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Forum Post: Afghanistan: America's "Total Lie War" : What Has Been Done To Our Troops?!

Posted 10 years ago on Sept. 5, 2012, 7:07 p.m. EST by Renneye (3874)
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This is the despicable dark underbelly of war. While we whittle away at social issues here, 'they' continue as though its business as usual.

I propose to you that the machinations of global dominance and so-called meddling go far deeper and are perpetrated by far darker public characters than most of us would want to admit...and the US is just as involved. Perhaps the worst of the bunch.

War has rarely been for the sake of freedom and sovereignty like we are led to believe through MSM, and soldiers are lied to and conditioned to fight for.

THE US MUST CEASE AND DESIST ALL WAR ACTIVITY.

This is a startling article from Veterans Today.

Exerpt:

America’s Special Envoy, the “now dead” Richard Holbrooke is the one responsible for certifying the narcotics production effort as central to US policy. It received key Republican support in Congress, and made war in Afghanistan possible forever. Why?

Colonel Eugene Khrushchev, former First Secretary of both the Soviet and Russian embassies in Kabul, an editor of Veterans Today and longtime friend calls Holbrooke one of the world’s biggest “drug kingpins.”

There are more American names involved including two American senators up to their necks in the Afghan drug business, from the “money laundering” end, making use of thousands of secret bank accounts in the Cayman Islands, Switzerland and elsewhere. Any of this sound familiar?

Afghanistan doesn’t export opium paste anymore.

Key Americans, many elected officials, some military, aided by foreign intelligence services, India, Britain, Canada and Germany have built the world’s heroin processing industry there.

Shipping is handled by the Northern Alliance, for the local market, Afghanistan is a nation of addicts now, and the massive Russian market.

Europe is handled out of two bases, Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo, where the US flies heroin and turns it over to the Kosovo/Albanian mafia for distribution and to Belgium, where it is distributed for Northern Europe.

Much goes directly to the United States via long range drones of the private air force of CIA contracting companies, shipped as “rendition prisoners.”

Full Article...

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/02/breaking-afghanistan-americas-total-lie-war/

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[-] 6 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 10 years ago

"The US must cease and desist all WAR activity"

Truth

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Afghanistan War Exposed: An Imperial Conspiracy" by 'Empire Files':

Note as "Abby Martin uncovers the facts about the war on Afghanistan, from the CIA construct of the 80's through today's senseless stalemate. Two decades, three administrations, tens of thousands of lives; it's time to #EndTheForeverWar ."

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

"CIA’s Addiction to Afghanistan War", by Finian Cunningham:

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"There’s Now a Glimmer of Hope That 20 Years of War in Afghanistan Might End" ... by William Rivers Pitt:

pacem in terris?

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"CIA Stories: Death Squads in Afghanistan"! ... with Abby Martin

If U sew terror & mayhem, be not surprised when Karma bites back!

e tenebris - tenebris!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"The U.S. Government Lied For Two Decades About Afghanistan"! - by Glenn Greenwald:

"Using the same deceitful tactics they pioneered in Vietnam, U.S. political and military officials repeatedly misled the country about the prospects for success in Afghanistan." Also please ...

respice et adspice!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Some Shocking Facts About the Afghanistan War"!

"As we are painfully aware, the US and UK invaded Afghanistan as punishment for 9/11,even though Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11, and we made no serious attempt to discuss peace because peace was never our goal."

et veritas vos liberabit!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 10 months ago

Please "Stop Starving Afghanistan"! by Graeme Smith:

"Why the West Should Release Its Economic Chokehold"!

fiat lux et fiat pax!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

"The Empire Is Not Done Torturing Afghanistan" by Pepe Escobar:

"Despite its resounding defeat - NATO isn't quite done with inflicting misery on the land of the Afghans"!

And "Hell hath no fury like Empire scorned.As if all the bombing,droning, years of occupation and serial collateral damage was not misery enough,a resentful Washington topped its performance by effectively stealing $7 billion from the Afghan central bank: that's - funds that belong to roughly 40 million battered Afghan citizens.

"Now, exiled Afghans are getting together trying to prevent relatives from 9/11 victims in the US to seize $3.5 billion of these funds to pay off debts allegedly owed by the Taliban – who have absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

"Unlawful doesn't even begin to qualify the confiscation of assets from an impoverished nation afflicted by a currency in free fall, high inflation and now a terrifying humanitarian crisis - whose only ‘crime’ was to defeat the imperial occupation on the battleground fair and square. By any standards,would that now persist, the qualification of international war crime applies. And collateral damage in this case,will mean the termination of any “credibility” still enjoyed by the “indispensable nation.”

"The Full Amount of foreign reserves should be unequivocally returned to the Afghan Central Bank. Yet everyone knows that is not going to happen. At best - just a limited monthly installment will be released, barely enough to stabilize prices & allow average Afghans to buy essentials, such as bread, cooking oil, sugar and fuel."

with:"We posit no sexy title for our strategy. Peace,and only peace. That’s it. We can split the atom and rocket to the stars. Surely we can resolve our disputes without incinerating each other.We need set our minds, money, and resources to it. Dominance is for tyrants. It must fall & humanity must prevail.Peace is everything."

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

"Double Standard - Afghan Refugees Still Seeking to Enter U.S.A. as Biden Admin Opens Door to 68,000+ Ukrainians"! DemocracyNow! Video +Transcript (12m)

e tenebris - tenebris!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Re. Afghanistan, here's a History so seldom told in US or UK:

et fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"How The USA Created The Taliban" - John Pilger [6m]

respice et adspice!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Bitter Lake" by Adam Curtis:

For some real & deeper knowledge about the recent background to events in Afghanistan, please do try to consider this good feature length documentary film from the legendary & ever insightful, Adam Curtis.

et fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Why has so little been said about the Afghan casualties of the past 20 years?"by Clive Lewis MP:

"When I served in Afghanistan I questioned Britain’s part in the war, but the scale of the human cost has made me fully reject it." Also try to consider:

ad iudicium?

