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Forum Post: The real problem and the solution

Posted 11 years ago on July 23, 2012, 4:37 p.m. EST by DenyConsent2government (9)
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The video received from OccupyWallSt. today makes the same mistake in its opinion of What the solution is. What it suggests the solution should be is a government system based upon socialism or communism or fascism. It states to call it what you want and lists different names but basically he is saying socialism, communism, or fascism. This is a totally bad solution to the wrongs in today's government. It also may not say it but it is suggested that any vote for any republican would be wrong or terrible. This view is expressed by many in the OWS movement. This too is mistakenly placing trust upon the democrats and the mistaken view of voting only for a democrat no matter what. The truth of the problem in this country today is that the entire government system of checks and balances has been taken over by money. The legislative branch is bought and sold obviously. Politicians on both sides of the aisle accept bribes, and as such, grant favors and also use strong arm tactics to generate new and larger bribes from whom they target. The judiciary branch which is supposed to prevent the passage of laws that allow bribery to politicians and other un-Constitutional laws that continue to get upheld in these unlawful "courts" across the country. The un-Supreme court has legalized bribery to politicians and the eminent domain methods of stealing property owners land and the structures on it, has said the terrible health care law called Obamacare is Constitutional when it is NOT. The executive branch which has the authority to write the regulations that a law passed by Congress will encompass, has enlarged into such a massive method of abuse and fraud by the thousands of policing agencies and their agents, do the terrible things happening to the people. They conduct huge abuses all day every day all to steal money and property from the people which is then used to support their operations and pay their personnel. The greed is rampant and these agents are bold faced shoving their disgusting authorities up the asses of all the people. So what is the solution? The people of this country need to quit sending them money voluntarily, supporting any part of this government with money of any kind. Quit paying taxes wherever possible. Claim your income taxes back on your return. It is legal, learn how at losthorizons.com The government has been taken over by a group of private individuals elected to a companies board of directors by us when we go and vote for them. All government agencies are incorporated, they are businesses. They are ran as a business, for profit. These businesses do nothing to produce anything they get in their daily business. They take take take and demand more and more and all they do for this stolen money is to accept bribes and demand bribes from large corporations for them to spend as they please. And they please to spend that money on themselves and on wars and such to perpetuate the system. The bankers and lawyers have successfully taken over the government and have transformed it into the garbage we now are screwed over with. Voting democrat will not fix this disgusting crap. We must quit giving them money. We must quit giving them our consent of any type, we must affirm the opinion that the current government in place is NOT our government. They in the government are the ones who are wrong, who are breaking the laws, who need to be ended, who need to be replaced. They are the ones who act corruptly and foster more corruption in their downlines and vilify any who try to not participate in their corruptions. Make the change. Demand the Constitution be followed strictly, that all taxes be stopped and that the outline in the Constitution for taxation allowed be strictly adhered to. End all the bullshit created by these shadows of truth which in fact are lies and should be ended. Follow the example of Iceland which has been ignored by the media on purpose because what they did was to end and remove all their federal government and throw the bankers and politicians in bed together into jail. Iceland is now on the path of a strong recovery, Their population is thriving and they refuse to return to the EU because the form they follow, like the US is based upon a centralized bank. The federal reserve and all central banks are the source of all the wrongs we all are dealing with, enriches the 1% and keeps the rest enslaved. End fake money systems and the use of interest on loans and the people regain the powers and their rights and liberty rightfully theirs.



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[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

You sound unstable.

Republicans ARE the problem. They proudly trumpet the conservative policies that benefit the 1% plutocrats and exploit the 99%. Some Dems have betrayed progressive principles to vote for these conservative policies but not most.

Elect progressives. Vote out pro 1% plutocrat politicians.

It's the only way to get our govt back. Public funding of campaigns. Money isn't speech.

I will believe corps are people when Texas executes one.

[-] 1 points by DenyConsent2government (9) 11 years ago

You are blinded by your incorrect belief that progressives are doing anything for you. they are not. All of them work for themselves. Period. they do not care about you or me or anyone at all but themselves. It matters not if they are a republican, democrat, plutonian emriot, zorgon blogsmotm, or whatever. They work for no one but the company. Not you or me. Get over the hate for just republicans. You should hate both equally because you will get the same thing just packaged differently every time. Once you get a few years on your life you will see this. Right now being young it is hard to see. You will I hope eventually see there is NO difference between the two parties. NONE. They both work against all of us for their own gain and continued evolution to grow bigger and more intrusive. If it were different than what I state, we would have had change a long time ago, a long long time ago.


