Forum Post: What protest tactics should OWS use in its second year?
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 1, 2012, 3:59 p.m. EST by JackTG
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AdBusters called for flash camping sites at the beginning of the summer, and now they're calling for an occupation of Capitol Hill for Halloween. What protest tactic do you think OWS should use?
Get a million people to their state capitals on same day across country to decry citizens united. organize for next Labor day so all can attend. Might want to join other groups on this. Does Ows have negative stigma in general population?
Good idea. OWS does have a negative stigma in some parts of general population.
But a widespread day of action should be many groups not just Occupy.
Good thinking but be under no allusion as to who or what instigated this thread, same as : http://occupywallst.org/forum/whats-this-sites-remaining-life-expectancy/ -- ergo caveat !!
Right. Thx.
What's the purpose of ad hominem? Does it change the arguments of the proposer in some type of magical way? You think I'm a "troll" and I think you're a conspiracy theorist. We both have our reasons to think that. However, in the end, only our arguments matter.
Consider : http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-all-lies-obama-didnt-know-intel-agencies-warne/#comment-848000 ... et cave 'anguis in herba' !!
I provided a ton of various arguments on this site my friend.
WOW! A ton in less than a week.
A highly foreshortened ton, perhaps?
Use "Strategic Law Breakage" on unjust or outdated laws to drive the system into reform. Fight it in a public trial.
To support the OWS Declaration
....... “a democratic government derives its just power from the people,
....... not from corporations”
...... and to do what polls show 80% of Americans want -
......... To get corrupting money out
......... of our political system by passing
......... a Constitutional Amendment that will:
►Reverse the 2010 Supreme Court decision Citizens United that enabled super-pacs
►Reverse the 1976 Supreme Court decision Buckley that equated money is speech
►Eliminate the 1886 judicially created fiction that corporations are people
attract candidates to support an amendment, and
attract voters to support an amendment, and
attract voters to support candidates who support an amendment
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com
No offense to rockers but it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.
While the leaderless OWS is out protesting, the leadership of the tea party is getting politicians elected to office and politicians to pass their bills that further shapes society to the will of the 1%.
OMG - are you committing heresy against our anti-leader religion ?
the tea potty is a failure -
they only succeeded in taking over one half of America's primary parties and locked down progressive change for at least two years.
...................☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
Getting anything done requires leadership. The 1% are laughing at the OWS's leaderless movement all the way to the bank.
I would say the tea party has been a huge success.
And the tea party is just the latest incarnation of the 1%'s social movement. The 1%'s social movement has been making gains, pushing society more and more right, for the past 30 years.
You're committing blasphemy against the OWS religion in two different ways now.
Yes, I am a heretic.
In addition to shutting down government, they are shutting down their party to chance to win nationwide.
They destroyed the "common-sense" GOP and members, and replaced it with a lunatic-led double speaking power grabbing rich person's club.
But yes they have seized half or more of the power, despite being an outspoken minority.
Education, Education, and Education. If the people don't understand what is really happening politically and economically, they won't support the change that will benefit the bottom 99%.
student body governments should demand election day be a holiday
Quit protesting politics and start petitioning the people.
The people are the power when you focus them.
In 24 states, activists can organize the people to pass state wide ballot initiatives that can change nearly half the country for the better and entice the rest of the country with the positive results.
In 1900 municipalities throughout the country, activists can organize the people to pass ordinances that prevent corporations from dominating and devestating their local economies.
In 1900 municipalities throughout the country, activists can organize cooperative enployment services with the crowd funding help of the local community.
And throughout the 50 states, activists can organize the people around affidavits that legally hold politicians to the people's demands.
If OWS is truly about the people, then it's far beyond time for OWS to start focusing on petitioning the people in acts of social changing solidarity.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/
Hold demonstrations in states that are particularly tough on third parties in local politics -like Pennsylvania, Georgia, and North Carolina- urging them to reform their election laws.
Take Pennsylvania, for instance...
"In 2006, Carl Romanelli, Green Party candidate for U.S. Senate, was required to turn in an unprecedented 67,000 signatures to get on the ballot because in 2004, a presidential year, then-state Treasurer candidate Bob Casey Jr. earned 3.4 million votes, the most in the state. Romanelli turned in nearly 100,000 signatures, the largest total in state history. He still got the boot—and was ordered to pay his opponents’ legal fees."
From: http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/cover-story/142523755.html#ixzz28FLzIpTA
A third party president would be greatly assisted by there being some members of their party in Congress. Having more visible third party politicians in state positions would probably be the best advertisement for changing people's deeply-bred, 2-party leanings.
The fine art of verbal buffaloing.
"verbal buffaloing"? Never heard of it.
I buffalo You buffalo He/She/They buffalo
Doge City. Perfected by Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterton, Bill Tilghman etc. W. Earp was known not for the number of men that he killed but for the number of men that he didn't. In Dodge City (depending on the time), you could not bring your guns into town. The cow hands that would come in might get hammered at one of the 16 saloons and the gun would come out. So, Earp would take the barrel of his gun (10-12 inches long) and smack someone over the head with it. That is buffaloing. If the guy was still conscious, then he would grab him by his earlobe and throw him a cell and then fine him for the gun. If the guy wasn't conscious then he was dragged into the cell and fined for the gun.
