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Happy Birthday Occupy! Rolling Jubilee abolishes $3.85m in Corinthian Colleges students' loan debt

Posted 1 year ago on Sept. 17, 2014, 10:25 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Tags: RollingJubilee

Please read and share this wonderful news about the Rolling Jubilee as reported in the Guardian. Then click here for a brief history of the Rolling Jubilee and the activist-tactic of buying and forgiving debt.

Over the last few days, over 2,700 Everest College students woke up to find that someone had paid off their private student debt.

This was no act of goodwill by the government, which is currently suing Everest parent Corinthian Colleges for its predatory lending practices. Nor is it a gift from Everest itself, which is expected to shutter its doors and possibly leave 72,000 students out of their time and tuition.

Instead, the disappearing student loan debt is the second major piece of financial activism by a group of Occupy Wall street activists.

To inspire Americans with student debt to unionize, the Rolling Jubilee Fund, a project of Strike Debt, has purchased and abolished a portfolio of private student loans issued to Everest students.

Strike Debt is also launching a new initiative – The Debt Collective, which will “create a platform for organization, advocacy and resistance by debtors”.

“Solutions are not going to happen if we just wait for Congress to do it,” says Thomas Gokey, one of the organizers “We need a social movement. We need debtors to unite to exert collective power.”

The portfolio was valued at – to be exact – $3,856,866.11 in student debt.

In the vast scheme of things, $3.8m is barely a drop in the bucket as the student debt owed by Americans has now surpassed $1tn.

The gesture, however, is meant to be symbolic as it proves that debt can be conquered – and at a discount. Rolling Jubilee bought the $3.8m worth of student loans for a total of $106,709.48 in cash. That’s about 3¢ for $1 of student debt.

“The Rolling Jubilee doesn’t actually solve the problem. The Rolling Jubilee is a tactic and a valuable one because it exposes how debt operates,” says Gokey.

“It punches a hole through the morality of debt, through this idea that you owe X amount of dollars that the 1% says you owe. In reality, that debt is worth significantly less. The 1% is selling it to each other at bargain-based prices. You don’t actually owe that.”

The 1% in this scenario are the companies issuing private student loans and the debt buyers, who often purchase student loan portfolios like the one purchased by the Rolling Jubilee.

Read the rest of the story at The Guadian and explore the movement history of the Rolling Jubilee.

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[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

Awesome! The people can do what the government won't!

Debt forgiveness is an ancient concept. Governments from thousands of years ago understood it's necessity. Today, sadly, they just want to continue to exploit and extract.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

''#ScotlandDecides against monetising its wind, wave, hydro, oil + a resource backed 'Scotcoin' & a Public Banking Option! So Banksters Win!'' = my last tweet on the matter & the one prior to that was :

''As #ScotlandDecides against #scottishindependence in the #indyref - it seems Tony BLiar had you scared as per his threat - https://twitter.com/haysham/status/510093011293052928/photo/1 !''

Sad state of affairs for many reasons imo - but too tired to explain why right now.

However, Strong Solidarity @ http://rollingjubilee.org/ & http://strikedebt.org/ ~*~

spero meliora ...

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

"If what started in Scotland this late summer is not to disappear by midwinter, it is its spirit that has to be nurtured and replenished. Simply defined, that spirit was the determination to ask people a profound, even existential question: not to trap them in the weeds of this tax cut or that benefit change, but to ask them what kind of society they want to be. Such questions need not be only about identity. Sometimes, as perhaps in Scotland, they can be about both identity and the desire to live under a different, more just economic system. If this extraordinary moment is to last, that’s what we have to remember: that if you want people to come up with the biggest answers, you have to trust them with the biggest questions."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/19/scotland-glorious-revolution-westminster-anoraks-debate

I only wish the global left were strong enough to prevent the debt in the first place. I fear that the Scots will be joining England and the U.S. in the near future in indebting their students. Strike debt is a great thing, but hell, we have to create a society where debt is not necessary for survival, in the first place.

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Money is like inches and ounces - an abstract, arbitrary - yet commonly accepted metric for measuring 'wealth' but it is not 'wealth' per se. Until ''the global left'' have clarified their critique of 'money' itself - and therefore by extension 'debt' .. then we will always be playing catch up and the initiative will remain with The Banksters & their lackeys in the mainstream political parties and media in 'USUK' etc.

Thanx for your link, which I'd read in my hard copy of The Guardian and in compliment .. I will append and recommend these two excellent articles by Ellen Brown ; the very recent first re. 'Public Banking' and Scotland and the second, an older eye opening piece from a year after OWS' start :

Scotland had a unique opportunity to strike a blow at Banksters for The 99%. Sadly, they let 'fear' rule.

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 7 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

"...a stunning 35 percent to 40 percent of everything we buy goes to interest. This interest goes to bankers, financiers, and bondholders, who take a 35 percent to 40 percent cut of our GDP. That helps explain how wealth is systematically transferred from Main Street to Wall Street. The rich get progressively richer at the expense of the poor, not just because of "Wall Street greed," but because of the inexorable mathematics of our private banking system."

Sigh. Everyone needs to understand that. End debt slavery now!

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

"The protests began after the Jefferson County School Board announced it was considering reviewing the curriculum of Advanced Placement history courses and adding more material to, quote, "promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights," unquote"

Honestly, these idiots are only going to understand that the financialization and privatization of everything under the sun is not a good thing for the masses when they are out on the street with their can.

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Can you tell me why ...

So let's recap shall we ...

Cost of Not Going to College = ''great income disparity'' :

The ''financialization and privatisation'' just can't go on like this ^i^ People are waking up ~*~

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 9 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

"Can you tell me why do we allow private companies to create money out of nothing and then we borrow that money from them and pay interest on it...when money could be created free of debt and for the public interest?"

"So let's recap shall we: Private bankers create money and debt out of thin air and the rest of you destroy each other and your planet in order to repay them."

Major truths that needs to be understood by the people!

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Student Debt & Inequality are arguably two of the most pressing economic issue of our times and many thanx for your clear enunciation above & also fyi :

As a very good friend of mine once said : "Share with others, live a life where less is more, base your life on love, not fear. If we'd all do that, most of our problems'd disappear" ~*~

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

The GOP just won the Senate and you babble about this bullshit no wonder the forum has died.

MAJOR TRUTH? Corporations just had a huge win. that's truth!

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

Fact check. Democrats and Republicans are the SAME with regard to the creation of money and debt and the entitlements of bankers. Get that through your thick head.

And, corporations will continue to win until the American people stand up and fight back and overturn the status quo.

[-] 6 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

he will never get anything through his thick head. he is incapable of thought - you on the other hand are on the money! no pun intended

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

haha

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

money has become the reason for inaction

for example

the people could build and run public hospitals

but the government won't use money to pay them

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

everyone likes to tell people what to believe you need not be part of big media to like that, as far as people not caring that happens when people say "they're all the same" talk like that causes people not to care so I guess a lot of posters here are just like big media working to keep people from caring...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

0 points by MattHolck0 (1766) 7 hours ago they know representative don't vote ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

when the people don't care about what happens their "representatives" repersent by doing the same if people gave a damn they could change it they just don't give a damn

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

big media likes to tell the public what to believe

it's more convenient if the people don't care

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

the people could get off their butts and vote too, little chance of that.....

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

they know representative don't vote

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

http://grist.org/climate-energy/to-watch-jon-stewart-burn-house-climate-deniers-is-to-fall-in-love-all-over-again/

yeah they're the same,,,bullshit it is because of blind idiots like you the polar bears are drowning

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago
[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

40 years of the march of unfettered capitalism under a political system where our only choices have been Democrats and Republicans is WHY the polar bears are drowning!

[-] -3 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago
[+] -8 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

idiots like you and Nader that couldn't find a difference between Al Gore and W Bush are why the polar bears are drowning,

the entire system you hate could be brought down if people like you would get their heads out of their asses and quick being taken in by a bunch of political hacks and actually do something to change the status quo.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

You have to think much bigger than that, factsrfun.

https://occupywallst.org/forum/russell-brand-nails-it/

Here's Russell Brand speaking to someone like yourself who has blinders on and just can't see the forest for the trees:

"You don’t have to listen to my political point of view. But it’s not that I’m not voting out of apathy. I’m not voting out of absolute indifference and weariness and exhaustion from the lies, treachery, deceit of the political class that has been going on for generations now and which has now reached fever pitch, where we have a disenfranchised, disillusioned, despondent underclass that are not being represented by that political system. So, voting for it is tacit complicity with that system, and that’s not something I’m offering up."

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

What was Gore's take on the polar bears as him and Billy were shipping all those manufacturing facilities to zero regulation countries?

Or right, they werent worried about it all.

[+] -7 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Get a Unicorn and fuck it day and night you crazy idiot!!!

[-] 9 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

You are a disgusting person. How dare you talk to me like that. You didn't get your way, wah wah, so you'll try bullying. It will never work. The Dems are the same as the Reps. That's why we're in this mess and until we wake up to that fact as a nation, we'll never get out of it!

[+] -6 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

No, you crazy idiot, we are in this mess because weak minded people like yourself don't see what is going on right before them in plain sight. You idiots get played, and the rest of us have to pay! Where is Darwin when you need him?! You probably don't know that RepubliCons do everything they can to suppress Votes, deny science and Climate Destabilization, or have all but eradicated abortion clinics in southern states leaving women with NO CHOICE, and hundreds of other dreadful things Dems don't do. YOU'VE BEEN PLAYED! AKA: BRAIN WASHED!

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

Democrats haven't done nearly enough. They talk a lot but they do nothing. This is because they've moved to the right. They're weak. So, quit telling me how great they are. They are a huge let down.

