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Forum Post: Thanks for the on-line forum page Action = Today We Fight Back

Posted 5 months ago on Feb. 11, 2014, 3:06 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN
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What I added:

May I add - There is plenty of observation ( data collection ) that can be done in completely public space - that public space being in the physical world = Shopping malls - public streets and sidewalks - Airports - Bus Stations - Train Stations - Ocean River Sea Ports - Physical locations on the border. All of these areas would no doubt flood observers with information that can be acted upon - such as crime as it happens for our peace keepers to respond to in real time - crime such as theft or assault or illegal drug sales etc etc etc etc etc. A vast wealth of information that can be acted upon and does not infringe on personal rights of privacy. Public information that is freely available to any and all with eyes to see - information that can be reviewed for future action (s) as well as immediate action without invading anyone's privacy.

Protect and support the Constitution.

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[-] 6 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Damn near 165,000 - still screamin along.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Nearly 83,000 calls. That must have their ears ringing too.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

I love it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

''Today We Fight Back Against Mass Surveillance'' :

''The Day We Fought Back'' : https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/day-we-fought-back from which ...

''The late Internet activist Aaron Swartz famously said, when describing how the Internet defeated the SOPA blacklist bill, that: “We won this fight because everyone made themselves the hero of their own story. Everyone took it as their job to save this crucial freedom.” ...

''Aaron’s legacy of fighting for a technological world that supports, rather than undermines, human rights inspired us today. Together, the hundreds of thousands of us that took action in the last twenty four hours, can live up to that legacy. Today, we began to win.''

There were over 250k signatures by the end of the day. Over 10k per hour. Solidarity.

ipsa scientia potestas est ...

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Over 10k per hour.

A very inspiring action.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

There were over 250k signatures by the end of the day

well that may be but that is not what https://thedaywefightback.org/ indicates, and unless I am mistaken they are the authors of the campaign.

and if you follow the link you will find that there are, as of this posting . . . .

  • 178,170

emails that have been sent.

Obviously both sources cannot possibly be correct.

.

  • but of course, that was the whole point, wasn't it.
[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

Thanx & https://www.eff.org/ are at the forefront of defending all our rights.

However I will leave u to your reactionary, conservative spasms, as usual.

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

mutherfuker I been standin on this very fukin line all by my self for 16 years. it really is no wonder there is such a huge disconnect between the nature and extent of the issue and this particular action - but never mind. I'm sure it is completely lost on you and honestly I think I actually prefer my own company. go piss up a rope

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

WTF do u want ?!!! A fkn medal ?!! Silly self-referential asshole !

I can piss down a rope if u want but only if u r at the other end !

ad absurdum(b) ...

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

Your link illustrates an important consideration, sure.

What you either choose to ignore or simply fail to comprehend is the fact that this method of data mining is so central to the war on terror that it is not going to simply disappear - regardless of the risk you have highlighted or not.

The fukers have been moving from one basement office to another ever since . . . . since Werner von Braun first came to America - now they are simply moving to the private sector.

you really are completely clueless about what is actually taking place, aren't you. No. That's not a question.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

''WAR ON TERROR'' WTF ?! STFU ... with regurgitating the propagandist language of The Imperial War Mongering 0.01% - you co-opted, hoodwinked simpleton !! ''Clueless'' is as clueless does and speaks !!!

And YES, it's from a 'conservative source' and it is specifically chosen here because anything else will probably give u serious heartburn but just in case I'm wrong, see if you can digest this without gagging :

Btw, your Govt. was CAPTURED by The Corporate-Military-Industrial- Security & Incarceration Complex .. a long time ago !!! Neocon & Neoliberal are words that were coined well after the event !! So do I really have to remind u of Eisenhower's valedictory speech now or can u actually find your own link for that ?!

~}~ GET CLUED UP ! DEMOCRACY IS THE ONLY SOLUTION !! RESISTANCE IS FERTILE !!! ~{~

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

bright boy

so let's actually count weeks, because I know you are a little bit slow here -

Now remember . . . the eleventh is the beginning date, so the 18th marks one full week, and the 25th marks two . . . now for

can you count six weeks and three days? sure you can . . .

imagine that! From introduction to signature! Three Days!

The current pdf of hr 3162 as it was passed in October of 2001 is 131 pages. Obviously, Lawn Raul was correct in asserting that this bill was written before the event.

.

So what does that mean - bright boy?