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[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Don’t Forget the Afghanistan Invasion Was Illegal (even) As Biden Threatens More War"! - by Marjorie Cohn:

From which: "Twenty years of the U.S. war and occupation in Afghanistan cost at least $2.26 trillion and resulted in the deaths of more than 2,300 Americans and tens of thousands of Afghan civilians. The “war on terror” George W.Bush launched with his “Operation Enduring Freedom” has included the torture and abuse of untold numbers people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantánamo & CIA black sites. It has exacerbated right-wing terrorism in the USA & has provided the pretext for the ubiquitous surveillance of Muslims and those who dissent against government policy. And the whistleblowers who expose U.S. war crimes have been rewarded with prosecutions under the Espionage Act and - lengthy prison sentences. We must not forget the illegality, death and destruction that the war in Afghanistan has caused over the decades - lest we repeat our lethal mistakes."

respice et adspice!

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23679) 1 year ago

"Who's to Blame for Afghanistan? Remember the War's Cheerleaders" by George Monbiot

He argues "Any fair reckoning of what went wrong in Afghanistan, Iraq and the other nations swept up in the “war on terror” should include the disastrous performance of the media. Cheerleading for the war in Afghanistan was almost universal, and dissent was treated as intolerable. After the Northern Alliance stormed into Kabul, torturing and castrating its prisoners, raping women and children, the Telegraph urged us to “just rejoice, rejoice”, while the Sun ran a two-page editorial entitled “Shame of the traitors: wrong, wrong, wrong … the fools who said Allies faced disaster”. In the Guardian, Christopher Hitchens, a convert to US hegemony and war, marked the solemnity of the occasion with the words: “Well, ha ha ha, and yah, boo. It was … obvious that defeat was impossible. The Taliban will soon be history.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/25/blame-afghanistan-war-media-intervention

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Anthropology in Afghan Studies ... Thomas Barfield"

A 13m vid. from 2014 - by an academic master of his field.

respice; adspice; prospice . . .

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Once "He fought Russians, Americans and was sent to Gitmo - and now he runs Afghanistan!"

NB "Trained by the US to fight against Soviet forces, Abdul Ghani Baradar was captured by the CIA in Pakistan after turning on Washington. He was deemed a terrorist and sent to languish in Guantanamo Bay. He was released in 2018. Three years later, he is now the leader of the Taliban and holding state-level meetings with CIA Director - William Burns. Rick Sanchez discusses this fascinating trajectory of Afghanistan’s new strongman. Then the whistleblower and author John Kiriakou shares his insights"!!!

verum ex absurdo?

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

Ultimately the Taliban and the Afghan Government have to learn how to live together with each other in peace. It's not the U.S. which can make them not fight each other. Of course, the U.S. has the power to kill and killed a lot of people there but has that really helped the Afghani ? I doubt it very much.

I however believe that the war in Afghanistan was well worth being fought to defend our North American homeland. If the terrorists want to fight the U.S., we have provided them easier targets, saving them a very long voyage across at least an ocean. We cannot change the hearts of men but we can certainly stop the hearts of men. U.S. troops can surely surge back to kill en masse again to change the hearts of men to status: halted, if necessary.

The U.S. has done that in Iraq so there is indeed a precedent already set. WWI and WWII were another precedent. The same is true for the DPRK and the ROK. I think Kim Jong-un was just totally off the mark negotiating with our U.S. Trumpery regime. It's not as if the U.S. would be migrating to South Korea to live in peace with North Korea. Both sides of Korea know how peace can be achieved. The U.S. Military is great for doing a butchering job but is that really what the Korean people want ?

One permanent rule of engagement for the U.S. Military is that they can choose to retaliate by returning fire with fire in self defense, without any consultation with our politicians. It's why I was always concerned about what other countries' folks might get themselves into by attacking U.S. troops who might not seem to be well-armed but they might actually be well protected, due to their connection. They may have a Big Brother lurking beyond the field of view, somewhere out there.

I think that the U.S. Military in Afghanistan has already been in this mode of war for years. They don't know whom to shoot at but whoever shoots at them gets shot back in return. Who really knows which person is an al-Qaeda member ?

If one really wants a priest or imam, one should call in a priest or imam, not a butcher.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Consider "What did 20 years of western intervention in Afghanistan achieve? Ruination"!

U "however believe that the war in Afghanistan was well worth being fought to defend our North American homeland" because U are a HIGHLY propagandised fkn moron regurgitating RW b-s!

IF U want to learn something about Afghanistan - read the links and replies here. Starting below:

et temet nosce ....

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

So "Who Authorized America’s Wars?" by Andrea Mazzarino:

From which, this preamble: "Almost 20 years after the US invasion of Afghanistan, as the Taliban takes district after district ... withdrawing American troops are discarding vast piles of junk - on bases they are now abandoning. In the process, "The War On Terror" .. has become a retreat of terror - leaving behind horrified Afghans in a wrecked land. Now, as some of those troops actually return to the U.S.(minus the 650 still .. “guarding the embassy” in Kabul, and another few hundred on call at that city’s airport), what exactly are they coming home to?

"After all Afghanistan did not get its nickname .. “The Graveyard of Empires” for nothing. In 1989, if you remember, when the Red Army finally limped home after its Afghan fiasco — from what its leader had by then begun calling its “bleeding wound” — it was returning to a Soviet Union .. which was itself, only two years from implosion. For the American troops now “coming home” (that is in quotes .. because some of them will undoubtedly be reshuffled elsewhere in the Greater Middle East) .. they probably will not come back to a total implosion two years from now. After all, the U.S.A. remains richer and more powerful than the Soviets ever were. Still, they will certainly return to a land of staggering inequalities .. whose political system seems to be cratering. And don’t think that our Never-Ending Wars of this century and the untold trillions of taxpayer dollars poured into them didn’t play a role in the arrival of Donald Trump in the White House or the creation of an ever less functional political system seemingly at war with itself."

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Biden Tried to Absolve Himself for Afghanistan Aftermath — But He Voted for War"! - by William Rivers Pitt:

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

I enjoy Afghanistan's neighbors panicking about the "success" of getting N.A.T.O. and the U.S. out of their backyards. I believe it's a great trailer portending a "post-American-hegemony" horror movie. "No more Pax Americana" will be there soon. The U.S. isn't a colonizing country anymore.