[+] -6 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Really? you really think that? or are you lying to build a party? it is sad indeed that there are people as stupid as to not know that the GOP work day and night to make the rich richer and the Dems don't if you don't know that, that is a sad fact indeed

[-] 6 points by SerfingUSA (451) 1 year ago

The DNC has got to be bankrolling your activity here.

Someone would have to be unimaginably ignorant or unimaginably gullible to still believe the Democraps care about the 99%.

[-] 6 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

^hates democracy

[+] -9 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

suck some other cock

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

And the onion sheds another layer....

[-] 3 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

Omg you just channeled ?...Limbaugh? I thought you were working for the DNC but now I think you may be astro turfing. Not unicorns...noooo ....as mythical as a wingnut with an anal fissure? In actuality the unicorn is the metaphorical representation of liberal logic according to the neo cons ( feeling and rainbows and unicorns...oh my). Ok you might have revealed your true self there ws. Say that doesn't stand for wall street does it?

[+] -5 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Because anyone advocating liberal-progressivism and chastising the idiots who didn't Vote allowing even more fascists to destroy our government must be a ditto-head working for Wall Street! That's a reach around rim-job diarrhea fart elf facial. Enjoy

[-] 5 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

No because anyone who regularly goes to vote ( like me) deserves to have more than the lesser of two evils. Democrats are so disjointed giving corporations and minorities a dual reach around...they can probably do their own now. Btw republicans have started doing the same thing knowing minorities will become the majority. Action speaks louder than words,but you know what speaks even louder? Silence, complete, pc , don't step on any toes or make any waves, maintain status quo, I need campaign money, and votes , and to advance my political pull so I can clear the big bucks for myself silence Even worse they think we are too dumb to realize when they say one thing and do another ...or when they ignore an entire country of working class people mired in struggle and secretly promote the trans pacific partnership job killer and do nothing to reign in outsourcing, monopolies , or mergers or war profiteering. And when we all sink into poverty as our wages stagnate yet another year they continue to promise the working class alone will continue to fund safety nets for the inner city, the unemployed and downtrodden, highways and roads, corpirate giveaways, and oh yeah themselves. Federal pension anyone? And dont forget they have to keep their government crony workers fat too. Contract anyone/ government position? Commence speeches on importance of business and the business community and how tax breaks to companies create more jobs. Because nothing spells progressive like - trickldown...? Huh?...And how corpirations are going to get more money billions in fact to build Cabrini Green Housing (that one is for all you lucky inner city kids) yay communist block housing and more service sector jobs to supplement those wonderous living quarters. (Who needs upward mobility when you have all this!)They have ignored the fact that helping the poor doesn't mean shit when the people who pay taxes to do that, are treading water and living paycheck to paycheck not sure if they will get downsized one month to the next. They know this. They ignore us because if they acknowledge it instead of dancing around it every way possible...then they might have to grow the balls and speak about it, and actually do something...ALL politicians are but a shareholding for corpirations...who all want a return payout and if they don't get it they pull their funds. You see they aren't thinking about what happens when the working class sinks and can't hold up the country anymore.politicians will be taken care of...they have a life raft. Maybe politicians need to know what its like to live now on a working class income never accumulating enough to build upon or grow it or to be poor not having any way forward from the service sector to become self reliant and both poor and middleclass never knowing what the instability of a trickldown corporate lick boot economy will bring...!!!

100 ways to say nuts

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=26606

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cojones

Service sector jobs = no future

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/03/24/minimum-wage-rent-affordable-housing/6817639/

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/personal-finance/7-things-the-middle-class-cant-afford-anymore.html/?a=viewall&ref=OB

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[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

No kidding jack ass, they ALWAYS have a huge win.

[+] -6 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

with soldiers like you out on the field no wonder they do so well

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Lol ya I'm the problem... Go bark at the bathroom mirror some more you loon.

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I can see you are filled with joy knowing your boys are back in charge of the Senate, you and the many Dem haters like you, people like you keep us divided and losing

[-] 2 points by grapes (4518) 1 year ago

The burden is now on the GOP to deliver the goods. Last time around, it had the exclusive control of both Houses of Congress and the Presidency and that did not help much (9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Stasi state, tax cuts for the eelites, piling on of national debt, financial scams, Great Recession).

Of course, the donkeys (or were they actually asses? - frankly I love horses but not so much into distinguishing between mules, asses, donkeys, etc. They may as well all be Santa's reindeer. Or are they actually elks? :/ ) were given the same privilege and that did not help much (financial criminals precipating the Great Recession got their balance sheets puffed up by the government; jail was reserved for the little people).

This time it will be different again!

[+] -4 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

What the fuck do you think you're talking about!? Fool!

THE 1%-GOP WON BIG TIME with "9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Stasi state, tax cuts for the eelites, piling on of national debt, financial scams, Great Recession." That was the greatest theft/robbery/bank/real estate/war profiteering HEIST in WORLD fucking HISTORY!!!!!!! Fool!

Then they used the stolen funds to CU and propagandize the American People into thinking everything was either the Dems fault or that all Politicians in Government were the same. Unbelievably, 2/3 of the electorate FELL FOR IT!!! Liar.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-politician-and-electorate-information-gap/

[+] -7 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

the burden is as it always is, on the American people to pay attention and ensure they get the government they deserve as they always do, today many on this site that hate the Dems can celebrate of course the world suffers as it always does when too few do too little to defeat the GOP

[-] 1 points by grapes (4518) 1 year ago

Rather than focusing the attention of what hands are pulling the levers of power, the electorate should focus on the "fruits" as advised by rabbi Jesus.

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

ahh trust in the Monarchy eh?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4518) 1 year ago

There is no Monarchy to trust. There are just good age-old time-tested teachings to follow. The belief in the Monarchy helped preserve the knowledge and wisdom of the ancient Greeks and Romans (the Islamic world also preserved much of that) and pulled the West out of the Dark Ages to enter the glorious Renaissance. Beliefs had real world-altering effects regardless of whether Jesus is Son of God, whether God exists, etc.

I thank the Church and the Islamic world for having preserved history and ancient learnings so if I accord respect to ancient teachings, you will understand why. God is great or Allahu Akbar are both fine with me even if there may be nothing to God or Allah. Truths are eternal and even misplaced faith can be correct at least sometimes.

[+] -7 points by timeforabigchange (-43) from Winnipeg, MB 1 year ago

Wow, interesting.

Can you clarify a bit? Where's the quote from, and what interest are they talking about? Does it have a name? I want to checkup on this. I agree everyone needs to understand it.

[-] 7 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

You don't really care about the quote. Please don't pretend that you do. You're just a snide troll looking to kick up some sh-t here which is all you ever do.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

unnecessary complications through poor communication is not an honest business

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[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

right on man. i do think that the understanding of money is one of our basic problems. i was at the march yesterday - nyc is announcing a big green initiative to be accomplished by 2025 (oops i found out it's 2050 - what's the hurry) or some such date. the reason we have to g"go slow" is the "we don't have the money!" many at the march feel that way and too many here do also. the fed should "rpint" the money just like they did to give to the banks and we should attack climate change like we did ww2. it would put people to work and drive down the use of fossil fuels - we could then keep them in the ground for the future - we will need them in the future - i am sure of it.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

"This is Not a Free Market" by Dr. Michael Hudson :

I strongly agree with you re. ''understanding money is one of our basic problems'', hence the links above. Sometimes the oldies are the goldies. Great you went to NYC on Sunday (21st Sept. '14). I tried to join in on 'LiveStream' for Monday's 'Flood Wall Street' event which was perhaps a li'l less stage managed and polite and ended with mass arrests - but all are useful as future actions will have to take many paths towards the same destination. Also re. ''Flood Wall Street'', please see :

pax et lux ; nunc et semper ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

yes we need more flood wall street actions and stronger. our passive marching will not move obama and his crew - that is for sure. what a sad sack that man has become. or maybe he always was? i am not in a position to quit my job and commit to creating the change we need - like helen caldicott and others. true heros - and how about mario savio - did he hit the nail on the head or what? “There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.” ― Mario Savio

[-] 0 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Excellent Mario Savio reference :-) Thanx for that flip & I just used your comment in its entirety here :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

nice one! amazing to think he had a terrible stammer at one time in every day conversation. also sad to think how easy it would be to shut the country down and shake our leaders out of their stupor. it is amazing how the ruling class has reasserted its dominance since that time. f the fsm, the port huron statement and the uprising of the 60's and 70's has been beaten down to the point where this fuck in the white house can bomb 7 countries while sitting on his nobel peace prize! as for krugman - i read him most of the time mondays and fridays and like his attacks on the gop and the nut jobs funding them but he is a mainstream economist. he would really fight tooth and nail against the true ows thinking of graeber and alan watts. anyway thanks for that - always good to get a response from you - i get to many that are just simple stupid and time wasters.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

I never knew Mario Savio had a stammer but I did know smooth, soul voiced Bill Withers had a stammer because I'd watched an awesome documentary about the man & despite being a li'l off-topic, I am going append links to that documentary here, as it is such an exceptional and moving piece of work :

Thanx for your kind words and in solidarity and more in keeping with the OP, I submit for your attention, the following by the ever excellent Yves Smith from http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/ :

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

it's a negative exponential game

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Is 'Compound Interest Extraction' a .. ''negative exponential game'' ? Perhaps consider ...

