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Forum Post: Welcome To The United States Of Gingrichstan....The Neoconservative, Libertarian, Paradise Of Fools.

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 11, 2011, 10:50 p.m. EST by puff6962 (4052)
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An Address By The President of NewtGingrichstan:

Thank you for joining me my fellow Reaganites. This past year has been a good one for our country. We continued our efforts to push the liberal radicals back into the ghettos and back towards the Democratic Republic of York Canada. We continue to limit the flow of arms across this border and our anti-terrorist efforts paid off in January when we captured the renegade reporter Maddow. Her public trial will begin once her associates can be brought to justice.

This year, our government was advised by Exxon and General Electric that underlabor had received suboptimal treatment and their children were falling asleep while on the job. We therefore invested heavily in raising higher walls around our suburbs and updated the lighting within the factories so that productivity will again rise.

We have continued to lobby our major food supplier, Monsanto, to divide some of it's operations in order that competition will again promote cleaner and safer foods. We have resisted the calls from our fellows, sympathetic to underlabor, to institute governmental inspections of our food supply. However, I have been assured by my friends at Monsanto that the poisonings and contaminated food outbreaks of the past year were related to saboteurs and those liberals that remain within our borders. We must be vigilant and collaborators must be identified. In Reagan we trust. Our federal government, however, will have no role in regulating the size or the scope of business. I have promised our corporate sponsors the continued support of our people.

There are again calls for increasing spending on the elderly and we have dealt with persistent complaints in their dealings with underlabor. I must say this emphatically, now, because otherwise this issue will continue to plague us. No citizen is to receive support after the age of 62. Our low income tax rates must not change and we cannot risk upsetting the sponsors of our government by returning the corporate tax. Citizens must continue to invest their money overseas and in underlabor enterprises so that they may sustain themselves after this age. Family members can supervise their underlaborers in caring for the elderly, or they can delegate this job to underlaborer supervisors. Those elderly who cannot be managed in this format will be transferred to our special hospice centers and family need not visit them thereafter. We understand that saying 'good bye' is difficult and the state seeks only for you to have to do it once. The continued propaganda from our enemies regarding the condition of these centers simply proves that we are doing the right thing. We will, however, continue to reduce hospice funding as requested by our pharmaceutical sponsor, MerkPfizer, who requires additional underlabor for its manufacture of their new blockbuster drug, "Cleerlung."

It is hoped that our great corporations will continue their use of the cleanest coal and petroleum distillates. The air quality of our capital has improved dramatically since the transfer of our energy production sites to the York Canada border. We will suffer no more citywide shutdowns due to polluted air and I will, I will, always resist the calls by the radical moderates that we should somehow slow down the progress of this nation for the sake of better air quality. Our corporations will, through the efficiency of the market, find the best solutions in dealing with their waste and "Cleerlung" has allowed most of us to put away our breathing masks.

That brings me to my next point, my fellow Reaganites, underlabor must be sifted for the threads of intelligence that it contains. I know this point is controversial, but we simply must provide certain members of this class, with proper monitoring, some basic reading and writing skills. Our defense industry continues to be our largest exporter and there is considerable demand for an intermediate designation of underlaborer first class. These individuals would then receive running water, but pay would otherwise remain unchanged. We simply must not fall behind the Chinese and Brazilians in our defense of NewtGingrichstan and we must make underlabor pull its weight. Our savior once stared down a nuclear power called the Soviet Union and so must we stand up to our enemies. Our research in this area continues to be sponsored by our final remaining native corporation, Boeing, and we have high hopes for our new drone tanks and bombers. The Brazilians will encroach no further along our southern border without facing a showdown. This I promise you.

I would like to thank our Religious brethren for the continued work in trying to save the souls of underlabor. The gospel of our Savior, Ronald Reagan, will triumph over the socialist and anarchist message of the discredited Christ. Our evangelists continue their New Testament project and I have been told that the official Reagan text shall appear within the next twelve months. I cannot tell you what a challenge this has been for the scholars involved. The miracles of the Lord Reagan were simply so numerous--and the observers now so late in years--that magnitude of this work must be appreciated by all of His followers. Those who still cling to the discredited Christ text will continue to forfeit their rights of citizenship and we will continue to purge this blight on the minds of underlabor. In Reagen we trust!

In the coming year, I promise to continue our wall building endeavors so that our suburban citizens will not have to look upon the scourge of the underclass. I will redouble, under the sponsorship of ADT and Halliburton, our home surveillance programs. We will contain this Democratic underlabor strife and we will keep taxes low. Thank Reagan and the virgin mother, Ayn Rand, for this beautiful land. We will be great once again.

Thank you, and good night.

Newt Beck Gingrich the second.

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[-] 11 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

Are you trying to imply that the Republicans are catering to the global interests of the rich rather than the citizens of America?

I keep hearing this sort of propaganda over and over. Some people seem to think that exporting our jobs to third world countries is somehow bad and may be the reason that we are in this state of decline. Are you one of these people?

Maybe you should watch a little more Fox news and get your head straight

[-] 8 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes. Republicans are catering to those who have benefited from the current system and to those who hope to. This latter group includes a broad array of dumbasses, religious nutcases, and nuevo wealth. It's a big tent.

[-] 1 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

"This latter group" you refer to, is it the current candidates or are you referring to the GOP in office that are protecting tax breaks for outsourcing, while not doing anything to promote jobs in America?

[-] -1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I was being a little sarcastic.

[-] -2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Both.

[-] 0 points by Brandon37 (372) 12 years ago

Meanwhile, OWS protesters break into area owned by a Church to protests what you say? Church. How constructive.

Then OWS comes out against a pipeline that would lower our fuel costs and offer thousands of jobs to American citizens.

You sir are twisted in what is important and what is not.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I'm sorry, are you a religious nutcase or a dumbass?

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 12 years ago

If you want to represent the 99 percent, you better stop trying to erode to moral fiber of this nation. You can justify it all you want. This is exactly what is happening. I am far from a religious nutcase. I rarely go to Church. However, what does Church have to do with the economic system?