The U.S. cannot change the beliefs of still tribal peoples. Let them kill each other as they see fit and have always done for at least centuries, unlike recent seven+ peaceful decades lived by the peoples of the U.S.-dominated post-WWII Europe or the near-total-surrendered Imperial Japan.

These defeated countries got Pax Americana imposed, e.g. by N.A.T.O. in Europe. My Dad's comment was, "Geez ! The peoples of these U.S.-subjugated loser countries { e.g. Germans } live far better than we, { at the time, Chinese and overseas British National; we have all since then naturalized to become U.S. citizens; Chinese, British, [or Americans, Soviet peoples of U.S.S.R.] were all victorious in 八年抗戰, WWII, or Great Patriotic War } members of the victorious Allied nations, do !" I wasn't stupid to suggest Germany as a possible target country for our family's emigration because Dad had implied in his sayings that the West { he didn't visit East Germany, partly due to his being on ships which traveled less to reach a dock in a West German port than one in a more tucked-into-Baltic-Sea East German port, and partly due to the political barriers of the Iron Curtain } Germans lived better than we did at the time.

I certainly considered living a better future life as a part of the goal of emigration -- I already knew that I would lose nearly everything I was familiar with and had to "start over" so I had better gain something in return to compensate for my sure loss. Dad's "chicken at every meal" in America sounded enticing. As I only knew the German words for 'eggs' ( 》Eier《, 阿爺 in sound; Germans recognized their grandfathers as being 'eggs' -- I could remember that lesson from Dad due to its quirkiness ) and 》Telefunken《 on our black-and-white vacuum-tube television set at the time, it turned out that the U.S. using American English was a great blessing to me who had learnt largely British English ( my first kindergarten vocabulary book was likely an imitation American English one because there were "jam" and "jungle-jim" under the letter 'j'; "jungle gym" is the American-English vocabulary while "climbing frame" is the British-English equivalent; I had wondered for decades about the "jim" part which made me, a young boy climbing onto a "jungle-jim" to play, feel rather gay; our North American evangelical Pacifists must have been baying, "No Sodom, no Gomorrah. Burn the book ! Burn the book ! Make its editor drink hemlock !" ) American and British English are actually dialects, in my opinion, because they are more mutually comprehensible than the so-called 'dialects' I knew which had grammatical differences in addition to expression and vocabulary differences. I sympathize with Dad's complaint to Mom regarding our family's linguistic communication style with its mixed usage of languages and dialects. He felt being "left out."

Siemens(R) manufactured our clothes-washer ( so I supposed that the West Germans didn't have to wash their own clothes as most capitalist countries such as BRD of West Germany consume what they themselves manufacture; it's a primary reason why capitalist countries' peoples tend to live a lot better than other countries' peoples; there's often a huge domestic market to nurture a goods-producing industry; e.g. who bought so many Ford model-T cars ? the Ford Motor Company's employees who made the cars ! where did they get the money to buy the cars ? by receiving the more than doubled wages working for capitalist Henry Ford's car-making company to make the cars so they were well paid, had jobs, and drove the cars they themselves made; Henry Ford understood that his company needed paying customers to thrive so he enabled his employees to become the paying customers, thus coupling their growth together eliminating a potential limit on the car business due to the otherwise small size of the market ).

With new onsite or home-based manufacturing of plastic items using 3-D printing, we can greatly diminish Red China's near monopoly on simple items such as facial masks. Red China's CCP's ban on exporting PPEs ( surely killing many Americans and others in its uncontrolled premature-ejaculatory bioweapon cleansing for achieving World Conquest ) showed that all nations must eliminate their dependency on most of Red China's manufacturing. It's no longer a matter of getting cheap stuffs but perhaps a matter of life or death. Red China abused dual use so everyone else can achieve the same: an anthrax-WMD factory in every kitchen, a gun-munitions print shop in every home. U.S. Second Amendment's right to bear arms can be extended worldwide to every freedom-loving Minuteman and Minute Maid(R).

Remember that the Afghanis have the peace religion ( it was conceived and it grew up in the global chaos ensuing the tribulations of 535-536 C.E. ) as many of their neighbors do, so let peace and prosperity arrive soon in Afghanistan.

Biblical prophesy presaged a huge army crossing the Euphrates.

The Sino-American War can model upon the Sino-Japanese War because Sino-American relations have gone through most of this track before in the context of Nippon-American relations. History doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes. Red China is behaving like the old Imperial Japan. Afghanistan is being vacated for Red China's expansion and World Conquest. Please donate [more] discreetly to Hunter.

Red China's moribund caveman leadenship doesn't seem to grasp the simple fact that its expansion destabilizes and probably leads to a rupture via a phase change. Love those { calls for independent CoViD-19 origin investigation } honeysuckles from Kanga and Roo, don't we all ?

The breakup of Yugoslavia and the bloody aftermath offer an excellent example for the consequences of the quest for a Greater Serbia. Serbia was a bit like a [southern mini-] Russia embedded in the former U.S.S.R. Russia has embarked on a [Russian-speaking Russian-armed "Little-Greenbacked Martian Multi-Polar Bears with horsey feet"] campaign to reconstitute Greater Russia by invading Ukraine.

Peoples' United-Rustian Bonk is afraid of prayers. "Be afraid, be afraid, be very afraid." Where do the troops in Afghanistan go to boost hematocrit ?

Be wary of financial institutions creating faked transactions. Recall how 2008 World-Wide Fraud had come about ? Exceptionally low-interest-rate loans being pushed to any adult having a pulse foretold of a catastrophe of Greed, innovated by J.P. Morgan Chase and quickly sold off to the others ( create a financial WMD and proliferate it worldwide; also blessed be the offspring of Nimrods who get goodies ). "Cash is Trash" until "Cash is King" when there is too much "Trash" in the "global saving glut." Credit isn't cash but convertible to cash as long as someone believes. A belief can collapse near instantaneously.

It's why prayers can be so scary ! Especially those of some Rustian Jehovah's Witnesses who didn't believe in blood transfusions.