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Germany showing the way

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2014/10/01/3574551/germany-free-college-tuition/

“We got rid of tuition fees because we do not want higher education which depends on the wealth of the parents,”

Chicago (lotta germans their too) taking a step

http://www.universityherald.com/articles/11766/20141002/chicago-mayor-announces-free-community-college-tuition-plan.htm

"Mayor Emanuel and City Colleges of Chicago (CCC) Chancellor Cheryl Hyman announced the Chicago Star Scholarship, a program that will help ensure more Chicago public high school students are "able to pursue the dream of college without accumulating burdensome debt."

Small progress that came from all our efforts.

Canada deserves credit. Remember that protest almost 3 years ago?

http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/blog/2012/jul/09/international-fees

"In May and June of 2012, students in Quebec, en masse, expressed their displeasure with plans to increase tuition fees. Léo Charbonneau provides an anatomy of the demonstrations"

Years of hard work in the streets and the voting booth lay ahead.

Solidarity

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Rejecting extreme partisanship in the way the peoples representatives (HA!) address this issue would be a good start in breaking corp control of the peoples government.

http://www.redandblack.com/uganews/lack-of-progress-on-student-loan-reform-due-to-partisan/article_5b680008-48ec-11e4-91df-0017a43b2370.html

“I talk to a lot of my friends about this and they say Congress doesn’t address issues that really about the youth, and I refer them any time any politician talks about raising the retirement age on Medicare or cutting benefits Social Security they get just pummeled because older people go out and vote,” Hall said. “Not enough young people go out and vote so where elected officials have to start paying attention to the main issues we care about.”

Sounds like a good reason to have compulsory voting.

Absolutely shows we should retire all pols against student debt relief.

But mostly illustrates the need to get in the streets and online to pressure all pols & all corps to end this destructive debt bomb.

Peace

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

voting holiday

Caliph means king

extreme is a news buzz adjective meaning "Very Very"

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

& extremism has served corps interests by facilitating blockage of any progressive action.

http://www.theshorthorn.com/news/senate-partisanship-kills-effort-to-reduce-student-loan-debt/article_4bb65572-f8ad-11e3-bbcf-0017a43b2370.html

And many other issues.

Retire anti student relief pols,

[+] -7 points by anarkette (24) from Boston, MA 1 year ago

What are you, some kind of fake version of shadz66? There are more puppets on this site than during a kidz puppet show.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

ThaT's jusT Trash Talk ! You or jart destroyed my previous moniker but noThing has changed !! I'm still me and you're still a muppeT !!!

temet nosce...

[+] -6 points by anarkette (24) from Boston, MA 1 year ago

You are like my echo, my shadow. Always coming to the same conclusions I do, but months or years after me. You finally figured out the Twinkle Team was bad, you finally figured out jart was too controlling and not community driven, you finally figured out she wasn't into OWS ideologies anymore, hopefully, you can also figure out 9/11 conspiracy theories are complete bunk. You are a good student. I hope you keep improving in the right direction. You have shown much improvement in your reasoning this year, I congratulate you.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

You are 'The Shadow' here, Trashy-Troll-BoT !!! As ever - I am happy to lighT up your sorry arse tho' !! Your clear narcissism ; abject egomania and palpable Tyrannical Tendencies are clear for all to see but you still serve a purpose here on this forum re. the agon, despite your being like a fart in an elevator and trying to occupy all the space available on the forum !

From the get-go, I was hip to 'The DNC / Likud Faction' here just as I was hip to you. No one here likes talking about 9/!! here more than you ... you nappy headed numpTy - so here's my 'meme-equation' for your continued befuddlement and ongoing education :

ad iudicium et temet nosce ...

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[-] 5 points by Revolutionary (308) 1 year ago

Happy birthday to the Occupy wall street /occupy movement! YOU shall save the AMERICA,you shall save the WORLD,hope that shall happen soon

[-] 2 points by grapes (4518) 1 year ago

Inequality will be in the world's limelight, now that Ebola has wedded Dallas, Texas, U.S.A. to Liberia's hot zone. We will soon see if the world's 1% can isolate themselves from the 99% as a decades old "poor Black African" disease spreads. Will skin colors matter? Will ethnic origin make a difference? Will the high positive balance in the bank account save the 1%? Have the 1% built BSL-4 containment facilities to live in?

[-] 4 points by Revolutionary (308) 1 year ago

We are fighting with the enemy of the humanity who is very less intelligent but extremely powerful which is like a toddler carrying nuclear weapons/their control == what I mean to say is that this toddler can be controlled but we need patience to use our wits .we can change strategy , we can merge strategies , we can superimpose plans to achieve our good objectives to save the humanity from capitalism and destruction.And ablve all we must never feel defeated rather the evil is afraid of us.

[-] 4 points by grapes (4518) 1 year ago

The enemy is afraid of us because it can never ever build enough of the so-called "BSL-4 Containment Facilities" to live in. The master is always chained to his slaves. Those who built the system know how to or are foolish enough to destroy the system. There is no fool-proof system because fools or otherwise anything that can happen will happen in due time. The only escape is to change the "potential energy barrier" configuration.

[-] 4 points by Revolutionary (308) 1 year ago

Your true statement s must have made the enemies / enemy of humanity tremble with fear and must have been force d to calculate the the time of their defeat! I think I should have wished happy new year to all people who wish to defeat the enemy of humanity. HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

"‘We need permanent revolution’: how Thomas Piketty became 2014’s most influential thinker", by Owen Jones :

Today [1/1/15] - it was announced that Thomas Piketty has refused 'La Légion d'Honneur' - France's highest award, saying .. "I do not think it is the government's role to decide who is honourable" ergo, Huge Respect to Mr. Piketty for not allowing the 'Establishment' to force him to be 'Recuperated Into The Spectacle' + fyi, see :

You've been here a long time & so solidarity at you & yours 'Revolutionary'. We all need a New Politics that is holistic and fuses The Political with the Ethical, Moral, Spiritual and Environmental and with this in mind, I append fyi :

Vive La Revolution !!! Viva 'Los Indignados' !! Solidarity !

ommm mane padme hummm ; ommmmm shaaantiii ...

[-] 2 points by Revolutionary (308) 1 year ago

You are right that we need to use more of our brain to defeat the enemies of humanity and after defeating the enemies of humanity.All problems can ge solved through persistence and in the belief that only we can save the humanity from destruction.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

"We all need a New Politics that is holistic and fuses The Political with the Ethical, Moral, Spiritual and Environmental"

Shadz has that right. Nice to see you Revolutionary. Will humans rise to the occasion and fight back en masse against the few greedy grubbers? Will our economic system put people over profits? These are momentous times.

In a watershed moment in America, for the first time, more than 50% of America's schoolchildren live in poverty.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/16/southern-education-foundation-children-poverty_n_6489970.html

That statistic brought a tear to my eye this morning. The absolute abject failure of our capitalistic economic system is evident right there in that number.

All this while 85 human beings have as much wealth as the bottom half of earth's population or 3.5 billion people

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/20/oxfam-85-richest-people-half-of-the-world

Sad.

[-] 4 points by Revolutionary (308) 1 year ago

The whole humanity is looking forward very earnestly towards the people of USA to save them from the contemporary governance system and the capitalism .Only the American people can do it.Then then the future generation would dream of being a part of you -of the revolution. Your first two lines are the way out to stop the one percent to control the 99percent who use the instrument of control ie money to control the people.Let me here add a joke about the unnecessary importance that the money the instrument of control has been given as under:Descartes once said something like 'I think therefore I exist' I say for the sake of joking 'I do not have money therefore I do not exist'.Let me directly add thay the use of the contemporary money is a human rights violation.

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

"I do not have money therefore I do not exist'. Let me directly add that the use of the contemporary money is a human rights violation."

Worth repeating. Well put Revolutionary. In the end, we are all victims of Financial Terrorism. Thank you for your deep insights. We Americans do realize our part in all of this. Peace and Solidarity to you and yours. May we find a way out of the morass soon so our children and grandchildren can live lives with love and generosity and peace and hope.

[-] 5 points by Revolutionary (308) 8 months ago

World revolution is possible and we have to make it imminent through scientific methods to involve people in the process.We need a modern revolution using minds not necessarily mouths for example we have to prove it mathematically that how much imminent it is.that is how quickly can we transfer our good ideas and methods to the people.We have to go step by step better system by system.we can make simulation of revolution than coming on the roads.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22558) 8 months ago

The question is: How do we get people to care? When they are in the muck of what society tells them, brainwashed by MSM? When our economic system keeps so many people down?

Did you know that Cuba has produced a vaccine for cancer?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/cuba-lung-cancer-vaccine_n_7267518.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/body/cubas-inventive-vaccine-could-treat-more-than-just-lung-cancer/

They've had it for years. I can only think that the greed and drive for profit in our capitalistic healthcare system prevented it from coming here.

[-] 2 points by Revolutionary (308) 8 months ago

To simulate the revolution one should take the assumption that all types of resources are at your disposal rather can be controlled or are at the disposal of the say thinker/system which convenes the revolution. Resources can be classified in any way convenient to the thinker(to think clearly)/system necessary for the initiation, propagation and culmination of the revolution. Our humane philosophy(which has always to be updated) shall drive the peoples revolution. What is and what has been happening so far is that the people have been reduced to animal like responses/thinking while at the same time they are being fed that they are treated as human beings or respond really freely.We have to proceed scientifically, classifying resources and classifying the attributes of the people needed for all steps of revolution—it is like running a parallel government which cannot be seen to be like that rather it shall be labeled as a parallel government by the 1% who control and enjoy resources directly or indirectly because we may have rather will have to use the visible or invisible things to replace the use of money in our circles or outside! India is attempting to kill me through radiation and slow poison and sometimes the police threatens to kill me through a roadside bomb or government hired hooligans therefore my chances to contribute to the simulation of the world revolution are lesser.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22558) 7 months ago

Bernie Sanders is organizing such phone calls as you speak of below. I, personally, was on a phone call with 500 supporters all for the political revolution. And, I was invited to a conference call which I couldn't make but which had 10,000 revolutionaries supporting Bernie's platform to control Wall Street, break up the banks, institute real healthcare for all, free education, etc. 10,000 revolutionaries on the phone with Bernie at the same time!!

