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Forum Post: Teabaggers Embarrass America Again

Posted 2 years ago on April 10, 2012, 12:12 p.m. EST by shooz (26725)
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This kind of lunacy makes the front page in Australia, Barely a blip on the radar of the American free(sic) press.

Tell me again, how we have liberal press.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/fight-to-stop-creationism-in-schools-20120410-1wn1l.html

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[-] 6 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

My sister has taught middle school science and been called to office by the principle over the evolution lessons as students have their parents call and complain when she tells them they must learn about evolution so they can properly answer the test questions on the yearly given CRCT to measure what they have learned in class. It is sad. The south is poor and religious and voting republican because they believe its "What Jesus would do!" Its so sad. Churches and groups try to be more better Christians than one another and do some harebrained things. But the republican party taking advantage of them like they do is really sad. These are poor people who need the programs they feel like they will go to Hell if they support because of the polarization induced by the two parties. Christian are trying to do the right thing, they just want be good people and they are being lied to and ill used for votes that effectively slit their own throats. Ignorance does seem to be right up there with cleanliness in being thought to be right next to Godliness.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

Romney calling the military "volunteer" the next greatest generation is disturbing

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

Ironically, Jesus was hung on a cross for not doing what the republicans would have wanted him to do. Christians should heed the words of Jesus that we are to seek the truth and question and not follow or choose in blind faith. The devil always wears sheep's clothing and if one is not able to question the motives of others, then how can they know if they are aligning with what is right or wrong?

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[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

My family is from east GA, Alabama too. I also live in a Bible belt too in VA. So, I can totally relate to your description. My neighbors are always asking if I'm Saved because I hang Tibetan peace flags on my porch ...hahahha
It's a durn shame how so many preachers and TV evangelists have preyed on the those who struggle the most. But, it's not just the southern Baptists and Methodists, etc... ALL the churches do this today and more and more have become corporate industries and I mean that literally. Most are now incorporating and telling their congregations its for insurance purposes but it's really because they want to create more profit for share holders. It's disgraceful and reminds me of the Romans.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

One should never eat the fruit from the tree knowledge?

It's mostly just plain sad, and the teabaggers are just taking advantage of it to further split our Nation.

[-] 1 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

For some reason the people at church leave impressionable young people believing science is evil. They believe it contradicts their creation story and is therefore evil because every word of the Bible is a fact. They refuse to understand that the Bible was written by men for men and not handed to men by God himself.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

What church have you been attending?

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I do not attend Church. I am the single parent of a disabled child who can not see her personal needs. My Sunday's are spending the day with her natural father so he may see his children on the only day off the market allows them to have together. He does not feel it is appropriate for him to be the one to aid her in dressing and changing pads or putting on a bra or drying her off after her shower. Many parents of autistic kids find themselves isolated from social activities like attending church. It is not a sign they are bad Christians, or do not love God. You only asked for information on a particular Church that I attend. My own community church does not do these things. It is a Methodist church that focuses a lot on being a good Christian by doing good works. However, here there is a church on every street corner, each and every one of them being led by different preachers, preaching different standards and ever increasing diverse combination of beliefs. If you believe it, chances are you can find a preacher who agrees with you! Some of the churches that have engaged in book burn, the burning of CD's forbidding dungeons and dragon, Harry Potter, Disney movies are passing themselves off as Baptists, Methodist, Pentecostal, Primitive Baptist. It doesn't matter who they send membership dues to or whose name is on the sign, the preachers feel free to lead their flocks as they please. Many do not even pay dues to the organization they claim to be a member church of. I encounter these people in the community, they were my classmates, friends and neighbors. I have attended Pentecostal churches, Baptist and Primitive Baptist churches, Methodist churches, the Salvation Army Church all with friends or family who were members. I was invited to the churches who were burning burning records, tapes and the like during membership drives. I avoided these churches and did not go see this happen first hand. They did not fall into one category, they called themselves by names of accepted types of churches in our community. I would simply refuse to attend such a church or membership drive or revival. When I was in school churches of all manner had revivals, many at least once a year where people went to get saved and engage in some of the activities I've listed. That it was a revival didn't mean they would be burning books for sure but the chances were quite good you'd see it if you went.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

I'm sorry. I attended a Methodist church in Ohio. It was pretty liberal. Where do you live?

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

Southeast Georgia. The Methodists as whole around here have higher standers set for actual behavior. Baptist around seem to need a bit more forgiving and being "saved" in general. All it seems to take to take church from a regular church to one that is cult-like is the right preacher. My aunt had to leave her church because the congregation was moving too far into the realm of zealotry but up until that point it had been fine and suddenly it started going off the rails. It became not just a church but a church that promoted the type of beliefs held by fans of the far right.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

I spent a week in Valdosta during the summer of '85. I had a buddy who was a pilot at Moody AFB. Yankee hippies were not welcomed at that time. Neither were Yankee pilots

I understand what you are talking about now. I was telling a friend how funny it is that a socially- liberal Republican (me) can agree with a southern conservative on so many issues. A northern Republican would never had agreed with a southern conservative during the '70s

[-] 3 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I use to vote democrat, but I got burned too bad by Clinton. Many things I believe in politically are considered very liberal. I don't support taking away guns. I think feminism needs to include housewives, the belief that farm work is degrading needs to change, let gays get married, let women who were date raped or know the child will be crippled have that abortion if they want to. Sounds so liberal but then I personally endorse talking in tongues as a real phenomenon, am a Christian, and I think its okay for women to stay home and raise kids. So I guess I'm somewhat of a mixed bag. I don't believe it counts too much with God if you are good and doing the right things only because it is a law. I believe God wants us to be free first and for most. God does not bend us to His will and He easily could, we should not put ourselves in the business of bending other to His will by removing their options.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Thank you for the information. You seem like a very fair, open-mined person. Most of the radicals here have no use for other people's opinions.

[-] 3 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

Well, I don't think the two party system is serving anyone very well. Its like you must swallow the full package regardless of how you feel on each issue separately. The issues themselves are divided up in a random way just to keep the races close. I feel like I don't see enough liberal Christians in in general. Saying you are one makes people look at you funny. Like saying "I am a republican but liberal." The parties certainly aren't meeting people's needs. Its hard to get over republican or democrat labels and ideologies to really set aside loyalties and look at what would serve the most people in the best way. I think Christians should be served but they shouldn't be forced to go along with things they disagree with to get served all the time. How about the Christian family on food stamps who votes against social programs because they don't wish to support abortion? The hypocrisy of the situation is ludicrous and yet there they are, forced to choose.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

I'm not a Christian, by the way. In fact, I haven't been in a church for 12 years.

What about a Christian family on food stamps? Half the damn population is on food stamps. Should only democrats be able to get food stamps?

I don't see the hypocrisy. You have democrats who want money from the "government", and republicans who want to stop spending. Where's the hypocrisy?

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

There absolutely is hypocrisy. If you don't want to kill any babies but you want to arm yourself with guns because you don't believe those babies will in any kind of way be raised up right, and you want to execute prisoners or kill doctors who perform abortions you are the worst kind of hypocrite! A Christian whose simply believes in preserving the sanctity of life is left between a rock and hard place by both parties. Support economic policies you don't like and that don't serve you or rot in Hell they are being told. They actually believe God has souls sitting around the womb waiting to be miscarried or aborted so they will suffer because suddenly they believe He is a fool who can be tricked, deceived or thwarted! Its absolutely ludicrous but fools believe their preachers and politicians. Hypocrisy is Hypocrisy. Taking money with one hand, and voting to be cut off with the other is the ultimate hypocrisy and many Christians are living the dream baby!