[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 11 years ago

well said,
Name: Address: ATTENTION: __ "PUBLIC SERVANT(S)", On the night of December 23, 1913 the United States Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act and thereby committed the greatest act of TREASON in history. It surrendered this nation's sovereignty and sold the American people into slavery to a cabal of arch-charlatan international bankers who proceeded to plunder, bankrupt, and conquer this nation with a money swindle. The "money" the banks issue is merely bookkeeping entries. It cost them nothing and is not backed by their wealth, efforts, property, or risk. It is not redeemable except in more debt paper. The Federal Reserve Act forced us to pay compound interest on thin air. We now use worthless "notes" backed by our own credit that we cannot own and are made subject to compelled performance for the "privilege." From 1913 until 1933, the United States paid the "interest" with more and more gold. The structured inevitability soon transpired: the Treasury was empty, the debt was greater than ever, and the United States declared bankruptcy. In exchange for using notes belonging to bankers who create them out of nothing on our own credit, we are forced to repay in substance (labor, property, land, businesses, resources - life) in ever-increasing amounts. This may be the greatest heist and fraud of all time. When a government goes bankrupt, it loses its sovereignty. In 1933 the United States declared bankruptcy, as expressed in Roosevelt's Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111, and 6260, House Joint Resolution 192 of June 5, 1933, confirmed in Perry v. United States, (1935) 294 U.S. 330-381, 79 L.ed 912, as well as 31 USC 5112, 5119, and 12 USC 95A. The bankrupt United States went into receivership, reorganized in favor of 115 creditors and new owners. In 1913, Congress turned over America... lock, stock and barrel to a handful of criminals whose avowed intent from the beginning was to plunder, bankrupt, conquer, and enslave the people of the United States of Americaand eliminate this nation from the face of the earth. The goal was, and is, to absorb America into a one-world private commercial government, a "New WorldOrder." With the Erie R.R. v Tompkins case of 1938, the Supreme Court confirmed their success. We are now in an international private commercial jurisdiction in colorable admiralty-maritime under the Law Merchant. We have been conned and betrayed out of our sovereignty, rights, property, freedom, common law, Article III Courts, and... our Republic. The Bill of Rights has been statutized into "civil rights" in commerce. America has been stolen. We have been made slaves, i.e. permanent debtors, bankrupt, in legal incapacity, rendered commercial "persons," "residents," and corporate franchisees known as "citizens of the United States" under the so-called "14th Amendment." Said "Amendment," which was never ratified - see Congressional Record, June 13, 1967; Dyett v. Turner, (1968) 439 P2d 266, 267; State v. Phillips, 1975 (affirmed) - created a citizenship for corporations, abstract statutory entities which are the products and definitions of the legislature and are fully taxable and regulatable thereby. Thomas Jefferson's prophecy has come to pass: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency... the banks... will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Since 1933 what is called the "United States Government" is a privately owned corporation of the Federal Reserve/IMF. It is merely an instrument whereby the banksters administer their ongoing subjugation and plunder of what was once considered "the last great hope of human freedom." All "public servants," officials, Congressmen, politicians, judges, attorneys, law enforcement officers, States and their various agencies, etc., are the express agents of these foreign principals - see Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938; 22 USC 286 et seq, 263A, 185G, 267J, 611(C) (ii) & (iii); Treasury Delegation Order #91 - who have stolen the country by clever, intentional, and unrelenting fraud, trickery, treachery, non-disclosure, mis-representation, intrigue, coercion, conspiracy, murder (example: the murder of President John F. Kennedy and the continuing cover-up), etc. If there is a greater tragedy in human history it is hard to know what it is. An insidious aspect of this is that "officials" like you may think you are "public servants," or upholding the "law," or other hoaxes. In truth you are conscientiously and assiduously serving the arch-enemies of yourselves, your own rights, your fellow citizens, continued... human rights, life, and freedom in general. YOU are seditiously administering the plunder, bankruptcy, conquest, destruction, dismantling, and elimination of your country. YOU are systematically defrauding, extorting, impoverishing, and injuring human life on the basis of crimes and lies of such magnitude, depth, and proportions as to be beyond human comprehension. By so doing, you are committing TREASON and PERFIDY so immense as "to make the angels weep." If you and your fellow "officials" do not understand the real situation, you are ignorant, naive, deceived, and conned. You are sheer dupes. If you do know and are parties to it, you are guilty of evil and heinous BETRAYAL. You are in such case TRAITORS and CRIMINALS. All of you "in power" are therefore, either fools or knaves, either of which eminently invalidates your "authority" and renders null and void absolutely all moral obligation to pay allegiance or to obey the TREASONOUS SYSTEM you enforce with such mechanical viciousness. If, you, "public servants" had any shred left of humanity, awe, heart, clarity, sanity, access to your true being and conscience, you would instantly resign and do everything possible to inform the American people of their plight and help us retrieve our rights and our country. Only by such means can you even begin to atone for your endless crimes against humanity, the lives you so arrogantly and mindlessly butcher with the "meat-grinder of the law." You DID NOT CREATE the lives you "legally" assault; they DO NOT belong to you. Ignorance of the law - moral and natural law - is no excuse. Youcannot engage in bringing harm to life and, like the Nazi's defense at Nuernberg, presume that because you do so under the "authority" of an imaginary, abstract, unreal legal fiction called "government" you are freed of the consequences of your acts. Moral and natural law are not obviated by ignorance, hubris and self-righteous militancy. Your entire system - from the ground up - is deceit and fraud. It is illicit in essence and ab initio. As Broom's Maxims 297, 729 put it: "A right of action cannot arise out of fraud." Honor is earned by honesty and integrity, not under false and fraudulent pretenses. The color of the cloth one wears cannot cover up the usurpations, lies, and treachery. "When black is fraudulently declared to be white, not all will live in darkness." More and more people are awakening to the truth. What do you think the American people will do as they discover that they have no more country, that they are slaves to mortal enemies, that they have been tricked and betrayed by their "leaders" who sold them out? what do you think they will do when they realize that all their alleged "public servants" are willing or stupidly compliant parties to the plunder, bankruptcy, subjugation, and ruin of their lives and country? Thomas Jefferson wrote: "An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens." Lincoln said: "Just as I would not be a slave, neither would I be a master." I will not participate in your corrupt, arrogant, and cruel fraud, either as perpetrator or victim. The great Indian poet Tagore wrote: "Power takes as ingratitude the writhing of its victims." I will no longer sit here and writhe. The TYRANNY over this nation MUST END! If you continue with this course, you will have natural and moral law and higher powers to answer to, not to mention all those you have wronged under phony color of law. You will also have your own laws turned against you, as you have turned the law against us. To transform the shield of protection into a sword of exploitation, subjugation, and plunder is perfidy. You have now been placed on notice. All further actions on your part will be willful! Signed: All Rights Reserved Without Prejudice. _, Sui Juris. Resolutely, an American who demands his country back.

