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Forum Post: Telling it like it "is" = Horrendous! Telling it like it "COULD & SHOULD BE" ! say it! Say It ! "SAY IT" ! again & Again & AGAIN !

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 4, 2015, 2:16 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (33540) from Coon Rapids, MN
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[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

''Let me define for you, simply and straightforwardly, what democratic socialism means to me. It builds on what Franklin Delano Roosevelt said when he fought for Guaranteed Economic Rights for all Americans! And it builds on what Martin Luther King Jr. said in 1968, when he stated that, "This country has socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor." It builds on the success of many other countries around the world that have done far better jobs than we have in protecting the needs of their working families, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the poor.''..

.. while enriching & liberating ALL The People In Society! Let Love and Compassion be Society's ethos, for a ''Political Revolution'' that is both possible and long overdue and the 0.01%/1%/10% know this too!

This is a Must Watch / Listen / Read, from Bernie Sanders for all OccupyWS supporters & US Citizens, who need to STOP being MSMind-Managed into voting for 0.01%/1%'s best interests, against their own!

fiat lux et per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I'll pass on the whole "give me 7% of your paycheck so I can manage your retirement for you, inflate it to worthlessness, and if you die, too bad."

30% of people die before 65, SS is total racket.

Then Bernie wonders why people dont have money to save themselves for retirement? How about you put that 15% back into the system for the 50 years they are working perhaps?

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Like Medicare & Social Security, Pensions should operate on the principle of Shared (& thus Reduced!) Risk and economies of scale!! The problem here is ... Private Pension Providers skimming and gouging The 99% at every single possible turn and the same for Private Health Insurance!!!

I'm not sure you, I or we would actually believe how much Banks, Wall Street, Private Health Insurance Corporations {and the drug companies too btw} EXTRACT and fleece from The US 99%!!

The Fundamental Problem [imo] is that your deMOCKERYcy has been taken over by Greedy Parasites, Oligarchs & Corporations, as the demoCRAZY Duopoly has sold y'all way down the river for generations!

So I get why you do not trust the USG but the solution is to Struggle & Organize & Retake It ... NOT do away with it such that those who actually all but own it already, can make TOTALfknWhoopeee with NO restrictions, checks, balances or legal redress! That's EXACTLY what The Mthtfkrs Want if you ask me!

Pls. beware Ronnie Raygun's ... ''Government Is Not Part Of The Problem; Government IS The Problem'' Corporate Double Speak Invitation To Fascism! I get what the arguments are to say otherwise re. Govt.- but I have the perspective that so much of US Quasi-Fascism started right here w/ The Powell Memo:

audaces fortuna juvat ...

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

If you can point me to a time when it actually WAS owned by the people, I'd be happy to maybe give it a whirl.

I just don't see a time when that existed.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

I can't do that! I am an idealist who believes that compassion and reason & some ''Love, Light & Logic''.. can actually guide reasonable people to make Utilitarian decisions, for the greatest good for the greatest number! There are Different Degrees of Democracy Deficits, in almost every country on earth (possibly excepting Iceland!) so we look back only to help learn lessons to help us, The 99% move forward. + Fyi:

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

As per Social Security and Bernie Sanders etc. .. please do try to carefully consider:

fiat lux ...

[-] -1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Re.Bernie Sanders & Lewis Powell, I really do have to ask you to compare and contrast these two links:

Tho you owe me no reply/explanation, I ask you to consider which is for The 99% & which The 0.01%?!!! Yes - it's a rhetorical question but - it also goes directly to the heart of what is at stake for The US 99%!! The''Powell Memo''goes right to the heart of Oligarchic Corporatocracy,imo. HappyNY @u & yours turbo!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

write In NO WAR on your ballot

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Tuition free education, but it's still crap.

Congrats, you dont have the $149 a month bill after you are done. But you still didn't learn much at all, so where are you now?

Democratic Socialism means that government does whatever it takes to get to 0 UE. Someone remind this lunatic that if we werent spending a trillion dollars a year on the war machine the roads and bridges would look incredible.

[-] 3 points by Viking (417) 2 years ago

We can't blame the academic world solely for the dumbing down of the populace. The corporate owned media, and the corrupt elite deserve admonishment too.

At least these young people received some justice for their shitty education. Kudos to the activists in that little old OWS affinity group, Strike Debt who worked hard on this.

Strike Debt Victory: Debt Relief For Corinthian Students


[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22885) 2 years ago

In a free market, all you get is exploitation. Democratic socialism is a way to prevent that exploitation. It ensures the distribution of wealth in a way that everyone has what they need instead of a few having the riches of the gods while millions suffer. 85 people have as much wealth as the bottom half of humanity. That is 3.5 billion people. The economy as it is is not working for the masses of people. No where in our constitution does it say we have to have a free market capitalist economy.

Watch Bernie's speech at Georgetown University where he explains what democratic socialism really is.


