Forum Post: Fuse to the Biggest Carbon Bomb on the Planet. - Keystone XL
Posted 4 months ago on Jan. 13, 2013, 12:29 p.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic
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NASA's James Hansen Explains His Decision to Join Keystone Pipeline Protests. Hansen says the Keystone XL Pipeline will essentially mean game over.
Great interview here - http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20110826/james-hansen-nasa-climate-change-scientist-keystone-xl-oil-sands-pipeline-protests-mckibben-white-house?page=show
Hansen was later arrested for protesting the pipeline. - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-29/nasa-s-hansen-arrested-outside-white-house-at-pipeline-protest.html
January 7th, 2013 - Members of Occupy Detroit and opponents of the Keystone XL project protest outside the Chase building in Detroit on Monday.
About 50 protesters tried to occupy the Houston offices of TransCanada Corp, the company building the pipeline, on Monday. Two were reportedly arrested.
Environmentalists urge Obama to block Keystone XL and act on climate change. After a strategy of 'climate silence' during president's first term, activist groups signal intent to be more vocal in next four years. - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/07/obama-administration-climate-change
All this time to debate a pipeline that Transcanada has even said would be used to increase american energy costs by up to 4 billion per year, particularly for the Midwest.
The answer is no when you factor in dollars, and the answer should be no when you factor in the safety of the American people. All this shit just to allow a foreign oil company to profit.
Hansen calls the pipeline a "fuse to the biggest carbon bomb on the planet."
"In Oklahoma, Obama Declares Pipeline Support"
RIPLEY, Okla. — President Obama stood in a red-dirt field before acres of stacked pipeline pieces on Thursday to illustrate his support for expedited construction of the southern leg of the Keystone XL oil pipeline. But his public declaration for the project pleased neither the industry and its Republican allies nor environmentalists.
“Today, we’re making this new pipeline from Cushing to the gulf a priority,” Obama said, while the northern portion requires additional review.
“But the fact is that my administration has approved dozens of new oil and gas pipelines over the last three years, including one from Canada,” Mr. Obama added. “And as long as I’m president, we’re going to keep on encouraging oil development and infrastructure, and we’re going to do it in a way that protects the health and safety of the American people.” - Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/us/politics/in-oklahoma-obama-declares-pipeline-support.html?_r=0
"If Obama chooses the dirty needle it is game over because it will confirm that Obama was just greenwashing, like the other well-oiled coal-fired politicians with no real intention of solving the addiction. Canada is going to sell its dope, if it can find a buyer. So if the United States is buying the dirtiest stuff, it also surely will be going after oil in the deepest ocean, the Arctic, and shale deposits; and harvesting coal via mountaintop removal and long-wall mining. Obama will have decided he is a hopeless addict." - Quote James Hansen
Parts of West Virginia are completely destroyed by mountain top removal. Poisoning the water, the air, and now birds just randomly fall from the sky. I highly recommend the book Days of Destruction Days of Revolt that discusses these issues in great detail including personal accounts of those run off the land by corrupt coal and oil companies.
Have you ever heard of manufacturing consent? Because that's what is happening with this pipeline.
My congressman, Lee Terry, straight works for Transcanada and advertises for the pipeline. The corporate takeover is just about complete. This pipeline cannot be allowed.
End oil corp subsidies
http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/
End the filibuster
http://www.nationofchange.org/how-reach-last-20-percent-1358005121
Right wing climate deniers are the greatest obstacle to achieving widespread alternative energy implementation and an end to fossil fuel use.
Midwestern states and the trucking industry that uses diesel fuel should definitely oppose the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline because their benefits from the low fuel prices due to the "stranded" oil in the mid-section of the U.S. will end when the Keystone XL pipeline comes into existence.
The West Texas Intermediate grade of oil has been trading consistently below the North Sea Brent grade of oil. Once the Keystone XL pipeline becomes operational, the price for U.S. domestic oil in its mid-section will float higher towards the price for the North Sea Brent grade of oil. The North Sea Brent grade of oil is fast becoming the global standard of oil quoted and traded. Connecting the "stranded" oil to the world market will import the higher North Sea Brent price of oil to the U.S. heartland in the Midwest and likely increase the fuel costs of the trucking industry. Of course, groceries trucked from California to the East Coast will probably increase in prices, too, to cover the additional fuel cost.