There is an awakening in this country right now. The establishment may still push their way to victory, of course, but they do so at their peril. And, we sit this one out at our peril. I encourage all lefties to get involved with Bernie's campaign. We don't have much time.

It's always nice to hear from you, revolutionary! Great ideas.

[-] 3 points by Viking (394) 7 months ago

Newsflash: Sarah Palin just endorsed Donald Trump. That's a marriage made in hell. Ironically Palin's son, Track appeared in court today in Alaska, after being arrested last night on domestic violence and weapons charges!! Sorry, I can't help, but laugh.

http://gawker.com/track-palin-was-charged-with-assault-last-night-1753857153

[-] 1 points by Revolutionary (308) 6 months ago

The delay is a very sorry state of affairs created by India by exposing me to intense radiations from radioactive sources put by India in order to kill me! Now India threatens to kill me in darkness! However, today I discovered perhaps the first sentence of my article' how to start a beautiful world' as follows: It is not the revolution as history has witnessed but a 'Revolutionary Rehabilitation Program' for all the people (including the 1%who control the present system--they should not get disappointed).we shall rehabilitate Mr. Bill Gates too who sounds too philanthropic--i am 100% sure he shall never refuse the offer!!!!!!). Moreover,talking to thousands of people is nice but we need to have at least three trustworthy friends to build the the pyramid of friends made up of triangular shapes(which are inside a big triangle rather make a big one,corners of inside triangles represent people) with the base called as G zero,followed by G one,G two etc where each stage has different functions to perform but upper stages have special selection processes which could be continuous.We have got Basic Pyramid and other Pyramids for special functions all (of whose tips) touching the top tip.I need more time to write it fully which consists of few pages.What we have to remember is that things are easy but people do not know!or believe in that the things could be so easy.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22558) 8 months ago

Hmmm. Well, I think a simulation is a place to start. Start setting up the world the way you want it to be. Work outside of the establishment structures especially with regard to the economy and the political system. It will take a long time. Bernie Sanders, though running as a Democrat is clearly not your average Democrat and hence is a good example of trying to take back the resources for the people. He is not an establishment candidate and that is why he is getting basically zero tv coverage although millions of Americans are following him.

[-] 4 points by Revolutionary (308) 7 months ago

We can use many methods to change the setup of the governance but first the easier ones which need lesser effort,naturally but there is a threshold of effort we must make in order to save the humanity from destruction.What we need initially is the bond of friendship and sympathy between people say a manageable group of 5 or six at a time who are already familiar with each other daily biding good morning/evening or meeting or discussing.The beauty lies in the idea that each one is the convener of his/her personal group who invites more people to his group on phone or other social media to appreciate and to inculcate the humane values in them.Each of the invitee shall be requested to convene such a group of his her friends.We may or may not start to say good morning revolution as one chooses to.Eventually the 1% shall beg us and say "a simulation is a place to start and just do it"! Things are easy but complicated.I mean it is very easy to over throw the present system of governance!I shall come up with a brief within this week,I hope so.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22558) 6 months ago

Thanks for your reply, above, revolutionary. India has its problems, as does America. It is up to the people to bring the necessary change and yes, I agree, having trustworthy friends is an important early step in making change. Good luck you you.

And, in solidarity with the 99% all over the globe here is Yanis Varoufakis on Capitalism and how it will "eat" democracy. Worth watching:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44093.htm

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22558) 7 months ago

I think you are right, revolutionary. The revolution we need is one of the heart and mind. It must start between us human beings. Changing the way all humans think and see the world away from one of fear and greed and toward love and generosity is how this revolution blossoms. Working outside the system to bring this about is primary, then working within the system to change the system will follow after.

[-] 3 points by Revolutionary (308) 8 months ago

To simulate the revolution one should take the assumption that all types of resources are at your disposal rather can be controlled or are at the disposal of the say thinker/system which convenes the revolution. Resources can be classified in any way convenient to the thinker(to think clearly)/system necessary for the initiation, propagation and culmination of the revolution. Our humane philosophy(which has always to be updated) shall drive the peoples revolution. What is and what has been happening so far is that the people have been reduced to animal like responses/thinking while at the same time they are being fed that they are treated as human beings or respond really freely.We have to proceed scientifically, classifying resources and classifying the attributes of the people needed for all steps of revolution—it is like running a parallel government which cannot be seen to be like that rather it shall be labeled as a parallel government by the 1% who control and enjoy resources directly or indirectly because we may have rather will have to use the visible or invisible things to replace the use of money in our circles or outside! India is attempting to kill me through radiation and slow poison and sometimes the police threatens to kill me through a roadside bomb or government hired hooligans therefore my chances to contribute to the simulation of the world revolution are lesser.

[-] 3 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 1 year ago

Those 85 are mass murderers. They are reposible for millions of deaths. But it's not just them. At the very least, it's the 1% of each nation and to some degree, the world as a whole. The masses are also partly to blame for increasing the world population with no regard whatsoever for sustainability or environmental impact.

[-] 5 points by trashyharry (3078) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

This is very good news.This alone proves that '#OWS failed," and "#OWS is dead" are bullshit Debbie Downer LIES.

[-] 4 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

Fantastic !!!!!!

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago
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The people at [$#flodwallstreet](https://twitter.com/hashtag/FloodWallStreet?src=hash)  here for information
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there should be a front page article supporting this assembly
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BROTHER EARTH (with Boots Riley and Josh Healey)

If Star Wars was made by environmentalists..

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

''Those on the streets around Wall Street are the physical embodiment of hope. They know that hope has a cost, that it is not easy or comfortable, that it requires self-sacrifice and discomfort and finally faith. They sleep on concrete every night. Their clothes are soiled. They have eaten more bagels and peanut butter than they ever thought possible. They have tasted fear, been beaten, gone to jail, been blinded by pepper spray, cried, hugged each other, laughed, sung, talked too long in general assemblies, seen their chants drift upward to the office towers above them, wondered if it is worth it, if anyone cares, if they will win. But as long as they remain steadfast they point the way out of the corporate labyrinth. This is what it means to be alive. They are the best among us.'' From :

pax ...

[-] 8 points by Renneye (3874) 1 year ago

Very poignant, and moving.

As were the rallies, today.

Thanks, Shadz.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

StrikeDebt Organizing kit!!

http://strikedebt.org/Strike-Debt-Organizing-Kit.pdf

We're NOT done!!

In the immediate future, we would like to put two related events on your radar. We are quite certain they will take Strike Debt to a new level of national visibility, and that they will mobilize individuals and communities far outside of our current orbit.

-On November 15th, Strike Debt New York held The People's Bailout Telethon, a multimedia variety show featuring headline acts such as Jeff Mangum of Neutral Milk Hotel, Lee Ranaldo of Sonic Youth, Daily Show co-creator Lizz Winstead, comedian Janeane Garofalo, and Strike Debt allies such as Occupy Faith, Occupy our Homes, and Healthcare for the 99%. The telethon launched the Rolling Jubilee, a project to purchase and cancel bundles of anonymous debt at pennies on the dollar. At the time of writing, we have raised almost $300,000, enough funds to abolish six million dollars worth of debt. Rolling Jubilee has the dual capacity to expose the debt collection system and eliminate large quantities of debt. The event was broadcast and can viewed on the Rolling Jubilee website.

-On December 16th, Strike Debt New York will hold a Winter’s Jubilee Holiday Party and Open House for community members to learn more about Strike Debt, meet New York members and Jubilate! If you are in region during this period, we encourage you to come by.

-On January 21st --Martin Luther King Day—Strike Debt will hold a National Visioning Session envision to imagine an economy that works for the 99%--the People's Reconstruction.

And some background

A history of Debt resistance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP53gNRNJlk

Peace

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

''The Radicalization of Phil Donahue'' :

Your ''George Caffentzis - Strike Debt - History of Debt Resistance'' was interesting for as long as I heard it but the audio seemed to be corrupted - or it could be my old 'puter and so in compliment ..

The first link above tho' is a very essential OWS & 99% read & so again I link to it below :

I strongly suspect that all this & more, would've made PD even more 'radical' even sooner & per the OP :

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

The failure to resolve the bankster strangle hold on students/homeowners/workers with ever more debt/indentured servitude is an illustration of the power fin corps have over our elected leaders, & reflects our (the people) ignorance, inaction, complacency, & apathy.

This is why we must increase our efforts to educate (spreading, current info), inspire (updates/suggestions on action) & coalesce with like minded organizations.

Absolutely not gratuitous attacks, & partisan purity policing.

That is counter productive.

Right? Are you with us?

[-] 3 points by corsali (47) 1 year ago

YOU never fail to amuse me VQ. I don't come here much anymore, BUT when the biggest PARTISAN hack on here (with the probable exception of the 'not so venerable' DKA, frf & WSmith) runs around here inferring that anyone who isn't a Democrat is a REPUBLICON...well I mean, even YOU can see the 'unusual' logic it takes to come to that faulty conclusion. I believe one poster called it, shooz-logic. Right?