Those guys perfected it and it was an art. I propose the fine art of verbal buffaloing.
Ok! I'm with you.
How would that translate in practice?
I think Ows should try to get a million people to march against citizens united.
It would be nice to have it enough in advance to be planned well, and to allow for people and families to attend.
Also, it might be nice to do this July 4' , but they capital probably has the place booked already, although we could all show up with our freedom signs.
It would be nice to have some freedom inspiring music to raise our spirits and bring people out. I recommend Randy Hansen, who does Jimmy Hendrix Music, and he really fires up,a crowd, but does family showsc too. He plays a mean "machine gun", basically plays all Hendrix spot on, and he was always saying "F" Bush's war-mongering.
Remember Apocolypse Now. He played the Hendrix Tracks for the movie.
http://www.randyhansen.com/fr_welcome.cfm
He tours Europe and US. Check out his site or you tube.
Occupying Capitol Hill would be different.
Play it by ear.
Voting could have been a useful tactic for November. But the window has closed on that already.
(BTW: "now they're".)
Thanks for the correction.
FreeDA
http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/
OWS should protest by actually doing something beyond merely being seen and heard in a crowd. For the next two years and beyond, they should promote voter solidarity in common demands that will be answered by new and possibly old candidates willing to legally support those demands.
They should promote anti-corporate initiatives at both the state and local levels.
And they should point an arrow at the heart of the corporate dominated system by establishing a cooperative enployment service.
I think they should write checks to the government to protest spending.
Not serious! useless, meaningless, unproductive.
no good ideas because you don't support OWS or the 99%?
I support the vision of an OWS; I do not support OWS. Because this is all a ruse.
So then your purpose here is what? To convince us that this all a ruse?
In what way is"this is all a ruse"?
Nooo... this is just one more place to park myself for awhile; your intent as "mistake" is the grant of a forum.
The Christopher Hedges of the world are very interesting people. But they don't change the world; it's people like you and I that change the world through a process of national discourse. To change the world you must speak directly to the hearts and minds of people. And I know it's effective because the words I have used have many times returned to haunt me; they arrive, verbatim, in daily conversations, via the Net, even via the national media.
There are no "rights" and "wrongs" within a cultural mindset, only distinct vantage points; while you and I play the clown, to the victor goes the crown, the world listens. And it balances.
The Winter of our Discontent has not arrived yet; with a little help from my friends, and there are many, it never shall.
Enough, and so to the End Game: this where you call me a "racist" and we part for a few... as the world listens.
Ok!
It's a ruse intended to attract anyone of societal angst for the purpose of gaining 'bama votes; while I understand the appeal of his public presence, his focus at each and every turn is wholly contrary to the stated intentions of OWS.
A concerted mob, born of a common angst, which lends unceasing support to that which they profess to rage against, is what? You have allowed yourselves to become the unwitting pawns in an other's game, just angry people...
I see mainly anti Obama partisans like yourself here on this site.
I suppose it's all just matter of perspective.
So you are against people supporting Obama? Why? I believe in freedom enough to allow all political persuasions.
Mostly I think OWS supporters want an end to the 1% getting over on the rest of us. A new system is the goal, And reform within until that happens. That's why I come here. Not you?
Isn't that the plan?
Whats your plan? Stop any Obama supporters at all costs?
Please do tell.
What's your great and holy alternative?
Be honest, you really, really miss Mr. P.
My personal great and holy alternative is to play the hand that is dealt to win; I have always made it a personal habit to embrace idiocracy for the sole purpose of watching it implode.
Pretty good not answer the question, but it's OK, I'm used to it.
How many other times have you posted something similar under a different moniker?
Idiocy? You're infected. You should have that treated.
I've been everywhere in the western world over the past fifteen years; my postings probably number in the tens of thousands, of various "monikers" and numerous causes. It's not I that is infected. :)
Pretty good still not answering the question, while begging others questions to be asked.
Yeah.....It's you who is infected. You can deny it, but that won't change a thing.
Dishonesty is your infection.
Now wiggle and squirm................:)
There are only two avenues - repeated law suits which challenge their corruption and the vote to remove. Implosion in this case is but a final solution; it would be devastating.
How does one vote to remove "implosion?
Just what the fuck is an implosion in this case anyway?
It behooves you to try and be a little less opaque.
An implosion is the collapse of economy - all government, all corporations, all societal institutions of any kind including even the church would cease to exist overnight.
Bullets will become dollars...
Still opaque?
Yes, it's all you are capable of.
BTW, if it comes to bullets.....................you will lose.
It's our destiny - bullets will become the currency of our future.
Ouch, that little nugget of truth hurt. I doubt you'll find a receptive audience for truth around here.
Getting pepper sprayed, is anything but a ruse.
Getting arrested is anything but a ruse.
Getting punched and beaten, is anything but a ruse.
Perhaps it's you who is the ruse?
demand election day be a holiday
protest on election day