Lowering the rate at which Canada's oil sands exacerbate the global changes induced by climate warming can buy time for our descendants to discover and work out a host of viable methods to deal with the global problem. Our generation so far seems incapable of dealing with it -- we talk and play politics to shift the responsibility around to no avail. I suppose that only the ones who will suffer the major consequences will have the gumption to tackle the problem head-on.
The truth about the keystone xl pipeline.
http://www.nationofchange.org/keystone-xl-pipeline-wrong-message-wrong-time-wrong-place-1362410925
upd as of 3/4
Prices are expected to jump the highest for the midwest, where I live. Which is why it's absolute bullshit that my congressman straight works for the pipeline. He is beyond corrupt. He is literally bought and paid for... similar to his joke of racist father.
Negative 5 for speaking against the keystone pipeline and republican Lee Terry. Wow this forum is over run by party hacks who really don't like me. LOL
Negative 5 for speaking against the Keyston pipeline and the president's so far approval. Yep, definitely overrun by party hacks. Either that or it's just one person with 5 accounts, which is also very likely. LOL
I'll toss you a twinkle.
We may not agree no much, but this one is clear, the XL should NOT be built, and one of it's aims, is to raise fuel prices in the Mid West..
thanks. The keystone pipeline is just another of the many scams that corporate America, in this case even corporate Canada, is trying to pull on the people.
Action Alert!! Not your average petition.
https://act.credoaction.com/campaign/kxl_pledge/index.html?r=12364207
Commit to real action and we CAN snuff out the fuse.
Yes, some will definitely profit from the pipeline, presumably your congressman will be included. I hope that his constituents are smart enough to see through his duplicity.
Mr. Obama added. “And as long as I’m president, we’re going to keep on encouraging oil development and infrastructure, and we’re going to do it in a way that protects the health and safety of the American people” - Obama
Thankyou for pointing out Obama "wants to protect the health and safety of the American people
and that the NYT is 10 months old
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/us/politics/inoklahoma-obama-declares-pipeline-support.html?_r=0
I am against XL and I believe Obama is playing a "long" game
we will see
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What does Obama have to GAIN by completing the pipeline?
Nothing, I hope Pres Obama continues his successful resistance of the massive right wing pressure and their fossil fuel puppet masters.
That is why I've joined the demonstrations, so that the Pres knows his thus far successful resistance is appreciated.
Re-task it to pipe water? That would be a good one.
He hasn't approved it yet. I suspect he may. That will be profoundly disappointing.
That doesn't change the fact that the greatest supporters of XL Keystone & the greatest obstacle to the widespread implementation of alternative energy are right wing climate deniers.
Nor does it change the major progress the Dems have made and support.
I am against xl keystone also. I will continue protesting it, and continue protesting against my Gov Cuomo on fracking, and continue demonstrating for alternative energy, while informing all regarding the truth that the right wing climate deniers are the greatest problem regarding all these issues.
I never said his words are accurate when it comes to "protects the health and safety of the American people" - because obviously that is not accurate of the pipeline and the tarsands. I was just quoting him, because that is what he said. Politicians lie a lot. In fact, the tarsands are incredibly destructive as well as the emissions from it's final product. There is no way to have this pipeline in a way that protects the health and safety of the American people. That is what my whole post is about.
I used the article from Oklahoma to point out that Obama is going to approve the finalization of the pipeline just as he approved the southern section. The article being 10 months old does not change the fact that he did exactly what was said in the article, which was "In Oklahoma, Obama Declares Pipeline Support"
His support for the pipeline has not changed. He just wants a specific plan before he approves it.
I do not think he will
we will see
This is discouraging. But he could still cancel it.
http://www.nationofchange.org/keystone-pipeline-us-pays-foxes-assess-henhouse-delicious-1364308381
what evidence do you have to back up that he will not allow the pipeline?
none
I think he is a pragmatist
He knows the pipeline is useless until it is completely approved
He does not need to be concerned about re-election
"none" - at least you're being honest.
I try
Keep in mind - Obama is not a king or dictator
he cannot do everything he wants
Guantanamo is the perfect example - he would have shut it down, but the Rs refused to fund it
He has to "battle" an adversary who is willing to destroy the world economy with blackmail.
Many of Obama's actions & inactions that many in OWS don't approve can be clearly derived from his pragmatisim & constraints on his power
obama has no use for the constitution , has said so. the only thing thats keeping him from being a dictator of the american people, are those who know the constitution. the bill of rights is a protection for the citizens of the USA , protecting them from the tyranny of govt.
