Forum Post: Taliban will rule Afghanistan again, says leaked US military report
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 1, 2012, 6:07 p.m. EST by Scout
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so all the Americans who have lost their lives on this stupid f*kcing war have done so for nothing! Another Vietnam ! absolutely disgraceful. when will people learn?America giving money to Pakistan who I wouldn't even trust to tell me the right time of the day
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/01/taliban-rule-afghanistan-leaked-report
It is now almost inevitable, as it probably always was.
Pushing the Taliban out would require an ideological shift that the Afghan population simply is not prepared to make. Especially since we are not exactly offering them a much better alternative with the degree of corruption in the civilian government.
Also, there is a lack of legitimacy since the government is propped up on heavy US support. If anything, the Afghans have always been a proud people, they are unwilling to accept leaders who may potentially be puppets.
The Taliban know this. They are merely waiting for our troops and others to leave before they reclaim power.
The Afghan (and the US) administration knows that the Taliban are planning this and are rushing to make some kind of compromise with the Taliban (at a conference in Saudi Arabia) which would allow them to 'share' power.
The reason the Taliban has the kind of support it does (esp in the Tribal regions of NW Pakistan) is because they win over the common man by persecuting those criminals that the government law enforcement officials cannot or will not.
Their brand of justice, although barbaric and repressive of women, is effective and does not discriminate between rich and poor.
By no means am I a supporter of their policies and tactics, but the fact is that it allows them to secure a support base.
Until the civilian Afghan and Pakistani governments are not able to either eradicate or at least mitigate corruption and provide true justice to their peoples, the Taliban, by filling that void, are here to stay.
So "according to two very revealing books Douglas Wissing’s 2012 "Funding the Enemy: How the US Taxpayers Bankroll The Taliban'' & - Anand Gopal’s 2014 "No Good Men Among the Living: America, The Taliban, and the War Through Afghan Eyes"- after the U.S.A.'s 2001 invasion, most Taliban rank & file members were ready to assimilate back into Afghan society. Yet the U.S.and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) continued to harass, imprison, & kill Taliban leaders & soldiers to the point of forcing them to take up arms again to defend themselves. By 2005, according to Gopal & Wissing, the U.S. had effectively revived the Taliban.
"Simultaneously, the way the US & NATO structured the country’s development aid system seems to have nurtured the immense corruption of warlords and strengthened the Taliban by indirectly funding them through transportation and building contracts. Furthermore the U.S. and Britain’s “war on drugs” also fueled this corruption: The country has produced around 90 percent of the worlds’ opium supply since the beginning of the U.S. occupation, from which the Taliban received around 50-60 percent of their funding.
"Added to this was U.S.’s brutal counterinsurgency policies of bombing villages and its night raids in rural areas with nonexistent infrastructure, which further alienated a rural Afghan population already experiencing high unemployment and underdevelopment due to decades of war." - excerpted from:
respice; adspice; prospice!
"The US Must Stay Out of Afghanistan (so) Don’t Listen to Panetta and Bolton"! ... by Wm. Rivers Pitt:
From which .. "It began as it always seems to, with some entrenched stakeholder in the foreign policy establishment solemnly invoking their idea of The Right Thing To Do. “[B]ottom line is that our work is not done in Afghanistan,” said former Defense Secretary and CIA Director Leon Panetta during a CNN appearance on August 27. “I know we’ll be removing our troops by a certain date, but the bottom line is our work is not done…. We’re going to have to go back in to get ISIS.”
"Twenty years, thousands of lives and trillions of dollars later, these people still think flapping “our work is not done” remains a viable argument for the Forever War, i.e. the so-called “war on terror.” Even after getting battered for days with images of the mayhem at Kabul airport, American opinion remains solidly against continuing our failed war in Afghanistan, which has prompted the stay-forever advocates to ramp up the volume.
"“The chance of another 9/11 just went through the roof,” announced Lindsey Graham as he twirled the old, bloody shirt. “This is one of the worst foreign policy decisions in American history, much worse than Saigon,” snarled Mitch McConnell with brazen incoherence; does he think we should still be fighting the Vietnam War? “It has been a catastrophe and I am afraid that it’s only going to get worse,” opined alpha warmonger John Bolton. Even Donald Trump, who ran for president on withdrawing from Afghanistan and brokered the deal that led to this mess, dropped in his two cents. “This is not a withdrawal,” he howled at a rally in Cullman, Alabama. “This was a total … surrender.”
"In their haste to reactivate the war-profit ATM and trillion-dollar mineral/gas rights bonanza that is and has been Afghanistan, our pals in the establishment have either glossed over or gruesomely perverted a few pertinent facts."
