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Forum Post: Why I'm Voting Green - By Chris Hedges

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 29, 2012, 11:43 a.m. EST by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM
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The November election is not a battle between Republicans and Democrats. It is not a battle between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. It is a battle between the corporate state and us. And if we do not immediately engage in this battle we are finished, as climate scientists have made clear. I will defy corporate power in small and large ways. I will invest my energy now solely in acts of resistance, in civil disobedience and in defiance. Those who rebel are our only hope. And for this reason I will vote next month for Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, although I could as easily vote for Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party. I will step outside the system. Voting for the “lesser evil”—or failing to vote at all—is part of the corporate agenda to crush what is left of our anemic democracy. And those who continue to participate in the vaudeville of a two-party process, who refuse to confront in every way possible the structures of corporate power, assure our mutual destruction.

All the major correctives to American democracy have come through movements and third parties that have operated outside the mainstream. Few achieved formal positions of power. These movements built enough momentum and popular support, always in the face of fierce opposition, to force the power elite to respond to their concerns. Such developments, along with the courage to defy the political charade in the voting booth, offer the only hope of saving us from Wall Street predators, the assault on the ecosystem by the fossil fuel industry, the rise of the security and surveillance state and the dramatic erosion of our civil liberties.

“The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don’t have any,” Alice Walker writes.

It was the Liberty Party that first fought slavery. It was the Prohibition and Socialist parties, along with the Suffragists, that began the fight for the vote for women and made possible the 19th Amendment. It was the Socialist Party, along with radical labor unions, that first battled against child labor and made possible the 40-hour workweek. It was the organizing of the Populist Party that gave us the Immigration Act of 1924 along with a “progressive” tax system. And it was the Socialists who battled for unemployment benefits, leading the way to the Social Security Act of 1935. No one in the ruling elite, including Franklin Roosevelt, would have passed this legislation without pressure from the outside.

“It is the combination of a social movement on the ground with an independent political party that has always made history together, whether during abolition, women’s suffrage or the labor movement,” Stein said when I reached her by phone as she campaigned in Chicago. “We need courage in our politics that matches the courage of the social movements—of Occupy, eviction blockades, Keystone pipeline civil disobedience, student strikes, the Chicago teachers union and more. If public opinion really mattered in this race, we [her presidential ticket] would win. We have majority support in poll after poll on nearly all of the key issues, from downsizing the military budget and bringing the troops home, to taxing the rich, to stopping the Wall Street bailouts, to breaking up the banks, to ending the offshoring of jobs, to supporting workers’ rights, to increasing the minimum wage, to health care as a human right, through Medicare for all. These are the solutions a majority of Americans are clamoring for.”

The corporate state has successfully waged a campaign of fear to disempower voters and citizens. By intimidating voters through a barrage of propaganda with the message that Americans have to vote for the lesser evil and that making a defiant stand for justice and democracy is counterproductive, it cements into place the agenda of corporate domination we seek to thwart. This fear campaign, skillfully disseminated by the $2.5 billion spent on political propaganda, has silenced real political opposition. It has turned those few politicians and leaders who have the courage to resist, such as Stein and Ralph Nader, into pariahs, denied a voice in the debates and the national discourse. Capitulation, silence and fear, however, are not a strategy. They will guarantee everything we seek to avoid.

“The Obama administration has embraced the policies of George W. Bush, and then gone much further,” Stein said. “Wall Street bailouts went ballistic under Obama—$700 billion under Bush, but $4.5 trillion under Obama, plus another $16 trillion in zero-interest loans for Wall Street. Obama continues offshoring our jobs. Bill Clinton brought us NAFTA, which was carried out under George W. Bush. It was vastly expanded under Obama to labor abusers in Colombia, and to Panama and South Korea. The Transpacific Partnership, being negotiated behind closed doors by the Obama White House, is NAFTA on steroids. It continues to send our jobs overseas. It undermines wages at home. It overrides American sovereignty by establishing an international corporate board that can overrule American legislation and regulations that protect workers as well as our air, our water, our climate and our food supply.”

Obama, who has claimed the power of assassinating U.S. citizens without charge or trial, increased the drone war and has vastly expanded the wars in the Middle East. He is waging proxy wars in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia. His assault on civil liberties—from his use of the Espionage Act to silence whistle-blowers to Section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act to the FISA Amendment Act—is worse than Bush’s. His attack on immigrant rights has also outpaced that of Bush. Obama has deported more undocumented workers in four years than his Republican predecessor did in eight years. There is negligible difference between Obama and Romney on the issue of student debt, which has turned a generation of college students into indentured servants. But the most important convergence between the Republicans and the Democrats is their utter failure to address the perilous assault by the fossil fuel industry on the ecosystem. It was Obama who undercut the international climate accord reached last year at Durban, South Africa, saying the world could wait until 2020 for an agreement.