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

huh?

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 12 years ago

Duarte Square

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Isn't that about the stupidest fucking thing? Occupy a Church?

Why not occupy Fox News, occupy the Koch residence, or occupy Grover Norquist?

A church lot....a bunch of grungy looking mother fuckers getting their 15 microseconds of fame.

First you get the power then you get the change. All else is arm waiving.

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 12 years ago

agreed

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[-] 4 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 12 years ago

poe's law

[-] 2 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

What does poe's law mean?

[-] 0 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 12 years ago

it means i was not sure whether you were serious or not. I had to google it the first time i saw poe's law mentioned.

[-] 1 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

"I was trying to be sarcastic. I guess I sounded too realistic. Sometimes it’s very hard to out absurd the brained washed righties"

I cut this from an earlier explanation.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 12 years ago

yeah, i kinda got that

[-] 2 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

I have found that when you say the same thing that they are saying but with a degree more of absurdity, they seem to get a sense of their own absurdity and usually don't have a valid response

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes, but we must work towards RonPaulistan for the sake of Liberty!

Work for your bread, underlaborer, or the job creators will have to do their own creating.

[-] 1 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

you are getting it

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 12 years ago

All hail the great prophet Rush. Now let us worship in the temple of Fox.

[-] 1 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

Finally an island of sanity in a sea of stupidy.

Yes Fox is thee devine word and should be recognized as such.

All other media are simply false idols!

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Newt Gingrich will be the face of Libertarianism in the years to come and Fox news will adopt it as their ideological underpinnings.

Somehow, this message resonates most amongst those who will be most hurt by it's policies.

[-] 2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Republicans are the global interests.

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[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Keep on believing that soup until it gets poured over you.

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[-] 0 points by leavethecities (318) 12 years ago

I though electioneering WAS BANNED LIKE CAPS LOCKS swswdd dd lower lower.

[-] 2 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

Do you just tend to see what you want to see?

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

What is electioneering?

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I just now got that you were being sarcastic.

[-] 0 points by bobonit (59) 12 years ago

You are joking right. What idiot can't see how outsourcing has devastated this countrly?

You need to watch less Fox news. Quit drinking that Kool aid

[-] 3 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

I was trying to be sarcastic. I guess I sounded too realistic. Sometimes it’s very hard to out absurd the brained washed righties

I can only take about five minutes of Fox pundits talking to their believers. It is like listening to somebody talk to a child as if they are a baby.

[-] 3 points by bobonit (59) 12 years ago

You got me on that one LOL

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

God, I hope that people don't read this and think it's serious. Although, Newt is going to be the nominee. The second most dangerous man in American history.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Fox news runs America today. The propagandists are controlling the propagandists.

[-] 5 points by FutureNow (92) 12 years ago

I agree that Fox is "one” of the propaganda broadcasters. I think the brainwashing comes from all corporate media. Right, left or middle, each broadcaster is speaking to the various personality types and dividing and distracting us.

Check this out. Tell if me you think all of these different media outlets were not talking from the same source. Look how this reporting about Conan’s upcoming show is repeated word for word by most of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GME5nq_oSR4

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You should read this:

Fox News Viewers Uninformed, NPR Listeners Not, Poll Suggests

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/

[-] 2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

In the land of Reagan, corporations will come to predominate over national institutions. Corporations will stop wasting their time on lobbying activities and will instead "sponsor" entire arms of our government. Brawndo will sponsor the food and drug administration. Monsanto will run the department of the interior, Exxon the department of energy, and etc. But, taxes will be low for the "ownership class."

I think that this is an exercise extrapolating out all of the themes of modern conservatism. It's tongue in cheek, but it is not a joke.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You realize this was in jest?

[-] 4 points by looselyhuman (3117) 12 years ago

Beautiful (terrifiying) Puff. Thanks.

All the elements are already in place...

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Just updated with religious references.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 12 years ago

Tying it into New Christianity - good call. The shining temple on the hill. :)

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes, Newt just needs to have a son so we can have Newt the second.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes, but we need more conservatives so that we can increase the number of underlaborers.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 12 years ago

Digging the most recent update.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Thanks. I thought the Virgin Ayn Rand was a nice touch.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 12 years ago

Yep, I giggled profusely at that. :)

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

She may not have been a virgin, but she was certainly a double bagger.

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 12 years ago

We, the happily poor, don't need your market forces. We subvert your market principles for our own purpose. When you lose your invisible hand of the market, we will happily write a new econobooklet. Frankly, you need our disposable incomes more than we need your disposable isms. We are the innovators; you are the imitators. We survive with less; you get by at best. We understand what is important; you chase that which is impotent. Once you realize this, you will see that you are our slaves because we see you as nothing more than knaves. You work hard and receive no gratitude, we work smart and have impeccable attitude. The Reagan Revolution is Chaos Theory in motion; the nation has hit a new level of bifurcation. Élites can turn back the hands of time, still; after all, we all are gifted with free will.

[-] 2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I misread the first line of this statement and, thereby, reversed it's entire message. I think that your comment is on target and I apologize for my earlier poorly worded remarks. The reason why it didn't make sense to me is that I skimmed past the first sentence.

You speak, accurately, regarding the Reagan Revolution and chaos theory. My father was the smartest man I ever knew.....and I've met some smart ones.....and he thought that Ronald Reagan's policies, no matter what they would do in the short term, would provide a formula for dividing America between rich and poor.

Again, my father was the smartest man I ever knew.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 12 years ago

no worries, and your father sounds like a wise man.

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[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 12 years ago

i put it on this post because it, in my opinion, plays off of what you wrote. it was not an insult to you. it was my view of modernity from my perspective.

[-] 2 points by debndan (1145) 12 years ago

OMG, wow, this is awesome.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Thanks.

[-] 2 points by Edgewaters (912) 12 years ago

Hah. I love it.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I updated it with religious references to Reagan. Hope all is well.

