOfSolace (1) 2 years ago

Any chance of getting evidence from a scientific study that proves that Fracking has a negative impact on our sources of water?

Evidence from Gasland has already been challenged. Take for instance the scene in which one of the homeowners sets gas in the water from his tap on fire. It was determined that this was unrelated to Fracking and was in fact just because the homeowner had drilled through FOUR different coal beds to make the water well.

Basically I'm just curious what scientific evidence exists that indicates that Fracking is such a huge problem that OWS should be spending its time on the issue. I understand that it's related to the problem of corporations too heavily influencing political decisions, but I'm curious what evidence we have that this particular behavior is so dangerous.

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If the argument is simply: let's not allow this until more is known about the ramifications of Fracking, that's legit too. I'm just having trouble finding any hardcore research into the issue.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i disagree. was it a pro-fracking source you got your info. from? there were several people, and families in the doc. Gasland who's water caught on fire. There are scientists against fracking. Try attending a ban fracking rally, ask questions, and listen to speakers, meet people, etc... you'll find plenty of scientific sources against it w/ evidence to back. if you can also research it further, cuz if you haven't found any scientific evidence against it then you musn't have done much research... you can't only read the pro-fracking literature. also, did you see the full doc. of Gasland, or just that one clip?

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Caution. Facts are not wanted here!

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[-] 1 points by stompy (1) from Grande Prairie, AB 2 years ago

Fracking doesn't destroy the environment or hurt human health. I have worked int he industry and it allows oil wells to flow more oil and gas than they would normally do. Without Fracking, many more Oil wells would be required to be drilled to accumulate the same amount of oil or even to reach it. Fracking is a way to save the environment as it also allows old well which do not produce anymore to flow again. It revives the old well in a sense. Please give clear examples of how you think Fracking is incredibly destructive!!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

wow! i totally disagree with you and feel that because you are employed in the industry they have brainwashed you into thinking it is a good thing, so that you and all the other workers feel comfortable to do your job. i'm sure they don't tell you what hazardous chemicals; neuro-toxins & carcinogens are in the fracking solutions... nor how much pure water they use and destroy by poisoning it with those chemicals, etc... I mean the list goes on. Please sir, do your own research, and not just to try to prove yourself right that it is safe... Really look into it from all angles with an open mind. Please watch Gasland if you have not yet seen it. It is a good place to start... and also an extremely important film. and there is a plethora of info. on the web too re: the horrifying consequences of hydraulic fracking. it is unsafe. there are many many contaminated wells, families who can no longer drink their well water, use it for cooking, washing dishes, laundry, nor showering nor teeth brushing, etc... and they all are experiencing health problems because of toxic fracking. what a nightmare! can u imagine trying to live / function under such devastating circumstances!? there are a good amount of examples of water that catches on fire due to fracking... and also the contamination of streams, illegal dumping of toxic frack waste, animal die offs, frack hazardous waste going into our water supplies, our food supplies, our air supplies, our bodies, making people and animals sick... it most certainly does destroy the environment. not to mention frackings outrageously dumbfounding promotion of global warming. We MUST STOP THIS. IT CAN NOT HAPPEN!!! (as the horticulturalist (sp?) stated on another post.)

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[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 2 years ago

In Italy and in other european countries there are hundreds of Movements which pursue the same aims of OccupyWallStreet. You have to link to them as soon as possible, because, when we'll be an enormous Movement with only an idea and without borders, our victory will be sure. If we want to go far, we have to aim over our horizon.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Can you provide some links?

[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 2 years ago

I remind now the following ones. No-Global/ Antimondializzazione/ Acqua pubblica/ NO TAV/ Altro consumo/ Diritti civili/ Società civile/ Girotondi/ Articolo 21/ Precari e disoccupati/ Banca Etica/ Difesa dei Beni Comuni/ Se non ora quando/ Popolo viola/ M5S (www.BeppeGrillo.it)/ Gay, lesbiche, transessuali/ Peacelink/ Reporter senza frontiere/ ANPI/ Movimento Studentesco/ Indignados/ Democrazia Diretta/ Movimento antieuropeo/ Usciamo dall'euro/ Energie rinnovabili... To get to know others and their links, consult Goggle, Wikipedia and so on. Bye.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Thank you.

[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 2 years ago

It's been a pleasure. Now I hope that you and your friends link these and other Movements as soon as possible. We're late. If we don't take our Power back in the next months, we'll fall in a total slavery. Always ready to collaborate for the success of our ideas.

[-] 1 points by bcv166 (18) from Edisto Beach, SC 2 years ago

I agree with OWS idealism, but think you have to attack this at the political level. Start with the recall of bought and paid for state officials. Then get the states to call for a Constitutional Convention to reform our electoral system. Eliminate the Electoral College, "Get The Money Out" of politics, eliminate gerrymandering, etc., etc. This may sound quite long and difficult to do, but its really the only logical and effective way to reform the country.

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[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

good post

[-] 1 points by tsdevi (307) 2 years ago

thanks, good to see your posts.

[-] 1 points by pvs58 (3) from New Paltz, NY 2 years ago

Let's also keep the focus on offshoring and outsourcing of our jobs. My corporation fired 50,000 Americans and hired probably more in India over the last 5 years. More software is now moving to China. All of us are now greybeards with hardly a young face in our company - at least in the USA and Canada. And they pay 2.3% Federal income taxes. Certainly not 35%.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

And they "wonder" why people are upset! Luckily, my company hasn't done lay-offs, even in 2009 after the financial collapse. Instead, they asked everyone to find ways to cut down on spending and promised us they wouldn't lay anyone off.... and they kept their word. Most big companies aren't like this, though.