“Obama is promoting oil drilling in the Arctic, where the ice cap has already collapsed to one-quarter of its size from a couple decades ago, and he’s opened up our national parks for drilling,” Stein said. “He has given the green light to fracking. He has permitted the exhaust from shale oil [extraction] to go into the atmosphere. He is building the southern pass of the Keystone pipeline. He brags that he has built more miles of pipeline than any other president.”

“There is a protracted drought in 60 percent of the continental U.S.,” Stein said. “There are record forest fires and rising food prices. We have just now seen the 12 hottest months on record. Storms are growing in destructiveness. All this is happening with less than 1-degree Celsius temperature rise. Yet we are now on track for a 6-degree Celsius warming in this century alone. This is not survivable. The most pessimistic science on climate change has underpredicted the rate at which climate change is advancing.”

The flimsy excuses used by liberals and progressives to support Obama, including the argument that we can’t let Romney appoint the next Supreme Court justices, ignore the imperative of building a movement as fast and as radical as possible as a counterweight to corporate power. The Supreme Court, no matter what its composition, will not save us from financial implosion and climate collapse. And Obama, whatever his proclivity on social issues, has provided ample evidence that he will not alter his servitude to the corporate state. For example, he has refused to provide assurance that he will not make cuts in basic social infrastructures. He has proposed raising the eligibility age for Medicare, a move that would leave millions without adequate health care in retirement. He has said he will reduce the cost-of-living adjustment for Social Security, thrusting vast numbers of seniors into poverty. Progressives’ call to vote for independents in “safe” states where it is certain the Democrats will win will do nothing to mitigate fossil fuel’s ravaging of the ecosystem, regulate and prosecute Wall Street or return to us our civil liberties.

“There is no state out there where either Obama or Romney offers a way out of here alive,” Stein said. “It’s up to us to create truly safe states, a safe nation, and a safe planet. Neither Obama nor Romney has a single exit strategy from the deadly crises we face.”

Posted on Oct 29, 2012

By Chris Hedges

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_im_voting_green_20121029//

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[-] 7 points by beautifulworld (21423) 1 year ago

I'm voting for Jill Stein.

[-] 5 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Ditto - I'm also voting for George Gluck too - Green candidate in MD 8th district.

Cheers :)

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

She is pretty special - isn't she?

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"President Jill Stein ?", by Carl Gibson : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32473.htm - for insights into why you probably have such a strong case 'bw' !!

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21423) 1 year ago

"...I'm voting for Jill Stein, because I shouldn't have to hold my nose to vote for someone." Yep.

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[-] -2 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Republicon sabotage!

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Really ?! Care to elaborate ?!! Also consider :

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Tara Dacktyl of http://republicandirtytricks.com/ just wrote a stupendous rebuttal to Chirs Hedges narrow-minded screed, Why I'm throwing (whining and crying) my vote away on the Green Party. One of those pieces too perfect to rely on recall. I know you understand. But basically, it made the case that in this real world we live in, the object is to keep RepubliCons from completely seizing our government and veering off to the right like Bush on steroids. 3rds are a great idea for a day when they are viable (parties don't start at the top), but a vote for 3rds today is a vote for Cons. Which is why the ReupubliCon Cult is vigorously supporting the 3rds, suppressing the vote any way they possibly can.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-3rds-accomplished-bush-what-gop-accomplished-/

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

In swing states for anyone remotely progressive, liberal or left & in a nut shell tho' OF COURSE 'Voting Obomber' ain't no panacea or solution to anything at all But Wf is the option ? It's very much like talking loudly about wiping one's ass after a trip to the loo - NOT really a pleasant subject for conversation but what is the option but to do so ? Ohbummer ! Lol !! That's the sad, honest truth as I see it & The Real Struggle Comes After November 6th !!!

However, consider that carte blanche voting for DemoCraps will only embolden the Dark Duopoly & perpetuate the status quo even further. Tara Dacktyl's ideas may fly but they are a recipe for more 'dinosaur politics', imo - tho' rest assured, voting RepubliCon is no answer or solution to anything.

verum rex absurdo ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Besides we need to concentrate on getting good people into office in state and federal houses to address real change for the people - if we can do that - then a dismal president is not so bad and can even be replaced. Let us start where it makes the most sense at this very point in time - where we CAN make change.

BTW - Joke for the day. In Bachmans latest ad She calls herself "Minnesota's Independent voice" What a crock of shit but - hey - nice try for getting some Independent voters Bitchele.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Re."a dismal president is not so bad and can even be replaced." - errr, ok good luck with that !!!

As for Bachman - she is as "Independent" as my left testicle is from my right !!

Frankly, sometimes I despair not just for Minnesota but for y'all !

Then I play a tune and try to move on. Eg : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWiIyxRjJgk ;-)

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Tis our own damn fault for being so damn passive. A dismal Obama is better then an evil mittens. At this point in time.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Our current struggle came after Nov. 4, 2008. But instead many took a bitch nap.