The article ends: "There is deliberate purpose behind both the silence then and the siren now, and each purpose is equally gut-wrenching. Some 26,000 Afghan children have been killed or severely injured in our Afghanistan war since 2005. Do not let the “Establishment” get away with this again."
caveat!
So "Trained by the US to fight against Soviet forces, Abdul Ghani Baradar was captured by the CIA in Pakistan after turning on Washington. He was deemed a terrorist and sent to languish in Guantanamo Bay. He was released in 2018. Three years later, he is now the leader of the Taliban and holding state-level meetings with CIA Director - William Burns. Rick Sanchez discusses this fascinating trajectory of Afghanistan’s new strongman. Then the whistleblower and author John Kiriakou shares his insights"!!!
from "He fought Russians, Americans & was sent to Gitmo - now he runs Afghanistan!": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5toaevFqCuY (NB 5m of the 28m, Full 'RT America' Show)
also consider ... https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/08/defense-contractors-spent-big-in-afghanistan-before-the-us-left-taliban-took-control/ ... by Anna Massoglia and Julia Forrest
e tenebris. lux?
""Afghanistan: A Cultural & Political History" Thomas Barfield:
e tenebris, lux?
"How The USA Created The Taliban" - John Pilger [6m]
respice et adspice!
"We Lost the War in Afghanistan. We Need to Say So!" . . . by William Rivers Pitt:
"Breaking The Silence: Truth And Lies In The War On Terror" . . . by John Pilger:
deja vu?
"We lost the war" is just plain bullshit because I take the objectives of the war to be the targeted killing of Osama bin Laden and the prevention of large-scale terrorist attacks on the U.S. homeland stemming from the country/countries where he was located.
On my book of accounting, both of the objectives have been met. Afghanistan fell off of my "radar screen" years ago. Of course, the racket for nation building was indeed kept going by many parties benefiting from the so-called continuing war. Richard Holbrooke had long advocated the position that we should pull out of Afpak after getting Afpak's neighbors together for a power-succession and regional-security plan but he was ignored so "here we go again..."
Biden was inept in his leadership of the execution of the U.S. withdrawal although the withdrawal was indeed the correct action to take. As Obama had said before that one shouldn't jettison the engines of the airplane one was flying on in order to fly higher in the short term. Security in that mind-fractured area of the world required military force's stabilization so if Biden meant to meet the August 31st deadline ( which is totally artificial and has mostly to do with the stiffened egos of the Dicks involved to push a political narrative of having "defeated the U.S." or "pulled out before the 20th anniversary of 9-11-2001" -- meeting the deadline doesn't do a thing to secure Afghanistan for its people; I recall how the 12-31-2011 U.S. pullout from Iraq had fared in securing Iraq for its people -- disastrous ), the military force should be the last to be evacuated, probably from Bagram Airbase where the U.S. Military had its headquarters and much of its heavy equipment instead of Hamid Karzai International Airport in an urbanized area where suicide bombings can have devastating effects. My Mom who had watched in person the surrender and withdrawal of the Imperial Japanese Army from China said that it was very orderly and despite the Japs' heinous wartime atrocities, the people didn't hit back at the Japs for a kick. They were probably glad that the Japs were leaving, the faster and smoother, the better it would be.
The fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban had been preordained by the Orange-utan toe-in-its-mouth CoupD'HotFart-Baby, foreseen, and probably so-called "planned for" months ago at least as early as late April since the evacuation of nonessential U.S. Embassy personnel and families commenced. One should wonder why the U.S. needed to have "a surge of consulate workers [back to Afghanistan] in order to process the evacuees." If the U.S. wanted to evacuate people, shouldn't it have had them pre-screened by consulate workers first during the few months starting in May rather than in July ?
All I can say is that our people and allies there didn't see the sign of embassy personnel drawdown originated from our State Department, granted by Joe Biden, and commenced a gradual pullout starting in May but apparently not the U.S. nationals, expatriates, and allies. The U.S. had sent out signals for sure but they weren't heeded by the relevant parties.