[-] 1 points by Bagoz (2) from Dorval, QC 2 years ago

The government in Quebec, tried to force that on us, but they failed cause popular/environmental pressure. A group went to Pennsylvania to see this from there own eyes, to talk to peps and they say it was worst then there worst nightmare.. so much suffering there!

Ex (in french): http://fr.aol.ca/article/gaz-de-schiste-des-quebecois-reviennent-inquiets-dune-visite-en-pennsylvanie/844491/

[-] 1 points by pvs58 (3) from New Paltz, NY 2 years ago

Right now we can vote with our pocketbooks for smaller companies when we purchase. Many small companies still sell Made in the USA products but battle large corporations that offshored our jobs to 3rd world countries. You need only look online to find these companies by searching: Made in the USA or How Americans can buy American. I bought some socks and some running shorts, for example for very competitive prices. We may not find a US-made cellphone but for other products it is very possible to find small companies making American products.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

I buy from the little stores in my area as much as I can. I only eat in mom-and-pop restaurants.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Asia has been ahead of the electronics market for 20 years

[-] 1 points by dealdoctor (148) 2 years ago

This Documentary called The Trap outlines how the "freedom" we have in the West has turned into the 1% nightmare. lt also shows why we have lost our sense of community and caring in the United States. Learn why we have the 1%. Here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/6d4bpc8

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

those conservatives are at again

they wont allow alternative energy resources

they say it will destroy the environment are they want to conserve it

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

That's the biggest bunch of fucking bullshit I've ever heard. They are the biggest bunch of ass wipes around.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

the same creepy criminal companies have involved themselves in the "alternative energy resources" markets... so they are essentially speaking of their own products being bad for the environment... really they are making "alternative energy" products that are supposed to be green, but they really of course are far from it. There are however alternative energy product producers out there i believe who are independent and sincere in their development of more or wholly truly green energy source products. we have to research thoroughly and only support companies who are not affiliated with these corporate criminal take over the world creepos.

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[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

exactly

[-] 1 points by AlaskanTLR (7) 2 years ago

I live in a village in Alaska. Ppl here wanted a gasline .. to bring less expensive local resources to us, but it turns out that it is cheaper for ALL of us to go wind/solar. BUT .. big biz can get the bucks to do a huge million buck a mile gasline , no problem, it's the fact that homeowners cannot get the funds to do the solarization projects for indivudals, which would be less spendy, more safe and overall, FARRRR better for all of us!

[-] 1 points by DonHawkins (37) 2 years ago

Your going to love this new book called Parallel Universe you all will be in it. Stay strong...

http://knowledge321.wordpress.com/

[-] 1 points by Dublin99 (65) 2 years ago

Fracking is about to become a massive issue in Ireland.

Several companies are involved in early stage preparation for fracking in undeground gas reserves in Ireland's north west.

Anyone involved in campaigning against Fracking and interested in learning about the situation in Ireland, visit this Facebook page for information: http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Fracking-Ireland/217392378284498

Anyone who has Irish parents or grandparents are entitled to an Irish passport. So get involved, move to Ireland for a while and help us fight this assault on the natural resources and environment.

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[-] 1 points by Spire (2) 2 years ago

FRACKING CAUSED TEXAS EARTHQUAKE, yesterday 10-20-2011 http://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse#p/u/1/FPvkqcmBAA4

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i will read this article but i am too tired now... but this is what i am talking about... it weakens the earth... and then haarp on top of it... check out how every time there is a major "natural" disaster like earthquakes, tsunamis, etc... that haarp was on and being used. fracking works w/ haarp and chemtrails... geo-engineering; eco-terrorism.

[-] 1 points by AlaskanTLR (7) 2 years ago

hogwash

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

why you live in alaska... haarp is in alaska.

[-] 1 points by hamma (5) 2 years ago

You guys just fracked your whole movement tonight. Thanks dipshits.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

u r foolish 2 think so.

[-] 1 points by ladygreymouse (1) from Berlin, Berlin 2 years ago

Respect to #OWS from an expat living in Germany. Re Meet-Up notice: it's "disastrous," not "disasterous." Not trying to be a pedant - it's better to get something this important (especially if members of the media have access to it) right than wrong. (Most of us who left the States to find work abroad are employed as English teachers.) Cheers to all!

[-] 1 points by hamma (5) 2 years ago

Get rid of that fracking nonsense or your whole movement will be done tomorrow. STICK TO THE SUBJECT!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

nice threat! u r full of it! Fracking IS most undeniably part of and totally relevant to the subject.

[-] 1 points by JDub (218) 2 years ago

No Taxation without Representation! As long as things like 93% of elections are won by the person with the most money, we are not being truly represented.

[-] 1 points by Pasha (5) 2 years ago
  1. I suggest the abolition of the current system of selection of our representatives through elections that are won by the person(s) with the most money.

  2. How about selecting our representatives through the system of lots used by the Athenians about 2000 years ago. Such a system eliminates the influence of money in the selection of representatives altogether and makes them completely fair. This is true democracy!

  3. For more information on this system see the following web site:

3.1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy

  1. It should be obvious to anyone that the current system of electing our representatives is a complete failure throughout this planet. Just look around. Why would we have an "Occupy Wall Street" movement if elections worked?
[-] 1 points by Packman (1) 2 years ago

You might be wise to focus your efforts on one issue. Example: government should not be rewarding failure. Remember K.I.S.S., keep it simple stupid. Build your movement on basics. Your support will be broad based and long lasting.