It's about the total accumulatution of your points VQ, without having to say anything. Ask DK...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32821) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

ooooooooooo that 1 got u didn't it thrashingmasks? U R concerned that jart will spot Ur game activity and squash Ur players.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32821) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So - it is U thrashing masks - I C U have not kicked Ur stinkle team ways - silly little troll.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Agitate ALL pols to end student debt exploitation.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/how-the-government-profits-from-student-loans-to-the-tune-of-40-billion-a-year/197199/

"If the federal government were a private lender, it would be one of the world’s three most profitable companies, next to Exxon Mobile and Apple. Student loans, however, are crippling a generation that can’t afford to skip college but also can’t afford to pay for it."

And let's agitate for a 3 year bachelors degree!

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/education/campus-chronicles/article/Could-student-debt-crisis-cure-be-a-three-year-5778041.php

"Paul Weinstein, director of the university's graduate program in public management, is the latest to push for a three-year degree model. He argues in a new paper for the Progressive Policy Institute that American universities should shift their standards away from the arguably arbitrary four years it takes to graduate."

Anyhthing else on this thread would be a distraction from these critical efforts.

Can you join this effort and set aside all the destructive distractions?

I think you can do it. You have all my confidence.

Peace

(I don't think we know each other but it sounds like you are attempting to police my political thought. I'm against the Partisan, Political thought Policing that some engage in.

Occupy welcomes ALL political views (Repubs & even Dems) because we need to persuade everyone (without McCarthyist political purity policing) to join our fight against destructive, anti 99%, corporatist, right wing trickle down, supply side policies.)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32821) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So - how many of Ur socks R U gonna commit 2 playing Ur stinkle team game 2day? Aren't u worried with the sign-up page shutdown ( because of Ur stinkle team BS ) that jart will C Ur socks & remove em?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32821) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Goatin - is that you?

Probably not as you have taken an Italian persona username.

So - thrashing masks - is that you?

Would fit your style = creating a bunch of aliases while the sign-up page was open.

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

people like you who think OWS can take over the nation yet don't believe we can take over a party and are willing to accept Republicans in office while they puff their egos, are F'ing idiots

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Hmmm lets see..

The people showed up and created the best thing in a long long time, in terms of political involvement.

Democrats shut the thing down.

Seems to me we are talking about two different things, not really practical to compare moving a country vs changing the minds of criminals.

[+] -5 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

"we" are not talking at all Turbo the Con I was speaking to corsali, who cares what a con thinks?

[+] -6 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Greens shut down OWS when they dragged their ego driven bullshit in, nobody with a lick of sense will have anything to do with the F'ing Greens, that's why OWS lost support...

[-] 9 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Now the lil ol Green Party is responsible for ows decline..

I would say that you are a total moron, but its probably just a case of old and senile.

Take some meds, pet your cat and take a nap. If you live in Phoenix this was posted at 3am. Time to go to sleep, its been a long day.

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Like a virus can be the cause of feeling sick in that matter yes little old Green Party because as soon as serious people caught a whiff of that stink they turn away from OWS and it pretty much died. Because it became infected with the Green disease maybe you were never at a meeting or OWS camp I was I smelled it all over the place the stink of political hacks trying get their ego buzz.

[+] -6 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you work to elect Republicans, whether or not you are one matters not when they are writing laws, it was folks like you that gave us W Bush and you accept all he did while rejecting the Dems, you are a political hack who cares nothing about the nation only your dreams of building your party like all political hacks.

[-] 6 points by corsali (47) 1 year ago

"you work to elect Republicans..." YOU have to be the funniest person on here, frf. Do you mean 2 B?

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

You must of laugh your ass off during the Bush years. Folks like you love to see the GOP in office and I must say you are doing a hell of a job, folks out there sure hate Obama. You must be really looking forward to Jeb given all you do to help get him elected.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

You are the ''partisan'' for the 'D&R' status quo and I am required to prove sweet fck all to you !!! I am a ''partisan'' for The 99% & I'm ''with'' them !! Do what you will (as will I) but know clearly that there will be consequences to talking shit to me - irrespective of how many login monikers and thus 'votes' you can muster ! Also fyi :

I've a busy day ahead but you can absolutely rest ass-ured that I'll reply to your goading, specious crap with chuckles and candour, so keep replying to me by all means but you can't expect me to open your links unless you too do the same. We don't need to like each other or even get on to work for The 99%.

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Pressure ALL pols to end student debt exploitation.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/how-the-government-profits-from-student-loans-to-the-tune-of-40-billion-a-year/197199/

"If the federal government were a private lender, it would be one of the world’s three most profitable companies, next to Exxon Mobile and Apple. Student loans, however, are crippling a generation that can’t afford to skip college but also can’t afford to pay for it."

And let's agitate for a 3 year bachelors degree!

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/education/campus-chronicles/article/Could-student-debt-crisis-cure-be-a-three-year-5778041.php

"Paul Weinstein, director of the university's graduate program in public management, is the latest to push for a three-year degree model. He argues in a new paper for the Progressive Policy Institute that American universities should shift their standards away from the arguably arbitrary four years it takes to graduate."

Anyhthing else on this thread would be a distraction from these critical efforts.

Can you join this effort and set aside all the destructive distractions?

I think you can do it. You have all my confidence.

Peace

[-] 1 points by corsali (47) 1 year ago

The ONLY "distraction[s]", VQ to our noble struggle are you and your co-opting accomplices. The three of you belittle it by your constant tho.. insidious call for electing more Democrats to solve our problems. Do I have your "confidence" on that?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32821) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Where is your angst for the Koch's and their ALEC and all of ALEC's sponsors and membership?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32821) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So "you" say - and yet there you are trying to stir up a distraction.

[+] -5 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Retire ALL pols against student debt relief

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2014/09/25/grimes-ad-attacks-mcconnell-for-opposing-warrens-student-loan-bill/

"Grimes hits McConnell for opposing the ”Bank on Students Emergency Loan Refinancing Act,” proposed by Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren from Massachusetts. “It is Mitch McConnell who turned his back on the students, on the graduates, 316,000 Kentuckians when he filibustered Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s bill,” Grimes says in the ad."

No co option, just the facts.

Please set aside your partisan purity policing and join our fight for dtudent debt relief.

We need you & everyone if we are succeed.

Peace

[-] 0 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

So "If the federal government were a private lender, it would be one of the world’s three most profitable companies, next to Exxon Mobile and Apple. Student loans, however, are crippling a generation that can’t afford to skip college but also can’t afford to pay for it." BINGO & thus perhaps try to consider ...

Why are the senior executives and CEOs at USUK Higher Education Institutions earning Wall Street Bankster type salaries ?! Why aren't rich private colleges offering more bursaries etc. ?!! Finally, it is 'distraction is as distraction does' - for the fickle & feeble you patronising, ass-hat wearing buffoon !!!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Your links are great illustrations of why we fight.

Your personal insults towards me sully the importance of the issue with immature irrelevant flaming.

Big banks with republicans appear to be the main obstacle.

http://fusion.net/story/17367/elizabeth-warren-to-republicans-on-student-debt-come-and-talk-to-us/

"Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) on Wednesday urged Republicans and big banks to work with Democrats to find ways to solve the nation’s $1.2 trillion student loan problem.

“Come and talk to us,” she said at a Politico event in Washington, D.C.

Warren, whose bill to allow student borrowers to refinance old loans at current interest rates failed to clear the Senate in June after winning just three Republican votes, said she’s open to compromise."

join our fight against big banks and ALL pols against student debt relief.

We need you

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

It really is more than a li'l pompous to ass-ume that my responses to your patronising goading 'sullies the importance' of the enormously important issue of Student Debt !!! We'll all wish Sen. Warren all the best in her endeavours but she'll be hard pushed to expect or get anything from Repugnants and we all know this already !! Students have to wake up to their predicament and educate & agitate ; mobilise & organise .. and wake up from their torpor and passivity and maybe many US college students can learn from some H-S students in Denver !!!

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 6 points by trashyharry (3078) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

Student Debt has a terrible warping effect on the Youth of our Nation,and therefore the Future of our Nation.Student Debt makes real the Vision of Corporations for our Future-no person who is not from a rich family may pursue a career in any field other than applied science,technology,engineering,medical or finance.That's about it.Corporations can make the most money off of these.Entry level jobs in these fields will pay enough to enable students to start paying their debts.Those whose parents still have a house can avoid grinding poverty for awhile by Living at Home.The Arts,sciences like anthropology,legal and many other fields will go begging because the entry level jobs in fields such as those don't pay enough to live on even without giant loan payments.WHO the FUCK are they to decide what our Young People do with their lives? FREEDOM means Young People decide that for themselves.Wake-ee! Wake-ee! Eggs n' Bak-ee! Young People-Your Freedom to Run your own LIFE has been STOLEN!

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Debt is rooted in interest and is the m.o. of banksters everywhere throughout human societies. Here's a wee peek into other possibilities for The 99% in the U$A & everywhere :

It is all simpler than it looks but Banktsers and their fawning lackeys like to try to flummox us with faux complexity. Young and old - The 99% have got to take interest in this 'business of money and banking'.

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3078) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

Vincit Qui Patitur...Thanks,Shadzy.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3078) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

Thanx again-I have heard that song before-it was played on Radio Paradise.I really liked it.The production values are interesting.Years ago,when I first heard Coldplay,I thought the production style might be the beginning of a Stylistic Trend.Now it seems like that might be the case.I still am fascinated by the technical expertise of the members of Coldplay,and I am not surprised that they have come to be influential.I will keep an ear out for Mad Street Preachers also-talented,and I like the sound.Somehow Retro,but new...

[-] 8 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

''The millennial generation has seen up-close and personal how libertarian economics and unregulated capitalism have brought our nation's economy to its knees.

''Take the student loan debt crisis for example.

''Right now, the United States' outstanding student loan debt stands at more than $1.18 trillion. More than 40 million Americans hold student loan debt, a number "greater than the entire population of Canada, Poland, North Korea, Australia and more than 200 other countries."