The withdrawal feels to me as being done for stopping the stream of premium payments to the insurance policy to prevent large-scale terrorist attacks on the U.S. homeland. The way to avoid having to be everywhere overseas fighting potential terrorists, real or imagined, is to strengthen U.S. homeland border control and by "border" I mean including our international airports. Internally, the U.S. federal disregard of protecting our borders over many decades made everyone's life in the U.S. extremely cumbersome: do you have a driver's license? Oh, the license will soon become insufficient. Do you have a debit card? Gosh, could that be a faked one? What's your mother's maiden name? Do you remember where you have lived before? Is Analville ringing a bell for you? Do you have a REAL ID? Did you have Aetna [for fucking last night]? What are the last four digits of your social security number? Amazon should sue every service industry's outfit patent-infinging upon its novel last-4-digits-of-social-security-number identification method. What's the zipcode of your last place of residence before your current one? What's your employer's name? Umm, we don't have your account information -- did you give us the correct account number? "We value your business, please stay on the line while we connect you shortly to our [gobbledygook foreign-accented know-nothing can-decide-nothing] representative." What's all this for? Osama bin Laden, illegal aliens, fraudsters, crackers, etc. are living in spirit and in reality in the U.S. and our globally connected world. Having no borders means having a crazy amount of security checks internally every day. I didn't remember having to go through so much security and identification check while I was in Hong Kong. The public hospitals just treated anyone who paid a little bit of clinic fee, showed up with a previously issued number or referral. I didn't see any involvement of insurance companies in the grand superbowl of kicking healthcare costs around to avoid paying. I didn't even know of the idea of medical insurance until I had been in the U.S. for a while. ( Here's a cultural clash: my homeroom teacher in school badgered me repeatedly to get a medical something from my personal physician. I knew what a physicist was but what the hell is a physician, or a personal one at that? Is a physician a magician who plays tricks with Physics? I've only recently figured out why I was at odds with the teacher -- she's asking me to get my health examination status such as having-been-vaccinated from a NONEXISTENT person, as our family had neither a family physician nor a personal one; I didn't get into her good grace for recalcitrantly resisting complying with the health mandate; Hong Kong's school medical personnel jabbed me with vaccinations after my handing to our teacher the completed parental approval forms -- there was the public option provided; Hillary Clinton seemed to have access to or possess a goodly amount of cultural understanding relative to most politicians so I trusted her genuine desire to take care of children. ) I guess that the absence of insurance companies in public medical care might have been due to its funding by the Labor-oriented undercurent in British politics.
The U.S. could not count on our N.A.T.O. partners to chip in to defend against terrorism in the long run so the U.S. needs to pull back its defense perimeter and give the Europeans and Afpak's neighbors the freedom to run their own security operations as they see fit and suffer any consequences therefrom. Some N.A.T.O. partners aside from the U.K. ( does our Irish-descent Catholic President remember the "Special Relationship" { which was probably a dominant reason why I had eventually become a U.S. citizen, as did the ones who had vanished from their Hukous "With the suppression of news internally, many city residents were not aware that mass deaths were occurring in the countryside at all. This was essential to preventing organized opposition to Mao's policies." The U.S. Founding Fathers might have had tremendous foresight: 1st amendment: freedom of speech and 2nd amendment: right to bear arms } or does the Irish Potato Famine still hold sway over his mind ? ) etc. have already departed from Afpak years ago. The U.S. should probably have done the same but only after getting the Afpak neighbors together for a security plan. The U.S. isn't a "small" country in N.A.T.O. whose withdrawal may not matter much to the grand scheme of defense. It is the linchpin of the alliance so it must act responsibly or the debacles like what's unfolding in Kabul happen. At the very least, it should inform N.A.T.O. partners secretly or otherwise of what it intends to do ( although it's publicly known months ago that the U.S. would be pulling out -- it had at least pulled out its consulate workers but that seemed to be a blunder because their work for admitting refugees to the U.S. wasn't completed ). All in all, the fairly bloodless fall of Kabul to the Taliban was a good thing, due to its not creating additional bad karma. Believe it or not, Vietnam War led through Nixon's insecurity about his handling of the war affecting his re-election causing his domestic-spying scandal called Watergate leading to Congress passing law to partition intelligence domains into foreign and domestic realms so FBI's response time to catching the 9-11 hijackers was lengthened so 9-11 attacks occurred and Afghanistan harboring Osama bin Laden was invaded and eventually we got the suicide bombing just outside of the Hamid Karzai International Airport. Bad karma runs long and deep ! Kabul isn't Saigon but they are connected. Propped-up governments fail quickly once the U.S. withdrew the support for them.
Ultimately, people who don't heed the warnings and watch what have happened, are happening, and will happen, will reap the fruits of their inaction on withdrawing from Afghanistan. "One who hesitates is lost." Counting upon a U.S. President to be competent in hurried evacuations is unwise -- I expected that this fact had already been drummed into our nationals loudly over recent decades of inept &/or rendered-impotent-by-GOP leadership by our Presidents ( we have enduring bipartisan support for doing nothing hard/controversial -- it was far more important and FITting that we'd argue about whether Manhattan's Avenue of the Americas be restored to numerically sequenced but correctly Latinized name of Sextus Avenue which runs straight up north, from the Battery to verdant Central Park ) but I was expecting too much...