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[-] 1 points by patriot61 (2) 2 years ago

"the only solution is world revolution" I LOVE IT!!! YES! The system in its entirety is broken. Corporate greed in the guise of job creators, credit card robbery, health care reform opposition... all rooted in corporate greed. If health care were corrected or credit card robbery rectified or commodity pricing of gasoline stopped outright or lobbying practices corrected in a meaningful way, the system would still be broken and lower and middle class will still suffer because the greed of the 1% would continue to prosper in the larger system of capitalism gone awry.... and it has. Ben Franklin believed the strength of democracy lied in the masses, in the middle class. Capitalism at the time of the birth of our country was tempered by a stronger commitment to treat our fellows as we would want to be treated. The Declaration of Independence obligates us to throw off the chains of a repressive governance when it does not work. And Thomas Jefferson supported vigilance in holding not just government but society accountable. Revolution. The pundits, who are no more educated than you nor me, claim "Occupy Wall Street" is just noise with no solutions. Screw them. They are in the pockets of the 1%. They make claims that the movement has much in common as the Tea Party. Again, screw them. The Tea Party is a fabrication of the 1% to "reduce government to obsolence so that it does not inhibit the growth of the 1%". Let's keep singular in focus. Liked or not, the prohibition was only successful because that movement refused to embrace other agendas. THIS agenda... stop greed through revolution will inherently lead to other corrective actions! A commenter wrote "no demands are a meaningful demand in the shadow of 1%".... Fantastic!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i love that we r doing it our own way. screw those 1% pocketed pundits is right.

[-] 1 points by patriot61 (2) 2 years ago

"the only solution is world revolution" I LOVE IT!!! YES! The system in its entirety is broken. Corporate greed in the guise of job creators, credit card robbery, health care reform opposition... all rooted in corporate greed. If health care were corrected or credit card robbery rectified or commodity pricing of gasoline stopped outright or lobbying practices corrected in a meaningful way, the system would still be broken and lower and middle class will still suffer because the greed of the 1% would continue to prosper in the larger system of capitalism gone awry.... and it has. Ben Franklin believed the strength of democracy lied in the masses, in the middle class. Capitalism at the time of the birth of our country was tempered by a stronger commitment to treat our fellows as we would want to be treated. The Declaration of Independence obligates us to throw off the chains of a repressive governance when it does not work. And Thomas Jefferson supported vigilance in holding not just government but society accountable. Revolution. The pundits, who are no more educated than you nor me, claim "Occupy Wall Street" is just noise with no solutions. Screw them. They are in the pockets of the 1%. They make claims that the movement has much in common as the Tea Party. Again, screw them. The Tea Party is a fabrication of the 1% to "reduce government to obsolence so that it does not inhibit the growth of the 1%". Let's keep singular in focus. Liked or not, the prohibition was only successful because that movement refused to embrace other agendas. THIS agenda... stop greed through revolution will inherently lead to other corrective actions! A commenter wrote "no demands are a meaningful demand in the shadow of 1%".... Fantastic!

[-] 1 points by TheWallStreetProtest (4) 2 years ago

I want everyone with issues they believe have not been raised to RAISE THEM at the TheWallStreetProtest.com. We are creating mass awareness, but we need your help.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

please read my posts on this site... please share with me... i also have strong ideas about our voting system and tax system...

[-] 1 points by TruthInWyo (3) 2 years ago

Can someone name some of the 1%'ers? Who are they, by name?

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

please... do some research! it's not hard to find out or understand if you try... please read my posts and you'll perhaps understand more... actually many posters posts on this thread are informative... ok, so you asked for some by name... pleasse though, google banksters, google banking families, here are a few names for example: 1 % not in any particular order (other than the nwo lol.) = people like The Bush family, The Windsors, The Rothschild family, Rockefellers, JPMorgan Chase family, people like Allen Greenspan, people like Larry Silverstein, Goldman Sachs, Enron, Lehemen Bros., Cheney, etc... just for starters, but the list goes on... supposedly there are 13 self proclaimed Elitist Illuminati bloodlines, who feel they are entitled to dominate and be thee ruling class... who have an agenda of planetary domination. i should mention also that not all of the 1% clan members kept their original sur names, purposefully so. there is a lot of inter-marrying w/in the 1% though to consolidate power and wealth (wealth = power to these families and I am not just speaking of paper $... I mean valuable resources.) Please research it if you care to know more. It is very significant.

[-] 1 points by AlaskanTLR (7) 2 years ago

Sure! You might find this intersting, an article from "New Scientist" ..... a database that got the corps down to 147, globally, connected. Then lists the top 50. As for individuals? I suppose, for the US corps, any of the CEOs would qualify, at a minimum.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

this article is interesting... but i disagree. there most definitely is a very real conspiracy. note what a bad word conspiracy is... that's part of it; propaganda. they r afraid to call it in this article... they are minimizing in this article. i don't agree with the angle; with the spin... but interesting technology nonetheless...

[-] 1 points by TruthInWyo (3) 2 years ago

Almost all of the companies listed in that link are publicly traded, and thus one can easily review their financials. I'm confused, I thought 1%'ers were people.

Where I'm from the 1% have donated GENEROUSLY to our small town... parks, our library, tech centers, our college, the arts....everything is a result of the generosity of the 1%'ers. You will never find our town saying a single bad word about them because they are good, hard-working, generous people who have enriched all of our lives.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

where do u live? many also say nothing cuz they have stocks in the 1%ers corps... I do not think everyone w/ $ is bad or evil or greedy, and yes some are generous... and yes, even greedy evil 1%ers often donate to charity... but that doesn't take away the crimes... and they donate so no one will say anything bad bout them, and so they can win/manipulate favor of public opinion... not all wealthy people are in the 1%... or at least they r not in the top of the 1%... and towards the lower rungs of the 1 % aren't necessarily consciously involved with tptb that occupy wall street are protesting.