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Thespian? You don't think you're being wildly over-dramatic?

Of course not, you seem to have a classic Lincoln Complex.

Hail farr shooz, reckon we should have a really bloody and gritty civil war over them gawddam republican zealots splitting your perception of your nation?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

It's in the Bible....dip.

This just continues to prove the thread on the fact that conse(R)vatives employ lazy thinking as correct.

The only zealots, are the teabaggers fighting against truth.

[-] -1 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 2 years ago

What truth are they fighting?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I'm sorry, that was 5 days ago, I lst my train of thought.

Why don't help me out, and tell me what those POS teabaggers are good for.

that would be much easier anyway.

[-] -1 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 2 years ago

The tea party is the same thing as the OWS. They're american citizens who don't like the country the status quo is making for them. The status quo being the republican and democratic establishment.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Then why did they raise my taxes? Why are they wasting precious time of idiotic legislation?

Why do push so hard to maintain the status quo?

Moreover, why did they become even more repelling than the original (R)epelican'ts?

Teabaggers are shit!!

[-] -1 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 2 years ago

You have a problem with the tea party raising your taxes? Obama is running his reelection campaign on tax raises. Get a clue dude.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Teabaggers already raised my taxes, and what the HELL was TEA supposed to stand for?

LIARS!!!!!

Plus all the idiotic legislation mentioned in this thread and others.

What the fuck good are they?

No funkin' good at all. They even look stupid in those costumes.

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

You will have to forgive shooz he is incapable of anything but hate, if you disagree with him. I'm not sure if he's impaired in some way or has had brain trauma but he is the way he is. Just take what he says with a grain of salt.

[-] -2 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Are you serious? I think our King Obama is doing a wonderful job on his own of dividing our country. A few examples: Catholic vs. non-Catholic Women vs. Men Black vs. White Rich vs. Poor Public Employee vs. Private Sector Smart People vs. Republicans

Talk about splitting the nation!

[-] 0 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Was that supposed to be concise response to something?

It wasn't. It wasn't even on point.

Perhaps at this time it would be prudent to coin a new term. A new meme.

Dumb as a Tennessee teabagger.

http://www.amplifyyourvoice.org/u/nikki_liz/2012/4/5/Tennessee-Sex-Ed-Bill-Compares-HuggingKissingHandholding-to-Gateway-Drugs

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

You are an angry person, shooz! You've failed in some aspect of your life and now you want to take it out on successful people.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Another off point posting?

Tell me how that Tennessee teabagger bill isn't a dumb waste of time and effort?

The only actual provable failure, is you failing to hold focus

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Must focus...must focus...

I personally believe that the people of Tennessee should be able to pass their own laws. Yes, I think it is ridiculous too, but who the hell are you to tell them what is right?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Who needs a constitution, except when you do , eh?

It's OK when a (R)eplelican't pees on it, as long as they drink the tea?

The teabaggers are bunch of mad hatters..

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

You really need to come up with something better than that. It's pathetic.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

OK. You must be dumb as a Tennessee teabagger, and that's pretty dumb.

Don't take a course in geology, you'll fail.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Good 'ol rocky top, rock top Tennessee.........

[-] -1 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 2 years ago

What's better, pissing on the constitution? Or just burning it like you dim witted Libs?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Tossin' it in a trash can, like the Boston police department did to the Flag.

Or ripping it "right" up like Reagan and Bush did.

Or buying off judges to "re-interpret" it.

Or thinkin' Mr. P is a constitutional scholar. You might as well burn it, they alerady did.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Republicans taking advantage of poor, ignorant people? I believe the Democrat party was founded on the principal of lying to poor ignorant people. Obviously you took the bait.

[-] 3 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

There is no Democrat party. There is a Democratic party. Is that what you were trying to refer to? You don't seem to know much of the history of political parties. Were you one of the ignorant people that someone lied to?

Which party's Representatives have been consistently voting against the positions of their constituents and shown in polls (Over the last couple of years)?

Clue: Google some polls, check the majority positions of that party and compare that with voting records(Issues like Medicare, tax the rich, oil company subsidies). Interesting! Poor ignorant people in that party shouldn't be represented? Gotta wonder why they would elect such people who work against their interests. But that is the poor and ignorant for you.

That party was for the end to slavery, and the right of blacks to vote and full equality, but they changed their minds and invented Jim Crow laws instead, then they expected the blacks to vote for them. Didn't work. They were poor but not that ignorant. Now they are taking birth control from women, taking back equal pay for equal work, taking the source for health services for millions of women and he expect them to vote for them. Not that poor or that ignorant.

You have a pretty strong case there, do you believe it? Does your wife know you are voting for them?

[-] -2 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

No, it is actually called the Democrat Party. You use the -ic when you are referring to the party. Like I said, it is the party of the ignorant.

It's really amazing to me that people like you express yourselves in a public forum. I would be too embarrassed to say anything if I was as poorly-educated as you. I encourage you to read up on American history, world history, and political science. Maybe "Google" isn't the best way to really learn about a subject. I would suggest attending a university.

Yes, it is so easy to blame oil companies, rich people, and capitalism for one's personal failures. It's just a shame that so many of you can't separate your personal shortcomings from what is good for our country as a whole.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

No, it's actually called the Democratic Party. Democrat Party is a form of insult and exposure of ignorance paraded by by Repelicans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_%28phrase%29

""Use of the term has been a point of contention within the Republican Party. In 1984, when a delegate of the Republican platform committee asked unanimous consent to change a platform amendment to read the Democrat Party instead of Democratic Party, Representative Jack Kemp objected, saying that would be "an insult to our Democratic friends" and the committee dropped the proposal.[3] In 1996, the wording throughout the Republican party platform was changed from "Democratic Party" to "Democrat Party": Republican leaders " explained they wanted to make the subtle point that the Democratic Party had become elitist".[18] A proposal to use the term again in the August 2008 Republican Platform for similar reasons was voted down with leaders choosing to use "Democratic Party". "We probably should use what the actual name is," said Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, the panel's chairman. "At least in writing."[18"

You are much too easily amazed for a grown up, especially one who hints at some past association with a University (which obviously failed to teach you sentence structure. Maybe if you googled "how to diagram a sentence"?) Stay calm your ignorance is, in fact curable.

It is so easy to blame oils companies for their documented actions, certain rich people for theirs and capitalists for theirs. And they are quite independent of my personal success. Their merits, and lack thereof, are matters of public record.

Your own attributes and reputation on the other hand are still safely hidden (by the cowardly anonymity of an empty profile), except for the churlish ignorance and sophomoric posturing in your posts. What do you know of my personal failures, exactly zero.

It should be "the solutions for your personal failures from what is good for our country." Without the "solutions," the sentence is completely nonsensical.

You could practice by drafting a fable in which you could posit, "What is good for our country as a whole." We are so tired of comic books. http://www.democrats.org/about/our_party

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[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

No it doesn't. "America’s genius throughout has been its ability to renew our promise to provide citizens the opportunity for a better life—and though our own history isn’t perfect, the mission of the Democratic Party has been to make that promise a reality.