"obama has no use for the constitution , has said so."
cite the source or admit you are a liar
www.townhall.com/...2012/06/15/obama_v_the_ constitution/page/full
right wing claptrap & book sales
today at obamas press conference , obama said "my understanding is that the vice presidents going to provide a range of steps that we can take to reduce gun violence. some of them will require legislation, some of them i can accomplish through executive action.and so i will be reviewing those today and as i said, i will speak in more detail to what we're going to go ahead and propose later in the week. but i'm confident that there are some steps that we can take that dont require legislation and that are within my authroity as president, and where you get a step that, has the opportunity to reduce the possibility of gun violence, then i want to go ahead and take it"
Keep in mind he supports the pipeline. His only issue has been on the specifics of how it is built and the route it takes, it has never been about stopping it. Hence his support of the southern section.
Your argument is invalid. You yourself said you have no evidence to back up that Obama wants to end the pipeline.
Defending him on a made up stance solves nothing. Go ahead and support Obama if you want, but at least criticize him where he is obviously wrong.
Just keep signing for those NDAA's.... and you wonder why Guantanamo is still open. One of the many reasons I detest the indefinite detention provisions, which Obama's administration fought in court to keep after a judge ruled the provisions unconstitutional. What you are seeing with GTMO and indefinite detention laws, NDAA, court cases, etc this back and forth with R's and D's.... it's called MANUFACTURING CONSENT
And Noam Chomsky wrote a book with that title, it's all political theatre.
~Odin~
Chomsky is a smart man. More people could do a lot of good if they read his books or watched some of his interviews. He can fit a mile of knowledge into an inch.
Agreed, he has a great mind. One of my daughters who was a poly sci major at McGill years ago turned me onto him.
~Odin~
Have you ever read anything by Chris Hedges? I'm just about done with my 3rd Hedges book.
I haven't read any of his books yet, but I have been reading his column in Truthdig just about every week for quite a while (comes out every Monday). I've also watched his three hour CSpan interview (below link) 2-3 times, and I highly recommend viewing it. His analysis of where we are at is very sobering, but I believe it to be accurate. Out of the three books that you have read, which one do you think i should start with?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zotYU21qcU
~Odin~
His best book, and Bill Moyers agrees, is Death of the Liberal Class. It is not only Hedges best book, but it is one of the best books I have ever read.
I've watched that interview before. I think I only made it about an hour in. The World As It Is is actually close to next on my reading list. I have about 50 pages left in Days of Destruction Days of Revolt, then I'm reading Griftopia by Matt Taibbi. One of my new year's goals is to read a book every 2 weeks.
Thanks, I've written them down. If the media were flooded with the likes of those three guys, it is unlikely we would be in the situation we are in now. Good luck on your endeavor.
Toward the end of that CSpan interview, a guy calls in and asks something to the effect of, 'What can I do to help ensure that my grandkids grow up in a better world?' Hedges answers him by solemnly telling him to get his body out there, and get arrested for peaceful civil disobedience. Although I do not look forward to it, and have come close twice...I feel that it is only a matter of time for me.
BTW, I just got back from an OWS/OTS meeting in NYC after having been gone visiting family in AK for the last couple of months. It was great to see all of those mostly young bright, dynamic people with their indomitable spirit. I have so much respect for them. I view this for the most part, as 'their revolution,' so as usual, I limited my input. While I feel that we all wish that this rev was further along than it is, their determination was very evident, while THEY strategized how to go forward. In any event, knowing this is just one of many similar goups, I know that 'the cat will never be able to be put back in the bag.'
~Odin~
I do not wonder why Gitmo is open- I told you why.
and I told you that the NDAA's and the court cases play into that as well as the republicans do.
No indefinite detention laws, no GTMO.
Republicans worked hard to keep the provisions in there, and Obama's administration worked hard to have the court case dismissed when a judge said the provisions are unconstitutional.
This is not a one sided issue. It's manufacturing consent hard at work.
Actions are louder than words.
We must protest all pols to change these rights violations.
Identify, denounce, humiliate, every pol who spews the fear mongering 'war on terror' propaganda that creates support amongst the 99%.
It is OUR failure if we do not get a large growing protest to put pressure on the Pres & all pols to repeal these laws.
We should pressure Pres Obama to CONTINUE his successful resistance of the right wing pressure to complete the pipeline.
But if we are silent on the repub guilt/efforts to push this through we are just being dishonest and partisan.