It means they plan long term. It means they use angry mutherfukers - people like al Qaida - or even Timothy McVeigh - to further their aims - it means we are left in the unenviable position of having to deal with both angry mutherfukers and them, and at the same time

now they've used Edward Snowden, and now all of us, and the entire program will continue on without a hitch.

.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

YES ''they plan'', now we're getting somewhere !!! ''Ron Lawl was correct'', eh ?!! Well I never ! You mean you agree that even nut-jobs like broken clocks, can be right sometimes ? yEP - the 1000+ page USA PATRIOT ACT was prepared and ready for 'Express Install' ... waaay before '9/!!' and so also consider :

The Frankenstein's Monster of 'Al fkn Qaida' was a creation on The CIA, MI6, ISI, Saudi-Intelligence (an oxymoron ?!) but now these nutters are the tool of even more parties. Also consider for historical ref :

I do NOT agree re. Edward Snowden tho' ! 'They' weren't counting on that !! 'They' want to kill him, ffs !!!

Now - for a Brit Panacea ... cup o' tea to go with those cookies ?

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

lawn raul is still a racist fukin scumbag and has not earned the right to a place on the public stage

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

Ok & re. his 'Economic Psychopathy', I suggest the same 'purdah' should apply and also fyi, consider :

That is NOT an easy read so I'll recommend a long lay down with a cool drink to hand IF you choose to engage with it ... and so don't say that I didn't warn you ;-)

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

I do not grant you the privilege to speak for me

you don't speak for me

I speak for myself

[-] -3 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Where's trashy, when you finally need him.

Oh yeah, fueling you to post stuff like this.

cén fáth a bhfuil tú ag insult dom?

Ní féidir liom insult tú.

Insult tú i ndáiríre féin.

[+] -4 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

well, I don't know what your deal is. This is titled: a Revisionist Account - clearly a signal to academics, policy makers, and industrialists, that this is going to be slanted in a way diametrically opposed to the policies of the ruling elite, and done so with deliberation and intent.

It is not somehow new news that the Pentagon was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq before September 11. It is not new news that the use of September 11 as a pretext for Iraqi invasion brought tremendous harm to U.S. military capability in the short term and created an unstable environment in Iraq that may serve as a breeding ground for terrorists for decades to come. Not to mention that it distracted U.S. forces from the actual mission, which was in Afghanistan . . .

None of this is new news at all . . .

so what's your point? That you hate Jews?

I thought you had made that point already

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

rights are not earned

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

So whoTF said that I was 'speaking for you' ?!!! Are you another one who's joined today's 'melt down on the forum crew' ?!! Get it together there Matt - and full sentences are still optional ! Now maybe consider

fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

let me see if I may put this in a way that is easy to understand . . .

  • you do not have the RIGHT to represent me

That is a privilege

[-] 0 points by northernlights (14) 5 months ago

WOW..you believe "Lawn Raul was correct"?! Yes indeed, "now we're getting somewhere!!" Will you be quoting Pukecannon soon? How long have you been a libe(R)topian?..;-)

[-] -3 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

I believe if you observe carefully - and while I admit that in your case that may be extremely difficult, entailing the expenditure of an immense amount of both energy and concentration on your behalf . . . but IF you observe carefully, when I acknowledged that this racist fool was in fact correct, I did not quote his remarks, and in fact I linked to a google search result that featured his comments, rather than the substance of his remarks themselves, as proof.

That he was using this fact to further his own ambition rather than to secure this nation from grave threat - whether from within or without - simply goes without saying - I mention it in passing now only because you are so obstinately intent on over looking that obvious reality.

[-] 3 points by northernlights (14) 5 months ago

Like I said, no amount of your usual vulgar attacks, e.g, "you surreptitious mutherfucker"..will make up for your lack of spine. All they do is prove what a base individual you are.

And voting every couple of years for one of the parties in the duopoly doesn't count, hence it won't help in your quest not to be spineless.

Perhaps you should team up with the Lion and take a trek to see the Good Witch of The North. She may be residing in nearby Montreal where there are an overwhelming number of people with more chutzpah than you.

[-] -3 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

will make up for your lack of spine

I know who I am, mutherfuker

[-] 1 points by northernlights (14) 5 months ago

No reason to explain, we understand. By not providing the Lawn Raul quote that you agree with, you are showing your lack of spine. The accuser fears being the accus-ee in quoting a neocon who may have been right on that one point!

And no amount of your typical vulgar comments makes up for that, or your lack of sincerity.

So all I am saying is if you are going to dish bullshit as you have done with your redbaiing-like attacks in the last few days..you shouldn't be surprised when it gets thrown back at you and slaps you in the face.

