Forum Post: You Have NO IDEA What You're Protesting About, Do You
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 12, 2011, 8:09 a.m. EST by Reigne
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So, lets all blame Banksters & Wall Street for our current monetary situation ... Yeah, that's working! You have no idea what you're protesting! Why do I say that? Because ...
Still NOBODY is talking about the G20 Summit coming up Nov 3 & 4, 2011 in France!
What the heck is REALLY going on?
Occupiers all across the Unionized States aren't talking about it, the mainstream media isn't talking about it, our own govt public servants aren't talking about it ... even the 'beloved' Ron Paul isn't talking about it!
WHY does it seem a COMPLETE blackout is occuring on the upcoming G20Summit?
WHY is NOBODY talking about it? WHAT is going to REALLY occur at this G20Summit this year?
FYI: G20 = The Group of Twenty Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors
Hmm, seems to be the "Head of the Snake" to me!
The "summit" gatherings themselves are mostly for the media, and largely symbolic. They don't have to be physically in each other's presence to effect their policies, it is an ongoing thing. But, like the Wall Street Occupation, being visible does count for more than just a little. http://sibob.org/wordpress/
So true
Check out g20.org Right on their site it says "New World, New Ideas" LOL There is NOTHING new about the ideas LOL
You have that right.
Dude, chill. There are already a dozen+ issues OWS is trying to address. They can't solve ALL the world's problems in a single protest. The "local" issues with our economy and our government are already more than a handful.
Well look, dudette. We have to prioritize. We need to focus our efforts on our Congress and the policies and laws in our own government to get them to do what they should to benefit our own citizens. Protesting the G20 isn't a direct threat to members of Congress, doing things like pushing for recalls in Congressional districts where members of Congress aren't addressing the needs of the people IS. The members of the G20 may be behind some of the problems we're facing, but just like in a video game, we have to take out the "mini-bosses" in our own political system before we face the big boss.
I completely agree that we need to focus our efforts on Congress etc. That is why I am currently writing up Criminal Complaint docs on all members of Congress for Treason - (see constitution for definition of treason) They ALL have dishonored their Oath by willingly and knowingly refuse to coin and regulate the value of our money (they do not have an option to have someone else do it for them), and by creating laws/codes/regulations/statutes that are contrary to the constitution (which are actually Null-And-Void UNLESS you consent to them).
I'm not an "arm-chair patriot". I Know the Law, I know my Rights, and I know to Reserve My Rights at ALL times. ;o)
BTW: The Criminal Complaints will be notarized and filed with State attny general, local grand jury, fed grand jury, governor, sheriff, mayor, etc.
I am not fooling around. Enough is enough.
Sounds like an interesting read.
Haha -you should the docs on Obama ;o)
Knowing off the top of my head some of the things that he has done. I don't think I would have time to read the whole thing, be for my coffee pot gave out.
Hahaha - I'm doing my best to keep it "sweet and simple" .... basically point by point violations of Oath/Law etc. I just hope there's enough ink/paper at the local shops to print these out (obama's easy-that's one doc, but a separate doc for each member of congress, that's gonna take some time to print out)
Nevermind the moolah it's gonna cost to send these all certifed/return receipt LOL I may need a part-time job to cover those costs <wink>
Well maybe a few people in the OWS would be willing to chip in.
I'd much rather folks use my templates which will be freely available when complete and take the same action as I am. ;o) I'm not hard to get in contact with ... just google "April Reigne"
intense.
Agree w/DTX
I also wonder why Reigne signed up for OWS??
Yeah well, EST, whatevs
"You have no idea what you're protesting! "
I think they do, maybe not as focused as you'd like. Everybody has values, everybody has an agenda (anon) and, you know, it is NOT top-down central planning, central bank, central edicts for all. It is real people with real values and there are NO simplistic answers.
Even the G20. Or G7 -- as in the case of Japan after the tsunami/earthquake/ dragon fire nuke oops! where TPTB thought a strong currency hurt exports. Ask yourself in a damaged country, what good it is to sell more for less; how useful is a weak currency in importing most of everything they need to rebuild infrastructure. Maybe it is all smoke & mirrors to fool the peasants, eh?
Are you out protesting or just carping on your personal hobbyhorse?
Me, I am half a world away, wish I was there, believe I could do some good. There are others there who do not want to do good, they want fo co-opt for their own ends, and subvert this whole process. I am not sure but that they are out of touch with the present reality.
There are many people and many messages, and why should it not be so? Maybe unfocused from your point of view, but when in recent years have young and old come together in common cause, not all 'on the same page' but that does not matter. There are aspects of what is wrong with the country that all can agree on.
I for one admire these demonstrators, might not agree on some of many points of the various voices, but those voices need to be heard! This is what America was and could be again.