Founded more than 200 years ago, the Democratic Party was born in response to the idea that government should represent the people and that wealth and status should not be an entitlement to rule. "

Maybe you should learn how to read. The name of the party is the "Democratic Party." Its members call themselves "Democrats." The only time the term "Democrat" is used is as a singular pronoun. It is never used in conjunction with the word "Party."

So, where is your fable?

[-] -3 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

I stand by my assessment. You are an abject failure and obviously have too much time on your hands. 1500 posts is pure insanity.

I'm curious as to where you live and where you went to school.

[-] 2 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Mike In OHIO Your an obvious Troll because of these comments you made which do nothing but incite emotions since they are plain and simply insulting to anyone who receives them:

"You are an abject failure..."

"I would be too embarrassed to say anything if I was as poorly-educated as you"

"You've failed in some aspect of your life and now you want to take it out on successful people."

As most of here already know, when a poster resorts to such insults instead of relying on the evident truth and facts, it shows they have no argument to bolster their claim. What it does show is your trying to ram your opinions down our throats.

So how intelligent is that Mike?

The Puzzler

[-] 1 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

He won't answer. I think the light is too bright for him. Good one Puzzler.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Well, you really need to look at the pathology of many of the people who post here. Many of you are, in fact, losers who like to blame other people for your problems. Again, that is the foundation of liberal thinking- you have failed because some authority figure has denied you of what you are due. How about taking some personal responsibility?

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I find it funny that people like you only have name calling and goading of others as arguments. You sound like a child, you dirty, dirty poopy head. What do you think calling enough people names on this board will get them to change their minds? That may work with Conservatives, considering they are a bunch followers who never do their own research but jump on the nearest band wagon. Here, you're out of your league, boy. America is in decline and you are too hopped up on fairy tales to see the writing on the wall. It is quite sad actually. luckily if your delusional state begins to waver, you can always throw on the boop tube and be reinvigorated with more American exceptionalism.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

I don't think I have called anyone a poopy head. But that's a good one!

I'm sorry if you find differing opinions frightening and vicious. I hope that one day you figure out that there are educated people who don't agree with you.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Your ideas are not what i find contentious. Your tenacity to call those you disagree with "loosers" is where i find fault with your words. It is quite immature and does nothing positive for your case. Also, stop lying, you don't know educated people.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

It's "losers", by the way.

OK, I'll stop lying. I only know uneducated people. But that doesn't make your position any stronger.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Again, thanks for the head's up, it's not a word i write very often so I botched it, my bad.

[-] 0 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

It's a tough one!

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

lol

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 1 year ago

Do you get the official fact-finder Memo?

[-] 0 points by MikeInOhio (13) 1 year ago

I do not.

[-] 2 points by Puzzlin (2898) 1 year ago

Ok, at ease. We will have to see that you get one soon.

No need to worry. Minor adjustment.

Puzzled

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Coming to the OWS support site to troll would also qualify as pure insanity. There is no purpose to it other than to receive negative attention.

[-] 2 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Good observation epa1inter, I think for the trolls, it's all about ego. If someone feeds their ego and they somehow think now they have made a difference, they feel worthy. Generally, the difference is only in their own head. No one else here buys the crap. Especially when it's force fed to us.

Hey, the world is a little off, but we can stay on the side of evident truth. It's worth it and can fell good about that. Only the irresistible truth can really set us free and enlighten us. It is there we can find the best within us.

The Puzzler

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

I'm sorry, I'll leave now. It will be a great debate when everyone agrees with you.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

And what on God's green earth gave you the impression that this was a debating site? It is a support site for OWS, moron.

But glad to hear you're leaving now. (Probably just lying, though, as most right-wingers do.)

[-] 0 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 2 years ago

And Democrats always tell the truth! LOL

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

No, but Republicans DO always lie.

[-] 0 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 2 years ago

LOL yep, so do democrats. Always.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

You seem to get confused looking in the mirror.

Nice try attempting to change the subject, though. Seems like you don't understand what is so hilariously stupid about trolls, and jumped right up from under your bridge.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

In case you haven't noticed, people do debate various issues on this site. Calling people "liars" really doesn't serve any purpose

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

And trolling serves what purpose?

Yes, people debate, but that is not the purpose of this site, as you seem to believe. It is a SUPPORT site. Just because you have the company of other morons doesn't mean your coming here for "debate" is any more sane or appropriate.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

I'm sorry, your EPAness. Your "support" isn't working very well as this movement is dying on the vine.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Hahahaha!

And you somehow think you're idiocy has something to do with it?

Please, get a room in which to masturbate. It is unseemly in public.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

In order to defeat me you need to come up with some actual information. Calling me names really doesn't help your case.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

I don't need to defeat you. You are not that important.

You want actual information about why trolling is inappropriate? Hahahahaha!

Do you stroke with your right hand or left?

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Too late, you already jumped to unfounded conclusions and now you are curious? That is curious. Being retired in a home I own without a mortgage and no debts, at all, and enough to live well, if I don't live forever. I worked many years to have time on my hands. I am well educated, have been in all 50 states, lived in four time zones, visited 23 countries, some multiple times. I was an entrepreneur most of my life, started several companies and a few made it. My failures were useful to separate successes and to learn from.

I have been acquainted with many people who have affected history, rather than learn it in a lecture hall.

And I am in no need of lectures from you. Your assessment isn't worth spit. Insanity is representing yourself as something you are not and it is exposed when you shave. Go stand by your assessment. You deserve each other.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

It sounds to me like you are a part of the 1%.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

When you play entrepreneur you win some and you lose some, and you are often a target. I have been in the 1% on paper more than once. Now I am only a comfortable has been. But I have had fun, met many movers and shakers, and have no regrets.

But I am not a naive college drop out with no job. There are several of us old fossils that show up in this space. Never assume that you know someone's circumstances until you KNOW their circumstances.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

This is true. I too am one of those old fossils. But really, referring to yourself as a 'sage' in your username, just illustrates that you lost the plot before you started.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Well, I didn't do it exactly. I am guilty of having written a newspaper column for a small group of newspapers and then they wanted a blog so the first was called "Take Aim" and the latter was "brightonsage". It is one of those western puns we are infamous for. You know "sage" can be the first half of "sage brush." You can parse it "brightons age." My editor was too cute by half, as they say. And I am the victim of the plot, or maybe collateral damage.

I have also lost my glasses and my cell phone. Is your last name "Cash" or "Cache"?

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Interesting. I have a very similar story.

My problem with this whole movement, and people who espouse the radical liberal idea, is that most of it is absurd. Anyone who has lived more than 40 years, and has some life experience, knows this. I think it is dishonest to think otherwise.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

So most of an idea is absurd? What idea is this? What would say 60% of this idea looks like? Which part isn't absurd? I think it is dishonest, or myopic at best, and probably deliberately insulting for you to call me a radical liberal who is dishonest.

Movements attract wide ranges of people, especially grass roots ones who don't have a single source of ideology. It is much like the climate of our own revolution. Do you think their was any significant unanimity in it.