[-] 2 points by eyeofthetiger (304) 12 years ago

it's Rue Paul Rue Paul Way better name than Eye of Newt or Fig Newton

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

That's Lord Newton to you.

[-] 0 points by eyeofthetiger (304) 12 years ago

more like fig newton I call him Figgy for short

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I call him the Grinch.

[-] 1 points by eyeofthetiger (304) 12 years ago

the Grinch who will steal the White House

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes. It is truly a terrifying time.

I spoke about Gingrich in another post. That boy is slicker than cum on a gold tooth. If voters are willing to look past all of the truly scary things this man has said, and how many different things he has said, then people will believe anything.....and we are lost.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Gingrich is going to have his own women issues. The boy is slick, and I have the feeling that that Tiffany's account wasn't just for his wife.

The question is whether he already bought them all off and will they remain silent.

The fate of the world depends upon whether Newt go his mistress a D color IF diamond or a piss colored piece of crap.

[-] 2 points by ShaggyLaRevolution (7) from Loveland, CO 12 years ago

Yas. We also continued to murder thousands of helpless, innocent, people so we could steal their oil. We even stole more money from the poor to give to the rich and printed out more fake money so that the value of the dollar further declines. We brainwashed some more Americans and over all made everybody's lives a little more hellish. What a great year.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You realize this is a parody.

[-] 2 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 12 years ago

The one and only saving grace lawl has is his opposition to occupations and wars overseas, and willingness to slash the pentagon. This is what gives him some cred and respect from even many OWers and leftists.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes, and Stalin loved his mother.

[-] 2 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 12 years ago

I hope that OW doesn't end up tailing after a candidate who sends troops, drones and privatized mercenaries all around the world to terrorize and subjugate other nations. lawl tks a talk that is against that. That's all I said.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I know, I'm just fulfilling my duty as a smartass.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Or, my duty as a dumbass.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 12 years ago

Hi Puff, Well done, Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Hope all is well.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I think I'm a fan.

; D

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes. The libertarian utopia that we've all dreamed of.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I will add more tomorrow. I've got to get the kids to bed.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

radical moderates

HooT!

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 12 years ago

Very creative depiction of that nightmare world. I hope these ideas stay as dead as they were when they were first proposed. The world this would create is very dismal indeed. A world that lacks even a small measure of compassion. Rather it would be one where the most rugged individual succeeds completely unimpeded by those worthless weaklings who only suckle off of society. The Ayn Rand Dream World.

I have hope and think compassion will win the day. We work well when we all work together for the common good!

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You have no idea how many people have read this and thought that I was for such a system. Do people actually read these forums?

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

The seductiveness of the Ayn Rand message is that every man thinks of himself as a John Galt when, in reality, we all depend upon one another in our success.

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 12 years ago

So right my friend. We need to be unified, not self-centered looking out for our self only and screw everyone else. That is nasty and more than likely we will pay dearly for being so selfish.

[-] 1 points by winstonsmith1984 (5) 12 years ago

Obama voted YES to the banker bailout...Ron Lawl voted HELL NO

[-] 2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes, and you're not in a soup line right now.

Do you understand how many very smart people begged every member of Congress, on both sides of the aisle, for TARP, TALF, and the stimulus?

Do you understand what would have happened if the dominoes of bank failures had continued? Around 5k banks had failed during the period of 1929-1933. Most of these were solvent, well run, small banks. But, during a panic, a run on the banks, the chaos destroys all credit and you simply cannot imagine what that would have looked like in a modern society.

Right now, if simpletons such as you had been in charge, we would have food stocks guarded by soldiers and your kids would be starving.

As the mayor of Chicago told Herbert Hoover, you'd better send food or send in the troops.

Get real. Quit living by nitpicking decisions made during desperate times.

The question in life is always, "where do we go from here?"

So, where do you want to go?

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

What plan did RonPaul offer to prevent the entire collapse of our dysfunctional, but vital, credit system?

[-] 1 points by tasmlab (58) from Amesbury, MA 12 years ago

I would think the parody would have more fundamentalist Christian influence.

Has sort of a Huxley 'Brave New World' feel.

Is this a dig on Paul or Gingrinch? Or are they part and parcel? I don't think Gingrich would touch libertarianism with a 10 foot pole.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You are right, I didn't include a religious taint except for the heresy of Reagan as Christ and Ayn Rand as the virgin Mary.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

regardless of which side of the coin your parody is intended to strike

restoring our First and Original "organic" Constitution FOR the United States of America will cure all the problems in our nation

it won't be painless or easy, but, it's the only thing that will work

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You want to bring back slavery?

You want women to give back the right to vote?

What a fairy tale you are writing.....

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Obviously written by a person lacking reason.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Why don't we base our government on older written works.....we could become a theocracy.

Your argument is one of fundamentalism.....it's been around since the time just after the Constitution was written.

The Constitution is a very simple document and does not spell out all of the details of governance and was therefore meant to be a living and evolving guide for good governance.

Any thoughtful person realizes that the framers would have written a vastly different document if they understood what a modern industrial state would look like. So, originalists, are selling a smokescreen to justify how THEY wish to interpret it's words.

Horseshit.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Let's hear your version of the future, Sparky.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I'm preparing a model and I suspect you might not find it objectionable. I suspect your prejudice for anything smelling of smaller government may make things hard for you to initially comprehend, however, look it over and we'll discuss it.

I'm certainly not a racist, proponent of slavery of any kind, or consider women as subhuman. I am male and hold many women in very high regard with respect to their level of intelligence and cognitive reasoning abilities, skin color means nothing to me, humanity however, does.

I'll post it when I've got it finalized and polished. This may take a day or two as I've many obligations this week. Perhaps we can have civil discussion afterwards.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

If the troops come home, and more innocent lives will be saved, will it make it worth it?

What is the cost of lives?

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes, the troops could enter the underlabor work force immediately and begin serving holders of capital.