[-] 1 points by TruthInWyo (3) 2 years ago

So, I guess that... Bill and Melinda Gates, Steve Jobs estate, Paul Allen, Elon Musk, Warren Buffet

... are all evil 1%'ers?

[-] 1 points by Pasha (5) 2 years ago

In order to ensure that corporations do not become monopolies and are not able to control our government through their immense size, corporations that are too large must be systematically broken up into smaller independent corporations. No corporation should be allowed to have an annual revenue greater than 10 billion dollars.

This is a concrete goal that the OWS movement could add to its list of goals.

[-] 1 points by AlaskanTLR (7) 2 years ago

I'm hoping that in a very short time, we have international anti-trust laws. That would take care of a great deal of the problems.

[-] 1 points by Pasha (5) 2 years ago
  1. International anti-trust laws are very important.

  2. At the same time we must ensure that these laws are enforced rigorously. How do we go about doing this when our governments are under the control of corporations?

[-] 0 points by TruthInWyo (3) 2 years ago

Sounds like Socialism to me, or is it Communism? Sounds like something Chavez would promote.

[-] 1 points by Pasha (5) 2 years ago
  1. It is better not to think in terms of communism, capitalism, socialism, leftist, rightist, conservative, neo-conservative, and so on. These are nothing but blinkers that prevent us from looking at the big picture.

  2. We need to adopt philosophies, principles, and practices that provide the greatest benefit to the largest number of people, the 100 % (not the 1 %), without trampling upon the fundamental rights of anyone. This is not an easy process. It is a long term proposition and we have to proceed one step at a time.

  3. The first step is to limit the power of corporations and their wealthy owners and managers and to hold them rigorously accountable to the 100 %.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

chavez interests me.

[-] 1 points by Barb333 (1) 2 years ago

Where is the movement going. What are it's goals to effect change other than carrying signs and yelling

[-] 1 points by Alice (46) from Staten Island, NY 2 years ago

raising awareness

[-] 1 points by mangalove (2) 2 years ago

sorry for the miss types.. damn you auto correct...

[-] 1 points by mangalove (2) 2 years ago

all for all the occupy movement but this is moving away from the main issue , you shouldnt do everything a person who comes to speak tells you...it makes it look like we are easily manipulated and used. just my opinion , but i think unviolent forms of traffic blocking done legally is more effective since you cant hide this in the media since even if your not in the area it stops it for a whole city ... ppl ask why there are traffic problems blocks away... and they have to be answered that it was you instead of the media hiding something like that. :)

[-] 1 points by Shamus27 (84) 2 years ago

My heart goes out to all of you, best of luck.

There is some related information below about the fight over this in the Delaware River Basin. Doe NYC get water from the Delaware River?

I am understanding the document at the link correctly ICan print it, sign it and mail it in? If so will that help if I live out of state? (TX)

For about the past three years the people in the Delaware River Water Shed area have been able to maintain a moratorium on fracking.

On October 20th of this year, (Two weeks from now), that could change and over 300 fracking drilling sites could start going into production.

If you care about one of Americas most historic and pristine watersheds place take some time, make a few phone calls and forward this to all your contacts.

The links below explain what could happen and what you can do to help.

http://vimeo.com/29952415

http://savethedelaware.wordpress.com/

http://www.delawareriverkeeper.org/

Peace & Love To Al Of You Shamus27

[-] 1 points by hazard (1) 2 years ago

its up to the 100% to stop the economy. the economy has declared war on humanity. not just to destroy it. but also to eliminate our chances of survival.

[-] 1 points by quercus (93) 2 years ago

i am confused, how is this site organized???

date/time line reply/permalink forum/chat 0 comments__days ago, 7 points 5 hours ago, 5 points, 6 hours ago; exactly! 2 points,5 hours ago,here here1;1 POINTS 2 hours ago--- could someone, anyone explain this to me??? post: 1816 pdt

[-] 1 points by DeadHand (45) 2 years ago

excellent....take action!

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 2 years ago

To those calling this radical environmentalism: People who are living where this pipeline is now planned are extremely concerned that a natural gas pipeline is planned to go through the most densely populated region in the nation.

We're concerned for our personal safety. It's really not some hippie-dippie save the earth thing. The owners of the apartment buildings that are on the site of this thing are against it, too. There's widespread oppostition from those of us who are going to have to live with it.

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[-] 1 points by Zifnab (1) from Brossard, QC 2 years ago

The practice to expulse gas requires something to be heated to push into a rock layer, fracturing it, and letting the trapped gas out.

It seems to be every waste chemical available being pumped into the ground, as well as 100 patented ones who's ingredients are unknown.

CHEMICALS USED IN HYDRAULIC FRACTURING COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE http://democrats.energycommerce.house.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Hydraulic%20Fracturing%20Report%204.18.11.pdf

Table 5. States with at Least 100,000 Gallons of Hydraulic Fracturing Fluids Containing a SDWARegulated Chemical (2005-2009)

Texas 9,474,631 New Mexico 1,157,721 Colorado 375,817 Oklahoma 202,562 Mississippi 108,809 North Dakota 100,47

Didn't Texas catch fire this year? Like, the entire thing?

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

which chemical companies own the patents? hmmmm i wonder? sure monsanto is on that list... etc... Fracking is so wrong!!!