Mann up man! And BTW, I''ll trade being a bit thick for having a spine any day of the week.

[-] -3 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

interesting

now I'm really not sure . . . are you a shadz sock puppet? or a trashy macaque sock puppet imitating shadz . . .

  • Mann up man!

I really don't care if shadz really is a socialist commie pinko or if he really works for MI-6 - I just don't care

but you on the other hand . . . you surreptitious mutherfuker

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[-] 0 points by northernlights (14) 5 months ago

Replying here. "I know who I am, mutherfucker". And so do I as,

I have been on Planet Earth long enough to know a base milquetoast-er when I hear one.

[+] -5 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

hmm? what's that?

you surreptitious mutherfuker

.

[+] -5 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Lookin' in the mirror again Odin?

Or just talking to the cabal?

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[-] -1 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

Now had u said that I was ''Anti-Apartheid State'' or even ''Anti-Zionist'', then u would have a point @ ... http://occupywallst.org/forum/thanks-for-the-on-line-forum-page-action-today-we-/#comment-1023061 & u would be right ! BUT your words ''hate Jews'' are specifically designed and employed to censor & bully people here into a cowed silence isn't it ?!! That shit doesn't work on me and you are a liar, dead wrong and know nothing about me personally - so fk u ZenDick !!!

Furthermore, maybe you should calmly and carefully consider inter alia :

Maybe u need some help from Trashy - like your mate snooz seems to !

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

WTF does that have to do with me ?!!! Never mind your fractious bickering with me snooz, go see if u can get the forum fixed because it is still pretty fukt and ask someone else if u like !! Also does this :

temet nosce ...

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

I don't think twitter can function as efficiently in gathering and sorting out ideas as this forum

[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

you are correct - I know absolutely nothing about you. I know that you often sound like an anti.Semite. I'm pretty sure Pat PUKEcannon and all the rest of the main stream libertarian paulite scum is anti.Semitic not to mention blatantly racist and homophobic to boot.

I'm none of these things, but lacking all social graces may on occasion make my crass indiscretions quite spinnable . . .

But as for liar?

Wrong guy. I'm as apt to tell the truth when it isn't convenient as I am to open my mouth.

And if you didn't want to know that that dress does make you look fat, then don't ask.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (18322) 5 months ago

Pfft, ''sound like an anti.Semite'' is just more of the calculated mendacity designed to bully and shut down any debate and analysis, isn't it ?!!! Saying that ''hate Jews'' was my ''point'' is a fat lie and that makes u a liar in my book, ZenDick ?!! Your being ''more conservative than the average liberal'' [and u know that I can prove that] does not absolve u from taking responsibility for what u say but u know me - after two and a half years of posting here, I don't really give a flying fk what u think or say - just as long as u keep giving me the opportunity to lay down salient facts and information !

Perhaps all these folks are 'anti-semites' too but IF u want to have this out man to man, how about u revive GF's thread again as I invited u to do before (in time) and above (in space) instead of confusing DKAt's post ? I do see how 'GirlFriedhead' & u play this - but I am more than prepared to smack your attempts at curveballs right the fk out of the ball park, so do go right on ahead and pitch, chance your arm if you've got the hard or soft balls and let the chips fall where they may so that readers can decide.

fiat lux ...

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[+] -4 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

'sound like an anti.Semite'' is just more of the calculated mendacity

o fukin bullshit

that's exactly what you sound like - and it's really too bad you cannot hear yourself. and not only does it make you sound like an anti.Semite, you provide perfect cover for those who are.

what's that? What's the rest of what you are trying to say? I can't really hear you very well - its all them fuking alarm bells . . .

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21480) 5 months ago

If you are against the human rights of the Palestinian people, what does that make you? You see, being for the rights of one people certainly does not mean one is against another group. Painting the stroke of anti-Semitic to shut up those who are pro-Palestinian is cute, but it doesn't work if you think about it.

The real question is: What should we call people who don't care about human rights in general, and, in particular the human rights of the Palestinian people? Is there some broad stroke we can use on you? Fascist? Racist? Let's think about it.

[+] -4 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

think all you want - I have written to the Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. in the past in defense of Palestinian human rights. Whether Israel has used F-16s in the past against rocket launchers based among Palestinian neighborhoods or not, one fact remains -

any comparison between Jewish minorities in Arab lands, and Arab minorities under Jewish rule, illustrates very clearly - Arabs receive far better treatment at Jewish hands, than either Arabs or Jews receive from Arab governments.