And in regards to you weak efforts to go off thread and distract from the repub guilt on the pipeline. We should pressure Pres Obamato continue pushing against repub efforts to keep gitmo open.
We should not leave out the fact that repubs added the language that makes it nearly impossible to close Gitmo.
That would be dishonest and partisan.
I do not think the NDAA - indefinite detention has anything to do with PRESENT prisoners. How many people has Obama put in Gitmo since he took office?
Have you read the provisions in the NDAA in regards to indefinite detention or are you just saying what you said just to say it?
I've read them. The detention provisions are directly related to GTMO and other prisons. Obama himself even acknowledges that. So why won't you?
threatened a veto but just signed it - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/03/ndaa-obama-indefinite-detention_n_2402601.html
How many people died in the surge in Afghanistan? How many people have died in drone strikes?
They lowered the level of pursuing prisoners for GTMO and broadened the assassination program instead.
I did read last year's
I still don't know how it relates to prisoners in Gitmo today
And how many people has Obama put into Gitmo?
I don't understand how Gitmo relates to the surge in Afghanistan
Do you?
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successful resistance does not include supporting the Keystone Xl pipeline.
Which James Hansen calls GAME OVER
I agree with James Hansen & you that we must convince Pres Obama to maintain his thus far successful resistance to the massive repub/fossil fuel corp pressure to approve the pipeline.
It is up to us to create massive protests against the pipeline in order to give the Pres the leverage to say no to repub/fossil fuel corps.
And here is what progressives think of the other climate change issues that Pres Obama is battling repubs/fossil fuel corps over.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/report/2013/01/09/49187/president-obamas-clean-energy-progress-how-the-top-10-energy-priorities-fared-during-his-first-term/
TRUTH - what evidence - when you consider that oil and coal and LNG were promoted by the president as necessary energy supplies for the Nation ( USA ) - and yet the fossil fuel companies are not stock piling it for domestic use - BUT are exporting it for profit. So Where Is The Urgent National Need???
The comment from a user below is quite hilarious.
It speaks against climate deniers who support the pipeline, while also backing the justification by climate deniers for the pipeline.
There is no excuse to support this pipeline because the oil is going to the coast for export. It's not for your car or your heat. It's for Transcanada to make profits.
VQ? yeah I know - silly and a bit blind to facts - check out my response.
I did. It was a good response.
Who has ignored the fact that it is one party that has obstructed progress on all these issues.?
The pipeline AIN'T approved. Repubs have been at the forefront of support for it. That fact has been left out!
The repubs opposed all the climate initiatives this Pres has successfully implemented. That fact has been left out!
Every green tech investment obstructed or opposed by repubs. That fact left out. The increase in MPG? Repubs opposed. Electric cars? ridiculed mercilessly. by the right Closing coal plants? Attacked by the right wing climate deniers. EPA imposing limits on soot? Opposed by repubs.
All facts left out, and glossed oever on this climate change thread. Silly? Anyone leaving out these facts are not only silly but dishonest.
Discuss climate change if you like. but don't pretend this is that.
This is clearly just a partisan Bash Obama thread.
He is a terrible president. He just chose Jack Lew from Citi Bank to head the treasury. He supports a system giving TRILLIONS to banks. He supports the Afghanistan war that is a war of imperialism that is bankrupting the government for corporate profits.
You think I don't like Obama - yah I think Obama is a terrible president. Pointing this out is something I've stated many times. Obama is a liar and a greenwasher when it comes to his stance on climate change. Only a fraud would support any aspect of this pipeline. He supports the pipeline and that is in this link.
It is common knowledge that Chevron and other big oil corps own the republicans.Everyone knows republicans support the pipeline. Obama was supposed to be the climate change guy yet he's supporting dirty oil. Also I mention that Transcanada owns my republican congressman in this forum post as well.... "the corporate takeover is almost complete"
The real question is, why do you constantly support a fraud giving trillions to banks? Why do you post bullshit lies like "Obama supports OWS" ? Why are you defending him when he is supporting a pipeline of destruction?
It is you who is partisan. Only you could read comments from Jack Hansen and come back with your dumb ass troll comments.
Okay I'm going back to ignoring you. You should take some advice from DKA.
Yes I bash on the problems in this presidency and yes I bash on the problems in Congress. Maybe you've never read any of my posts on Lindsey Graham and his warmonger policies trying to turn the world into a battlefield. This is actually the first post I've had relating Obama to the pipeline. Normally I just talk about my congressman that works for Transcanada.