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[-] 1 points by ThePenSword (2) 2 years ago

Looking forward to next week! I'm driving up from Kentucky to join!

[-] 1 points by kestrel (274) 2 years ago

Not that the deaths had anything to do with fracking but with the pipeline itself....

[-] 1 points by nyangeloxo (52) 2 years ago

Yes!! A healthy community is a wealthy one!! We must take pride, care for, respect and show love for one another. If we don't come together we will surely be torn apart...Eat right, Live right Speak right!!! <3

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

indeed.

[-] 1 points by DonHawkins (37) 2 years ago

Surprise surprise nice touch stay strong Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, March, April, May, June, July, Aug, Sept, Oct, and Nov will tell part of the story A new way of thinking stay free...............

[-] 1 points by FrequentC (3) 2 years ago

Excellent documentary on Fracking: http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

[-] 0 points by nparker (39) 2 years ago

I saw this when it was on TV. Very shocking and informative.

[-] -2 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

That movie has been utterly discredited. Get current.

We need a science/evidenced based approach to these matters, and the evidence is that fracking is very, very safe.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

no, Gasland has not been discredited. we r current. u must have vested interest in fracking, or something related to it. FRACKING IS UNSAFE. Please people don't blindly believe this person... he most likely has alt. motives; hidden agenda... please do your own research and decide for yourselves.

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

How you will present that evidence will be interesting.

Gasland is well backed by evidence. It will be interesting to see what you claim discredits it.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

yup.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Fox blames flammable faucet in Fort Lupton, Colo. on natural gas development

But that’s not true according to the Colorado Oil & Gas Conservation Commission (COGCC). “Dissolved methane in well water appears to be biogenic [naturally occurring] in origin. … There are no indications of oil & gas related impacts to water well.” (complaint resolved 9/30/08, signed by John Axelson of COGCC)

In other words, the water in that area always was the way it was shown in the movie - long before "fracking" began there.

This will have no effect on your thinking, as it is based on facts. Perhaps it will keep others from unquestioningly believing propaganda

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

That is spin from a corrupt organization that has long been in the pocket books of the natural gas industry. So still awaiting your facts. I knew this owuld interesting

Speaking out of both sides of their mouth: http://checksandbalancesproject.org/2011/04/21/state-regulator-admits-but-not-to-congress-that-gas-production-led-to-water-contamination-in-colorado/

Thats just the first one I found. I've heard this reported elsewhere as well which is how I knew to search for it. And thats just the beginning with issues with fracking.

Good luck on getting support for fracking that has not been purchased by the American NAtural Gas Alliance

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Come up with a plausible theory on how fracking can contaminate groundwater, particularly with steel cased bores. It is completely implausible.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

u r either so very misinformed or knowingly spreading misinformation... and i can not help but to assume u most certainly have vested interest in natural gas via fracking.

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

First: The point is that the "regulators" know and have been recorded saying that they know the Fracking has caused the contamination. YET they have not given public testimony to the same.

so you have yet to provide credible evidence nor have you undermined the evidence that i presented. You are not doing well here. You did ask for an evidence based approach.

Second: Its absurd to ignore the cautionary principal because your simplistic understanding of the process leads you to believe that it is foolproof. The same arguments were given for the maconda well. I don't buy it. The same arguments are put forth for oil pipelines which leak all the time.

So to claim that this is implausible does not fly.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

not only have there been a number of leaks resulting in contamination; poisoning, they also dump hazardous frack waste illegally.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

I decided we are not going to throw cited sources back and forth - it is useless. The approach you and others use is to define statistically improbable events as having a huge significance. While jet airliners occassionally crash, the airline industry has an overall incredible safety record. The crash is tragic, but the impact to society is insignificant. Same with the maconda well: That industry has an amazing record drilling and operating those wells. Same with pipelines: They do NOT leak, except in local, and rapidly controlled incidents.

So if some fracking operations have spilled some material around the site, that is a small thing. They should be monitored, and make all effort to prevent it. But you and your friends are implying that fracking contaminates ground water. Not through small spills, but through the drilling process itself. That is completely implausible. As a physicist, I go with the approach that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". Huge areas of contaminated ground water would be hard to miss, so I urge you to go out and find some for us all to examine as your proof. I don't have to prove that UFO's don't exist, anymore than I have to prove that liquids pumped miles underground into rock can somehow get transported into ground water.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

wow u r a dense physicist!

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Well, I now have enough data points on "peacefulwarrior" to see that he/she has nothing to say about anything. Just another ad hominem spewer of talking points placed directly into his/her skull by his/her plantation masters . . .

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

You failed to provide credible evidence so now you are just going to blather.

But to call the impact of the maconda well blow out insignificant. Amazing!

You must be one of those unpublished scientists with a comfy armchair.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i'm sure all the people who's properties were totally devalued by fracking, who can not use their water at their home at all for anything would appreciate your lack of sensitivity to call their devastation insignificant. (u sir, should go and try to live in that hell for a week, even for a day, and see what you think then... those are their homes!!! they no longer have water!!! due to fracking.) why r u here? to troll for pro-fracking on a ban-fracking site... to spread mis-info. you must own stock, or patents re: fracking gas. u don't seem to share the caring spirit of OWS.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Tell me the statistics for deep water drilling.

Then tell me the significance of the maconda blowout. Include a comparative assessment of the damage that would come from not having the energy we obtain from these wells.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

We don't need or want fracking.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Then stop consuming vast amounts of energy using the internet, hypocrite.

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

You only need one blow out like that and then the use of chemical dispersants to ruin the lives of those in the southern united states that depended upon fishing for a living. And thats what it has done.