We need more workers in RonPaulistan to manufacture "Cleerlung" so that we can continue to breath the brown air without coughing.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

I guess you back the killing. Congrats, you are lower than scum.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes, the troops need to come home and begin working in underlabor.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

How about we just bring them home. You kill me Puff....

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Oh, you are being serious. I am all for bringing troops home wherever it can be done. But, understand, that the current isolationist sentiment is remarkably similar to that felt after WWI.

We have no business in Iraq and Iran, but we have a huge interest in maintaining bases in the Southeastern Asia and Japan. China is the next Cold War and, I hate to tell you this, but it is only beginning.

Bring the troops home, but don't forget the lessons of 1930's Europe. It was FDR's dropping of the Gold Standard and the collapse of the 1932 World Economic Summit that signaled Hitler that the West had no appetite to oppose him. It was Kennedy's drug induced stupor in his first encounter with Khrushchev that led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Evacuating our military presence in certain regions will only insure that we will return there to fight another war in the future.

Iraq was the greatest blunder in the history of American foreign policy. It will be studied for the next 300 years as a cautionary tale.

But, screwups tend to breed broader screwups......and withdrawing from Korea and southeast Asia would be the greatest misstep of Libertarian foreign policy.

[-] 1 points by OWSbansTruth (3) from Queens, NY 12 years ago

GE in charge and and Selling arms to Mexico??? Sounds like the Obamas man Jeff Immelt and Attorney Justice Holder to me!!!

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

No, Mexico was annexed by Brazil back in 2019 after there was a shortage of manufacturing workers in their country. They quickly erected a fence so that no more American workers would be crossing the border looking for jobs in the Mexican province of Brazil.

[-] 1 points by eyeofthetiger (304) 12 years ago

his name is Rue Paul and he already ran for prez in 2004 against Bushy

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Is he a libertarian or a transvetotarian?

[-] 1 points by Joyce (375) 12 years ago

Welcome to the US of Canadian interference.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You're now part of York Canada. (New York broke from RonPaulistan in 2023).

[-] 1 points by sinthytech (30) 12 years ago

I like Ron but mainly becuas he wants to bring my brother back from Afghanistan, but i think even he knows what he mostly says are unrealistic ideals when it comes to application.

[-] -1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Ron Lawl is one of those people who read a book early in his life, in this case "Atlas Shrugged," that had such an impact upon him that he spent the rest of his life trying to fit the world into the misguided ideals he had acquired.

It's like a confirmation bias gone wild.

Unfortunately, Mr. Paul is likely a very nice, sincere, man who is convincing in his promotion of this Ayn Rand Libertarian trash. He is so blinded by his theories that he is unable to see that effective leadership requires, at least, some contact with reality.

[-] -1 points by sinthytech (30) 12 years ago

I agree

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

Man oh man......public education is on display here.

Ron Paul is the opposite of Newt Gingrich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZAW2spbZys&feature=channel_video_title

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Different people, same final outcome.

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

sure...this nation is going down like the Titanic. Maybe occupy a seat on a lifeboat?

[-] 2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

This nation is like a bunch of people who go to a tapas restaurant and order everything on the menu and, when they're stuffed, they argue over who ate what.

As a nation, we have promised a great deal more than what we, as a nation, are paying for. To fill the void, we have borrowed.

The void has developed for any number of reasons.....people live too damn long.....health care has gotten way too good and way too expensive.....and income taxes have been cut in the face of these trends rather than being increased.

It's a very strange dynamic, but imagine you're at the table and you see your fellow diners ordering all of this stuff and you realize that, even though you don't like Spanish meatballs, you're going to be expected to pay for part of the item.....so, you play the same game and order the peppered lamb shanks knowing that you're the only one who would eat the stuff. So, the bill grows and grows and soon everyone is stuffed and everyone is heading to the bathroom in hopes they won't be there when the bill arrives.

Taxes are going up no matter who controls the government over the next 20 years. You just can't get cuts deep enough to get us even to a steady state.

The lifeboat will be afloat, and the ship no longer sinking, when rational people understand that capitalism is, to a large degree, an ovarian lottery. If you think that you paved your own way in this country, and should therefore not be asked to pay a higher rate than a poor black kid in Alabama, then you (not you, necessarily) are a fool and a liar. If you think that you could do your job in Bangladesh and make a commensurate living, then, again, you are a fool and have no understanding of our interrelatedness.

It is imperative for our nation to go back to the rational middle consensus that got us through the Great Depression, World War II, the Cold War, and Ronald Reagan.

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aide of their country.

[-] 2 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

its time to reinstate the Rule of Law and have it apply to everybody!

[-] 0 points by looselyhuman (3117) 12 years ago

"It is imperative for our nation to go back to the rational middle consensus that got us through the Great Depression, World War II, the Cold War, and Ronald Reagan."

Up to RR, anyway. And it had a name: "the liberal consensus." I know how that annoys some of our friends...

"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aide of their country."

Ask not what your country is doing to you, but what you are doing to your country.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aide of their country." ]]

That's a sentence you type when you are trying to learn how to type. Kinda like, "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 12 years ago

I know, I know... responded with my variation on Jack Kennedy. I thought it was clever, guess not. :(

Seriously, if libertarians would stop bitching about what their country was doing to them... Ya know?

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I have no sense of humor. Sorry I missed it. Clever.

[-] 1 points by EndTheFed214 (113) 12 years ago

sounds like liberal bs to me.

[-] 1 points by stuartchase (861) 12 years ago

I want you to go to this post. I want you to speak truth to power!. Say it once, say it twice. Say it loud. Say it proud. I'm down with the KTC. The Revolution starts here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaRtqrlGy8&feature=related

http://occupywallst.org/forum/make-a-stand-join-the-clan/

The Revolution starts here! No one can silence the Revolution!

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Which part, giving an underlaborer first class running water?

You like being treated bad, don't you, Manfred? Do you want to make fourteen dollars the hard way?

[-] 1 points by EndTheFed214 (113) 12 years ago

yeah ill make 14 bucks a hour working hard

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I bet you will. Work it hard, Manfred. Keep licking that peanut butter. Oooohhh, that feels good. Oh Manfred, take me to the moon!