Pres Obama has successfully resisted repub pressure to complete the pipeline.
That is the truth.
I do not support the pipeline, I demonstrate the pres to pressure him to remain strong against the repubs/fossil fuel pressure.
I believe Pres Obama will cave in to repub/fossil fuel pressure.
All the rest of your anti Obama partisan bashing is not thread related so I will let that go here.
I will find the link for the efforts Pres Obama (and Dems ) have made in greentech over the objection of the real guilty parties (repubs/fossil fuel corps).
Thank you Peace
Pres Obama has successfully resisted repub pressure to complete the pipeline.
That is the truth.
I do not support the pipeline, I demonstrate the Pres. to pressure him to remain strong against the repubs/fossil fuel pressure.
Your continued silence on the most guilty regarding this pipeline betrays your transparent partisanship.
He supports completing the pipeline. It's all just a matter of the route it takes, which is why it has been delayed. It has never once been about stopping the pipeline. Which is why he supported the southern section and announced support in OKlahoma.
No more response for you.
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You're distorting truth. He has resisted building it before a new route proposal has been created and studied. He has never been about stopping the pipeline. He is only concerned about the route...
Like Hansen said "it's game over"
Again this pipeline issue is Manufacturing Consent hard at work.
But you and I DO agree that Pres Obama HAS resisted the massive pressure by the repubs/fossil fuel corps right?
Repubs/fossil fuel corps HAVE been putting the massive pressure right?
You and I DO agree with Hansens prognosis that it means "game over" right?
Where do we disagree?
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BULLSHIT - it is a proper call for the president to pull his head out of his ass because we ( most of us anyway ) see the lie promoted for the need to expand environmental destruction for fossil fuel extraction that is not needed by THE USA but is needed for profits over people by the Fossil fuel Industries.
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BULLSHIT - I have been continuously calling out ALL who are standing in the way of green tech implementation.
Your apparent ( apparent ) failing is you are all keyed up on one aspect of the green tech roadblock and are not giving proper attention to ALL of the green tech roadblock sources.
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I made a comment to a comment and have stayed with the resulting conversation.
Like I have told you before your single minded approach to things is a weakness on your part - it is an obstruction to your looking at information presented and seeing the truth in it - it is why you attack individuals - because you refuse to see the information that is presented and anyone who disagrees with you must be an attacker.
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See most recent comment to you ( bu-bye for now )
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No One can talk to you - so why don't you take a hike for a while and consider that FACT - go look in the mirror for a while and carry on your conversations - this way you will have a willing and always agreeable audience - then after a while if you have not made yourself angry by disagreeing with yourself - maybe then you can sit down and contemplate the fact that you can not have rational back and forth discussions.
Bu-Bye for now - I am done responding to you for the moment.
James Hansen of NASA must just be a republican shill trying to take down Obama right? LOL
The user previously mentioned is still focused more on party than issues.
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This thread is about climate change. I brought the TRUTH that the right wing climate deniers are the greatest threat/obstructionists.
You have attacked me for this truth because you want to lend support to trev. Well guess what.? He is wrong to stay silent on those most guilty in regards to climate change. Not unusual for him to give repubs a pass, but it is unusual for YOU. Especially on this issue which you have thus far appeared to understand fairly well.
So the single minded approach is to address climate change by only bashing one politician. Especially since he has stood in front ofthe greater threat not even being mentioned.
How do you discuss the keystone pipeline and leave out the biggest propenent? How do you leave out that it has been delayed by one man? How do you leave out all the attacks on him for that delay by the repubs?
No I am not single minded. Those who leave out the truth are single mindedly bashing one politician when others are clearly historically the most guilty.
I do not support the pipeline. I support greentech and protest the right wing climate deniers (that you are silent about)
My opposition to fossil fuel has not rendered me ignorant of the fact that we still need fossil fuel. Precisely because so many are SILENT about the right climate deniers who are the greatest obstruction to widespread green tech implementation.
The repubs have been pushing this pipeline over Dem objections. That ain't bullshit. That's just a fact conveniently left out of this thread.
This Pres has stopped the pipeline, delayed it over the objections of REPUBS.
I still protest him, because he CAN stop it.
I just don't leave out the repubs cause they are the biggest proponents of this pipeline and the fossil fuel industry.
Staying silent on the biggest obstacle just allows them to continue unimpeded.