[-] 0 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

your 1st word is Fox!!! Blaughahahahahahahahaha!!! u just discredited your own attempt to discredit! Amazing! In the first word! lol. uy vey! spin is right... i agree w/ aaronparr.

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

Not Fox news, but the guy who made the Gasland movie. Thats his last name.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Why don't you adopt aaron as your mentor: While I don't agree with him, he at least makes his point.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Stop before you embarrass yourself even more. The "Fox" in the reference was not Fox News.

You really need to get a clue

[-] 1 points by GarnetMoon (424) 2 years ago

Go start your own movement and get out of here.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

No. The major issue of fracking is undeniably relevant to OWS. We won't be getting out of here.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

I wasn't talking about a "movement", I was talking about the propaganda movie "Gassland". There are plenty of internet sites that show what a total fabrication that movie was. If you are interested in facts, you can google them right up. If you are interested in being one sheep in a flock "movement", feel free to live your life that way.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i disagree with you entirely.

[-] 1 points by meg40 (1) 2 years ago

get politicians out of politics!?! get people in. politicians are not people, & people know what's good for them. Harm no one, cause no loss or injury to another, treat others how you want to be treated. That is all the law any of us need. If we can obey these simple things, there will never be conflict amongst us. & everyone would have everything they need. Want's may be many, but needs are few, Freedom is one of the needs & it is given to us. Nobody has the right to take it away.

[-] 1 points by nyangeloxo (52) 2 years ago

i love this <3

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

But isn't excessive taxation on one class of people taking away their freedom?

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

oh my... u just like wasting our energy... i can't believe u believe your own bs.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

So we can pick out a group of people and just enslave them to our needs? How many months of each year must they work for us to satisfy your sense of "justice"?

[-] 0 points by nparker (39) 2 years ago

I agree. Once we start treating each other with compassion and kindness we will open our minds and hearts to peace. This is the path to a new future.

[-] 0 points by momo (8) 2 years ago

I hope by die-in you mean your all going to die-in there. I can't wait to for your greedy lazy arses to get off the street

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

momo is such a lovely person. (sarcasm.) momo why are you here? i like momo dumplings, but i don't like your comment.

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[-] 0 points by lisaizonline (13) 2 years ago

Really? Are you now on a tour to stage your protests in every area that pisses you off? Stick to the topic people. If you wanna protest some real problems, why don't you go protest at pedophile's houses? You can easily find their addresses online. I have an app for that.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

Are you interested in living your live in health? Are you interested in clean drinkable usable water? Clean air? Clean land and food supply? This my dear is a MAJOR issue. Not that pedophelia (sp?) is not... because it most certainly is... but this is a site advocating the permanent ban on fracking supported by OWS. water = life. if we have no water, we won't be alive to adress the issue of pedophelia or anything else.

[-] 0 points by lisaizonline (13) 2 years ago

I thought it was about the 1%

[-] 0 points by Barb333 (1) 2 years ago

Demand for changed needs more than signs

[-] 0 points by Barb333 (1) 2 years ago

Are there going to be anyone working on changing laws to keep this from happening again. Will the ones who caused the crisis be brought to justice?Will goals be set to keep the momentum going? How will the changed asked for be taken care of?

[-] 0 points by hbart1 (0) 2 years ago

From my understanding, Fracking is =n't dangerous if done correctly. Maybe it needs to be regulated by the government more. Regulated by a competent government. But Fracking isn't harmful when done correctly.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

imho, you are misinformed. Fracking is unsafe. it must be permanently banned!

[-] 0 points by screwthefed (0) 2 years ago

You guys do realize that that what happened in San Bruno had nothing to do with fracking right?

[-] 1 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

Way to pull a straw man...

[-] -2 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Shh. Facts make them agitated

[-] 0 points by screwthefed (0) 2 years ago

You guys do realize that that what happened in San Bruno had nothing to do with fracking right?

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[-] 0 points by Oolith (40) 2 years ago

I was pretty shocked when OWS did not even say diddles in solidarity for another, Libya had a great victory today. The whole world spoke about it. OWS voice was noticeably missing.

[-] 1 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

really?? how much do you really know? did you care about the Libyan people? did they suffer more than the Palestinians?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-15383476

who really had a victory??

try again

[-] 1 points by Oolith (40) 2 years ago

Have Libyans suffered more than USAmericans? Have they suffered more than South or Central America? It is come time to help our Americans in forming Occupations. yes?

[-] 0 points by Muaddib (6) from Nashua, NH 2 years ago

seems to me there is more evil in the world than splitting rocks with water. spread yourselves too thin and those not yet on board will think it is a movement without a cause.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

we are not spreading thin... the major issue of Fracking is entirely relevant to OWS.

[-] 0 points by qwertyuiop (3) 2 years ago

Sign the petition to STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING, goes to CITY COUNSEL MEMBER:http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-the-pipeline-stop-fracking

[-] 0 points by nparker (39) 2 years ago

"Not until the last tree has died and the last fish been caught and the last river been poisoned, will we realize that we cannot eat money."

[-] 0 points by dibson (3) 2 years ago

have you ever notice that why a famus acts like ''justin bieber'' whit all the dishonorable get forgeting 1500000 people in GAZA str. and then sends his consert's tickets for isreali childs? so Do you know that 1% that you're opposed to them are a close friend of Israel? it is intresting thad isreal always is aggression but this is Palestinians are doomed. and when they defends from them land, they are terrorist. i wanna say that please understand who is whose friend

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i agree that the 1% is friends of Isreal. i am becoming more aware of the situation in Palestine. thank you for sharing.