Do you realize Civil Disobedience is Lawful here? Then why are people/groups involved in Occuping bother to get a Permit (which is permission from the state)? Why protest WallSt/Banksters locally when the Truth is they are not the ones behind the scenes - the G20 & IMF are the core!
ALL uprising/revolutions center is and always has been about Rights/Liberty - not bigger govt, not more hand-outs.
I'm doing MORE than sitting in a park with others making noise. I'm filing charges against our public servants.
Since you're "half a world away", maybe you could go to France and protest the G20 instead of carping on your personal hobbyhorse (as you so elequently put it).
Well, matey, my late wife wanted to take me to gay Paree -- but she died. Such is life.
Why should I ride to France on your hobbyhorse when the G20 and IMF is only a small part of the globalization that has been around for a long time? We could go back a long way to see the relationship between Benjamin Strong and Montague Norman -- and that is only a small part of the problem.
But I'm an American who happens to live in Australia. Since 1974. I watch the MSM, and al Jazeera, Bloomberg, a lot of internet coverage of OWS. more than a few naysayers, with memes like "You have no idea what you're protesting!" A statement in itself that is adversarian and confrontational. Well, I have played that game, IRC and computer bulletin boards before that. Usually counterproductive but wot the hell. fun.
This is my first time to this site, and I see something that doesn't fit. So I comment. Did you perceive any value or just want to jump on that hobbyhorse and 'ride madly in all directions at once?' I can take you through money in American from the Continental past the Bank of North America, and the Bank of the United States and the Second Bank of the United States, Lincoln's greenback to pay for a war of choice, the 'crime of 1873' demonitizing silver, the co-opted Populist movement of the late 19th C., culminating in the triple whammy pf Wilson's, the outcome of the 16th amendment on his watch, the 17th amendment which eviscerated states' rights, and the Feder Reserve Act, signed Dec 24, 1913. And why that president 'kept America out of war' until he didn't. Easy credit in the 20s, bad decisions of Hoover and then FDR, much of this era to enable the British pound with its return to the gold standard at pre-war value (except they opted for a gold-exchange standard to perpetuate their mercantilist empire, which failed anyway. And FDR's screwing China's economy to "help the US silver producers".
The Liberty Bond debacle, which was the real reason FDR 'confiscated' gold from (some) citizens. Bretton Woods (familiar to you) and why Nixon scuttled it. Et bloody cetera and so forth. Yes, the BIS goes back to 1830, it's like a diamond, many facets. All designed to an agenda. It's like multidimensional chess being played behind our backs.
The "Creature from Jekyll Island" was years in the making, part of that agenda. As was the income tax to suck in the naive. 'Soak the rich', hahahaha, yeah it worked. once.'Robber barons' ... and they never forgot, neither did their heirs. And here we are, unintended consequences on a rough paved road. And nobody knows why.
I am fully aware of G Edward Griffins writings, as well as the Central Banks that have been in America, as well as the FACT that Andrew Jackson successfully "killed the bank" while in office.
I'm not the one who brought up a "hobbyhorse" - that was you. Are you aware of the Committee of 300? Are you aware that these "groups" change names to make it SEEM like they are "new"? Do you know that damn near before the ink was dry on our Constitution a plan was laid out to Destroy our Republic?
Please don't assume I haven't done my 'homework' or that I have not obtained Accurate Knowledge through my own due dilliegence.
You wanna back folks up who are protesting a smaller fraction of globilization than the IMF/G20, go ahead. I'm not here to stop you from doing so.
I did not assume. Every time I write, it is always in mind of others who might read. So, fine, you've done your homework -- I just think the negative approach of "You have no idea what you're protesting about" is not getting the job done.
Yes, I did bring up that hobbyhorse and you are still riding it. Is it working?
I personally will back people on a small subset of the Big Picture as opposed to berating them on your focus. And hopefully lead them to find the bigger picture. Good luck, Don Quixote.
No hobbyhorse here ... just keep living down under where things aren't going so well either. But as a US Citizen, there's not much you can do to help out there. Good Luck Crocodile Umm-gee!
obvious troll is obvious.
your issue can get attended to best if you don't troll to promote it.
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can we please expose the illuminati!! we need to expose the bloodlines at the top. the name of the real enemy should be announced!! people should be holding up signs with websites on them where the truth about our current global state can be found!!
I love Elizabeth Warren and Brooksley Born.
If we knew what were protesting about, then this would have been reality since long time ago, and we would have no need in protesting today.
They don't have a very clear idea what they're protesting.
But they have some idea.
It is unfair to claim that if you can't verbalize it, you have "no idea" what's going on.
You can only say that if you can't verbalize it, you can't act effectively. The distinction is important.
Like anyone else, they are acting first on emotion. They are going with their gut. It's how movements begin. Given time, they will sift out the frustration and identify the cause. There are already stirrings of that - and it's only been a month. I think they're ok on the schedule. I, too, would like it to move a little quicker, but frankly I think yelling at them that they're not doing it fast enough can be counter-productive.