[-] 1 points by DenyConsent2government (9) 11 years ago

This is beautifully and eloquently written. I commend you on your efforts and time taken to inform those who are unknowing of these facts and to notice those players who continually abuse their authorities they do not deserve. To learn how to begin starving the beast of the money it steals from us go to losthorizons.com. There you can download the free ebook or just read it there to learn why you are probably not liable for paying any income taxes and how you can legally get what is stolen from you refunded to you. losthorizons.com

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

All of our problems boil down to one thing....Apathy.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3360) from New York, NY 11 years ago

You said:

"The video received from OccupyWallSt. today makes the same mistake in its opinion of What the solution is. What it suggests the solution should be is a government system based upon socialism or communism or fascism"

What video are you referring to?

[-] 0 points by gsw (3410) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 11 years ago

Your first seven sentences sound reasonable.

I have heard this line of argument from a guy, but he had to give up all forms of ID.

We still have hope: a reasonable alternative to the crazy system (our last 12 years) Rocky Anderson is on ballot in many states, and he praised Ows as idealistic courageous and convergent with his positions (4th LINK) His strategy is through social media, as the egyptian s did, wants a revo. Against duopoly. If we met up in public forums, parks, and championed his candidacy, that's freedom of speech. How could that be shut down. And everyone emailed, wrote everyone they know, everyone in the phone book, but keep it optimistic, have kids there, etc pro family and worker.









It was cool to the public when you occupied. Real not staged. For those who know in their soul the system has deep problems, it was inspiring.

Can WE occupy central park(s) and spread the message there, even if it is daily. It was cool you were out in public standing up.

It's just whole country feels conservative, cause cons keep repeative Obama is communist.

OWS was so fast, and not well covered in main media, for most part. I think it was raising awareness, especially when the police got out of line, but now it is easy for public to ignore, and for many they may believe it has faded away:((