You are a very annoying and peevish writer, and I'll bet a real bitch. Paisley platitudes and talking points is all you spew.

Public negligence got us into the political mess we find ourselves, just like electing W allowed the team-fuck of our country and much of the world.

We don't get to reset, or shake the Etch A Sketch, we have to deal. This is reality, perfect pols and wonderful new election accommodations are not. That leaves 3rds in the dirt. Negligence again.

SO...

We have Cons and Dems. Cons are owned by the 1%, Dems are overruled by them. But this stupid situation is only made possible by constant misinformation and subsequent confusion and apathy among the electorate. Propaganda. Negligence. Exploitation.

We live in a sleepy land of ignorance and negligence; while money mad pirates and their worshiping zombie waifs pick our pockets, stifle our wages, offshore our jobs and stick "kick me" signs on all our backs. When we wake up to do something about it, we blame each other. A virtual Twilight Zone community of crabs in a bucket. And a shadz66 yelling out her window to get the one closest to the rim.

It's more sophisticated (and deliberate/even treasonous) but not new: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=15142

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-3rds-accomplished-bush-what-gop-accomplished-/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/10-dire-consequences-of-voting-3rd-or-pouting/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-mitt-romney-would-screw-the-red-states-that-su/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/not-just-potus-down-ballot-voting-info-4-u/

Which one of the 3rds has achieved the promises they advocate? Here's the problem, not only is it impossible for any of them to win until we adapt and reform our political system to accommodate 3rds, they can promise or advocate anything ANYTHING because they will never have an elected office in which they can achieve anything. Until we make the needed reforms, we have to keep RepubliCons out or we will go straight to hell in a hand basket. A vote for 3rds is a vote for Cons!

Get out the VOTE! Up and Down the ballot!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Thanx for trying to be offensive and it'll strike any third party reader quite readily exactly who is being "annoying and peevish" here. Your DemoCrap loyalty and attachment to the status quo is duly noted.

Re-read what was said and also consider : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32917.htm & if you still wish to be querulous, don't hesitate to come back for to me and I'll take my gloves off and get someone to hold my coat.

multum in parvo ...

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

It's not about you, try and imagine that.

It's about saving the county from delusions of Utopia, deception, amnesia and lies.

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/sandy-and-government-thumps-republicon-doctrine-de/

[-] 4 points by EconomyInCrisis (4) 1 year ago

Good for you, green is a great option.

[-] 4 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

it's awesome knowing I share similar thoughts and world views with someone as intelligent and awesome as Chris Hedges.

thanks for this post! One day people will wake up and start voting for those who actually represent them instead of voting for bombs in foreign countries and the theft of their rights.

Obama and Romney have been brought to you by billions of dollars in funding.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Chris Hedges is a Washington Post fraud. He is also an enemy of OWS, using violence of probable police provocateurs as the excuse to attack us.

Good ahead, be pure. That's what gave us Ronald Reagan and Woodrow Wilson (and the FED).

If martial law were to be declared, would you rather have Romney or Obama in office (even a largely puppet office)? To answer this, think about your own physical health and safety.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

the Obama campaign guys are on the attack!

It's my fault Reagan happened! String up Ralph Nader!!!! LOL

Go back to blaming republicans for republicans. It makes logical sense.

I'm voting for a living wage and medicare for all via Jill Stein. You can vote for Wall Street bailouts and bombs in foreign countries if you want... that's your choice.

I made a vow to not vote for anyone who plans on using bombs as standard foreign policy.

Also care to share a single link about how Chris Hedges is a fraud?

Had he said "Vote Obama" ... would you not think he was a fraud?

FUCK THE SYSTEM

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

I'm sorry you are so naive. I'm not inclined to think you are a player (as opposed to hchc). You might be interested in studying up on disinfo theory/information warfare. Or not.

Without Ratfuck Ralph, there would be approximately a million Iraqis still alive, thousands of our soldiers still alive, etc. I don't think that bothers him. He's a monster.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Fuck The System

Who said Iraq had WMD's and was a threat to America? Was it Bush, Cheney, the Clintons, or Biden?

It was all 5 of them.

What about a guaranteed at least 13 year war in Afghanistan? I say at least because I'm sure just like in Iraq, they will have thousands of hired mercs remain.

Now Obama and Romney are telling you crushing a civilian economy is necessary to fight off the Iranian nuclear threat! We might even have to bomb them if they don't comply... Romney and Obama said.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I don't think the US could ever live down

Saddam gassing the kurds

while we were supporting Iraq in a war with Iran in da 80's

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Bombing 6 nations in 4 years and you think they care what the silly letter on the end of someone's name is.

After 8 years of Obama blowing up shit, maybe you will finally open your eyes and realize its all the Gore goofs that cost NAder the election.