When you say "whole movement" you are generalizing way beyond the reality of what exists in fact. There is no one idea here, radical or otherwise. Having been here long enough to post (539) times, you should be aware of the diversity of issue positions expressed here. I have noted submissions by socialists, anarchists, oligarchists and of course, a number of right wing fascists and many shades of gray in between.

Maybe you have a stereotyping problem? You immediately jump to conclusions followed by character assassination. Maybe it is time for you to go somewhere else.

"It's really amazing to me that people like you express yourselves in a public forum. I would be too embarrassed to say anything if I was as poorly-educated as you. I encourage you to read up on American history, world history, and political science. Maybe "Google" isn't the best way to really learn about a subject. I would suggest attending a university.

Yes, it is so easy to blame oil companies, rich people, and capitalism for one's personal failures. It's just a shame that so many of you can't separate your personal shortcomings from what is good for our country as a whole." "I'm sorry, I'll leave now. It will be a great debate when everyone agrees with you.:

You said you would leave but you didn't. Did some one beg you to stay and contribute more of your erudite comments? For the civilized ones it isn't a debate. It is a conversation about solutions. Bye! (Now you can start over with a new alias, but sadly the same mind. "Interesting. I have a very similar story." Why don't you put your story in your "new" profile?)

[-] 0 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Take it as you may. I'm not going anywhere. Who would you chat with if I wasn't here? The guy who wants to do away with all debts?

I would be embarrassed. 95% of the people posting here are liberal wackos. Is it fun to chat with these people? I prefer an educated debate.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Cooll!!!!

That would make me even crazier!!!!!!!

Coming from a troll that reverses everything, that would make me one of the sanest people here!!!

Always remember my friend.

Ignorance is strength!!!!!!

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Power to the People!

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I'll talk to Geppetto. Maybe someday you can be a real boy instead of a puppet...............:)

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Why can't you see the other side? You're obviously a thoughtful person.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

What other side?

If you "see" some "other" side, you should see a doctor, an MD or something.

The "other" side is an artificial construct. Is that the one you believe you are on?

[-] 0 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Ok, you aren't thoughtful. You are paranoid.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I don't see these so called sides you think you see.

I'm not paranoid, I'm just sane.

You should try and stop thinking in metaphors.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

My diagnosis..............paranoid

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

You most certainly are.

Care to explain what this "side" is your talking about?

[-] 1 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

Everybody wants the votes of stupid people (there are more of them)! A two party system for freedom? The whole blasted thing was a racket and always has been! It couldn't be more plain. Worse with TV adds to be sure, but it was always a rigged game.

[-] 0 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Oh yes, everything is rigged against you. I love that mentality. If things were REALLY fair you would be a highly-successful, happy person (ie part of the 1%).

I thought King Obama was going to make everything perfect? You remember, hope and change.

Over 90% of high school dropouts vote Democrat. Ignorance is the foundation of the Democrat party

[-] 0 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Ignorance is the foundation of politics in general. There is no difference between the parties in reality, just a difference in rhetoric. The lobby's control our Congress.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

You believe that, if you like, but I refuse to accept that notion. You don't accept it either as you choose to express your opinion here.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

I believe that OWS stands for eliminating the corruption that business has in government. That is why I express my opinions here. I believe both parties have the same political machine running them, are financed by the same groups more or less, and neither represents me or my interests, that my vote does not count when corporations money and influence counts more. Don't tell me what I believe or don't believe in.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

This movement has had an impact of our political system and, thus, your voice has been heard. I think there are many people in Congress who represent your way of thinking, don't you?

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

I don't believe that the movement has had an impact on our political system yet. And as far as Congress goes, not a single one represents me.

My voice hasn't been heard loud enough yet. The DNC in Charlotte is coming soon.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

I think our government has clearly heard from this movement.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

.... and their response has been what exactly?

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

We will see in the fall.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Or we can see right now....... with local city governments passing laws banning the use of tents in parks, scraves on faces, use of backpacks in downtown areas, and not granting permits for peaceful assembly.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

You're smokin' crack. This "movement" is as dead as a doornail.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Is that why you troll here?

[-] -3 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

YEEEEE HAW!

I wish I could agree that Republicans have any better track record as far as legislating for the greater good and that off The People.

[-] -2 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

I have my banjo on my knee. I'm fixin' to play Rocky Top.

Is the greater good of the people served by endless deficit spending on unsustainable social programs? Yes, it may be good for you and me, but it won't be good for our children and grandchildren.

I guess that's the difference. Do you selfishly demand money for yourself, or do you accept necessary austerity?

[-] 3 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Oh, that's right. It was unsustainable social programs that crashed the economy, not unregulated bankers. And I've got a bridge to sell.

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Ever heard of Fannie and Freddie? Ever heard of government mortgage insurance?

rocky top tennessee....

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Ever read the actual reports on Fannie and Freddie? They contributed almost nothing to the crash. It was Wall Street, pure and simple.

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[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Yeah, all you prosperous and wealthy northerners do owe it to the rest of the planet to spread more of their righteous superiority as thin as you possibly can. Northerners ALL are model inhabitants of this continent and have been exemplary in their wise decisions regarding everything, especially utilization of mother earth.

On behalf of southerners, I'll apologize to you for our pathetic poverty, ignorance, uncleanliness and inability to think outside our Republican masters boxes.

I'll also rightfully thank you profusely for cleaning up your flammable and toxic northern rivers that run through our back yards.

If that doesn't satisfy you, perhaps I'll offer to buy your papers the next time I get bored and want a risky investment.

Just peck in your abstract numbers off your BC and SSI card if you'd like a kinder and gentler new owner.

[-] 4 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I'm from the south, I'll talk about my neighbors and the other half of my family as I please. As will they about me! Its not a dig at the south. I'm from Southeast Georgia. I live down here, I was born down here. I don't agree with what some of the churches are peddling around here. I'm just as Christian as they are, I just wouldn't be caught dead watching Fox news, that's all I'm saying.

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Gee, I was hatched up north and fortunately uprooted and transplanted to good lawds country soon enough to know anyone choosing to live like Eskimos should receive very little sympathy for their chosen geographical retardation.

However, I did manage to obtain an education while learning to be open minded. I was certain I read you imply southerners were all unclean, ignorant, poor and religious zealots.

The Commonwealth of Georgia, lived there on St Simons, nice place to visit but far too much oppressive nazi rule for me.

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I implied many are very clean and very ignorant. Cleanliness is next to Godliness and as we all know Ignorance is Bliss!

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

No Southerners have the same amount of gifted children as northerners. There is a difference in innate intelligence and simple ignorance. Many of our teens believe that science is the devil because it contradicts the Bible. They are not usually the gifted class, they think they must reject and avoid all knowledge that they believe conflicts with their Bible, and sometimes avoid socializing with people who do not go to church with them because they believe if there is a difference in belief, the other people are always wrong and not as good of a Christian as they are. This is selective ignorance and it affects them in many ways. Most out grow this faze but some do not. Many people in the south are normal, rational people who can enjoy a good documentary or read a book, even Harry Potter. However, lucky me my ex's neighbor's kids think Harry Potter is the devil, and Halloween is the devil and I heard from their father's cousin that also lives next door, that their mother has taken to homeschooling them and anointing them daily. I asked her if it seemed to be working as we kinda classify some of those kids as problem children. She laughed and said, doesn't seem to be!