The U.S. doesn't need to station a permanent military force in Afghanistan to protect our national security. As long as we GUARD OUR BORDERS WITH VIGILANCE ( not ignoring legal transgressions on our borders { mostly international airports } in order to garner more future votes; we've imported alpha variant in last year and delta variant in this year, enough already ! I went to too many [lucky though small-crowd] funerals and [unlucky] non-funerals just to "process the corpse before it decays too much" ) and retribute with high compound interest rates, we can shed far more blood, kill and maim more people than any country in human history. Although we didn't use it much, human cleansing works. Eventually even cavemen will learn of and respect our gunslinger-turned-cleanser culture.

How was the West won ? Hmm... First Amendment, Second Amendment... Anyone who wants to avoid getting into [deep] troubles with the U.S. needs to understand the foundation upon which we built our nation and pushed our frontier westward. The U.S. westward push stopped in the 1950s with Hawai'ī partly because of the not-worth-Americanizing Philippines ( a legacy from Teddy Roosevelt's days, another legacy being Puerto Rico ). Dad said, "[Unlike Bobbies,] U.S. policemen carry guns."

I learnt religions more from island countries' cultural outreach than from the U.S. mainland. It was a rather memorable experience to discover that foreigners could chant what my Mom was chanting when I was a young child and I could actually follow along by heart. Repetition makes memory permanent. Besides in upper Manhattan's 157th & 149th St. subway stations, Red China is still optimizing flooded terrace farming, in a metro train & station, and in W. Europe. We must strengtheningly improve our flood- and drought-resisting technologies worldwide to perfect ubiquitous terrace farming. CCP believes in coal's power to change people's lives. 2030 Lock-in !

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Re. Afghanistan - "Graveyard of Empires" ... "but alas, also an early grave for so many of its long suffering people", consider the following points and observations, via this link:

and then just simply ... FK OFF - U shit-spewing self-absorbed, fkn moron! "ME, Me, me" and "I, I, i" narcissism about fk only knows what - means your b-s opinions count for sweet fk-all on this thread!

ZERO recourse to the link to the prior reply & spewing utter fkn drivel .. means piss off with your b-s emanating from your bowels as opposed to your brains! Again gripes - NO one is reading your crap!

et temet nosce!

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

As Afghanistan's Space Force of 0 Commander-In-Chief, I present to the world the intelligence about the Wealth of Afghanistan ready to make Afghanis wealthy.

People, peace begets prosperity. Opportunity lies under your feet "as dirt". It takes a Mind's Eye to see it. Of course, not everyone is 'pure' ( per Iranian standard ). This time is Red China's turn to play 'Empire'.

"I can smell the mud in your speech." Guess what ? My Grandpa was far wealthier than his grandchildren because he owned mud, lots and lots of it ( and with occasional flood-victim human skeletons emerging, too ). You've got to appreciate the beauty of mud. Where's Russia's city of mud ? Definitely not a shabby place because without it Nazi Germany would have conquered the U.S.S.R. 》Sprechen Sie Deutsch, mein Herr ?《 Нет !

See, I can "fk off" when I no longer hear "the Sound of Silence" with my 'retarded' tinnitus. Resonance due to vibrations in synchrony is necessary for detection. Human ears have tiny harps, too, to be able to hear the music of the harp. Synchrony of the phases of two harmonics ( i.e. monotones of possibly the same or different frequencies ) is necessary for the accumulated energy over time of the mixture of the two waves to average to a nonzero value for detection. A radio has a tunable oscillator. A television set has a tunable oscillator, and so on. A blacksmith striking a heat-softened iron rod at different protruded lengths generates different pitched sounds.

Oscillators upon oscillators upon.. can trace out ARBITRARY continuous curves. In a similar way in pre-Copernicus astronomy, an epicycle upon another epicycle upon.. traced out the orbit of a planet with great precision. Newtonian mechanics coupled with Copernicus' Sol-centric ideology did away with these epicycles while surpassing their computational accuracy.

During physics' quest to solve the wave equation modeling traveling waves on a string with both ends tied down and freely vibrate with small amplitudes in-between the two ends, there emerged two seemingly rather distinctive solutions: one has two arbitrary continuous waves traveling in opposite directions while the other is the sum of sine waves anchored at both ends. Since these solutions must be the same, having come from the same equation and boundary conditions modeling a single physical string, an arbitrary continuous wave can be represented as the sum of sine waves. The first Fourier series was thus born. This was a GIGANTIC BREAKTHROUGH in physics allowing many linear differential equations describing physical systems to be solved via series expansions. Examples of these include Maxwell's equation(s), wave equation, heat equation, diffusion equation, Schrödinger's equation, etc.

Differential equations can describe how a set of variables co-evolve with each other over time. A physical system has properties modeled by variables so differential equations can model how a physical system's properties co-evolve with each other over time, and thus allowing predictions thereby fulfilling the primary quest of Science. There are renormalized laws of Science. A long bout of extremely dry weather in U.S. West tends to make a ferocious wildfire season likely. A simple way to observe approximately how wet the weather has recently been is to take a look at a reservoir's water level. Great civilizations monitored this because "life is electric fire burning slowly in water." Water-users' behaviors must change as potable water becomes scarcer. 》Alte Not gilt es zu zwingen

In my young childhood in our shantytown, we lived only upon the potable water fetched by my Big Brother so we were "camping" and always brushed our teeth using only a single cup of potable water. We didn't take showers but having soapy wet towel wipe downs every day upon waking up and before sleeping: one facial towel, one towel for the body, and one for the feet. We used a small basin of potable water for the face first, then used the same water for the body, and finally with the feet. We never mixed up the towels but transitioned them in the same order down the body towards the feet as they got worn down ( they were of different colors and we hung them out to be dried by the sun so they were often bleached and disinfected by the ultraviolet light in sunlight and wind-dried ). Usually, every weekend or so we took a bath with a big basin of water ( in winter, with a kettle of heated water mixed in to warm up the water first -- hygiene and personal comfort were important to us; these were typical American values we had even before we moved here from Greater America to become real U.S. citizens; Mom was a babysitter for a very wealthy family living in a "security-caged" mansion requiring a long lead time of two hours for arranging security-detail vehicle(s) and guard entourage before going outside { she said that it was as if they were living in a prison except that she could apply for a parole-equivalent; think about why authoritarian rulers can obtain such uniformity of votes in favor of their motions; thousands of highly secured "free" democratic representatives all concur; a heavily armored G-man comes and says, "You're under my security protection per Supreme Central's kindness; for your own good and Materland, Obey." }; I believe that she picked up quirky & delicious ideas from her work such as poaching eggs in boiled Coca-Cola(R) to make sweet egg-drop soup containing poached eggs -- didn't the boiling drive away all of that effervescence from the expensive soda ? Her reaction to me when I suggested that I should drink the extra coffee left over in the pot after a guest had visited us made me feel that coffee was an adult aphrodisiac because she said, "Children must not drink coffee -- its power is too great !" )