[-] 1 points by EndTheFed214 (113) 12 years ago

oh i love big goverment they do everything for me they whipe my ass they feed me they clothe me. i dont even have to get outta bed in the morning im special go big goverment!

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You're foaming at the mouth, Manfred. Oh, that's just the santorum. I have a feeling that the government should be paying for your meds.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You haven't earned that 14 dollars yet.

[-] 1 points by leavethecities (318) 12 years ago

I support and oppose OPP for president.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

OPP?

[-] 1 points by demcapitalist (977) 12 years ago

LOL I have to say though after watching the GOP debate tonight(gag) I do find myself agreeing emphatically with Ron Lawl about 1/2 of the time ------the other half of I disagree emphatically ---------I like his get out of the middle east and work on America idea's for sure. The rest well............. your right, Ayn Rand can rot in hell

[-] 2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

The sad part is that an insane mind is often the seed of sane notions.

You have to also realize that Gary Busey would look half sane on the stage with these Republican beauty contestants.

[-] 1 points by demcapitalist (977) 12 years ago

It would be a tough call between Gary and the rest -------I'd have to go for Gary. Well Huntsman seems sane----------but I won't stand by that statement

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Huntsman is insane to be running as a Republican. He is a Clinton Democrat. Seeing him up on that stage is like seeing Kate Moss at a Miss Kankle pageant.

[-] 1 points by demcapitalist (977) 12 years ago

I think you are right. Ok Gary Busey it is then !

[-] 1 points by Joshmr (3) 12 years ago

The Occupy movement needs to get it's act together and develop a coherant message. it can do this by going after the head of the snake -THE FEDERAL RESERVE! -ther federal reserve is a private corporation, not part of the governmetn, they like to masquerade as a govt. entity, but they are not. They are the ones who cut regulations so that billionaire bankers can enrich themselves, the fed and the bankers run our govt. by proxy, WAKE UP!

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

The Fed is the Fed. Bernanke has been the only one who truly understood that we almost crossed the abyss. That meant shoring up corrupt banks and keeping credit flowing to main street. The Fed has done a number of unpopular, but necessary, things. And, without them, we would probably be in soup lines right now instead of bitching about the Fed.

That may not be popular. But, that is the truth. Don't demonize the Fed....America could not function a week without it.

Get the money out of politics and all will fall into place.

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[-] 1 points by EndTheFed214 (113) 12 years ago

your outta your fucking mind

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Manfred, you really are a hard worker. Are you wanting a little overtime? I think I can go again if you clean the santorum off my johnson. Let's see if 14 is your lucky number.

[-] 1 points by EndTheFed214 (113) 12 years ago

you east coast pussys sure are easy to get pissed off LOL

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I reside in rural Missouri.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Forum Post: Cuba's electoral system

This content is user submitted and not an official statement

It gets the money out of politics, big time.

http://cubandemocracy.wordpress.com/election-process/

Definitely my opinion and I do not represent OW, just putting an idea out there.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You're joking, right?

[-] 1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 12 years ago

read the article.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Somehow, I do not think that combining the word Cuba and democracy in the same sentence is going to be good for our movement.

[-] 1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 12 years ago

I agree it's off the charts, but is there anything you read there that makes sense? It'sd not as though we here are experiencing anything that could honestly be called democracy.

[-] 1 points by Cleitophon (43) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

No one wants to blame Obama. Figures.

[-] 3 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 12 years ago

The original bailout was supported by Bush, Obama and McCain. It was implemented under Bush.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

How can you blame someone for a bubble that took 15 years to develop. It's like blaming my cat for something my old dog chewed on when he was a puppy.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 12 years ago

The reality is that the average household spends $12800 a year on consumer goods. 80% of these purchases are for overseas goods.

You might as well put $10240 and mail it off to China. Not sure what that figure looks like nationally but its a lot.

Global competition is a tool used by Anti American countries to wage an economic war against America. These countries have "closed economic systems" that don't play by the same rules as western countries.

They can print as much money as they want.

  • Labor costs nothing since its bought with the printed money.
  • Resources cost nothing since they are bought with printed money.
  • Technology costs nothing since western countries have outsourced it willingly to get cheap labor.

The vast majority of consumer goods are now made in China. To fuel the growth China takes the revenue from the vast goods exported to buy resources around the world.

Enters the "China Investment Corporation". The China Investment Corporation was established with the intent of utilizing these reserves for the benefit of the state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Investment_Corporation

The unfair advantage in acquiring resources is carefully engineered.

"The low cost of capital of CIC leads to contentions that its investments are effectively subsidized by the Chinese government therefore creating an unfair advantage for CIC versus others seeking to compete for the same acquisition targets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Investment_Corporation

This is not free enterprise, the purchases are always well thought out strategic purchases.

This allows China to trade goods for foreign currencies and then invest these currencies in resources globally to fuel their strategic objectives.

China is counting on the greed of their more than capable army of industrialists willing to partner with any Western business. Every one of these partnerships has ended in disaster. But the Chinese would have us believe that these individual investment disasters are isolated incidences of personal greed by Chinese profit takes.

However, this is a contrived methodology of partnership failure that ends in the Western company transferring technology and skills. Eventually these rebranded products will compete for sale globally on store shelves.

As much as China plays the capitalist role, the real goal is destabilization of competitive world economies with a future eye to economic and military superiority.

The thinking is that a economically collapsed America will no longer be able to project itself militarily because it will simple not be able to afford to do so.

Lets be clear. The economic collapse has been engineered in the war rooms of Americas enemies. This imbalance of trade and the willingness for China to loan more and more money is a clear methodical tactic.

To ensure that other countries can not change this balance of trade all foreign goods sold in China have a 30%+ import tax.

The good news is that there is a simple solution to this crisis.

  1. Insist that the government legislation country of origin labels on products. If 1% of the product is made overseas then it must be labeled foreign with the appropriate flag.