[-] 3 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I'd like to add that when I was in school, the local churches would have drives to "save" people. Books were burned, heavy metal albums were burned, dungeons and dragons was the devil etc. Now, when this is the cool weekend activity for teens in the church what exactly was I suppose to think about them? It wasn't just one of the churches doing this crap. I could talk about the church where the girls only wore modest skirts and dresses and the preacher was marring his daughters off before they got out of high school (Perhaps because the trailer was full?) Normal smart people in the south find all these an inescapable part of the culture of the south. Some of the gifted kids who plan to move away and stay very much dislike rednecks and zealots. Those of us who decide to stay because the weather is nice and we don't mind eat the occasional squirrel or deer have to accept our neighbors, God love and forgive them. That the worst, most closed minded vote republican and dutifully watch Fox News to be misinformed properly or care what the head of the Baptist leaders have to say about a candidate is repugnant to the those among us who are more liberal in our ideals and values. Open-minded republicans are as rare here as three-eyed cats! Just saying.

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipper_Gore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Whitehouse#.22Clean_Up_TV.22_campaign_and_the_NVALA

Yet still, your over-generalizing bothers you not in the least.

I'm neither D or R and quite open minded to most all perspectives.

However, when it comes to creationism vs evolution, I've seen enough evidence to be quite convinced that whole story hasn't unfolded and anyone certain that it has, can't be open minded while ignoring plenty of compelling facts brought to light in the last 50 years.

I don't expect my view points to "faze" you in the least, either.

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

Nope. I don't mind that you are bothered. I lived and worked in Mass. for awhile. I realize first hand that as a southerner I was offered lower wages and positions. I understand how many northerners view southerners. Perhaps you do as well and it makes you more sensitive than I am about it. Southerners have good points and bad points. I don't play at being politically correct. I will not hide my crazy relatives in a closet and put on a cute show for the tourists about how progressive the south is. I won't go threw life pretending not to see the polka-dotted elephant sitting in the room. If you are going to live in the south you are going to have to live with the fact that the rest of the country will stereotype you and you have no further to look than your own kinfolks and neighbors for perfect examples for why such stereotypes exist in the first place!!!

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

As a southerner the same people that are grounds for stereotyping also add color, flavor, diversity and provide endless hours of entertainment to the rest of us. We are more likely to show them off than to hide them cause they are our very own. I saw a snowman made out of tires stacked up and spray painted white with metal pipes for arms. It never snows here. Points for ingenuity! I took pictures! What's not to like?

[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Did you note that those in the first two links were not republicans?

Not that I give a damn.... just pointing out how inconsistent you bi-party baiters will always be.

[-] 3 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

Live a little, Laugh a little. Take it easy. If your gonna hang around down here take that corncob out your ass! You call it baiting, I call it moving along the conversation!

[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

This coming from a lil daddy's girl not even capable of feeding herself?

Believe me, I laugh every day about lots of things, and frequently about the idiocy demonstrated by many on this forum.

btw.... see if you can make it "threw" some remedial English classes and this time try to get "fazed".

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

You understood me. My English is good enough. A southern woman who has to feed herself is a sad creature. My mama always said not to do nothing you can get a man to for you for free! Daddy kills them (His land, his deer, his gun), I help clean them (Its not required but but its nice give daddy someone to talk to while while he's at it. I also walk with him and talk while he's out feeding up. Its just being friendly and sociable) and I'm the best cook! I can shoot as good as anybody, I just never bothered to buy a gun of my own. If a woman can cook it, she don't have to ever kill it unless she wants to. I don't believe you know jack about our culture down here. Here's more bait, even for a Yankee you seem uptight!

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

lol, Thank you, I needed the laugh.

[-] 1 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I do try! :)

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

That is funny stuff!

I love it and suspect I'd enjoy sipping a few sarsaparillas with this gem.

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

Thanks! really southerners embrace many popular stereotypes. It is fun. When I worked up North they seemed to think you could not do good a job and laugh and joke too. I tried to explain to them they were not paying me enough to steal my joy as well as my time. They found this idea quite foreign. My joy was not stolen by low wages or hard work. I seemed to believe that being grossly underpaid and overworked meant I had to be happy while I was at it. They adopted a very overly serious demeanor they believed to be a sign of a strong work ethic. They just could not understand that for those wages I would not adopt that demeanor. It was only a retail sales position, not an office and I wasn't an accountant??? There are difference between people and they are fun and entertaining. Being politically correct just sucks the color and joy right out of life.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

where did you get your phd if I may ask?

[-] 2 points by calliope (25) 2 years ago

troll

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

What are you talking about? That was well written and funny. She was talking in generalities, and he retorted. I would hope his funny comment would have enlightened JadedGem to the fact that generalities cut both ways.

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I don't mind, there liberal democrats running around arguing with the fox news views down here too! Families can be a good mix of people too all with opposing views. We have urban areas we have all kinds of people around here. I don't mind it. We could talk about how factories in the north will pay workers union wages and open sister factories paying crap wages so they can afford that union factory in the north. We can look at when the whole factory moves here cause their ain't a union to bust up. We could talk about how northerners recognize that people have value and still expect to be treated better by corporations and how the south is so use to getting the shaft, they really have low expectations at this point! lol All good things to talk about. Why not?

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Sounds good to me. I enjoy having those same types of conversations myself. It's good for the soul, or maybe it's the brain, who knows.

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

yeah! I don't mind to people who think different from me if the conversation is good. And by that I mean not just meanness or empty rhetoric. The truth is its gonna take us all coming together avert or simply survive what the bankers and corporations are setting us up for. I'd be scared to death if I lived in a big city of an economic collapse. Down here in the south, my daddy has land and can shoot me a deer or we can catch fish, I know we won't starve. Honestly, I might not have AC and that will suck, but we ain't gonna starve.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I've been a survivor my whole life so if it happens it might be interesting, If it don't, oh well, back to work. I made up my mind awhile ago. When you live in a society where bull shit is constantly swung, It's not too wise to take any of it too seriously. But hey, who knows, maybe that'll be my greatest mistake.

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

You are? Do you have a face like a cabbage patch doll?

Really though, all in the south are filthy, poor, ignorant and only a few clicks above a red ass baboon, just like JadedGem implies.

Hell, we're even too stupid to know that anyone with good sense MUST live in filthy over-industrialized regions of frozen hades.

Keep the light on for us.

[-] 4 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

Okay, I'll concede my republican family members are not stupid. Its a good con what with Fox news hitting them with misinformation all the time and them rushing to tune in. Some people who are republicans down here are in it for the guns more than saving any babies. Lets get real. Sometimes it is the big issues having a LOT of merit. ( I voted democrat so long as Daddy as sent money to the NRA!!!) But by in large they don't read material from both sides or seek out anyone to talk to who might have a different opinion. By in large they are on the Fox fantasy train for better or worser

[-] 2 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

"Monkey Bill" could be a zany and whimsical muppet.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

It would be funny, if it weren't so embarrassing.

The embarrassment grows on an almost daily basis.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/republican-cranks-and-crazies-the-biggest-threat-to-global-economy-swan-20120921-26aos.html

[-] 1 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Bravo to him for that statement! Too bad the Dems don't use that language.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

I love the statement from an Irish President, when he called the teabagge(R)s "wankers, whipping up fear".