More recently in experimenting with water conservation techniques ( California's reservoir water level reported in the news alarmed me ), I came up with a few. I can reduce dishwashing water usage to near zero. The Indians pour a little bit of drinking water into their food container after eating a meal using it to rinse down and swallow any food residue. I having watched the video regarding the Avars of the steppe of Mongolia having their women lick clean to dry their bowls tried likewise combining Indian food-calorie efficiency with steppe monolingual dish-cleaning method, it worked well. I used a single medium-size smooth(for licking)-edged single-hand-held bowl for every meal, washed it clean afterwards by hand and rinsed it with a quarter cup of potable water to set it for the next meal. I completely did away with using an automatic dishwasher. The go-everywhere Corningware(R) caught my eyes at Mom's place partly because I saw its potential to eliminate dishwashing altogether, yay ! ( if it were made in a smooth shape for licking; also food containing nitrates if contaminated by bacteria may produce nitrites/nitrosamines over time especially overnight which can trigger stomach cancer if eaten; hence fruits' and vegetables' dishes are best eaten up completely while fresh and not stored overnight to be eaten on the next day; for the same nitrate-nitrite/nitrosamine reason, it's best to minimize eating cured meats to avoid stomach [a.k.a. gastric] cancer )

In my effort to control relative humidity to below 44% ( usually on hot summer days; winter heating usually dries up the air to below 44% already so I would neither run an air-conditioner nor a dehumidifier to dry it ), I generated cool distilled water so I used it to wash my feet in a basin. It was very pleasant for me on hot days. It evoked my happy childhood memories of wading in a near-mountaintop spring's brook on Unicorn Ridge trying to catch tiger-striped/zebra fish ( for me, as always, 'zero' fish but so what ? all die in captivity anyway, i.e. ones my Big Brother caught & brought home for me to take care of; they likely died of low oxygen living in water which didn't run & bounce around; { my guppies were far more long-lived in captivity, for years in multiple generations, but still mothers eating their young babies took a toll & all eventually died out } I'm a pro-lifer so zero dying under my care was the best, as guaranteed by having caught 'zero'; it's a fun experience splashing around with an 'aim', not really about catching, like a sport fisherman -- who seemed to me to be catching & releasing the same fish ) and crayfish ( not a prawn or a crawfish, so my naming of it revealed my cultural affinity's geographical focus: Honolulu was as close to my birth city Hong Kong in Asia as any U.S. city could be ) with a handkerchief. I dried my feet with the foot towel after cleaning with soap & rinsing with warm water. Hopefully, these techniques help Californians & other drought-stricken people of the U.S. West ( or Iran ) improve their water usage efficiency while maintaining great personal comfort.

At what winding frequency do you vibrate to un-mix my bucket of paint ? Why do stars twinkle but planets don't blink ? That's due to coherence & incoherence of light's phases leading to interference interaction or not.

Pythagoras' venerable /R. Langland's intuition about arbitrary<->geometry<->discrete Cosmos may yet come true. It's all beauty & music to our senses ( as protected under the linchpin First Amendment to U.S. Constitution ).

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Re. "Afghanistan" OR anything else on this still extant forum, gropes .. just fk off &/or note:

For 1/2 hour, gripes' brainfart^was just 4 lines but after sniffing them up, he's spewing again!

U've already identified your Mom, dad & brother as racists gripes, so - what about Grandpa?

minima maxima sunt!

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

Corruption isn't an excuse to hold back improving Afghanis' living conditions. Corruption is to be confronted and cut out. Hong Kong's Colonial Police was corrupt but it was greatly improved after the replacement of its Governor had injected Red China's and Hong Kong people's Will to clean up Hong Kong before its handover in 1997. Red China's relative weakness after its Cultural Devolution made it willing to compromise with the British Colonial Government despite its actually holding decisive control over Hong Kong if it so wished.

Most of Hong Kong's food and water came from Red China. How many British Military's Gurkhas could the British field to fight against the PLA located just next door ? It's even true that 99% of the people in Hong Kong were either born Chinese or of Chinese descent. Chinese have this idea of the country being one "Big Family" so China tolerated the indifference or even endured the hostility ( one reason why some Chinese had ended up in Hong Kong was because they { such as dispossessed landlords, confiscated business owners, and former military people who had fought against the Communists } had problems with or disliked Red China ) of its "Lost Children" of the Century of Humiliation.

Hong Kong Police was cleaned up after a long grace period. The Will was there and the Means ( a British Governor, an old-China hand who had trained Chinese guerillas to fight the Imperial Japanese ) was also there so corruption was greatly diminished to make Hong Kong Police become the least corrupt "Asia's Finest" or nearly so. The Afghan people need to push hard to get rid of corruption.

NYPD taught me a long time ago via victim blaming that "Racism" works to prevent crimes. We didn't have much idea about races ( overwhelmingly one single race at 99% Chinese; I had never met an American Black person while in Hong Kong, not even a natural-colored image except for an advertising caricature one with extremely white teeth and a "watermelon" smile on a toothpaste container; on our black-and-white TV, everyone was black, gray, and blue-tinted white; Muhammad Ali "I am the Greatest !!!" was a genuine American Black whose TV image I saw ) until we got to the U.S. I would say that we had all learnt in the school of hard knocks how important "Racism" is for keeping our personal properties and security. It's just a fact of life which had taken us decades to learn the "prudence". I therefore point it out to spare people who try to understand or live in the U.S. the UNNECESSARY GRIEF.