I'M surprised YOU have stayed silent on repubs obvious guilt on this pipeline, regarding all fossil fuel support, and all greentech obstruction.
Only one party has pushed for ending fossil fuel subsidies incl Pres Obama. Only one party has objected.
The silence on that FACT is more than "silly" it is dishonest and provides cover for the real guilty on this critical issue.
I recognize &protest all pols on this issue. I do not leave the mostguilty out of the blame assignment!
I have mentioned several climate issues on this climate thread. You have only mentioned the pipeline. You ain't mentioned WHO has been pushing it, nor have you given credit to the party that has prevented it's completion.
But all the issues I have brought up clearly have one party in support (Dems) and one against (repubs)
So YOU are talkin about one thing (NOT FACTUALLY) I am talking of ALL greentech issues & have included the most guilty (repubs) who you continue to remain silent on.
Because widespread green tech implementation has been obstructed by the climate deniers we are still dependent on fossil fuels.
Right? Isn't that the urgent national need? Heating homes & running cars.
Don't you have a need to run YOUR car?
That may be. I'm against the pipeline regardless, I demonstrate Pres Obama to maintain his thus far success at resisting the massive pressure of repubs & fossil fuel corps.
Besides my agreement with you on this issue I propose we all change our ways, Move closer to work (as you claimed), get rid of the transportation pollution machine, & become a vegetarian, (the energy necessary for meat production is massive!)
the Keystone pipeline has nothing to do with getting oil for my car nor heat for my home.
That is a justification phony republicans and democrats use for supporting the pipeline that is being built for a foreign oil company's profits. The pipeline is being built to export from the coast you fool.
Stop pushing propaganda.
Also you've really gone above and beyond in your trolling today.
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So where is the ability to export this precious substance to other countries - when it is so vitally need here in the USA ???? Please VQ wake-up and smell the unnecessary pollution for profit being promoted by a false story of immediate need.
No need for the hostility. We agree.
Do we agree that the greatest obstacle to progress on these issues is the right wing climate deniers?
Because, really that is the only issue I have brought up that no one else has.. Is this a climate change/fossil fuel thread? Or a bash Obama/stay silent about the repubs thread?
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Perhaps - but we have no need to export it to other countries to help fuck-up the environment faster - no need other then fossil fuel profits.
This is what I am surprised that you are not hollering about.
I am hollering about the biggest threat/obstacle to that problem and all climate issues.
The RIGHT WING climate deniers.
The most guilty are given a pass on this thread. instead we attack the guy who has so far prevented the pipeline that the most guilty (repubs) have been pushing relentlessly
I have made no excuses. that is you blatantly lying.
I support all progress. The Dems would have made more if not for repub obstruction. That ain't an excuse. That is reality!
You're the one who isn't howling. At the real obstructionists. The repubs.
Yet you excuse his obvious failures to call for proper support for environmental/infrastructure change - yet you excuse the near silence of green tech supporters in government in calling for support for green tech implementation.
Yet you do not howl over the fact that fossil fuel is being extracted for export.
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I am not lying - your excusing the president and the other government officials for not proper support - is - what one may call - Turning A blind Eye.
And because I point this out to you you have now put me on your list of enemies.
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I have no list of enemies. I have not made excuses for the president.
You HAVE stayed silent on repub guilt/obstruction regarding climate change issues.
WHY?
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GROW-UP VQ
no one deies that is a climate,...........but there is no climate change, or global warming, its a scam, just ask uncle al.
Exactly why that sierra club action and any like it it are so important - We - The People - need to sound off on governmental stinken thinken and point the true course that should be taken - scrap fossil fuel asap and do a full implementation of green technology asap - for the environment for our infra structure for our economy for our employment for .............
Folks please also see : http://occupywallst.org/forum/idlenomore-first-nations-rally-against-attacks-ind/
For our future as a species.
Thanks for the good words DKA!
My reply to that forum post link -
Dene chief: 'My nation will stop the pipeline' The Berger Inquiry crosses Northern Canada, hearing testimony from hundreds of natives, Metis and white residents in every community it can reach. The most dramatic moment of the inquiry comes when Fort Good Hope Chief Frank T'Seleie gives an impassioned speech against the pipeline. He tells Foothills Pipelines president Bob Blair, "You are the 20th century General Custer. You are coming with your troops to slaughter us and steal land that is rightfully ours."