It's all too accurate.............:)

[-] 2 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 1 year ago

They are confused soul

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Just when you thought they might have come to their senses, I find this report from Scotland.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/loch-ness-monster-cited-by-us-schools-as-evidence-that-evolution-is-myth-1-2373903

Now you really have to ask yourself, where is that thrashy fellow now?

It seems the REAL conspiracy theory is being perped by the "right" wing.

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 1 year ago

It's amazing how biased people can and do get. Once there, they ignore any facts or truth which could potentially upheld their biased mythical beliefs.

Religion then becomes a wall to hide behind as it touts faith over reason.

For those who found these truths, it says much about what most folks will do when heavily emotionally driven. We see examples every day as these high fluted emotions drive people to do all kinds of harm up to and including murder and torture.

Just

Puzzlin

[-] -1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

More amazing is how desperate they get to protect beliefs.

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 1 year ago

It is. They shutter before the truth. It's as if they sense the truth is there lurking which only pushes their emotions even harder as their weak belief system is easily assaulted.

Debate is never a healthy pursuit for those who hold misguided beliefs which are easily beaten down when the truth finds fertile ground. Beliefs are more fragile as they move further away from the truth. When these myths are under attack, the reactions of the defenders are a clear tell-tale of how far afield they've gone. When they instantly explode or go into deep shock you will know they stand on troubled ground.

Good Day Shooz!!! We found a good path.

The Puzzler

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Nessie proves creationism is REAL!

Of course they haven't actually found Nessie yet, but good enough for religious work..

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 1 year ago

It is amazing stuff. I guess really the old addage fits perfectly here: Talk is Cheap!

People do say just about anything, but doesn't make it true. And there's their big problem again staring them down----> The TRUTH

They wouldn't know it if it hit them square between the eyes. It usually helps when one knows how to discern the truth. Evidence would be a good starting point but, again, some just skip that step, go straight for the supernatural answers since those are so adaptable and require no experience, only fantasy intermingled with misplaced faith.

The Puzzler

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Now watch them go bonkers over the ACA.

[-] 3 points by Puzzlin (2898) 1 year ago

It like that blue light that attracts all the insects, they fly towards the light, and there's the zzz zzz zzz sound, like a doorbell, of sure register as they enter the domain of following one's compulsion even if it seems counter-intuitive.

This time I think we will notice that they will be much more clown-like than those dog eat dog daze of 2010. The TeePee may even have one more dance on the right wing nut stage.

Puzzlin

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

They're at it again in Tennessee.

They've now introduced another anti-free speech bill, into their school system.

The " Don't say gay" bill.

If we don't mention it, it will go away?

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120418/NEWS0201/304170105/-Don-t-Say-Gay-bill-advances-House?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I guess evolution does sort of blow the story out of the water, at least logically speaking (but I guess that depends on the definition of logic, which of course theologians change every time new science emerges). Ahhh, anyway .... :)

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Yeppers, and geology and astro psychics and anthropology and..............................................Whole civilizations of people and places, that never got a mention.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Right, but of course religion is a powerful thing; and I suspect until we build a time machine and cure death .... it will remain a powerful thing, so the best we can do is water it down with common sense (to the extent possible) :)

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I try, but these kinds of laws are going to make it more difficult.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Indeed, but we obviously haven't watered down "southern" religiosity nearly enough. I mean, if everyone were Episcopalians or Unitarians, religion would be great :)

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Or maybe Deists like the founding fathers..........:)

Fundamentalists of all sorts, have such rigid thinking.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Indeed, I've never heard of a deist suicide bomber or abortion doctor killer :)

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

They write constitutions that include a separation of church and state.

It was supposed to prevent these kind of laws.

[-] 2 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Once again, conservatives (GOP) prove their disdain for science! Science holds the most important key we have, the evident truth, and they have to turn their backs because it doesn't agree with their mythology.

Where is the Evident Truth? Clearly on the side of science. So they do this out of fear of the truth. They do not want to know the truth. In fact, their position of creationism demands that the evident truth be ignored. This crap dos not belong in a science class. What backward people!!!

Is this really the 21st century???

The Puzzler

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Real (R)epelican'ts don't need no damn science, it gets in the way of passing idiotic legislation.

I would have to guess they are still in the 19th century.

[-] 2 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

So true. Those who lie don't particularly like those of us who are rational and point to science as one mankind's greatest achievements. Prayer did not propel the rocket ship which landed a man on the moon.

The Puzzler

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 2 years ago

Yanno. If you really believe that creationism meets the criteria of a theory and you attended a public school, go to your fourth grade teacher and let them smack you upside the head with a text book. This type of ignorance can be understandable if you were home schooled or attended a private religious school.

Establishment clause. Learn it, live it, love it.

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[-] 2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Inherit the Wind all over again.

Given their way they'd bring us back to 1810.

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I haven't found the movie yet...........:(

All I know, is dumbing down all the kids, is the wrong way to go.

Unless of course you believe, "ignorance is strength".

[-] 2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

It's class war on ALL fronts. An under-educated, disorganized populace weakens US. When are we going to look up and recognize that our enemy is not us and fight back?

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

http://gocl.me/o11tVH, just for fun.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I promise, I'll find it and watch it soon.

FDR is one of the best we've ever had.............................:)

Those privileged few have tightened their their grip in the ensuing years.

The issue for us, is that the general public has become flip about the whole thing.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Don't you love that whole Girl Scouts of America are subversives?

As if that wasn't a nutty enough reach, the teabaggers challenging evolution in Tennessee, are now claiming hand holding to be the "gateway" to sexual activity.

And here I thought it was puberty.

http://www.amplifyyourvoice.org/u/nikki_liz/2012/4/5/Tennessee-Sex-Ed-Bill-Compares-HuggingKissingHandholding-to-Gateway-Drugs

Can these people get any stranger and still get elected to anything?

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Been saying that since Nixon.

The unfortunate capacity of the American people to be deceived never ceases to amaze.

Have you noticed the influx of Bull Shit artistry posted lately? We must be doing something right!

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

It has been increasing lately, along with a change in tactics.

Good thing I'm a liberal. I'm flexible............:)

I can adjust correctly to their tack.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Skippers sailing the high Bull Shit seas against the storming blowhard GOPs!

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Interestingly enough, they all change tactics at the same time.

"Any Way the Wind Blows"

--Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention--

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[-] 2 points by PopsMauler (182) from Chicago, IL 2 years ago

Ah, but of course this wouldn't be in the MSM here in the U.S! Do people really seriously believe we have a liberal press? The only big press I know of here is corporate owned MSM.

I for one head to independent and smaller sources for news, and even that's getting harder and harder to come by.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

That's why I used a story from Australia. The whole World is scratching their heads.......in fear.

[-] 2 points by Spade2 (478) 2 years ago

I'm from Louisiana (specifically New Orleans), we actually had something like this happen but our students stood up and said "no" to this. Then again we aren't really part of the bible belt (we're mostly Catholic).

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

As a New Yorker with a physics degree from The University of Tennessee,
I can agree that this is disgusting!
On a par with the world laughing at us for caring about a blue dress.
Our country was founded on religious freedom - and we are now obsessed with religious rigidity.