People stand up, stand up for the people, and you all just keep following the warmongers and the corporatists.

If you thinkj Gore had the balls to stand up to that, you're nuts. Especially since he already bombed him 3 times in the previous 8 years.

Open your fuckin eyes.

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

R U Trev's sockpuppet, or is Trev yours?

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Cant face reality can you? Come back with a dumb comment.

You will be on the side of occupy eventually, I guess the Dems just have to fuck you over a little bit more.

Then again, there is a segment on each side that seems to be digging their heels in even deeper as time goes by.

Stop digging. Start thinking.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Thank you very much, I sometimes feel very lonely in this vast sea of strident political ignoramuses, noble Unicorn chasers and Zombie GOP operatives.

A vote for 3rds is a vote for Cons.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-3rds-accomplished-bush-what-gop-accomplished-/

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

It's very sad. hchc, the machaevellian zombie GOP operative, seems to have found converts (unless they are all his sockpuppets).

"Democrats almost never win close elections. And the trick there, is to see to it, that a race looks or is close,” Mark Crispin Miller http://occupywallst.org/forum/has-the-election-already-been-stolen-for-romneyrya/#comment-868200 The third-party dupes are playing right into this.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

we don't vote for the winner

we vote what we believe should be

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Personally, I believe you are voting for Romney. I consider you another machaevellian zombie GOP operative.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

apparently, I can embody Mr Roboto by Styx

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Part of it. Supported by the GOP.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Your pinnacle of empty success... sad.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Do you just go around insulting people and calling them names?

Great campaign strategy for your candidate.... how many people has that worked on?

[-] -3 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

???

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

“Wall Street bailouts went ballistic under Obama—$700 billion under Bush, but $4.5 trillion under Obama, plus another $16 trillion in zero-interest loans for Wall Street"

LOL. Way to go guys. Where's the money now?

[-] 1 points by lf3567 (1) 1 year ago

Our entire family of 4 have already voted GREEN!

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[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

In the real world, the one we live in, it's imperative that we not allow RepubliCons to completely seize our governments, local to fed. Making a "statement" is really nice, but millions of people lost lives, families and homes from the last "statement."

Which one of the 3rds has achieved the promises they advocate? Where is the proof of their service? Why do they have to start at the top?

Here's the problem, not only is it impossible for any 3rds to win until we adapt and reform our political system to accommodate them, they can promise or advocate anything ANYTHING because they will never have an elected office in which they can achieve anything. Until we make the needed reforms, we have to keep RepubliCons out or we will go straight to hell in a hand basket. A vote for 3rds is a vote for Cons!

Quit being stupid. People suffer from Con regimes!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-3rds-accomplished-bush-what-gop-accomplished-/

http://republicandirtytricks.com/

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Paid for in love and exuberance by:

The Rombot-Ryan Campaign!

The Chamber of Commerce!

The MIC!

Big Fossil!

Big$!

The 1%!

So sweet the oblivious (or deliberate) consequences of Unicorn ignorance!!

[-] 3 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

The little children don't know they are being played and manipulated. Or some are the manipulators themselves, hoping to give all the levers of power to Romney and his merry neocons.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Ignorance is (still) bliss.

But I am sick to death of saying "I told you so" when the next crop of newbies and disengaged enter the game.

There never was, there isn't, and there will never be a perfect political party, a perfect candidate, or perfect politics!! WTFU!!

Cons will Kill this country!!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-3rds-accomplished-bush-what-gop-accomplished-/

[-] 3 points by Gillian (1842) 1 year ago

If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people? ..T. Jefferson

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

They are all happily watching Dancing with the Stars, X-Factor and COPs reruns.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

They came close the first time. 9/11 would never have happened if Gore had been able to secure his win. The RATpublicans needed to control all the levers of power to carry it off.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

It's the Power Elite. The Cons have lost all semblance of an American political party, they've become a cult and a maniacal few in the 1% is their Charlie Manson!

http://republicandirtytricks.com/

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The MIC!

Big Fossil!

Big$!

The 1%!

Thinks Dems are selling him a fuckin fairly tale..... HAHAHAHAHAHA

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

The RepubliCon Cult are the 3rds greatest supporters.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Tell that to all the RP and GJ supporters you fuckin hack....

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Who pays you, Mr. 3425?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So are you happy Ron didnt endorse Mittens? Because that is going to steal an ass load of votes.

And GJ is going to get a larger percentage of 3rd votes than Jill and rocky combined, so are you happy with him?

Or are you too shallow to go that far into it?

[-] 0 points by Futurevision1 (-75) 1 year ago

How about Merlin Miller?