  2. After this is done American consumers must vote with their dollars.

  3. Spread the word and make it socially unacceptable to buy from countries that are not solid allies of America.

  4. Encourage your Government to create free trade deals with its Allies and make membership impossible for countries that would sell technology outside of these alliances.

The rest of the world is lining up against America. In a recent meeting of the SCO "Shanghai Cooperation Organization" which includes member states of China, Russia, and several other former Soviet satellite nations voted to add Iran and Pakistan.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/288792/pakistan-seeks-full-member-status-in-shanghai-grouping/

China stated gaols of the SCO are a counterbalance to NATO for security (militarily) and economic trade.

These two goals in China's mind are the same. The lines are drawn amongst America's enemies while American businesses continue to transfer technology and skills blindly to the east.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Trade wars must be waged in secret. You are correct in your beliefs that China is employing a strategy that is far more creative than anything the Soviets ever devised. They are using their economic might and their treasury holdings as stealth bombers. But, China will become a victim of it's own success. It will produce a class of people who live so far above the peasantry that the government will have to begin steps to protect this upper class......wait, that's America.

China will be the largest bubble the world has ever seen. When it begins to flex it's muscles, the world will recognize the threat. At that point, the issue of trade will be beyond thorny, it will become an issue of survival. China will dump it's treasuries, refuse to buy more, and there will develop a strong nationalistic movement in China. The same pattern was seen in Japan, circa 1904. The Chinese will use crisis that unfolds as the impetus for their invasion of Taiwan......and the world will only look on.

All trade wars must be fought in secret.....or by market forces.

Look at my forum topic..."Can We Have Fair Trade.....Yes."

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

How can you buy from America when nothing is made here anymore? What are you going to buy, a mortgage backed security? A collateralized debt obligation?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Heil Reagan, and the new world order!

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Yes. Just don't be a member of the underlabor.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Give me liberty, or give me death.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I think you would choose death.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Kindly explain that statement.

[-] 2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

If you were a member of the underlabor class, you would have no liberty, and death.....as it was during the Gilded Age.....would be seen, in some cases, as a blessing.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

I believe you are speaking in a kind of code, specifically to a sort of minority initiated in terminology such as "underlabor," which is not a word in the English lauguage. If you have something to say, state it plainly. If it can't be stated concisely than it will gain no traction outside of a small splinter group, which does this movement no good at all. If you're trying to impress us with your depth - well, whatever. But it frankly smacks of mere egotism and disruption of clear communication to me. Perhaps I am wrong. I hope everyone comes to see themselves as members of the "underlabor" if that does us any practical good.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Underlabor is a term I just coined for the "have-nots" in the final form of extreme Libertarianism/neoconservatism. It's very 1984'ish. It is not meant to apply to illegal immigrants, or any other group in particular, but to those who would not be part of the corporate overclass. That group, much like the Robber Barons of the Gilded Age, lived very separate lives while despising the poor for being poor.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

All Right, I think I understand now. Please read my post, "Take a hint from George Orwell, in this forum.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

First Power, Then Change.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

First Power, Then Change.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Income Inequality Rising In Most Wealthy Countries, OECD Finds

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/05/income-inequality-countries_n_1129484.html

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

You are an absolute idiot!

And namecalling is not one of my fav things to do but this post EMPHAZISES WHY this country is where it is today.

Libertarianism ( true free market capitalism) DOES NOT exist today.

What we have today is WELFARE FOR CORPORATIONS AND BIG BANKS with the help of our CORRUPT GOVT!

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Ok, and what would you have us do Rasputin?

We have a corrupt system, but that does not mean we should all enlist as underlaborers in the United States of RonPaulistan.

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

First and foremost, get educated on what exactly you are denouncing.

simple example!

the reason student loans for example, are through the roof with interest rates and keep going up is the FACT, that our corrupt government is involved with the banks guaranteeing these loans. Because NOW the banks do NOT have to compete, they can keep the interest rates as high as they want because COMPETITION for students to get their loans has been taken OUT of the equasion.

Government, my dear fellow citizen has two roles

1) OVERSIGHT!

2) ACCOUNTABILITY!

TWO requirements for Free market Capitalism to work. Two requirements we do NOT have today.

Start REINSTATING the Rule of Law for everybody!

And secondly, stay out of economics and impose accountability instead!

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Capitalism always has it's winners and losers. Would your laws keep the losers in their place?

What about firefighters? What about medicare? What about social security? What about support for education? What about food safety? What about clean water? What about civil rights? What about national security?

Your government is an overly simplified version of what I'd describe to a third grader on Lord of the Flies. That must make you Piggy.....Hi, Piggy.

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

Capitalism has winners and loosers.

A judicial system SHOULD provide equal access and punishment under the law. ( time to read Glenn Greenwalds book 'With Liberty and justice for some" on our TWO tier justice system where CEO's and high govt officials including presidents get off for VIOLATING our Constitution and laws!

If government THROUGH our corrupt Congress was ensuring a solid legal system, our civil liberties would not be an issue today.

National Security is guaranteed under the U.S Constitution NOT in Military Spending ( with our empire in 144 countries around the world ) BUT SOLELY in defense spending ( when we actually get attacked)

Food safety is a legal issue!

Firefighters is a local govt issue!

Medicare and SS are YOUR MONEY, taken out of YOUR PAYCHECK, with today the GOVERNMENT MISUSING IT!!!

Next please!

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I really want to see what your opinions are when you're 72. Hell, you'll probably still be working and uninsured.

National security is not guaranteed under our constitution, it is preserved by diplomatic and military means. We have learned very hard lessons by isolationist tendencies. That is why we have aircraft carriers and military bases in strategic locations. An ounce of prevention is often worth a ton of cure.

Food safety has to be monitored, not simply regulated. That costs money.

Firefighters, whether local or federally funded.....must be funded.

Medicare and social security are the most successful social programs in American history. Ask any retiree. Try, Piggy, try to act like you're an old guy....about 73....and call a private insurer. Ask for a health insurance quote. Try it little man. Please. Then come back and share your experience with all of us.