''The average debt for a 25-year-old American has risen a staggering 91 percent during the past decade, and most of that is student loan debt.

''Student loan debt exceeds both credit card and auto loan debt in the US, and the average college debt per person is over $23,000.

''That debt is also hurting the overall economy.'' - from :

Finally, further to, ''If You Tolerate This - Then Your Children Will Be Next'' (above) and also by the ever excellent 'Manic Street Preachers', I will also append and recommend :

''vincit qui patitur'' et audaces fortuna iuvat ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

I posted my student debt here and the numbers were censored

can anyone retrieve that missing thread

[-] 5 points by trashyharry (3078) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

Why would they do that? I remember the post,but I have no clue how to resurrect old threads.That makes no sense-student debt is one of the foundational issues of #OWS.I physically went to Zucotti Park because I thought #OWS might be an Internet Hoax.It wasn't.The 3 main issues being discussed among civilians were:Jail the Criminals;Student Loan Debt,and Campaign Finance Reform/Citizens United/Money Out of Politics.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

here it is appended on the you=troll1 thread

MY STUDENT LOAN

edfinancial SErvices

Matthew L Holck

san diego

Account NUmber: f804102982

statement Date

Loan TYope : DIRECT CONSOL

Oirigonal Priciple Amoount $ 26.390.34

lender Name: DEpartment of EDucation

Current Principle Ballance: $ 37,721.28 at 8% = 3017.68

Currect Interest Rate: 8%

Acrued Interest on NBext Due date: $5,315 note closer to 14%

the accrued interest does not match the interest listed

I find the Ed Financial irresponsible with setting the numbers I owe

and thereby not trust worthy

nor do I trust any earlier calculations

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

"they" don't want to face my loans

I searched MattHolck0 student loan/debt

other occupy threads show up

[-] 1 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

shadz -gen x really is the forgotten generation...we skipped college altogether and most who went didn't finish because financial aid wasn't keeping up with inflation they would get approved one year for a certain amount and the next year they got told to go get stuffed...now we are trying to get work competing with millenials who weren't daunted by the numbers, because they want what they want now and don't think consequences plus by then their parents made out huge from the housing boom and had massive equity to borrow against and had seen genx failing to thrive from what they thought a lack of degrees (but was really outsourcing forging its takehold)...they put their eggs into the millenial basket knowing someone will have to help with their retirement cuz they knew they were going to spend it all on toys and remodeling their kitchens a tenth time ( want what they want now ala cabbage patch dolls) and they assumed their gex x kids were sensitive slacker fuck ups and would instill greed and ruthlessness into their millenial kids by god. Gen x didn't have college funds either because our parents thought we could get good paying factory jobs or work our way up company ladders like they did. We are stuck in our late thirties childless and trying to start from scratch. By the time I reach retirement age my kids will be going to college except I still don't have any retirement or a child college fund going (god know what it will be by the time my kids go if i can ever afford to have any) since I still can't get a foothold in this ever growing corporate give me meets government grab economy. Should I go to college now? Should I have kids now? By the time my loans are paid off I will supposed to be retiring and my kids will be going to college and yeah in the interim my spouse's and my parents (who never planned or saved as most boomers) will need our help living. What a fucking conundrum...huh? Oh yes at my age I'm not in any bracket or demographic that qualifies for government help or backing so my interest will be 10 percent if I can even qualify for a loan because my income is so stagnated and small compared to the cost of living...I call it the get stuffed ratio. Worse by far boomers are all doing reverse mortgages to live...our generations are going to have to fund the largest retirement generation yet as well as bail out all the unpaid nursing bills. Instead of selling homes and opening up the market to the younger folks - they have sold them off to banks...where is all of that going to lead? That generation is taking our whole economy to the grave with themselves. Its really unfathomable ...a generation that could have changed the world...stole the ball, sold it to corporate america, and retired to the song lust for life while watching the ensuing dodgeball game their kids will have to play...jeering at us that we don't have the smarts or gumption not to get slammed or too lazy to grab the ball and run away with it like they were able to. We are generation fucked! And have sacrificed our whole lives and productive years so boomers can have it all (and sell it to wallstreet for extra).

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Gen x really is the forgotten generation...we skipped college altogether and most who went didn't finish because financial aid wasn't keeping up with inflation they would get approved one year for a certain amount and the next year they got told to go get stuffed...now we are trying to get work competing with millennials who weren't daunted by the numbers, because they want what they want now and don't think consequences plus by then their parents made out huge from the housing boom and had massive equity to borrow against and had seen genx failing to thrive from what they thought a lack of degrees (but was really outsourcing forging its take-hold)...they put their eggs into the millennial basket knowing someone will have to help with their retirement cuz they knew they were going to spend it all on toys and remodelling their kitchens a tenth time ( want what they want now a la cabbage patch dolls) and they assumed their gex x kids were sensitive slacker fuck ups and would instil greed and ruthlessness into their millennial kids by god.

Gen x didn't have college funds either because our parents thought we could get good paying factory jobs or work our way up company ladders like they did. We are stuck in our late thirties childless and trying to start from scratch. By the time I reach retirement age my kids will be going to college except I still don't have any retirement or a child college fund going (god know what it will be by the time my kids go if i can ever afford to have any) since I still can't get a foothold in this ever growing corporate give me meets government grab economy.

Should I go to college now? Should I have kids now? By the time my loans are paid off I will supposed to be retiring and my kids will be going to college and yeah in the interim my spouse's and my parents (who never planned or saved as most boomers) will need our help living. What a fucking conundrum...huh? Oh yes at my age I'm not in any bracket or demographic that qualifies for government help or backing so my interest will be 10 percent if I can even qualify for a loan because my income is so stagnated and small compared to the cost of living...I call it the get stuffed ratio.

Worse by far boomers are all doing reverse mortgages to live...our generations are going to have to fund the largest retirement generation yet as well as bail out all the unpaid nursing bills. Instead of selling homes and opening up the market to the younger folks - they have sold them off to banks...where is all of that going to lead?

That generation is taking our whole economy to the grave with themselves. Its really unfathomable ...a generation that could have changed the world...stole the ball, sold it to corporate america, and retired to the song lust for life while watching the ensuing dodgeball game their kids will have to play...jeering at us that we don't have the smarts or gumption not to get slammed or too lazy to grab the ball and run away with it like they were able to.

We are generation fucked! And have sacrificed our whole lives and productive years so boomers can have it all (and sell it to wallstreet for extra).

===========================================================================

Powerful elf. I get what you're saying and we get by on our wits and do the best we can but seeing the excesses of The Boomers and the consumption and apathy of the kids leaves us wondering wtf it's all about or realising that there is ...

Excuse my sub-editing of your initial comment but I do get a bit frightened by monolithic blocks of text so please remember that a double tapped enter/return key is your friend. I'm also cross-linking to your rather moving reply to bw from another thread :

Solidarity to you & yours in all your doings. You're not alone or a loan. Ommm for all the 'manchilds' too!

pax et lux ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

college and money are not interconnected

wealth comes from property not education

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

Boomers shut us out of property if extremely lucky and relentless you can get a fannnie house missing floors and with a questionable foundation if you are just looking to save on rent and manage to beat investors (bid before u see inside as soon as it goes up) also must know how to do many repairs yourself bye bye weekends for years and years. Plus you don't actually own it for thirty years. But mostly I agree with you....see film real estate for ransom. Without college you are vulnerable to starting scratch each lay off...degree equals more clout and leverage. Without more dispensable especially if you've earned raises. Interns will work for free and have education.

[-] -3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Free public college, & student debt relief will help millions of decent hard working americans.

http://www.pressherald.com/2014/10/12/g-i-bill-started-the-steady-march-to-college-for-all/

"During the 1960s and ’70s, there was a psychological shift toward imagining that any American should be able to go to college, Thelin said.

But tuition started to increase significantly in the 1980s and ’90s, leading to new pressure on the federal government’s student loan program. The volume of student loans ballooned in the 1990s, when Congress increased loan limits, introduced unsubsidized loans, and increased access to include more middle-class families. Borrowing increased by almost $10 billion from 1992-93 to 1994-95, nearly a two-thirds increase in just two years."

(hmm, coinciding with civil rights?)

A new gi bill is acceptable.

Retire anti studdent debt relief pols

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Yes, ''student debt relief will help millions of decent hard working americans'', tho' even more radically ...

Essential reading I suggest for those interested in banking, debt and interest. Big ramifications I believe.

fiat lux ...

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you are a partisan political hack that would sell this country down the river for a few names on a ballot and a few votes to brag about....

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

You 'D&R' Fixated Stupid Fkn Idiot !!! Now from ~2 years ago - but still highly relevant - try to consider :

''American presidential politics are not devoid of progressive voices, but in reality, America doesn’t need a third-party – it needs a second party. The overwhelming lack of choice offered by this election can only be attributable to the political duopoly of the Republican and Democratic parties. As President Obama begins his second term and final term, some feel that this could be a chance for the White House to pursue more progressive ends – an opportunity for Obama to act on his own campaign rhetoric and roll back militarism and the influence of Wall St. financiers.'' Hmmmmm - so did Obummer do that ?

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Can you explain again why you think it is better for the GOP to win elections than the Dems?

Tell us about how wonderful you felt about the 5 million votes that Nader got, how much more important that was than who actually sat in the White House how Al Gore and W Bush would do just the same stuff and all, explain that to us would you please?

Perhaps you could tell us which of McCain's or Romney's plans you prefered to Obama's actions, or if you would rather tell us how you saw Stein winning? explain that, give us any clue that you live in the real world and are not insane.