Hiring Whites may be worthwhile even at their higher wages, as Joe Biden had already pointed out that the easy path to finding employees quickly was to increase the wages offered to them. This is why Whites have become preferable because they generally want and get higher wages so they have become more employable. In practice, "Racism" works !

Make no mistake. People such as customers usually prefer Whites. It's best for businesses to get rid of the undesirables at this great opportunity made possible by Red China's CCP's extremely malevolent decisions to weaponize the virus in service of "the program."

Businesses' purpose in Capitalism as practiced in the U.S. is to make profits ( not all businesses are for profit ). "Racism" helps to achieve this purpose. It's actually performance [at all costs], which most investors crave.

Here's a good advice for people who know the police: DON'T GO to the places where the police are very reluctant to patrol and often offload the tasks to minority cops such as Asians. The police know the statistics and want to be able to come home safely from their shifts to their families. Some areas in Brooklyn are quite notorious. Manhattan also had "ABC town" now Alphabet City near which young Black males robbed and brutally assaulted my Mom during "the Black Mayor's" administration when Blacks had "gained an entitled attitude" { chaos was actually gathering increasing strength prior to Dinkins' administration; the lead-up to my familial security catastrophe of 1987 started prior to 1987 due to the wanton lawlessness in one of Brooklyn's notorious "thieves' nest" "urban-enterprise-zone" neighborhoods, not Brooklyn Heights; decades later, I still tried to heal the lingering wounds present on the wheelchair as well as the sorrow deep in the hearts of most members of my parental family; wounds would "heal" when all of the characters involved had been "gathered to our people" } and New York had gained a reputation of being a "big humongous piece of rotten pork" according to a hiring manager. Guess why New Yorkers then voted for Giuliani as the next mayor ? No mystery there -- he wasn't Black and was a prosecutor ! Shove-it-up-the-Black-anus police repression "worked" and took back the streets. [Black] squeegee men were no more. New York became much safer than before to become "the safest big city in America."

Here's my life experience about locations. Locations don't really matter as much as the people who would be there with you. They can make any place Heaven and/or Hell for you. The security of an area determines whether it can advance, economically. Peace is the handmaiden of prosperity. The reason that some areas remain urban blight zones is because the residents living there actively drive out with their behaviors any venture-some entrepreneurs. Jews from the old Jews-Blacks civil-rights alliance could honestly say, "Bye, bye, Blacks !" as they have already moved to the upper class since those shoulder-to-shoulder days collaborating ( and at times, also breeding as 近墨者黑 ) with the Blacks. Why did Jews and Blacks split ? Note that these are American Jews here, not in Israel which got billions upon billions dollars worth of U.S. foreign aid so money wasn't the reason but values. Jews have a certain Culture !

When did you see a young Black person put in front of a congregation of hundreds to recite by heart a Holy-Book passage ? Jews do that to their children who must learn Hebrew, a once dead language, in order to recite. They have extremely highly regarded solemn rituals and spent tons of money on a community celebration when their kids have achieved, be it a bar mitzvah ( for boy ) or a bat mitzvah ( for girl ). I doubt that it was the learning of Hebrew per sé which was significant but the teaching of the lesson of successfully overcoming difficulties, achieving, and becoming accepted into a { 近朱者赤, 近墨者黑。 } LITERATE community. A real adult Jew knows at least some Hebrew. ( When I come to think of this issue of childhood education, I recall that my Chinese education included learning Chinese proverbs, some classics, and stories such as the one about a crane on a beach pecking into a big heavy clam to eat its flesh and its beak was caught tightly by the clam so it could neither eat nor fly away, and after days with both sides not yielding despite either side not winning a bit, a fisherman spotted them, carried them home, cooked and ate them both; as Afghanistan will soon have a chance to attain a long-lasting peace without much American military presence, Afghanis can learn from the moral of this story that yielding a bit may be wiser than holding on to all one can; Afghanistan's to the Afghanis, as Iraq's to the Iraqis. U.S. values fair election results { it's the reason why I consider that Trump's Big Lie about Biden's legitimacy from the 2020 election is a CANCER on the U.S. The election results were unsettled for a short while because of the closeness of the election but the integrity of the election had certainly been well established by the time of the January 6th insurrection storming our people's Capitol; there must be no tycoon's roadblock to our Constitution. } )

There is a difference between a Jew and an Israeli. Many people don't seem to grasp that distinction. People and their government can be on opposite extremes because not every country's government is under the control of its people. In many cases, the governments are in fact the kidnappers holding their peoples as their enslaved captives.

Enhanced environment worked for me. Let much shit be thrown onto the wall. Some might actually stick to and build up the Great Wall of Redfuckgina. Culture, information, knowledge, and wisdom can be taught and learnt. Hanging around with people of different cultures can open one's mind and make one question one's own culture, possibly leading to a beneficial improvement. Mental intensity and capacity differ between people but having much over-my-head information is vastly more preferable to having too little information inhibiting my ability to understand ( I've spent a lot of unnecessary effort to transcend the limitations of a so-called simplified model which breaks down and has to be discarded ). I don't want to become yet another spoon-fed mental zombie animated by so many authoritarian states and dictatorships. I assume that some people can think for themselves. God planted TWO central Eden trees.

I'm not an extremist who seeks to control people by filtering what they can see, hear, and feel ( I had to hold back my giggling to myself when I discovered that an internet content filter filtered away its maker because it was evaluated to be obscene -- deus ex machina; our "mind children" learn ruthless brutal absurd "morality" because they have been created in our image ! ) Control freaks' behaviors speak volumes about their depraved and/or deprived upbringing. Totalitarians and authoritarians are shitty possessive fools and know it but cannot extricate themselves due to "what's in men's hearts."

I'm a gradualist who prefers looking far ahead and steering gently as if I were on a high-speed expressway.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

So, re. Afghanistan ... just what the fuck has that b-s, self-referential screed got to do with anything,

whatsoever - U annoyingly dumb fkn numpty?! Here, try this instead IF U really want to stay on topic:

ad iudicium?!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"The Taliban Explained . . . "

"The armed group is all set to retake power 20 years after it was removed from power in a US-led military invasion" & this link is perhaps best read, after the link (on this thread) in the reply above^.

ad iudicium?