You are full of $H!T, top to bottom and ears to ass .. U fkn RW Corp. MSM regurgitating fkn idiot! Explore at length & depth the following links & Only Then .. try to spew your Imperialist Hubris!! U know Sweet Fk All of what U opine on & at such inexorable & tedious length, so Read OR Stay In The Dark!!!
https://www.ae911truth.org/
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/911/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/did-9-11-justify-the-war-in-afghanistan/19891
http://occupywallst.org/forum/911-a-geo-political-monster-a-cris-de-coeur-by-tim/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/afghanistan-americas-total-lie-war-what-has-been-d/
https://peoplesworld.org/article/afghanistans-socialist-years-the-promising-future-killed-off-by-u-s-imperialism/
19 Arabs did NOT solely obviate NORAD and Invent New Laws of Physics on 9/!! & EVERYTHING ELSE from that date has been a TOTAL LIE ever fkn since .. U dumb RW tool! Now do the fkn reading & STOP spewing retarded Imperial MSM PR/opaganda ... U reactionary, RW halfwit; without ANY analysis or critique of the core & fundamental facts, that the USG don't want U to go ANYWHERE NEAR - EVER!
ad iudicium?!
Of course, according to our great data-scooping megasquids, my previous residence was Analville !!! You're correct that anyone coming out of Analville will smell like shit but my being chock full o' shit is incorrect. I neither inhaled nor ingested from that Anus as I've lived happily 》der After.《 "Good afternoon, gentlemen..." Haram :0 Palace for Mewtwo ?
"America is back [ with chicken at every meal because the chickens are coming home to roost ]," promised Dad.
Think [ what ] shit [can happen and what measures need be taken to ensure its smooth and controlled passage, perhaps using much water as a lubricant which serves tectonic plates' subduction and expansion, too -- so as to make a volcanic venus] like Mount Etna. Think and do Big but steadily and gradually as if one's operating a gigantic crane hauling heavy loads while building a high-rise. Minimize jerkiness, which is reserved for the jerks.
To all new Afghan evacuated "special immigrants"/'prospective asylum seekers and potential eventual refugees' enroute to America the beautiful, welcome home !!!
Save the Iranians, save the Lebanese, save the Palestinians, save the Jews, save the Saudis, save the Yemenis, save the North Koreans, save the South Koreans, save the Japanese, save the Russians, save ~90% of the Red Chinese, save the Taiwanese -- Asian Lives Matter.
The U.S. War on Poverty has been putting the carriage before the horse. We should've been "fighting" the Poverty of War all along by increasing overseas poor people's blood sugar levels.
North Korea is severely overpopulated due to post-Japanese-occupation-industrialization population Boom. 人窮心兇。Red China MUST be collapsed in order to denuclearize North Korea ( unless South Korea comes to the rescue by reaching peace with DPRK and reunify Korea { with Kimmy Jimmel Live-riding Gangnam style on a horse farm }; a unified Korea will have sufficient arms, even if it denuclearizes its nuclear arms, to keep its independence from being snatched away by its powerful nuclear-armed neighbors ). Status: the collapse is happening in an accelerating process. There must be no relaxation of any sanctions on the DPRK until it has denuclearized. Lifting of any sanctions done previously only renewed its quest for more military weapons, especially nuclear ones.
The genius virus is ravaging the U.S., primarily sickening "the unbelievers" of the vaccines. The genius visa ( H1B visa ) befits the genius virus. God works in "mysterious ways" -- well, it isn't as mysterious now as before, right ? As I'd explained Life to a male regarding a female -- it's C GAT Uracil, U in RNA, T in DNA.
"When the vaccines came out in December, those of us in health care were like, 'Oh, my God, it's like the cavalry coming over the hill.'
but due to the disbelief [or the aspiring-fascist divide]... the U.S. marched north on SextUS Avenue from the Battery to Central Park, with its record-breaking rainfall -- sad.
So, you are still talking Total $H!T then. gripes?!
Here, try this link - taken from the link #2 above:
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-mysteries/
U can't know what U don't know - so go find out!
MULTUM in parvo!
and we have wasted about 5 trillion!
we should not sell/give them anymore weapons
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No surprises there. Afghanistan doesn't want to change. The people like being uncivilized savages.