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5878) 1 year ago

"All the major correctives to American democracy have come through movements and third parties that have operated outside the mainstream. Few achieved formal positions of power. These movements built enough momentum and popular support, always in the face of fierce opposition, to force the power elite to respond to their concerns. Such developments, along with the courage to defy the political charade in the voting booth, offer the only hope of saving us from Wall Street predators, the assault on the ecosystem by the fossil fuel industry, the rise of the security and surveillance state and the dramatic erosion of our civil liberties."

"“The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don’t have any,” Alice Walker writes."

"It was the Liberty Party that first fought slavery. It was the Prohibition and Socialist parties, along with the Suffragists, that began the fight for the vote for women and made possible the 19th Amendment. It was the Socialist Party, along with radical labor unions, that first battled against child labor and made possible the 40-hour workweek. It was the organizing of the Populist Party that gave us the Immigration Act of 1924 along with a “progressive” tax system. And it was the Socialists who battled for unemployment benefits, leading the way to the Social Security Act of 1935. No one in the ruling elite, including Franklin Roosevelt, would have passed this legislation without pressure from the outside."


None of that provides any reason for Chris Hedges voting for Jill Stein. Outside groups putting pressure on the government is called activism whether its from a political party or a non-political group. It wasn't anyone voting for activist political parties that produced change, it was the activism of the parties themselves. If one is in agreement with such activism, one should join them in their activism rather than confusing their activism as a reason for voting for a single person...which brings up another point. Who is Chris Hedges voting for for the Senate? Who is Chris Hedges voting for for the House? Who is Chris Hedges voting for for governor or the state senate or the state house? Will they be Green Party candidates as well or is Chris only voting for Jill Stein as a form of protest with no real commitment to the party platform she represents?

"I will invest my energy now solely in acts of resistance, in civil disobedience and in defiance. Those who rebel are our only hope. And for this reason I will vote next month for Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, although I could as easily vote for Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party."

Well then, I guess that answers that.

"If public opinion really mattered in this race, we [her presidential ticket] would win. We have majority support in poll after poll on nearly all of the key issues, from downsizing the military budget and bringing the troops home, to taxing the rich, to stopping the Wall Street bailouts, to breaking up the banks, to ending the offshoring of jobs, to supporting workers’ rights, to increasing the minimum wage, to health care as a human right, through Medicare for all. These are the solutions a majority of Americans are clamoring for.”

If American voters truly agree with the Green Party, why are there roughly only 160 locally elected officials of the party throughout the country? How is it that the Tea Party can get people into Congress in less than 2 years but the more than 20 year old Green Party can't?

I think what applies to Republican voting Americans somewhat applies to Democrat voting Americans as well when it comes to voting against their own best interests. http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12385-whats-still-the-matter-with-kansas-and-the-democrats

[-] 0 points by Weaver (60) 1 year ago

People say voting 3rd party is wasting your vote. In reality, it is a waste of a vote to not vote according to ones values. Nothing will change until you vote against corporate power. Vote for anybody but a Democrat or Republican. ( . . . and Jill Stein is worthy of my vote)

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Don't vote for Romney. Anything else is cool. We'll sort things out later.

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Partisans, please read this carefully.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

aAHhahahaha....cough....wait a minute . . . that's not funny:

Mittens Wants Your Braaaaaaaains (Just Ask Joss Whedon) This election season, emotions are running high. As they should. There is a lot at stake. Healthcare reform. Unrestrained corporate power. A woman’s...

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

on a presidential level healthcare reform is not at stake as it would need to pass via congress... and the repeal has failed time and time again in congress. Mittens also likes many parts of the reform now... or so he alleges... it's hard to tell because he flips and flops more than a fish out of water.

Medicare for all would be better healthcare reform. Which is why I support people that actually work for it. People like Jill Stein. Speaking of women's rights.... JILL STEIN!

unrestrained corporate power has been happening for a long time now and is happening now and will continue to happen under Obama and Romney. Pelosi herself was even on tv this week bragging about deregulation under this administration. Perhaps you remember dems siding with repubs in their deregulation package called the Jump Start Our Businesses Act that repealed regulations put in place to protect investors after ENRON... and more.

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

RINO's and DINO's must go.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

If Romney sweeps and gets the White House no doubt the Senate goes GOP too, and the GOP will use "reconciliation" to destroy what's good about the Obama health care plan. But you probably have health insurance from your job so who really gives a shit, right?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Actually I don't have health insurance through my job and this insurance plan does not give me coverage. Will I benefit in 2014?

I am one of those millions of people that do not really benefit from this plan. I do know that many people do as far as preexisting conditions and such go and in other areas.

I would greatly benefit from Jill Stein's medicare for all plan though. One of the reasons I will be voting for her.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

TM you are an ass, as well as daft.

People suffer all over the world when Cons seize power.

A vote for a 3rd is a vote for a Con.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Wall Street got more attention from Obama than Americans in dire need of a minimum wage increase.

One of the other reasons I'm voting for Jill Stein. She wants a living wage.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I guess that's why they are dumping all their campaign funds into the Rombot/Gop bank.