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

So finally - "U.S. completes evacuation from American embassy in Kabul"! ... by Rebecca Falconer:

omnia causa fiunt ...

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

"What did 20 years of western intervention in Afghanistan achieve?"

Domestic tranquillity !

I remembered quite clearly when the ultimatum was sent and not complied with so we have seen many of the consequences already, I hope. It's a civilizational conflict between Islamic customs regarding hosting guests and the Western idea of surrendering criminals to the justice of laws.

The redemption of the social status of the Irish in the U.S. was due to this change in behavior. Rather than harboring criminals, the Irish gave them up to the rule of law. Guess what is true on the streets of the U.S. nowadays regarding the police ? Many of them are of Irish descent whereas in the olden days, the Irish were mostly on the being-caught, not the catching side. Some of us poor children of my shantytown or other nearby neighborhoods also made the switch. I regret that we [probably stole and] ate some guavas ( I ate about a half of a guava and sucked the nectar of about two flowers from 兒童花果山 ) because I remember that I climbed a wall following many other children whom I didn't know.

I pretty much knew that Afghanistan would behave as it did regarding the U.S. ultimatum. Allahu Akbar conquers all ! The Taliban even exploded the great cliff-rock carved Buddha. I said to myself at the time, "Artistic brutes who didn't recognize the value of money to be made ! Poor on..."

Islamic State In the Levant had no better regard for artworks. It's unsurprising that they also destroyed so many Syrian antique treasures although they made some money ( the real value of artistic treasures is in the eyes of the beholders where integrity, flawlessness, beauty, pedigree, and authenticity in later Western artworks command the most significant premium of the valuation; looking at the ISIL artworks sold, one could see that they were coming from artistic brutes alright; okay, I didn't start out with the hands-off attitude either regarding beautiful artworks as I was a bit tactile such as running my fingers over feathers or silk but a museum guard taught me that I shouldn't touch them because there could be many people who would also touch and damage the artworks; Mom told me of how brightly gleaming the two bronze lion sculptures situated beside the front entrance of the Hong-Kong-Shanghai Bank's iconic building became due to their being patted and touched by Hong Kongers after these sculptures, which meant a lot emotionally to Hong Kongers, had been reclaimed from the defeated Japanese invaders, thanks to the Allied countries; if they were more fragile than bronze, they would have been loved so much that the caresses destroyed them; I'm socialist as far as leaving beautiful artworks for others to behold.) Islam is a blackhole religious culture wherein the Quran could not be destroyed. Even as patriotic Americans, we burn our worn-out weather-battered flags.

Here's the not-so-secret at all secret of why the U.S. seems more modern than many countries: we destroy the old worn-out buildings. I remember when we griped about Germany and Japan having spiffy new and gleaming infrastructure, their people suggested that we Americans simply bomb out our old infrastructure to replace it with a new one. They had a point ! Bombing out our old infrastucture wasn't too costly but we weren't stupid, okay ?

The Germans and Japanese have more modern infrastructure because the U.S. had bombed out much of their old infrastructure ! I preferred good old [durable] American infrastructure, at least for a while ( so as not to produce unnecesary debris and be more economical leaving financial resources over for other worthwhile purposes; of course, we must fix things greatly because I could see that our infrastructure had been neglected for at least 40 years already, { we just couldn't figure out how many Demonkrapts-owned cars a pothole hits in an average day and how many Retard-I-Can'ts-owned cars the same pothole hits in the same average day to decide whether the pothole should be patched up; not patching potholes has greatly contributed to cars being damaged thus creating more car-repair jobs in order to maintain U.S. leadership in Gross Domestic Product } with gasoline taxes funneled to pet projects having almost nothing to do with transportation, such as the very unpopular few-people-use-it bridge to a nowhere in Alaska, a formerly Russian territory, but when the Russians built a bridge to nowhere in Moscow, it became a wildly popular destination with the Russian people and others as a journey going from the START to the START because for the [alpha] males who never get lost "the journey is the destination;" in our world which is fundamentally of quantum nature, any event is possible due to the nonzero probabilities so the boulder Sisyphus pushes uphill may appear miraculously on the other side of the hill after being pushed enough times in Faith; yes, quantum miracles happen all the time worldwide and in space at the insulating thin-metal-oxide junctions between neighboring conductors whenever electricity flows through them,) okay ! No bombings en masse.

A successful security operation is one for which nothing significant or out of the ordinary has happened. In 20 years of war in Afghanistan, I could barely count with the fingers of one hand the number of large-scale terrorist attacks in the U.S. so that is success !

I think that the Russians also have a similar definition of counter-terrorism success. They gifted us a gigantic memorial sculpture of a hung nickel-surfaced tear drop imitating the clitoris dangling between two supporting "labias." I don't take any offense at its suggestive appearance because of the necessity of the supports. Also the foundation of every society starts with the clitoris and vaginas. Out of where else could I as a pre-neonate have naturally come, when done ?

Can you guess who supported my Dad when he got out of a POW camp in Germany for hauling American Appalachian coal to England during the exceptionally cold winter of 1939-1940 and a South African jail for challenging Apartheid ? Hong Kong was shortly overrun by the Imperial Japanese Army after the global pinball got back to his home away from home. It took a Japanese woman to rehabilitate him, at least partly due to his Dad's connection made decades ago.

Meanwhile, who else but my Mom was alone raising their kid by running supplies to the guerillas fighting against the Imperial Japanese Army ? Wars yield full employment for the women supporting the men fighting in the war or who were stranded by them.

Russia's arms industry's business is impacted by Red Chinese copycat arms, too, no different from New York's now-extinct clothing industry.