And just to give you another "southern" gem
when I was in school, I dated a local girl who told me that before she was in college, she was taught and believed that Jews had horns and a tail.


I highly recommend "Inherit the Wind" with Spencer Tracy . His battle of wits with Fredric March on the stand was incredible.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I do believe we've has a few of those "believers" come through this forum.

It must have been hard to think that she made it all the way to university with that belief in tact.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Actually, she was a very nice girl - but Tennessee is STILL producing ignorance like this.
Evolution - may not be a proven fact. And the Earth is 6000 years old.
And atomic theory ( that I studied in TN ), is just a theory - atoms MAY not be prove, And dinosaurs went extinct because people ate them. And God wants you to blow up abortion clinics and kill doctors. And God cares more about what you believe than who you abuse.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

That's as depressing as the janitors comment below.

It's also one of the reasons I'm against States rights when it comes to national issues as important as education.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

But without states rights,
what would happen to the
state of redneckedness ?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

There's always the slight chance that they might get an actual education.

[-] -1 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Oh right, the constitution clearly outlines education as a national issue.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

It doesn't exactly forbid it either.

At the rate we're going, it's going to become an issue of national security.

Please note, the article is from the Sydney Morning Herald.

The whole World IS watching, scratching their heads in horror, at the ignorance it displays. Not to mention we have MUCH more important problems to deal with..................

It's teabaggers wasting time and money.

[-] -1 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

I know, right? Those crazy tea partiers always shrieking for more money to be spent, with total disregard for the deficit Obama is trying to reign in. lol.

And ever heard of the tenth amendment? Maybe it was added as a practical joke or something. I don't know, but it would seem to prevent education from being a national issue.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Dare to be stupid, then is the term of the day?

An education is important to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, plus it provides for the commons.

[-] -1 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Hmmmm... education is important to life? I think you are stretching that one a little bit...

A car is important to modern L,L&H. So are a lot of things.... Wait a second, so is everything anyone buys, come to think of it. That's the reason people buy stuff from other people, because they need it or it makes them happy or whatever.

Does that confer constitutional grounds to nationalize any and every business in the country?

It amuses me to see you are resorting to personal attacks, and ignoring my reference to the tenth amendment, it means I am getting through to you.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

You've got dare to be stupid and ignorance is bliss.

Care to go for ignorance is strength?

I don't care what we do to stop it. Dumb is as dumb does.

[-] -1 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

The personal attacks continue LOL!

This is really sounding like a debate now....

You're saying I'm stupid, and you're claiming the constitution has the phrase "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" in it. That's from the declaration of independence, moron. lol.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

The insult, is in your mind.

I'm just distilling, what you described.

There is no question that this respects an establishment of religion, and to think it was you that brought up the constitution..

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Federal education is an establishment of religion? What on earth are you smoking?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

How lost are you?

I'm talking about the Tennessee bill.

[-] -1 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

I'm not half as lost as your mom in a library.

I was questioning the constitutionality of the department of education, not the Tennessee bill, although the Tennessee bill is unconstitutional also.

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

You are comical!

"It doesn't exactly forbid it either"

Keep your addled and simpleton ass where it belongs, in YOUR state of USELESSNESS!

[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

You're full of shit as a christmas turkey.

Sociopaths like you do provide some reason to ponder the possibility of there being no supreme being(s).

Do yourself a favor and keep your sorry ass in New York.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

vulgarity is the first sign of dementia -
please see your doctor
maybe a good proctologist can help you find your brain

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

I wouldn't expect a UT Knoxville flunky to be able to discern the difference between vulgarity and colorful, poingant speech.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

your speech is not poingant - it is fragrant

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Having screwed at least 20% of Tennessee's female population, I am very qualified to say that everyone of them believe just as bendoversdad says.

He wouldn't lie or take a cheap shot at sensationalizing his romp with a fourth generation hill country inbred.

BTW.... you have your plate pretty damned full already taking care of the grossly vile and heinously offensive shit that is SOP in New York.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Nuns did it!!!!!!

That's "right" in the big wide wide World of (R)epelican't crazy, now it's nuns that are at fault for dividing the country.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/06/tea-party-congressman-calls-nuns-divisive-audio/

It couldn't be folks like LImbaugh? Couldn't be FLAKESnews.

Naw...................It's those Nuns.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

LoL!

those crazy nuns!

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Well, when I was a kid, they did make me do duck and cover.....................:)

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Embarrassed yet?

You should be. this guy is on an official science committee.

Just another blatant example of the nuttiness of teabagge(R)y.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/10/05/house-science-member-says-earth-is-9000-years-old/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/05/republican-science-is-all-lies/

How long before this hits the World press?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Things haven't slowed down in the markets of teabagge(R)y.

They are still embarrassing us.

They are still intent on slowing any recovery.

Other parts of the World still see them as the crackpots they are.

When will certain posters here wake up to the facts?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/republican-cranks-and-crazies-the-biggest-threat-to-global-economy-swan-20120921-26aos.html

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

They just can't be beat in the race to get dumber.

Betcha FLAKESnews is highly popular in those parts.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/07/schools-forces-children-to-take-pregnancy-test-or-face-expulsion/

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 1 year ago

The invisible-man-in-the-sky told me,. that I should give my money to the church. And I should not question authority, or go against the leaders.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Is that like the invisible hand of WallStreet that's always in my pocket?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Teabagger Jan brewer proudly passes a law that claims pregnancy begins just after menstruation!!!!!!!

Who needs science and facts, when you have tea bag for a brain!!!!!

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/pregnancy_at_conception_nope_says_arizona_20120414/

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Can't say I believe in creationism, but would like to relate a side of this story that is infrequently heard. Which is that the theory of evolution was advanced behind the scenes by oligarchical figures who wished to establish that man was nothing more than an animal, and for this reason, could be worked as an animal, that is, as a slave.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

You heard that from an idiot.

'Nuff said!

[-] 0 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

The idiot would be the person who allows himself, or other humans, to be thought of as animals and worked as animals. It has happened all throughout history and continues to happen to this day. Its called slavery.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Like I said. 'Nuff said.

That stuff doesn't belong in schools.

[-] 0 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

If you are talking about creationism, I would agree. But I'd have to say that the theory of evolution is suspect, at least in my book, as well.

If you examine Charles Darwin you'll find that he was an advocate of Malthusianism, or population reduction. The English empire, took the ideas of population reduction and survival of the fittest, and applied them to their colonization of India.

The result was genocide by starvation on a massive scale, millions of people, as well as the looting of India and the enslavement of its people. This is what comes from thinking of people as animals.

Neither creationism nor Darwin's theory of evolution have my trust. I think more research has to be done outside of both these paradigms, and I think the "uniqueness" of the human being, as distinct from the animals has to be a part of it.

I don't think people should be recognized as another "species" of animal, but rather, something like another "kingdom":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_kingdom

That is, human being are as different from animals, as animals are different from plants.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

You can believe whatever you want, but this crap should not be taught in school.

You wont find cutting edge research on wiki. You just won't.

[-] 0 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

If you are calling the theory of evolution crap, because it treats man as an animal, I would have to agree with you.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

You said that, not me. In fact, you keep repeating it.

Don't think you're going to put words in my mouth.

What I said was the bill in Tennessee respects an establishment of religion and should not be taught in any accredited school.