If you don't know your rights, you will never know when they are being infringed upon / violated / voluntarily waived.
If you don't RESERVE your Rights, the govt will always assume you have voluntarily waived them.
If you don't KNOW what the Problem is, you will never find a viable solution.
Yes, yes, and true.
But just because you don't KNOW what the problem is RITE NAO doesn't mean you're a failure forever.
I'm sure you've been agitating for years, and on some level you must wish everyone else had been along for the ride. But it doesn't serve anyone's interests - not even your own - to browbeat them now for not being awake before.
I never deemed anyone a "failure" nor a "forever failure."
Speaking truth is not browbeating. I am not of the Political Correctness party so if anyone is offended, then know that's not my intention.
The world government is taking us over. Yay!
The Federal Reserve is going to relinquish control over to the IMF and World Bank. A new world currency will be created. And Obama will be declared the greatest Leader that ever lived. And shortly after, Civil Unrest and Anarchy will kick in... get your guns ready.
They have already relinquished control over to the IMF a long time ago ... that's how they & our nation became involved with IMF.
good point. I was being a little facetious in my comments, but now that you mention it... they have shared the same bedroom and boardroom for quite some time.
lol i hope this is a troll. It's sad to think about how retarded most americans are
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRPDhsYi9zQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76EYPJQTW-8
Central Banking System:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyg9MFCP1ls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ySGVpeTxM
http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
The G20 was important enough to destroy Toronto. Now Occupy is in Toronto, and they are already destroying by spray painting messages in our Parks that I pay for with my tax money.
Your problems should be dealt with in the US. Our banks didn't need a bail out and they are lending money on a daily basis.
Same as G20 in Pittsburgh ... now Occupy is there. The banks that got the bail out are not part of our country-it's a private corporation. Congress is to be coining & regulating the value of our money - That duty was not delegated to anyone else, nor was congress given the choice to do it or not.
I am dealing with problems in the US (fed/state) the best I can with limited funds, limited hours in a day, and unlimited resources to accurate informatio, to discover and utilize viable solutions.
In some respect i agree with your post. There is a lot of protesting the 'symptoms' of a yet to be widely accepted 'disease'. Theres a few big elephants in the room that only a few are pointing out.
There are many more and i rarely see posts on these subjects. The problem is not 'people' its archaic systems that are counter productive and create paradigms like the 1%/99% distribution...
Thanks you taking the time to read my post. It is appreciated.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/to-all-the-idiots-here-who-think-warren-buffet-is-/
They can't even tell who is and isn't an inside man...
LOL
The G20 is important, but this has little to do with our democracy. What I am interested in is how the 1% have bought their representation in government, 99% are left with the scraps.
Who do you think the 1% is? The local banker down the corner? The guy trading stocks for someone else? NO
The G20 is "The Group of 20 Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors." In other words, the IMF. The FederalReserveBank IS a central bank.
As for our "democracy" - you all can have it. Democracy is mob rule, and since ya'll have representatives, it's the majority rule of the representatives - not the people. Either way, I want no part of majority/mob rule.
I will continue to live on my Constitutional Republic, which the constitution clearly says nobody can take away the rights/property of another without due process of law/just compensation.
I don't mean to suggest that we change our government. Only that we change the political process which is driven by monied influence.
Well then make it so corps/unions/special interest groups cannot donate money and put a limit on what an individual can donate to campaigns - and that only an individual can donate for themselves, can't be done on the behalf of someone else. ;o)
Agree!
the secret ballot which we call elections can be fixed
we need to vote publically
We need to get the money out of the political system and establish publicly funded campaigns and elections!
the media playing field has changed
everyone can have a billboard on the internet
we need a system we can trust counts our vote
I don't think the secret ballot is the problem. The "fix" is the monied corruption in the political system and government.
and that the vote can be bought through advertisements
which historical data has proved
limit advertisement from public media
We do have an idea "what we're protesting about" and I understand your frustration. But consider this http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-thing-you-should-read-before-you-vote-on-any-d/
You think the movement is too young. Do you understand babies make demands immediately after being born (food, touch, changing messy diapers, etc)?
How old does a movement have to be in your opinion?
It appears that the movement is not too young, just too ignorant. Like I said, SOME occupiers know the Truth - however, they are very few and far between.
I think the movement will be ready for specific demands when we, the 99%, realize we have more things in common than we have dividing us. The 1% have thrived because they've been successful dividing us, putting us against each other. Now we are getting wise to that. I think we need to let that process of awakening continue to unfold and give everyone a chance to participate rather than speaking for them in a presumptuous way.
But ya'll just keep on repeating each other, making hand signals, refuse to be recorded at a Public Event/Gathering on Public Property, and getting Permits (permission from the govt) to do something that has ALWAYS been Lawful for the people to do...