It's a fact. And until you can come to grips with reality all of your utterances are a meaningless whirlwind of nonsense signifying nothing at all.

spin on young one, spin on

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[-] -2 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

It's gone today............................:(

Any news on the final count?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

EDIT - My Bad - I looked again = 180,204 e-mails and 87,010 calls so 267,214 contacts/messages made/sent.

I looked at the site - didn't see a final tally. The e-mails were hot and heavy and very steady all day. If they pulled the action at midnight - I can't see it being less than like 185,000 e-mails.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

At any rate, I hope to see more of those in the future.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Damn Right - Big Brother is an important issue and there are so many more. The action showing a running tally of responses is a very good one. Nice way to bring groups and individuals together to speak-up speak-out.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Bernie has a great deal to say on the subject.

http://www.occupy.com/article/bernie-sanders-nsa

http://www.occupy.com/article/bernie-sanders-nation-if-you-are-not-prepared-defend-privacy-rights-dont-expect-my-vote

detractors.....please note. these are Occupy endorsed articles.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

I looked again = 180,204 e-mails and 87,010 calls so 267,214 contacts/messages made/sent.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Not bad for a days work, eh?

Perhaps Bernie deserves his own thread?

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Bernie Sanders is usually ( always ? ) worthy of His own Threads/Posts.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Not bad for a days work, eh?

At that rate - less than 4 complete days and a million responses would have taken place - perhaps more as the action got better circulation.

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

link jammed san diego

there it goes

They best plan I've seen for representative government would be casting ones vote to another

then those interested in politics will carry the votes of those that cast their vote to them

anybody that can reach the internet may directly partipate

if i cast my vote to a representative, i may choose to revoke it at anytime

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

I think it has something to do with anger

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13084) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

waldorf-stadler.jpg

dammit there was a link perhaps a person looking for contact

oh wait, it could have responded to my response

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago
[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

WooooHooooo 128,000 plus and flyin.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

BTW - TWEET

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

Today, I took a stand against mass surveillance by the NSA. Will you join me? https://thedaywefightback.org/ #stopthensa

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Tuesday was amazing. Working with scores of organizations, and thousands of sites, and hundreds of thousands of activists, we organized the largest online privacy protest ever.

Nearly 100,000 calls were placed to Congress on that day, melting the phone lines and making it clear that we will persist in the fight to end mass surveillance.

Please click here to check out the stats.

And please share them widely, so the whole world knows just how strong we are when we work together:

Share on Facebook by CLICKING HERE.

Share on Twitter by CLICKING HERE.

On Tuesday we sought to make a dent, while laying a foundation for escalation over the months to come: It was a tremendous success.

We demonstrated that civil society organizations, hundreds of thousands of activists, and major corporations are willing to bring coordinated pressure to bear on lawmakers.

Just a few highlights:

  • Scores of organizations from across the political spectrum banded together.

  • Thousands of sites urged their visitors to take action.

  • Google formally endorsed the USA FREEDOM Act, which would end bulk data collection.

  • Twitter tweeted to nearly 30 million people in support.

  • Dozens of lawmakers issued statements of support.

  • NSA acolyte Senator Dianne Feinstein was on the run from her own constituents.

We will persist, we will escalate, and we will win.

Please click here to check out the stats.

And please share them widely, so the whole world knows just how strong we are when we work together:

Share on Facebook by CLICKING HERE.

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Onward!

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[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4495) 5 months ago

Magnificent

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Truly

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Today we’re giving a major boost to a pair of petitions in support of NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. Please add your name to one or both.

RootsAction is getting ready to publicly deliver these petitions to officials in Washington. The more signers, the greater the impact -- as we reach out to news media everywhere.

Truth must be told: Edward Snowden’s “crime” was to educate Americans and the world about the dangerous growth of the U.S. surveillance state.

Last summer -- after Snowden released documents on the NSA’s mass surveillance programs -- the State Department suddenly revoked his passport in an effort to prevent him from reaching any country willing to grant political asylum.

Snowden didn’t get the due process he deserves.

Freedom to travel requires a passport. It’s a basic principle.

Tell Kerry to reinstate Edward Snowden’s passport now.

But returning Snowden’s passport isn’t enough. The U.S. government should make an ironclad commitment to fully respect his legal rights to seek political asylum.

You can send a clear message that insists the U.S. government must not engage in any abduction or other foul play against Snowden. Your name can go on this petition right now: Mr. President, Hands Off Edward Snowden!