Have you heard about the OccupyDemocrats group? They seem to have an idea that could actually work.

You think OWS can take over a country, yet don't believe we can take over a political party.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Al 'fkn gimp' Gore FAILED to challenge the election result in 2000 you dolt !!! So fixating on Nader does NOT answer why Gore still fkn won but had the fkn election stolen - does it, you nitwit ?!! True pro-99% Dems should try to use OWS to pull Dems to the Left ; NOT incessantly bleat about OWS's existence, explanations and enterprises and then try to neuter and negate OWS' message ffs !

I ''think OWS'' - was outside my imagination of possibilities 40 months ago - yet here we all are, right ?!!!

per aspera ad astra ...

[+] -6 points by factsrfun (8678) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Nader choose to travel the nation and admit he could find no difference between Al Gore and W Bush that happened before any of what you speak of and that is the danger we face over and over again because of idiots like you, you keep doing the same damn thing over and over.

[-] 6 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

More midterm mania, eh ?! Nader is long gone !! Get over it and stop ''doing the same damn thing over and over'' by trusting the Corporate Co-opted & Con-troll-ed Democrap Pols to change things for you !!!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

"Occupy wants 1% to pay up"

http://grist.org/climate-energy/climate-debt-collectors-occupy-wants-the-one-percent-to-pay-up/

Climate debt requires increased outrage.

The Peoples Climate March is a beginning!

Be counted

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

''Climate debt requires increased outrage'' !!! Spot On Point !! So 99% Climate Solidarity is important !

In compliment to your excellent link, with it's numerous embedded links and which all readers should read and explore - I append this following link to a forum-post and thread, with many other arguments, links and points :

fiat lux ...

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

Tuition vs. Median Income over time:

This chart shows in-state and out-of-state tuition at public colleges vs. median income over time. Honestly, the tuition amounts seem low to me and it's too bad it doesn't include private colleges as well. But, it is a useful tool. Basically, median income has hardly budged while tuition has doubled. I think, if you look at private schools it has much more than doubled since 1987.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/college-tuition-unaffordable-growth-median-income_n_5505653.html

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

''Tuition vs. Median Income over time'' - everyone needs to see your excellent 'HuffPo' link & in solidarity and tho' at a wee historical tangent - I still nevertheless append and recommend, the following article :

fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

An oldie, but a goodie.

Also, all should watch "Disruption"

http://watchdisruption.com/

Peace

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Yes, http://rollingjubilee.org/ + http://strikedebt.org/drom/ + http://strikedebt.org/ = ''Substance''

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Support, expand, demand more from this effort!!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-student-loan-crusader-how-elizabeth-warren-wants-to-reduce-debt-20140820

Our pressure can make a difference.

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Yep, ''Our pressure can make a difference'' & ''This is a better thread to keep high'' for sure.

Very good links, above and below & there are many hopes for Elizabeth Warren. + fyi btw ...

https://occupywallst.org/forum/idea-list-names-of-twinklers-and-stinklers/#comment-1047733

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

See how much better substance is.

Forget the points, process, rules, & keep up the positive contributions

Nice.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Maybe you can patronize this too ...

temet nosce ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Not bad. Seen 'em. posted 'em. One of many sites I patronize.

Thanks for keeping it substantive. (1up!)

Peace

[-] -2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Student debt outlive student.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/2014/09/12/Private-student-loan-can-outlive-student/stories/201409120016

This is a better thread to keep high. No?

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

''Seven out of ten college graduates have an average of $29,000 in debt along with their diploma. It sucks, and I’m one of the lucky ones. Since I’ve put off grad school primarily for this reason, I’m only looking at my student loan debt for the next seven-ish years. My heart breaks for those who don’t see an end.

''Fortunately, activists on behalf of students believe that we all deserve to see an end. In a radical twist, these activists believe that our lives are worth more than any debt. So they’re doing what Wall Street and the government can’t seem to figure out — they’re cancelling student loan debt.'' from :

''Initiatives like the Rolling Jubilee are meant to inspire and enlighten by making us question the system of debt. The goal is that the collective power of debtors becomes a force to be reckoned with — a force that demands greater economic equality. A force that values ourselves and each other more than dollar signs.''

I think that rather than asking me or others vacuous questions, you'd be far better off showing that you actually read your own links. For more information on how to spot predatory lending, visit Debt.org & ..

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Again I read 'em all!!!

Suggesting I don't is just another concern troll distraction tactic.

unfounded accusation. Gratuitous insults.

http://time.com/money/3426618/student-loan-default-factories/

Is that vacuous?

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

You actually provide no evidence that you read your links so 'vacuous' or otherwise, the question does warrant asking. Further consider that .. ''When it comes to the public’s general view on how he is doing his job, the verdict is pretty grim – Obama’s approval ratings have not touched 50% since May. When his abilities are assessed more specifically, it’s even worse. His administration’s approval ratings for handling the economy, foreign policy and immigration are all significantly lower. As November’s midterm elections approach, Democratic candidates in tight races are running away from him. Most Americans have not felt the country has been moving in the right direction since he came to power; most still think they are in a recession.'' from :

Remind me wtf has Obummer done for students in 6 years ?! Not being Romoney does not count btw !!

ne quid nimis ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

What fool puts all their hope into one politician.? Not me.

The distraction of bashing one politician, analyzing his numbers, weighing midterm outcomes, is useless.

Our demands to ALL pols/corps are delivered in the streets, on social media, through strikedebt, voting, boycotting, petitioning, phoning, etc etc....

I won't engage in your preferred partisan flame war.

Time to get off our collective arses, stop blaming/thinking one pol will just deliver our needs. Time to do for ourselves, and get in the street.

The answer is grassroots non partisan action.

Officer.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

The point is that neither Obummer or Hitlary nor The Democraps, seem capable of delivering what The 99% need and want because the fkn Dem Party Pols & Party Machine are now so far to the right and have been so thoroughly infiltrated and co-opted as to now make them nothing but Corporate Shills !!!

I have ALWAYS differentiated long suffering Dem Voters from the Pols & Party !! I accuse YOU of being a fkn ''partisan'' for the 'Two Faction / One Corporate 'War & Austerity' Party ... because yes .. The 99% need a ''grassroots'' party and that party would not be a 3rd Party .. because you do not actually have a real 2nd Party now ffs ! And again - because you're no ''fool'' right ? ...

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Ranting against one party is the kind of flame war/distraction that minimizes real work on these important issues.

ALL pols who oppose progressive change must be retired, ALL corps opposed to progressive change must be targeted.

We use all non violent tactics, the partisan flame war distractions are just disruptive to the discourse of facts that we desperately need.

THIS can matter, (if we fight for it!)

http://fusion.net/story/17367/elizabeth-warren-to-republicans-on-student-debt-come-and-talk-to-us/

Who opposes progress?

Retire all pols against student debt reform/relief progress.

"it's the only way to be sure"

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

It is NOT ''partisan'' to fight for The 99% .. you 'partisan' fuk-wit !!! Student Debt Jubilee Now !! Stop Paying Odious Compounded Onerous Interest and pandering to The Banksters and just repay The Principle & fight to end Debt Slavery ffs ... instead of just tinkering and pandering and submitting !

  • Consider : A = P x (1 + r/n) to the power of {n x t} ; where ~

  • P = principal amount (the initial amount you borrow or deposit) ;

  • r = annual rate of interest (as a decimal) ;

  • t = number of years the amount is deposited or borrowed for ;

  • A = amount of money [Debt] accumulated after n years, including interest &

  • n = number of times the interest is compounded per year !!!

Of course the fkn 1%-Loving Repugnants are off the scale - but Dems are a BIg ''fail'' too and co-opted class traitors to boot but to not say so is arguably .. to be ''partisan'' - for the .. status quo - geddit ?!!!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

n is not necessary for the exponential curve to be set

and only serves to complicate a simpler problem

conducting law with the intent to confuse the receipt is criminal

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Re. the 'Compound Interest Equation' above - you're right .. 'n' is obviated if it is assumed that n = 1 and thus leaving :

  • A = P x (1 + r) to the power 't'

Tho' this is a more elegant equation, it is nevertheless also true that interest is compounded many more times than once a year and banks calculate & 'compound' interest on a daily basis - especially on loans and debt !!! Now just imagine that 'n' = 365 Matt !!! I am sure that there are some serious implications to that !! My mind boggles a li'l at the thought of it AND at how we speak so little about 'Interest & Jubilee' !

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

cheasea from ed finace service 9-30 n12:30 PST

ed fund called me

ed does know what my future interest will be

claimed claimed they don't know my base principal

///

I can't find my individual post on my student loan here

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Re. Compound Interest : A = P x (1 + r) to the power of 't' ... where - A = amount of money [Debt] accumulated after n years, including interest ; P = principal amount (the initial amount you borrow or deposit) ; r = annual rate of interest (as a decimal) & t = number of years the amount is deposited or borrowed for. I like your simpler form of the equation by disregarding n but my point re interest being 'calculated and compounded' on a daily basis by the Banksters & money lenders - still applies, ergo ''how disappointing'' - is also applicable, I suppose. Furthermore, re. the OP ... please also consider :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

(love of money is the root of all evil) ..

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

intentionally misleading interest term are just that

one can't side with wrong

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Right ! Yep - ''one can't side with wrong'' !! True that - all day and everyday !!! Try that Yves Smith article about 'Student Loans'. ''Intentionally misleading'' re 'Interest' - is another very good and true observation.

fiat lux ...

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

excellent math formula!

occupytheairwaves says:

https://occupytheairwaves.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/dems-plan-to-use-elizabeth-warrens-student-loan-bill-against-the-gop-in-november/

All (non violent)ways, Always!