And, a quote from Guy Alperowitz from:


"As Alperovitz explains, "What most people think of as socialism is that, with socialism, ownership of wealth and power is traditionally concentrated within the state and its national government. The vision that’s emerging in these experiments around the country is anathema to that. It begins in neighborhoods and communities, in cities and states. It’s about decentralizing power, changing the flow of power to localities rather than to the center."

Less centralized government. Even conservative Republicans should like that."

And yep, ending the military expenses would be a huge factor in providing the resources for much of the costs to provide people with what they need. But, in the end, it would all just work out once the economy had more even income distribution because people would have more disposable income. And, in relation to healthcare, as soon as you put the young and the healthy in it, the whole thing becomes cheaper per capita.

It's a matter of what we want in this country. Do we all want to be angry and hateful toward each other because we think we're paying for this or for that? Or, do we want a country where everyone has enough and you can still get rich if that is important to a person? Democratic socialism doesn't cap income. And, we pay plenty of tax here that we don't get very much for except for the production of bombs and grandparents that can't pay for their own medicine.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Gars and Bernie's visions are dramatically different, with Gar putting an emphasis on decentralization and bernie basically wanting to nationalize everything.

Government bombing people is a direct result of the people continuing to elect the two war parties.

As for the medicine, the gov is protecting big pharma with their bullshit laws nonsense, otherwise all that stuff would be next to nothing at this point.

I'm a fan of people innovating, because innovation is what has taken us from cave dwellers to this. Power hungry lunatics getting too much power has always been an issue.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22885) 2 years ago

Bernie is not calling for nationalizing anything. And, woe is me as a real socialist, lol. I wish he was calling to nationalize a. the banks and b. the utility companies. Okay, medicare is kind of a national program, but not really, because private companies provide the healthcare. Free education sounds radical, but public colleges and universities were free or very low cost, not all that long ago.

Bernie is looking to implement programs that can work pretty quickly because, frankly, the suffering is great. He wants to regulate Wall Street and greed by increasing taxes on Wall Street and wages to employees and by decreasing the average Americans' dependence on debt. That's not nationalizing, that's sensible. And, if those things were to happen and allow people to live their lives, not in debt, but in a sustaining way, gee, I think that would be great.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

when the wealthy own most of the property

adjusting tax laws so the government "is allowed" to pay to get more work down for people

isn't going to change that or the system

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I meant he wants to dictate everything from the national level on down to the local, not vice versa like Gar.

Imo real socialism is worker owned, decentralized management and operation, like what Gar talks about.

Bernie wants a federal government logistical nightmare that honestly I know for a fact is going to be impossible to manage in a nation with 330 million unique individuals in it.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22885) 2 years ago

I think that if you take healthcare, for instance, it becomes much more streamlined if you have single payer, universal and non-profit delivery of services. I also think that the same thing goes for education. It is so complex right now, applying for aid, the administration of loans, the money that goes to the schools or doesn't go to the schools and blah blah. It should be streamlined. Just because we are a big country doesn't mean we should tolerate bad benefits and services considering what we pay in. Get rid of toll roads for instance. What a friggin' waste of time and effort. Put people to work building infrastructure. Quit building weapons and do positive things with the money that we have in abundance in this country. Not to mention a few labor laws to protect workers from being fired for no reason and from earning low pay that they cannot live on. Human beings need to be able to live. That is first and foremost. Corporations and their profit should be second.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

"Quit building weapons and do positive things with the money that we have in abundance in this country"

Thats the trillion dollar item right there. And until that stops, nothing else will matter to these lunatics.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22885) 2 years ago


[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

People are not truly free when they cannot feed their families.

He's right. So whats the solution? What is going to force another group of people to do - or pick a winner that the gov partners with- to solve this?

We could all band together now and feed everyone easily if we wanted, but we don't. Why is that?

What the hell does Bernie thinks is going to happen when the government partners will all of these massive private companies to provide to 330 million people?

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Meh, Bernie is kind of a hack when it comes to the economy and how to innovate, etc.

"The right of every business to function in an atmosphere without monopolies... " What the hell does he think happens when you get the Feds picking winners and losers as part of their job. Take a look around Bernie.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33540) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What? You think the only thing needs breaking up are the too big to fail Banks?

Seems like YOU are the one who needs to wake up and then review what Bernie is presenting to THE PEOPLE !

WTFU Shit for brains.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I understand what he wants. He wants a formal partnership between corporate and gov.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33540) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wrong OH Brain Dead One - Bernie wants a government that is ACTUALLY formed to represent The People = ALL OF THE PEOPLE. This would of course involve the PEOPLE'S government FULLY regulating ALL INDUSTRY!

Uniformity of rule = PEOPLE running government and industry for the benefit OF ALL.


[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Lol stop electing war criminal sociopaths and maybe I could take your "PEOPLE running government" comment seriously.

You cant even vote responsibly. Now you are going to regulate your local community?

Whats first? Take the resources and invade a foreign nation? Because thats the decision you make with your minuscule amount of power you currently have.