[-] -1 points by smartguy (180) 2 years ago

Can somebody PLEASE pass the memo that this country is a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy. There's a very important difference.

[-] -1 points by Oolith (40) 2 years ago

Why is OccupyWallStreet ignoring the Victory against corruption and greed by Libya? At the very least you could make a bland statement. How very sad and rude to ignore such a great accomplishment and hard road completed by the Libya's youth. Are we just rude Americans?

[-] 2 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

yay! CIA once again help "free" some people so private enterprise can take over oil resources... for once i'd like to see us get involved in "freeing" peoples that don't have resources we need.

---- let's celebrate

[-] 1 points by Oolith (40) 2 years ago

I would like to see the USAmerica stop funding war lords, Jesus. I would also like to see just half of our USAmerican war budget be brought home for our USAmerican use. No more freeing people. I do believe the youth are doing good at culling corruption.

[-] -1 points by benkmann (-1) 2 years ago

This event is silly, how does this add to the discussion around wealth inequality? If you want to privately organize an event fine, but why involve the whole movement in something that's so deviant from the original purpose? You'll just lose focus and cast doubt on the organization, which is something I don't want to see happen for OWS.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

this discussion is FAR from silly. It adds a lot to the topic of wealth inequality actually. Fracking is so not at all deviant from the original purpose of OWS. FRACKING fits right in as a PRIME EXAMPLE of the major issues OWS is rising up against. either you don't realize it yet cuz you don't know enough about it... or you are a troll for fracking and have vested interests in it. your post is bs to me. sorry... but i feel that. if u just r unaware and misinformed, please research! The issue of Fracking is URGENT!!! It is VERY important OWS focuses in on this issue (not only this... but most certainly this) because it IS in every way of utmost relevancy to exactly what OWS is rising up against!

[-] 1 points by tsdevi (307) 2 years ago

It seems that the people of NY who do not benefit from fracking cares about raising awareness on the subject.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

yes.

[-] -1 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

ok, a pipeline?

how about a march over to the FDA that is currently killing and drugging our entire population??

sheesh, OWS - what the heck are you doing? do you actually know who causes the most harm or are you determined to get people to waste their time on stupid small matters while ignore the BIG PROBLEMS??

you suck OWS!!

[-] 2 points by nyangeloxo (52) 2 years ago

You are absolutely right....and if you are truly passionate about this whole FDA b/s then please enlighten people about the facts of the issue. I am right there with you in this ... i think the FDA is disgusting and i believe the use of drugs is completely ruining the people and keeping them sick just for money. But lets spread the word so we CAN make a change...not just complain about how dumb the people who dont know are

[-] 3 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

i have made forum posts on Occupy the FDA - only to be ridiculed and have it removed by the OWS people, they are starting to seem a bit fishy to me

watch the documentary -- forks over knives (netflix watch instant)

i've been preaching for a long time, folks refuse to believe that Drug companies would make stuff up to get our kids on drugs for being kids and our old people on drugs for being old rather than changing diet they just add more meds, it's ridiculous

[-] 1 points by AlaskanTLR (7) 2 years ago

There was no such thing as ADD or ADHD or Oppositional whatever,or Social Anxiety or or or ... even 25 years ago. When I was a kid in the 60s, this did NOT exist. Humans cannot evolve and acquire new diseases that fast. But we can be convinced we have things we do not have ... like "emotional disorders." Drug companies and insurance companies work together on this one. If there were no payments from insurance companies,there would be no diagnosis. Case in point: ADHD grew just as fast as different insurance companies began to paid for its 'treatment 'and medications! They are working in collusion, with big banks and big govt, to keep those profits high for their shareholders, boards and CEOs. To hell with a few million human beings, I mean, we're overpopulated anyway so why not kill off a few, make the rest THINK they are crazy and then keep them drugged and ignorant . It worked, and its still working! QUIT DRUGGING YOUR KIDS, AND YOURSELVES, YA KNUCKLEHEADS! Americans fought off worse disease, worse conditions than what we have now WITHOUT all these disorders that keep getting created to account for the very real side effect of hte poverty the same group slaps us down into, more and more every day. PIA .. poverty-induced anxiety. Treament: MONEY! Medications: small round coins called CHANGE!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

i agree with a lot of your post, but actually i disagree with one thing. the intentional designed poisoning and mal-nourishment of our population can create all kind of problems in people, and very quickly. they created the problems and then provide the meds... which create other probs, for which they provide more meds, and so on... meds not being a solution of course.

[-] 1 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

thanks, I get frustrated trying to warn people about many of the things you mentioned. Not certain why everyone wants to pretend that FDA officials, doctors and big pharma would never do such a thing.

The irony is that MOST of the drugs they put us AND our kids on are dangerous and have many horrific side effects, yet they have no problem prescribing it to them - BUT if a kid gets caught smoking a joint they lose the ability to get money for college, join the military (not that they should want to be bullet sponges and help big corps steal from other countries) - get fined and/or put in prison.

the DEA is another corrupt organization and no matter Democrat or Republican they all refuse to do anything about this cause it means bigger profits at the expense of the tax payer.

the idea is to bankrupt social services and blame the poor.

[-] 1 points by nyangeloxo (52) 2 years ago

Ok im definitely going to watch forks over knives, I think my mom actually mentioned that to me the other day so it's funny you bring it up. I dont understand why your comments would be ridiculed and removed...what did you say?! Regardless do not let it get you down, i think what you are doing is great...keep posting on here since none of the posts have been removed. Drug companies are the scum of the earth they profit off of sickness. Dasani [coca cola], monsanto, FDA all need to be exposed. Our planet and health of our people are both suffering. Im really glad to know that other people out there are not gonna stand for the fda and all its bullshit

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

big oil = big bottled water = big pharma = fda = etc... revolving door. all the same criminal creeps.