But, honestly, didn't you vote for George Bush twice?

I'm not done with you yet, Piggy.

I guess I should explain that Piggy refers to a character in a book called, "Lord of the Flies." You may have read it in 7th grade.....or maybe you didn't.

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

ITS TIME people pay attention and comprehend! THINK THINK THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHERE are problems best solved and overseen? LOCALLLY LOCALLY LOCALLY!!!!!!!!!!!

KNOW your Constitution! Everything NOT covered in the Constitution is left up to the States and local govts (tENTH amendment) It was written to give the people POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So a lot of the issues here are indeed left up to the LOCAL level! Federal govt is overstepping its boundries. Your civil liberties are protected under the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights APPLIES to the Govt and is to RESTRAIN government from infringing upon your individual liberies. EVERYTHING covered in the U.S Constitution is the Law of the Land and overrides ALL State and local govt laws and ordinances as long as the U.S Constitution covers the issue! UNLESS State and local laws and ordinances TRUMP the U.S Constitution.

IF IT IS NOT COVERED under the U.S Constitution, State govts and local govt are assigned the power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btw, I am an immigrant from the Netherlands and I KNOW the U.S Constitution. Why don't you????????????

KNOW the Dem and Rep parties are the ILLUSION of opposites! KNOW

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

If you are from the Netherlands, then you understand that governments can arbitrate a very content and effective society.

But, you should also recognize.....if you are from the Netherlands......that, in most cases, when someone in America expresses a desire to return things to the states or local government, these items tend to be anti-democratic measures and what you are actually seeing is a "divide and conquer" strategy in action.

Whether it be school desegregation, slavery, school vouchers, school prayer, abortion, gay marriage, medicaid, welfare, and etc. what you see is a strategy where a local majority can suppress a local minority. It's an evil strategy.....no matter what the constitution may state.

Haven't you ever noticed that the issue of state's rights is rarely brought up outside of garbage like this?

Lad falske ansigt skjule, hvad falsk hjerte brænder vide.

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

AND WHY does govt work in the Netherlands.

Because we adhere to the RULE OF LAW and we are a SMALL country!!

YOUR gay military personell asked for political assylum in my country when I was a teenager ( 30 years ago).

Understand the Rule of Law! Understand the Bill of rights! YOUR INDIVIDUAL CIVIL LIBERTIES! Understand the Constitution!

People don't! its NOT taught in public school.

They teach you that Abe Lincoln 'saved' the slaves but they don't teach you he would have kept it on the books 'to save the union' if he had too.

They also don't teach you Thomas Jefferson had put in his draft of the Declaration of Independence to ABOLISH slavery, even though he was a slaveowner himself. He was met with much opposition.

And please, your Swedish is not Dutch!

[-] -1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Laat valse gezicht te verbergen wat vals hart weet,

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

Funny, how people who don't speak other languages don't understand that you can't just type in what you want to say in your language and make it sensible in another language.

On the Dutch...its an F-

'Let your false face hide what your false heart knows' ?

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Google translate is imprecise.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

why bother to use it?

And get on to learn the greatest Constitution ever!

by all means...a lot originated from the Dutch! Start studying your history and comprehend the brilliance of Thomas Jefferson.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I am more impressed with Alexander Hamilton.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 12 years ago

get with the program! Get educated and understand this country is in grave danger from within!

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/30-signs-that-the-united-states-of-america-is-being-turned-into-a-giant-prison

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Enemies within?

It is from my study of history that I have come to believe that liberty is continuously most in danger from those who wish to preserve or rescue it from "enemies within."

It is passivity to such forces that breeds true instabilities and dangers to a republic.

It was Pompey's reaction to pirates, of all things, that paved the way for Caesar and the end of the old republic.

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[-] 0 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

this is soooo awesome!!! may i copy to wiki?

THANK YOU!! LOL!

[-] -1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Sure. Please send me the link when you do. Thanks.

[-] -1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Look, Ma, I made it into wikipedia.

[-] 0 points by leavethecities (318) 12 years ago

i thought electioneering was banned

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

What is electioneering?

[-] 0 points by Idaltu (662) 12 years ago

LOL !!!! right on!

[-] -1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Ya, this has been my favorite thread.

[-] 0 points by david19harness (87) 12 years ago

REAGANISTAN!

Profound! Sometimes it just takes the right slogan. "THE BIGGER THE LIE, THE MORE LIKELY IT WILL BE BELIEVED" (Reagan-Goebbels). We're all Children of VOODOO ECONOMICS (i.e., 1980 candidate Bush Sr. term for Reagan-Democratic borrow-and-spend tax cuts Deal-with-the-Devil now coming due in 2012).

The Reaganistan tax cuts never paid for themselves right from the start. Just as the so-called Conservatives predicted in 1980, labeling them "Slippery-Slope" tax cuts: temporarily stimulating the economy, requiring further tax cuts, printing of money...QE (buying own bonds) to the present point of the BANKRUPTCY OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

Witness the Economic Liberal/Conservatives practicing YOUR SELF-DEFINITION OF EVIL while having the MAJORITY. Then de-crying it when in the MINORITY, claiming God-fearing Moral Superiority over the DEMON powers of the OPPOSITION (i.e., Ann Coulter vs Rachel Maddow).

Job #1 of both parties is to keep the BROKEN SYSTEM broken, by spinning every new issue, or event, apart by its EXTREMES. Or, if a new idea is JUST TOO SHOCKING it's ignored, like this one: http://occupywallst.org/forum/public-vote-option-on-competing-democratic-vs-repu/ vs-republican versions of Congressional bills.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

No. A broken government theme fantastically favors the neoconservatives. This is, in fact, an entire component of the Right's calculations.

Read: http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

[-] 1 points by david19harness (87) 12 years ago

No. Both the neoconservatives and ye neoliberals are enriching themselves fantastically via the corporate media death-spin.