See, in the political/MSM world the JOB CREATORS (and their legions of pundits) are saying that they cannot POSSIBLY create jobs because Obama (that skinny black Kenyan) is just way too hostile. And because they own the Media, Obama must appease them. Look what happened in 2010!

Remember the down ballot Vote, too!

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I would benefit if ifs and buts were candies and nuts. So would you. I would benefit if the right wing racist coalition united behind Mitt Romney got their asses whipped as would millions of black people, women and gays, not to mention Iranians and Palestinians. Yes for some reason Bibi Netanyhu and Sheldon Adelson are with you on this- down with Obama!

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

And for some reason Obama and Romney are pushing the same strategy toward Iran.

Back Israel no matter what - Check

Sanctions that cripple a civilian economy and drive down innocent civilians standards of living - Check

Military action if Iran does not meet US gov's standards - Check

Confirmed as recently in the debates last week.|

"In fact, this week we'll be carrying out the largest military exercise with Israel in history, this very week." - Obama at the foreign policy debate

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

"And for some reason Obama and Romney are pushing the same strategy toward Iran. Back Israel no matter what - Check" - except that Bibi and Sheldon don't think so -

http://www.boldfacenews.com/quousque-tandem-abutere-catilina-patientia-nostra/

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Who cares what Sheldon thinks on this issue....

I care about what the 2 men running for president have said in regards to the issue.

Go watch the debate... they agree on Iran. Go to their websites... they agree on Iran. Watch them talk about Iran... they agree on Iran.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

No, who cares what you or I think on this issue. Sheldon and Bibi's opinions carry a bit more clout. I want to sting them and wipe the smirk off their arrogant supremacist faces. Time for me to check out. Maybe tomorrow.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You have to be a Con Zombie. No one is that naive.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

It's only facts from the debate they both participated in.

Here's a link to the transcript

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/presidential-debate-full-transcript/story?id=17538888

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

TM is out of the Con closet! Finally. A real "Anderson Cooper" surprise.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/chris-hedges-is-voting-green-but-im-voting-for-oba/

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Funny how you're not saying "Obama didn't say that and he didn't agree with Romney on Iran."

You're not saying that because it would be a lie.

You can't make facts disappear by calling people "Con"

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

NO!

What is TELLING: you go on and on about hypotheticals in Iran, where NOTHING has happened, in thinly veiled Con talking points to denigrate Obama;

but you totally IGNORE the untold millions of real DEATHS and LOSSES we are still REALLY suffering from the last RepubliCon Regime!!!

You are outed, Troll!!!

GET OUT THE VOTE!!!

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I've had several post in regards to the numbers in Iraq under the Bush administration. Even posts on the Malaysian Tribunal that confirmed mostly common knowledge that there were serious war crimes committed.

war crimes are war crimes

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Excellent, you get a prize.

Now put your actions where you "say" your heart is and pursue the worst offenders first! Don't sit on this board and just whine incessantly that Obama and Dems are the sources of all evils, crimes and horrors, ignoring the real offenders: the 1%-GOP!!

Until that happens, which would be odd, you remain a troll.

Get Out the VOTE ~ up AND down the ballots ~ Local to Fed!!!

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I'll speak against all offenders.

less murder is still murder. Indefinite detention laws are still indefinite detention laws. Drone strikes are war crimes. Hiring private mercs to make troops levels seem lower is still wrong.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago
[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Romney doesnt have a prayers chance of "winning". Your belief that this is a democracy is very naive.

The GOP, like the Dems, will do what they were bribed to do, one of which is make the insurance cartel a lot of money, hence force the people to buy from them.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Romney does have one chance of winning. If at some point this year the banksters and their cohorts decided he was a better fit with their plans than Obama, then Mitt will be the next Pres.

[-] 3 points by Weaver (60) 1 year ago

The people in power decided on these two as candidates. They will use the winner as a puppet once elected. What they don't have control over is the people who vote for anybody but a Democrat or Republican.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Agree on all counts.

[-] 3 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

They've already stolen two presidential elections and got almost no blowback. Why wouldn't they go for one more? The GOP can find other ways to pay off the Insurance companies, and I don't doubt they're already figuring that one out.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Money in politics and a biased 2 party system steals the election every year.

[-] 3 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Dennis Kucinich's resolution plus two dollars and twenty five cents could have got me onto the subway early yesterday (but not today). the Democrats are not any panacea, they barely even fight for themselves and they have to be pushed aside. Trouble is a victory dance coast to coast by the white supremacists, gay bashers, the anti women theologists would really be a catastrophe and i want to stop that. We do need a revolutionary leadership and party to get out of the mess most of us find ourselves in.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Sorry I shortened my comment. Didn't realize you responded so quickly....

Anyway yeah I mentioned Dennis Kucinich and the lack of support from the party to help him lead impeachment of Bush. Corruption was at foot.