Great video in the link - old but great! - please watch for real inspiration - http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/politics/rights-freedoms/the-berger-pipeline-inquiry/my-nation-will-stop-the-pipeline.html
The capitalist's war against Native Americans continues to this day.
Solidarity - Peace - Health - Prosperity - FOR ALL. {:-])
The capitalist's war against - all societies - but yes a continuation of subjugation/treaties/broken-promises.
Time and long past time that ALL Peoples Stand Together against the blind destructive greed of business and its influence in government.
it is indeed against all societies.
The US Chamber of Commerce has been corrupted into a front group for major corporations like Chevron, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, and News Corp. They flood the machine with oil.
And recognize the greatest obstacle to all those agreed upon problems have been & still remain the right wing climate deniers.
The best we can do BESIDES protesting all pols & denouncing the greatest threat, & supporting green tech is.
Get rid of your cars, And become a vegetarian. WE can make a difference. Can't change the world but can change the world in yourself.
People - PLEASE - support actions like - Move To Amend. This will be a solid step forward in removing power/influence of business.
ALSO - Support the actions/protests/petitions that come along denouncing fossil fuel and other threats to humanity/world.
Let the government know - in no uncertain terms that things like fracking and mountain top mining and toxic coal ash fields and .......... ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE - AND ARE IN NO WAY NEEDED FOR THIS COUNTRY's ENERGY NEEDS - If They were vitally needed - THERE WOULD BE NO EXPORT
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VQ - now you are being silly - YES - silly.
We all know that there are roadblocks being put up to prevent green tech implementation - road blocks by fossil fuel interests.
But to be exporting these products that are so vitally needed for our National Energy security/needs is BULLSHIT - and The President is more aware of this fact then you would give him credit for and yet he pushes it to the public as an urgent and necessary thing/sacrifice-to-the-environment - WHEN INSTEAD HE SHOULD BE PUSHING THE END OF FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES - PUSHING THE END OF FOSSIL FUEL USE - AND THE IMMEDIATE FULL SCALE IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL AVAILABLE GREEN TECH.
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Do not overlook the Presidents failure to push for green technology and the end of fossil fuel. Where is his impassioned outcry to the people to get behind him and all green tech supporters to end fossil fuel subsidies? Where is the impassioned call for the public to pressure their politicians/government for green tech implementation?
No he calls for green implementation but as only a small part of what we need to be doing right now.
If he were honest in his call for green energy he would also call for a ban on exporting ( what is vitally needed for our energy program ) - he would call for a ban on unnecessary extraction and mining that is also destroying our environment - and for WHAT???? - To export - FOR PROFIT - not to stock pile for needed domestic use.
Face the truth VQ.
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It is not ALL repub/Rino obstruction - accept that fact.
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When you have refused to criticize the repubs even once for all the obstruction they are guilty of over the last 2 decades!
You want me to say it ain't ONLY them? Dem Sen Mary Landreu has voted for fossil fuel industry.
YOU are still silent on the real threat/obstructionists in regards to ALL climate change issues.
Why? Why do you give the repubs a pass? Why are you pretending THEY aren't the main supporter of fossil fuel, & the main obstructionists on green tech.?
WHY?
I agree that he hasn't done enough. But I support all he has done. I recognize he would have done more but for the repub fossil fuel tools who have obstructed him.
So we are faced with 1 party that supports greentech, and recognizes climate change, ( does some but not enough) and the other party who supports fossil fuels, denies climate change, and prevents the efforts of the other.
Do you stay silent on the repubs who support fossil fuel, deny climate change, & obstruct dem efforts? I guess that is your position.
THAT we disagree on.
Do you then go a step further and attack the party that supports greentech, agrees on climate change, has made slow progress against the repubs?
THAT would be serving the repubs.
Let's protest all pols. But let's not give the most guilty a pass.
Repubs are the problem. To pretend otherwise or stay silent is wrong & serves the enemies of the 99%
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I do not give repub/rinos a pass - you do not include the full picture and scope of an issue - then when that is pointed out to you - you take it as a personal attack.
GROW THE FUCK-UP.
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and has link to her Senators: Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken
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From the Sierra club:
Join me at the @whitehouse on 2/17. Obama needs to move #forwardonclimate and stop KXL! http://action.sierraclub.org/site/PageServer?pagename=nat_signup_feb17&s_src=710ZSCSH01 … 4OURfuture. pls Share/Circulate
anyone want to discuss climate change and capitalism's destruction of the planet?