I read ye link, which starts: "Both parties are rotten - how could they not be, given the complete infestation of the political system by corporate money on a scale that now requires a presidential candidate to raise upwards of a billion dollars to be competitive in the general election? Both parties are captives to corporate loot."

Now show me ye calculations:

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Perhaps, but it was one party that truly took us to corporate fascism and that is the Republicans.

If you want to improve things, you are going to have to direct the mechanics of one of the parties and that party is the Democrats.

[-] 0 points by david19harness (87) 12 years ago

No perhaps about it. Words and Slogans matter, ye REAGANISTAN term captures the MODUS OPERANDI of both parties.

Ye self-statement "If you want to improve things, you are going to have to direct the mechanics of one of the parties and that party is the Democrats." Fine, here's the mechanics of how ye, puff6962, could do that on my OWS thread http://occupywallst.org/forum/public-vote-option-on-competing-democratic-vs-repu/ vs-republican versions of Congressional bills.

However overwhelming APPROACH-AVOIDANCE is proving to be what OWS participation is all about. Typical.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I really don't understand what you are saying.

[-] 0 points by david19harness (87) 12 years ago

I'm saying more amendments have dealt with the EXTENSION OF VOTING RIGHTS than any other single issue.

I'm saying my OWS thread PUBLIC VOTE OPTION on COMPETING Democratic vs Republican VERSIONS of Congressional Bills. http://occupywallst.org/forum/public-vote-option-on-competing-democratic-vs-repu/ is the NEXT LOGICAL STEP in the EXTENSION OF VOTING RIGHTS "mechanics."

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Too likely to set up a Tyranny of the Majority.

Referendums work that way and they are often anti-freedom and anti-democratic.

What is 90% of the population thought that they would be better off enslaving the other 10%?

[-] 1 points by david19harness (87) 12 years ago

And ye Reaganistan 1% is Tyranny of the 99%.

COMPETING Referendums would need to be written towards MODERATION to win the public vote...if such Ethic could ever be viewed as a measure of success in a Captialistic society.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Referendums appeal to the whims of the mob.

The founding fathers had a toast, "Freedom from despots as well as mobs."

I would submit that you will be simply trading one for the other.

[-] 1 points by david19harness (87) 12 years ago

And here's my toast to the Founding Fathers: "The RATIFICATION of the U.S. CONSTITUTION was the first and as of yet only NATIONAL REFERENDUM."

That's what I be trading in...see ya.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

What about subsequent Constitutional Amendments? There have been many referendums in America and but they are filtered through assemblies of our representatives.

[-] 1 points by david19harness (87) 12 years ago

Glad you asked...I repeat, more Constitutional Amendments have dealt with the EXTENSION OF VOTING RIGHTS than any other single issue. I'm saying the NEXT LOGICAL STEP is a PUBLIC VOTE OPTION on the COMPETING VERSIONS of Congressional BILLS.

Yes "assemblies of our representatives" would still write the competing versions of the bills...whereas the direct-democracy hard decisions are transferred to "The Public" domain. Requiring "The Beast" to find a measure of human growth and maturity.

[-] -1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

That is why the super-committee failed......political calculation.

The Republicans' overriding goal is to force a national crisis and, forever, roll back medicare and social security. All so a bunch of suburbanites can pay 4% less in their marginal tax rates.

[-] 0 points by Joyce (375) 12 years ago

Fool

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?

[-] -1 points by progmarx (66) 12 years ago

I have an idea. Since you seem to have a lot of time on your hands and seem rather creative.

Why don't you do an article from the opposite point of view?

About how the population is all equal,equally poor and miserable. How the Govt owns everything and how a once free country became a Communist hell hole through the success of Progressive ideology being instituted nationally without any opposition. How the Eco-green fascists were able to force the complete shut down of domestic energy production in the name "climate change" thus creating yet another dark depression of never before seen poverty,misery and hunger. About how freedom of speech was no longer allowed and private property and private gun ownership completely outlawed. Where Abortion is required for all pregnancies except 80% male and 20% female,and these are only allowed if children are 100% perfect....the ultimate Single Payer system. About how the Govt. controls what you eat,where you work,how much you make and where you live.

Look,I've got work to do but I thought I'd just give you some ideas to help spur your creative work. Good luck.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Also, do you know how far back your dumbass arguments go? I could lift your words and go back 80 years to the crap that pundits spewed about social security. I could plug your words into segregationists arguing against integrating the military. I could transport your entire mindset into the 1960's and you would find that the same filth was brought forth to argue against Medicare......by Ronny Reagan.

You think that you're some sort of thoughtful person, but all you are is a parrot saying a prayer.

Go read a book and start thinking.....and turn off Fox news. It's not doing you any good. It definitely won't get you laid.

[-] -1 points by progmarx (66) 12 years ago

You sure got yourself an attitude problem.

Actually all I've listed in the first reply is slowly where this country is heading due to Progressive's creeping incremental-ism. Either you're not too aware or bright if you haven't figured that one out yet,or you have and are quite happy with that.
Your blustering and insults aside,trying to deny this is just disingenuous.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

You likely have noticed those black helicopters flying over you house these past few weeks.....that is the government coming to take your guns away. They will also remove your confederate flag pajamas.....poor puuuckey.

[-] -1 points by progmarx (66) 12 years ago

Seems you've run out of steam.

[-] 2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

I'm sorry, I didn't want to be more rude because the moderators have asked that I not bitchslap little neocon idiots like you.

[-] -1 points by progmarx (66) 12 years ago

Such hostility.

[-] 1 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

Oh, you're being a submissive little neocon now?

[-] -1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

idiot in the house

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

When did you get here?

[-] -3 points by stevo (314) 12 years ago

I always love when Wall Street Whiners, waste hours composing bullshit like this. That is forgotten ten seconds after it's posted. Oh well...time crap in the bucket looooozer

[-] 2 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

It took about ten minutes and my kids were running around the room. There are a lot of things you can do with a brain. Perhaps you can go back and work on your GED again. It's never too late, even for an underlaborer.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 12 years ago

It's on wikipedia.