[-] 1 points by nyangeloxo (52) 2 years ago

and we will take them down!! ;]

[-] 1 points by AlaskanTLR (7) 2 years ago

You got that ALL right!

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

no u suck! yes, fda and big pharma are major issues... but so is fracking. FRACKING IS AN EXTREMELY URGENT TIME SENSITIVE MAJOR ISSUE!!! It is prime example of what OWS is rising up against. do your research for heaven's sake!!! geesh!

[-] 1 points by jameswestonmusic (222) from Los Angeles, CA 2 years ago

one part of the problem, yet still needs to be addressed. How about joining a constructive conversation instead up bashing. WWJD sucka

[-] 1 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

you wanna know more go to http://wesower.org and spread the word

[-] -1 points by Akilleez (1) 2 years ago

You should start a rally against chem trails.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

chemtrails is also a significant major issue for OWS.

[-] 0 points by nyangeloxo (52) 2 years ago

Brilliant !!

[-] -2 points by occupythisnow (-4) 2 years ago

your all a bunch of idiots go and get a job and get out of the public park, your are actully the stupidest people ive ever heard of in my life. dont like being the 99% get off your fucking lazy asses and change that, noone became the 1% by magic its called work and not sleeping in a park ....LOSERS

[-] 2 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

it's ok my child, Jesus is coming to save us, again...

http://wesower.org

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

"no one" is two words,idiot.loser lazy ass. wow ,look at my genius post here.

[-] -2 points by occupythisnow (-4) 2 years ago

your all a bunch of idiots go and get a job and get out of the public park, your are actully the stupidest people ive ever heard of in my life. dont like being the 99% get off your fucking lazy asses and change that, noone became the 1% by magic its called work and not sleeping in a park ....LOSERS

[-] 1 points by AlaskanTLR (7) 2 years ago

3.3 percent of people who had a job in 2007, or one in every 30, went all of 2010 without earning a dollar. In addition to the 5.2 million people who no longer have any work add roughly 4.5 million people who, due to population growth, would normally join the workforce in three years and you have close to 10 million workers who did not find even an hour of paid work in 2010. Do YOU really think this is just a few folks who are lazy?! Quit defending the 1% ... they are out to get YOU and already have. If you keep letting them hurt others, you do realize: YOU ARE NEXT!

[-] 1 points by AlphaOfTheOmegas (1) 2 years ago

Scraping by in a dying system...you want a cookie?

Or would you rather change the world? Up to you.

[-] 0 points by nparker (39) 2 years ago

If that's how it is suppose to be than why do corporate CEOs make huge salaries with little or no effort. They are clearly not working their asses off. Way to go to that kid though. If they feel they are not included we will still fight for them. That's how we roll.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

the kid wouldn't show his face... and yeah, good for you kid! he doesn't seem to be very aware of a lot of things though... too buzy working his ass off to look around him and see outside of his own experience.

[-] 0 points by benkmann (-1) 2 years ago

Yes thank God this person likely had loving parents, a good support system, etc to help him (or her) develop into an informed person who is wise with money and has a strong sense of personal responsibility.

Why doesn't this person help to teach people how they can make good decisions as well, instead of posting signs on the Internet about how its their responsibility? All the latter will do is build walls as opposed to break them down.

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

good points.

[-] -2 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

This is silly. Fracking is a 20 year old method to get gas out of the ground. It is safe - having nearly zero risk to "contaminate ground water".

What is the alternative?

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

u r misinformed. they are employing newer totally unsafe methods. the fracking industry should not be allowed to get any funding from us tax $. we should instead put our tax $ into truly sustainable green safe source solutions.

[-] -2 points by betuadollar (-313) 2 years ago

I'm not in favor of the use of such words or phrases as "Die-In." Because let's face it, if anybody did happen to just smoke a terrorist pipe bomb, there'd be absolute anarchy - the left would blame the right, the right would blame the left, everyone would blame the Frackers or the 1%. We'd be unraveling conspiracy theory for the next fifty years...

[-] -2 points by tesn1 (212) 2 years ago

FIX the Laws and take away the perpetuation of the problem. The overall voice is complaining about the inequity of the laws, But Noone will stand up and demand an Audit of the Laws and codes to correct the imbalance. A dichotomy is forming among the protesters that will ultimately undue the OWS movement.

Arab Spring had a focus, OWS is an unfocussed mess!

[-] 2 points by aaronparr (612) 2 years ago

I think the unfocussed mess is your comment.

[-] -1 points by jesus2012 (3) 2 years ago

i think the OWS is a distraction from the real problems in FDA - DEA and EPA

when are we going to occupy them??

it's not just banks ruining our country, these other "government" organizations are literally killing us...

Occupy That --- starting to feel that OWS is a ploy by CIA (also killing us)

[-] -3 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

This movement's credibility is already in free fall, and nonsense like this will only accelerate it. It shows that the leadership is emotion-based, rather than fact-based, and ready to jump on any faddish movement.

Energy, obtained from hydrocarbons, is responsible for the every-increasing wealth, health, and clean environment that we enjoy. We in the US are NOT destroying the planet - our technology is continuously improving the environmental impact of humans.

[-] 2 points by GarnetMoon (424) 2 years ago

Get out of here, troll...

[-] 1 points by peacefulwarrior (86) 2 years ago

thanks garnet. i'll add: get out of here trolls!