Build on every progressive step/victory. Long hard years of work is required to reach our final goal of free public college.

join our efforts to help millions of decent hard working students get relief.

We may not get ALL we want now, but if we stick together we can't be stopped.

Peace. truly we need YOU!

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

The 99% have all that I have to offer but you can have the tip of my boot hard on your bum if you like - u irksome numpty !!! Now see IF you can read the following & absorb its relevance on this OWS Forum ..

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

You already sent that, great, but still polluted.

Student debt related:

http://www.mndaily.com/opinion/editorials/2014/09/21/student-debt-bill-hits-roadblock

Who is blocking progress?

Retire ALL pols against student debt relief!!

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Odious Debt & Onerous Interest that is Compounded by Banksters and their lackeys is the core issue - as I tried to explain via the 'Compound Interest Equation' farther up this thread !!! You seem to claim to understand it but I'm not at all sure that you do !! Please re-read this sub-thread, from your fist reply to me ^up there^ - it won't take long and it will be edifying - I promise.

From your link, I excerpt ... “Democrats are looking to energize students heading into the fall elections by reducing the interest they pay on students’ loans. … Republicans are resisting because Democrats would use a tax on the most affluent to pay for it,” Humphrey School of Public Affairs political science professor Larry Jacobs told the Minnesota Daily last week.

''Both sides of the political spectrum are behaving in a highly predictable way, as Jacobs explained. Political inaction often results from a lack of compromise between parties.''

What a total fkn crock o' shit !!! The ''political spectrum'' does NOT have just two sides 4 fux sake !! Well perhaps it does - but ONLY to the Duopoly Deluded ! Your man Oblahblah has been in office for 6 years already, so as I asked you further up the thread - just remind me what he's done for 'Students & Debt' or is he just too busy consolidating generational conflicts in the name of Hegemony and so called 'National Security' ? IF it is the later .. which countries' ''National Security'' is really under primary concern here ?!

Your problem is that, in the main .. I look at your links & I mostly see 'conservative acquiescence to the stautus quo' but with only a little added tinkering. People are disillusioned with the 'same old ; same old polytricks' - while avaricious, corpulent Banksters and larcenous Corporate Warmongers laugh at us all.

So is it really any damn wonder why people tune out, get angry and then because they are mislead and misdirected - not to mention, miseducated - that they then turn inwards and start to try to blame and so hate their fellow citizens ? Sad shit. Here, read this by the ever insightful Gary Younge & try not to weep

I'll end this overly long response to your b-s, by quoting the very last paragraph of your link : ''Heading into this fall’s elections, we would like to hear from candidates — specifically Sen. Al Franken and his Republican challenger, Mike McFadden — on how they would aim to cut through these deadlocks in Washington to make some real changes.'' These bastards won't change a fkn thing. They are owned !

spero meliora ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22558) 1 year ago

"Colleges Win, Student Borrowers Lose In Obama Administration Absolution"

"The U.S. Department of Education is turning its back on at least 1,000 borrowers in favor of shielding their former colleges from potentially crippling sanctions that would have resulted from high rates of default on federal student loans."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/split-servicing-federal-student-loans_n_5879012.html?utm_hp_ref=college&ir=College

Enough with the excuses, Obama and Democrats. It's easy to do nothing and keep pointing the finger.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

''Enough with the excuses, Obama and Democrats. It's easy to do nothing and keep pointing the finger.'' Ditto bw and please further consider :

'' As if aging in America isn’t hard enough these days, a new government report has uncovered that seniors are facing yet another barrier to a secure retirement: their student debt. Once thought to be a young person’s issue, new data released by the Government Accountability Office shows that older Americans are also finding themselves buried under the weight of their student loans. The data helps paint a much larger picture of the overall economic insecurity that too many of our country’s seniors face every day

''The price of an education is quickly becoming too heavy a burden for far too many people, and it’s a burden that’s staying with them forever. College debt looms large as the most difficult debt to get rid of, and these numbers paint a startling picture of exactly how big a toll it’s taking on people as they age. For many, student debt is following them from the cradle to the grave – they’re condemned to a lifetime of payments that stagnant wages and mounting economic insecurity make it nearly impossible to manage.

''That threat puts all of us in jeopardy. It endangers an already fragile economic recovery, and it exacerbates the financial vulnerability of people who have worked all of their lives to provide for themselves and their families.

''If our economy doesn’t work for students, and it doesn’t work for workers, and it definitely doesn’t work for seniors, you have to wonder, is it time to try a different approach?''

Thanx for your strong 'Huff.Po' Link & I recommend any and all readers here to read it. Solidarity bw.

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Agreed, The foot dragging by the so called peoples representatives is outrageous.

This all illustrates how important grassroots efforts are in retaking the corp owned pols/gov to serve the people.

Fighting for free public college for all will require putting aside the distraction of partisan flame wars/finger pointing. You are right.

From the street we demand free public college, & we will continue to support all political efforts regardless of party affiliation, we will urge replacing any & all representatives (all parties) against progress on this goal.

Solidarity.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

From the agon and the dialectic - fractious or otherwise, emerge Higher 99% Truths, hopefully.

ipsa scientia potestas est ...

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1936) 1 year ago

Solidarity OWS and what a totally fantastic story !!! Happy Birthday OWS !! Solidarity @ The 99% !

You are not a loan or alone. Solidarity and identification with The 99% is our only hope and strength.

consilio et animis ...

[-] 3 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

Wow...great message - will the public get to hear it? Lately I'm amazed at how many people have become locked in to this system we have now. They are so tightly in it they don't even want to hear there might be another way because " wha whomp" if you even approach it they actually get mad. You are seen as crazy. Yes my own family has argued with me to shut up about politics because " that is cynical and negative" even positive stories like this because they are so resistant to the idea people could have an affect or that it could really change. They literally shut the door on any conversation about politics or world issues as though it is a disease I'm trying to spread or something icky they can't stand to think about. I couldn't even tell them a story like this. Same goes with coworkers or even discussing it publicly with my husband. People look at you like you are the schizophrenic that walked into a room pacing back and forth. Not like I'm loud or forcing it down any throats and I only bring it up when I sense a doorway open like if they complain about taxes or talk about who they are going to vote for...(sadly these people vote) but other than their sports team like mentality ...it's off limits a black box not to be opened or a bad childhood they want to forget. They are literally and figuratively consumed with operating within the bounds of the system we have ...and are resistant to any thought they don't have to play with the rules as they are. For people so accustomed to the rules as they are ...they have grown to depend on the consistency and to change them would for them be like changing the rules of football. They have learned the game and they don't want to learn a new one.

https://explorable.com/choice-blindness

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/26/the-perils-of-introspection/

"Freedom is the enemy of synthetic happiness. In a Harvard photography course, a sample of students were given the choice to keep one of the two pictures that they developed; half of these students were given the chance to reverse their choice, while the other half was given only one chance. As it turns out, the students with a reversible choice were much less satisfied than students that had to make a single decision. Simply put, our psychological immune system works best when we are totally stuck"

From http://www.dailycal.org/2013/06/07/ted-talk-of-the-week-dan-gilbert-on-synthetic-happiness/

[-] 3 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

Subjects that got to choose their poster later reported disatisfaction subjects that were told which one they had to choose invented reasons they were satisfied. So not only do we fool ourselves into believing the choices weren't being constricted or manipulated we convince ourselves we are happy with the reality we " chose" or believe we chose. This is bad stuff and explains a lot about apathy and our society accepting status quo. So I guess if we look at the various ways in our lives we do this we all do to some extent. A painful examination...not everyone is willing to subject themselves to pain. Nor will they let us. So many layers to our problem.

Add to that corporations and government are using psychological warfare on the public and workers ...which should be illegal.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

Also apparently members of this protest lack the capacity to fool ourselves into satisfaction...plus we see that the choices are being constricted and even if it brings unhappiness or failure ...we still want the choice and believe they exist beyond the scope of what is on the surface...in that we don't feel totally trapped because another world is possible so we don't lie to ourselves to brighten the reality we live in.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

i cannot stand by deception

[-] 3 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

This also explains those people who are and report being satisfied in horrible or dead end jobs. They see themselves as mature and responsible too but in reality they are deluding themselves into a controlled and mundane existence. I guess someone has to perform that kind of thing. Not me! Call me irresponsible or crazy. That I can deal with.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

it's like ed fund could not find me on the internet

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

Yeah it would be easier considering if another world isn't possible because we can't pull other people out of their fake stupor, then we ourselves are going to be trapped except we will know it = misery...

[-] 3 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

Choosing unhappiness in favor of progress freedom and truth...why the hell do we do that?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (3624) 1 year ago

JOHANSSON, HALL, & SIKSTRÖM144 Unknown to the participants, on certain trials, a double-card ploy was used to covertlyexchange one face for the other. Thus, on these trials, the outcome of the choice becamethe opposite of what they intended.The number of manipulated trials detected by the participants was surprisingly low.Even when they were given unlimited time to deliberate upon their choice no more than30% of all manipulated trials were detected. But not only were the participants often blindto the manipulation of their choices, they also offered introspectively derived reasons for preferring the alternative they were given instead.

http://www.academia.edu/3188456/From_change_blindness_to_choice_blindness

And apparently they believe they chose this system according to psychological studies...so they create reasons why they like it and invent reasons they chose it. I'm sure corporations koch and the like are exploiting these findings as well.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

interest a system of taxing the poor

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Name one accomplishment, please?

This last election proves 1% 100 ~ 99% NONE!!!

Hello!!! Any body in there?? Hello!!

[-] -2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Solidarity