Seriously.... no amount of fearmonger propaganda will get me to vote for pro-war candidates. You might as well stop trying to do it.

If the democrats wanted me to vote for a democrat president, then the democrats shouldn't have chose a guy that bombed 6 countries in one term.

No thanks to that. I'll vote for Jill who has better policies in regards to race, war, women, and the economy.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

In a sense I'm not even talking to you Trevor. I'm defending my position in a public forum. You put up stuff about me and my position I defend myself and my position. That's the deal and I know your mind is set and won't change - certainly not in the next ten days.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I suppose they could find other ways to pay them off, but if Aetna and Humana and the like are funding their party with millions, I dont see the party then deciding to shove it up their ass if they get a chance.

Insurance stocks have been going only since April 09, since they got their mandate with the "reform". Its pretty clear that Congress like to talk about repealing things, but its usually not brought up after a power shift.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Anything is possible. We do after all live in the land of Oz....

But still the GOP is the spearhead of racism and fascism in the US today and I want them stopped.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Well, the GOP did manage to steal two presidential elections and there was almost no blowback worth thinking about. Today the "left opposition" is largely OWS (what a catastrophe this state of affairs) and OWS does not concern itself with election rigging in this country, only in other countries.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Republicans can and will hamper the implementation of health care. Pretending they can't derail it betrays your partisanship.

Jill Stein is great! Too bad she can't. She would fight against conservative policies.

Are you campaign for her here? Is that allowed?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

repubs in Congress can derail it. I'm pointing out that Paul Ryan can't use his widows peak to stab it.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

That's just silly. Jill Stein would fight against the conservative policies. Which is what makes her great. True progressive.

However we MUST replace anti public option conservatives w/ pro public option progressives & protest for change that benefits the 99%.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

for sure

[-] -3 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Sorry but Jill is de facto a Republican operative, defacto trying to help the GOP overturn the first black president. She can talk all the good shit she wants but that's what she is.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Independents are the largest registered voting block at this point in time - would it not be just hilarious if the dems and reps both lost to Jill? I mean it would be awesome if we could elect support for Jill at the same time. But what a kick in the balls for the status-quo.

[-] -1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

And it would be awesomer if you could give me some of whatever you're smoking. (Just kidding, I'm too old for that wacky weed stuff.)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U aren't dead you aren't too old. BTW I do not currently smoke the herbal remedy - 4 some dumb reason it is illegal.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I'm too old to go looking for ways to blur my mind. Old age will take care of that probably in due time. Already I do have "senior moments" and I'd rather not have more of those than necessary. It's illegal and it ought not be illegal.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So I take it that you don't drink alcohol.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

So rarely will I drink a beer (one) before going to sleep that it almost amounts to "teetotaler." Maybe at a wedding I'll have one drink and I don't attend many weddings, less than one per year.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That is 100% more harmful to your body then if you took one drag of mary-jane or even smoked a bowl or joint.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Could be true what you say. Did I tell you I'm perfect? If I did I was lying....

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26178) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So . . . who is perfect(?) . . . if I walk on water it best be very shallow ( 1/4" or something like ) or frozen.

Here is a good documentary for you to check out.

The Hemp Revolution http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/hemp-revolution/

[-] 1 points by andover4 (-33) 1 year ago

dissatisfaction with obama has nothing to do with his skin color. its his ideology.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Complacency about the threat posed by a Romney win may be color related though. Think about that.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Maybe. I don't know. She cannot win. She may possibly be a spoiler. But regardless, Pres Obama is the best choice for Pres of those who can be elected, so he must get enough votes to beat every one.

Thats all there is to it.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

"De Facto" means "in fact" and not necessarily how she views herself in her own mind's eye, which will forever be a mystery to me. De facto she is on the Romney team, regardless what she may think it is she's doing.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So do you support all the people who will vote for RonPaul and GAry Johnson, seems how they would be deemed as stealing votes for Mittens.

The machine on the right is telling people and using fear to limit choice, keep it only two evil choices, just like you are. Thats not a healthy way a country operates.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Better they vote for their true hearts than vote for Romney. Why? Because unlike you I want Romney to lose.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So now you know whom Im voting for, and I dont go too deep into political campaiging on here, but who I have been campaigning for too?

It must be nice to have a crystal ball. Or just be a big enough asshole that you can just prance around making baseless accusations haha.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

In campaigning for Stein you are campaigning in fact for Romney. I don't think that's too difficult for you to grasp.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The propaganda you are spewing is exactly how the corporations want you think and behave. You are unique blend of someone who wants to sound like you are some quasi revolutionary and back the anarchists, and then tell us to endorse the status quo in the next breathe. Confused much?