It amount to cartoon science.

[-] 0 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

What I said deserves repeating, man should never be thought of or treated as an animal.

What you said was "this crap should not be taught in school", so what you meant by the word "crap" was not specified, and in fact, "crap" seems to be a word you very much like to repeat.

And while creationism may be cartoon science, the theory of evolution is something much more sinister. It is the ideology of genocide.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Whatever.

I'm just sayin'!

"The bill in Tennessee respects an establishment of religion and should not be taught in any accredited school."

There's the bottom line for you. Everything else, IS crap.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Then if I want to speak in words that are within your realm of understanding, I'd have to say that the theory of evolution is worse than "crap".

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Like I said, whatever.

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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Then go work for yourself. See if you have what it takes.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

I do work for myself, guess I have what it takes.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Nice. How long you been at it. Ive been at it for about 10 years. Its true that almost 90% of them dont make it past year five. Its tough.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

I worked as a freelance graphic artist for over ten years, then as advertising declined with the economic crisis, I tried teaching English in foreign countries. I taught in China for a year, then went to Argentina where I started a school with another teacher that has been going about three years now. We are starting to grow more rapidly now.

What do you do?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Funny, I do advertising stuff also. Buzz Stuff. We like to do a lot of political promos also. This is the latest one we did during the Mayor's election here in Tampa last March.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6e5qRUCI1I

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Looks interesting. Good luck with it.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

That's not really the fault of the liberal press.

It's a corporate owned press which realizes its more difficult to sell advertising when controversial issues offend people who buy products. The media might have a bit of a slant one way or the other, but its really slanted toward dollars. Why create risk creating controversy? it's bad for business.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Tell it to Mr. Murdock.

What this is, is embarrassing.

Besides, "liberal press" is a myth.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

Its also embarrassing... yes.

I think liberal is in the eye of the beholder, the sad fact is that many people are so conservative that MSNBC looks like the mouthpiece of Satan. Hence why (in my view) no one wants to offend a customer base that large by making fun of creationism.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I don't want to make fun of it.

I just don't want it taught in schools.

It respects an establishment of religion.

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Thankfully, fascists like you are not in charge of everything yet. Keep voting D and R so one day you can be.

[-] 1 points by HapteMikael (162) 2 years ago

Lol, you care what the "Tea Party" thinks? that is quite sad...

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Obsession trumps and blocks rational thinking.

[-] 1 points by calliope (25) 2 years ago

emotions prevail so why are we acting so logical? Where is the forum campaign? We need to make a rousal in cyber communities.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1242) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

What's stopping parents from telling their kids their personal view on evolution/creationism? Schools have to teach kids something on subjects where noone can actually prove anything. Evolution and creationism are both theories.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

If you want ignorant kids, I guess that's your "choice".

If you can explain to me how Noah missed all those millions of dinosaurs on the ark ride, I may actually consider your "theory" statement as something other than bullshit.

Until then?

stuff it.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1242) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Scientists are always trying to determine the age of the universe and they have run into a problem because the number they come up with is consistently expanding. Naturally they are aware of the concept of non-linear time. They do their best. Numbers are important so I won't get personal with someone who has 13055 twinkles on a site like this.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

That didn't answer my request to you

So like I said.

Stuff it..

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[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

so despite 5 bajillion examples of left wing media bias, you'll ignore all of that and conclude the media isn't left-biased (or pc-biased, dnc-biased, etc) simply because the lunacy in that article wasn't big national news here?

no.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I haven't see 5 bajillion examples. Very few in fact.

The lunacy, is in Tennessee, not the article..

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

We have a liberal press because the entire D bloc should be in the streets protesting this insane bombing of third world countries, yet there isnt a peep from anyone.

[-] 4 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I don't see the (R)s out protesting anything at all, except maybe science.

Your comment as usual, had nothing at all to do with the thread.

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[-] -1 points by bearclaw (-152) 1 year ago

Romney outpaces Obama fundraising for third month

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

It's all so embarrassing.

What gets said in the MSM.

[-] -1 points by letsdomore (89) 1 year ago

shooz'er you have enough experience teabagging balls to be an expert.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Is that supposed to be an insult?

Now you're embarrassing America.

Isn't it amazing though, the lunacy the party wastes time and money on?

They are one sick bunch.

[-] -3 points by bearclaw (-152) 1 year ago

Obama’s College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Holy Moly.

Beck has spoken!!

He should probably go back to being a rodeo clown. That suits him much better.

Perhaps you could help him get back there?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Oh no - Obama gone wild videos?

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

So are you for or against this? It has been ALL OVER the news on my TV. I don't have just the free channels.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

What's your position?

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

As usual, you evade answering direct questions and next you'll attempt your un-amusing and condescending pious tone explaining to me how I ignore your assertions or questions.

Tennessee is a bit different than many other states, for many reasons.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

I'm dead set against it. I figured you knew.

You on the other hand, didn't answer at all.

[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

My position is that if you don't live in Tennessee, it's none of your damned business.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

A totally evasive, non answer.

You must be a politician. Or a wanna B......

Would it help to inform you that facts and science, are not independent of any State in the Nation?

[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

If Tennesseans want creationism being taught, with or without evolution, then they should have it. Anyone that doesn't like whatever the people of Tennessee decide to have relative to this, or any other Non-Federal issue, shouldn't move to the Sovereign State of Tennessee.

[-] 3 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

A call for ignorance if I've ever heard one.

No need for that pesky separation of church and state stuff for you.

The could even teach that the south won the war. Why not?

Who needs facts when you have teabaggers!!!!!

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Simpletons like you remain alive only because there are laws which make it very inconveniently illegal to kill them.

Boy, I sure would love to meet you in person, but, it's quite evident you don't get away from your computers for much longer than to sleep. I'm pretty sure I know why.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

Is that supposed to be a threat???

You're dumber than I thought.

You do know that people tend to get banned for threats around here?

I could contact someone if like. If that's all you came here for.

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Simple statements of fact for a simple anonymous mind.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26725) 2 years ago

What fact was stated?

You seem to have a problem with them.

[-] -2 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 1 year ago

Why do you care about so called teabaggers? They matter how?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

They do a great deal of damage to my country, and as you can see they damage our good name abroad too.

They also raised my taxes, the fucking liars.

Why do you think they don't matter?

[-] -1 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 1 year ago

They got a bunch of their people elected in 2010. And they haven't done shit since they've been in their.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

Been in their what?

You do realize that your statement shows that you have ignored all the posts in the thread?

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

(Karma)

[-] -1 points by cableguy223 (-24) 1 year ago

and the OWS has how many in congress to do their work ?

[-] -3 points by cableguy223 (-24) 1 year ago

" OWS / Obama Prayer "

Obama is my shepherd I shall not think He makes me lie down instead of work He leads me to welfare offices He restoreth my unemployment He leads me in paths of bureaucracy For his name’s sake.

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of factories I will fear no job For you are with me Your ACLU and the union They protect me.

You prepare a table before me; In the presence of the working saps; You refill my WIC card for free My beer overflows. Surely welfare and handouts shall follow me All the days of my life. And I shall vote for the house of Democrats Forever.

[-] 3 points by shooz (26725) 1 year ago

With that pile of bullshit, you should be more embarrassed than most.