You can also help by forwarding this email to people you know who care about civil liberties.

Thank you!

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[-] 1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

I signed yesterday, with the counter just over 2,000.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

98,163 e-mails sent as of now - that - is AWESOME.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

This just went up late last night too.

I hope to see more of them.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

I hope to see more of them.

ABSOLUTELY - and this one is skyrocketing 115,000 and zooming.

One to support Move to Amend

One to support squashing KXL

One to support OSTA

So Much To get DONE.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

At this rate we could bust a million in days.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

You Bet. 20 minutes and over 4,000 new e-mails. Pandemic time?

[-] 0 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

yep. looking good.

I say either ban this spying altogether, or make encryption illegal.

One or the other.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

I can see where encryption is needed - just to protect against malware. BUT - spying on the public's on-line communications and phone calls should be done away with - it is unconstitutional to invade privacy - there is a vast flood of information to be tapped just by the use of eyes and ears out on the street - a flood of information so vast that ( like their meta data ) they could not possibly make proper use of it all.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

They'll be makin' stuff up for job security and performance reviews.

Governments spy on each other anyway.. they can stay away from us little guys.

Don't we take enough abuse?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Don't we take enough abuse?

Way to much - this truth "they" may well regret ignoring - soon.

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[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

this place already has a front page

the method seems redundant

[-] 1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

It shows up there too. Some of us come to this page directly.

Everybody gets to see it this way. I do hope they get it out of the way of notifications though.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

new articles are already marked on the forum page

i was just admiring this place for resolving the sticky issue though super type article headings

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

not without a name

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Got a problem with signing your name? 99,799 and zooming.

[-] -2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

arbitrary numbers

the banks control the money

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

EDWARD SNOWDEN: It was clear from the president’s speech that he wanted to make minor changes to preserve authorities that we don’t need. The president created a review board from officials that were personal friends, from national security insiders, former deputy of the CIA—people who had every incentive to be soft on these programs and to see them in the best possible light. But what they found was that these programs have no value. They’ve never stopped a terrorist attack in the United States, and they have marginal utility, at best, for other things. The only thing that the Section 215 phone metadata program—actually, it’s a broader metadata program, a bulk collection—bulk collection means mass surveillance—program—was in stopping or detecting a $8,500 wire transfer from a cab driver in California. And it’s this kind of review where insiders go, "We don’t need these programs. These programs don’t make us safe. They take a tremendous amount of resources to run, and they offer us no value." They go, "We can modify these." The National Security Agency operates under the president’s executive authority alone. He can end or modify or direct a change in their policies at any time.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

They have a rather LARGE "investment" out in Utah, that gets very little coverage.

Geeze and we can't even keep the trolls out of here.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

They have a rather LARGE "investment" out in Utah, that gets very little coverage.

Billions - Trillions - wasted - thrown away - it's criminal.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

One of the questions that hasn't been asked, is when did they start construction?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

True - that huge complex didn't just appear overnight.

Another instance of do it then if ya gotta talk about it to the public - as then the project will be done - so we should use it so as to not waste the expenditure. T fuckers - just like the southern end of KXL.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Unheralded wonders of the Patriot Act.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Covert funding - another kind of dark money.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Sssshhhhh.

National security.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Sorry - forgot where I was and who we were talking about for a moment - it's the USA so it is OK - just so long as everyone else knows that they can't do these things.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Meanwhile.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/just-another-storm-of-the-century/

Oh crap, I missed the new one in Georgia.

Hey! they finally noticed.

100+ years of electricity and we still hang the wires on toothpicks, under the trees.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

100+ years of electricity and we still hang the wires on toothpicks, under the trees.

"What" could possibly go wrong? Right? No need to reinvest in the power grid and improve upon it - hell that money could be better hoarded for gosh sakes.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Re-invest??

What's that?

Just wait until the tax payer says uncle. We get them to pay for most of it, then we raise the bills anyway..........:)

Win, win.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34891) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Anyway - the whole power grid - nation wide - is in serious need of upgrade as well as maintenance - so if the country ever got serious about implementing green energy alternatives - all would need be done is to pick a place to start in anywhere USA.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

They'll be replacing a good deal of it, in and around Atlanta.

It'll hang there under the trees 'till the next time.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

the rich don't want the rest of the people to see what they can see

[-] -3 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago
[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

more responses than e mailing resumes

[-] -1 points by shooz (17656) 5 months ago

Fascinating.

How's that pay?

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