Campaigning for Romney or Obama is campaigning for of the same. But if you are good, you can make $600 a week, so I guess it keeps your head above water for a little bit longer.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

OMG then my hourly pay is pretty good as i don't spend so much time here- I have a job that usually requires me to work 70+ hours a week, and in so doing I do get by. PS due to the sorm I;m not working today.

PPS- Seriously look at your whiteness and your allrightness with the status quo and your role playing and game playing here.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You should stick to your day job haha.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I hear you. I can't dispute that view. But it is the way it is.

So we must beat them all.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Thanks. We agree on some things.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It ain't gonna be easy, but whoever wins we MUST stay active, protest, and pressure all pols for progressive change that benefits the 99%.

[-] -1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

agreed

[-] -3 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Chris Hedges and his "wisdom" ought to be repudiated by OWS. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/07/1062424/-Chris-Hedges-Very-Public-Meltdown

[-] 4 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

It is possible to agree with Hedges, or anyone, on some issues while disagreeing with them on others.

[+] -4 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Sure that could make sense except that what Hedges did and what his name now represents is an attack on the young people who are or were in the vanguard of the Occupy Movement at the time it had captured the respect and admiration of millions among especially the 47 percent, a respect and expectation that by now has all but evaporated btw.

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

Would you say the same if Hedges were encouraging people in swing states to vote for Obama?

Given that you call Jill Stein a "de facto Republican operative", I'm guessing not.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Its pretty appauling to know people who are busting their ass for Jill and to educate people that this isnt as good as it gets, and then see people call them Republican operatives.

[-] -1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I would say that this position he is taking on the election is consistent with his attack on the heart and soul of the Occupy movement - the angry militant disenchanted youth looking for a way forward and not afraid of getting banged up in the search. I advocate an effective vote against the racist right in every state because there needs to be a moral repudiation of them, meaning not only an electoral college defeat but a popular vote defeat. I don't doubt if the GOP loses in the electoral but squeaks by in the popular vote we will be hearing a seeing a lot from them and it will be ugly.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

It's not surprising that you support both black bloc and the Democratic party. Both help the status quo stay in place.

[-] -1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

It's not surprising you are a cop caller and a GOP operative. They infest this place.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

I'm flattered that you would place me in the same category as Jill Stein.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

No, I'm putting you in the cop caller bag with hedges, whose shit was unavoidable. I don't know if Stein is a cop caller too. Her doings never were so important to me to want to go find out.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Black bloc ought to be repudiated by Occupy.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Right, a guy who writes an article is a huge problem, but lets not repudiate the commander in chief who has bombed 6 nations in 3 years.

Lets not repudiate an entire system that only serves the big money, lets keep voting for more...but we should definitely make a statement against Chris Hedges.

Im half kidding here, but did you like some of his articles and speaking engagements before you read this one?

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I advocate that Obama stand trial in an international setting alongside Bush and Cheney. I also advocate that the far right racist Republicans get their asses beat on November 6. Maybe you are too dense to see there is no contradiction there. Maybe your vision is all "whited out."

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I can sign on to that.

Kick the right wings ass!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"Maybe your vision is all "whited out.""

..haha....not sure where you got that from, but if that's your first instinct to explain anything you may want to take a couple steps, or many many steps back and think about what it is you are insinuating.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I think the last one was stretching the race issue a bit, but yes, I oppose anyone who makes a decision about someone based on their skin color. One would think we were past that at this point, but then again maybe we will never get past it.

[-] -1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Well boss, "we" aren't yet "past race" and so your stand on the election is "racial." (Anti black) have a nice day.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

haha you are a piece of work. Hopefully you stir up shit for living, because you are quite good at it. Managed to take my statement that there are much bigger issues than Chris HEdges that Occupy should stay focused on, and brought us all the way around to this.

Good job. You must be a hoot to protest with.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Hoot on this one, pops: US politics is about race. And Hedges is a piece of shit for cop calling on OWS stalwarts.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Politicians and the machine love race, yes.

If you feel that way about HEdges, thats fine. Sounds like you run a pretty tight ship. Which was what my original reply was meant to reflect on, that its too bad Occupy, and people in general, didnt hold other people in leadership positions to that level of accountability.

You really shouldn't call people racist whom you have never met, who may be doing a lot of good work on things, because it kind of puts you in the same category as the person you are bashing on this post. Just something to think about.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

People that provide links and quotes from the John Birch Society, shouldn't even mention race in a place like this.

You never know who the real racists are, but the (R)epelican't party is full of them.

They could be your neighbors, in the deep south.

http://abcnews.go.com/watch/nightline/SH5584743/VD55243116/nightline-1026-inside-the-new-ku-klux-klan

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I don't know you personally, I don't know how you conduct your non virtual life. What I do know is that here on this form your stances are objectively and in an actual way of assistance to the GOP.

This "non leader" stuff is of course bullshit and leaders should be accountable to the led. Maybe that lack of accountability is part of the explanation for the dwindling of OWS, which has many causes and no easy cures.