I have a novel idea how to solve the excessive amount of radioactive water problem for Japan. Pay a tipping fee for North Korea to take it away to store at their nuclear weapons test site for permanent storage ( and recrystallization cleansing via North Korea's cold winters; remember how we achieve 99.999999999% purity silicon ? Electrolysis to generate hydrogen to synthesize ammonia and fertilizer may also separate light water from the heavier water as Nazi Germany had tried to do in Norway to support creating the first German nuclear bomb during WWII ) or pour it into the Yalu River ( patent pending ). New Jersey has the New Jersey Turnpike so North Korea has the Yalu River. People can geolocate themselves by smell to Elizabeth, New Jersey and I believe that Winnie the Pooh can also geolocate itself by smell up a honey tree.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

So "Domestic tranquillity" is your answer to "What did 20 years of western intervention in Afghanistan

achieve?" is it?!!! U shit-spewing fkn moron!! U don't know squat about Afghanistan or the U$A it seems

dick, so perhaps read my 8 year old comment and any links U find, immediately below &, get a fkn clue!

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

Afghanistan is the proverbial graveyard of empires because it doesn't offer much that is worthwhile to empires. Historically it has largely been poor ( and geographically remote due to its height, coldness, and far-inland location ) after the Mongol conquerors had slaughtered the people and destroyed it while sweeping through.

Opium poppies were pretty much the most profitable crop they could grow there. Initially in the N.A.T.O. occupation of parts of Afghanistan, the policy regarding opium poppy crop was to have them burnt and destroyed but that spurred insurgency because the local people's livelihoods had been destroyed. The policy was thus changed to preserve the local people's opium-poppies-based livelihoods.

N.A.T.O. wasn't there to fight a drug war. N.A.T.O. was there to fight the terrorists and anyone and anything standing in the way. The Talibans happened to be in the way due to how they had behaved regarding Al Qaeda. I know that the Talibans fought the opium poppies trade so their removal from being in power certainly had the side effect of letting the opium poppies trade to grow back again, to pre-Taliban levels probably.

People of a fixed political view put out the narrative that the U.S. had been defeated in Afghanistan. I doubt it because not having foreign terrorist news has been good news. I have frankly not taken much interest anymore in Afghanistan for a long while already because we have a lot more domestic terrorists to be dealt with.

Afghanistan has already become safer than some of our decayed cities which we Americans have already ignored and forgotten for at least decades ( as far as I could determine within my lifetime.) Over a rambunctious weekend, a U.S. city such as Chicago or Indianapolis alone could have incurred more American deaths than in Afghanistan for a month ! I really believe that the U.S. can sustain the so-called war in Afghanistan indefinitely as long as someone there still has the desire to attack an American. I didn't and don't say that there is a war going on in Chicago or other U.S. cities which often has worse violence.

Nowadays we have mass or sub-mass shootings on a near-daily vitamin-pill basis domestically so regarding Afghanistan I have this verdick: hohum -- better than [gutsy] Chicago !

I'm not surprised by the recent [just sub-mass] shootings such as in Texass. It wasn't just in Texass, though, things in New York pretty much went the same way under the administration of Mayor Dinkins who happened to be a Black male. Many Asians were robbed and my Mom was robbed and thrown down upon the concrete stairways to a subway platform and lost most of her teeth. What did she remember ? The robbers were all Black males. So were the three robbers who robbed me. I attest that these three Black males all had their nostrils pointing downwards so my Mom's spectacularly successful method for identifying bad people would have worked if I had seen them coming ( they stalked me so I didn't discern the direction of their nostrils thereby giving them the benefits of the doubt and they eventually jumped me from behind.) Here's an advice from a nearby apparently well-robbed resident: don't yell, "Help !" in densely populated areas because probably no one would come to help but yell, "Fire !" instead and they would come out of their residences to check whether their homes would be affected.

It's exactly the same sage advice I had learnt from studying the teachings of Buddha. A lie serving a noble end is also noble. A truth which can harm may be held back as tact calls for or goodwill demands. I told a youngster who had just got his very-own first brand-new personal microcomputer: "You can try all of the commands in the DOS commands' directory but not the FORMAT command. For if and when you issue the DOS FORMAT command to your brand-new microcomputer, it will surely die ! " Did God actually know the consequences of Adam's eating a fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil ? Did God lie about Adam surely dying after eating such a fruit ? Adam certainly didn't die immediately after eating it but he surely got a huge problem with it afterwards. He must have a new birth of freedom and live a new life.

My Mom's and my experiences of being robbed by Black males are the empirical City of New York criminal data for you to contemplate.

Never hiring any Black males is actually a far more efficient, workable, ( as long as an employer claims that not hiring them is due to performance, which is actually a true statement; my Mom, for example, didn't have a second set of her own teeth to be broken; she obviously would behave a bit more like Obama's maternal grandmother, clutching her pocketbook tighter whenever a Black male comes near, or walk across the street to avoid him; it's violence distancing as NYPD had taught me before by its victim blaming; if a girl gets raped, it's because she has dressed or behaved too provocatively so Islam the peace-loving religion has custom-designed protective measures for her: have her cover up her sin-and-crime-causing sensuous hair and curvaceous body; I didn't need Islam's custom social conditioning because the beautiful pubescent girl babysitting me had already given me my micro-bachelor's party when I was four or five years old; for my not having become a Muslim, God blesses her ! she had to have loved me so much as to prompt me to start using the scientific method partnering with my neighborhood boy playmate who introduced me to the garbage dumps: a very small one on the side of a small grove of bamboos { just before which my Big Brother took the first stamp-size black-and-white photograph of me in a baby-walker and another one with the black neighborhood dog 阿烏; I wonder what its fate was because I didn't remember seeing it much later on; did it die peacefully, naturally in ripe old age, or was it mistaken as an escapee and captured by the dog farm 狗場 located down the slope where our [encircled-in-red] shantytown's waste-water ditch runs, eventually joining Phoenix Creek/Brook, 鳳凰溪, characters written alongside in red color on the map ? then being clubbed to death after having been caught into a sack, spit-mounted, cigarette-lighter-dehaired, cooked, sold, and eaten; a large fraction of the people don't eat dogs at all -- eating dog meat seemed to be a southern Chinese cultural thing; our shantytown was largely populated by more northern people displaced by wars in the North and the Middle, mostly in the fiercely contested Middle because both the Communist and Japanese land forces swept southward from the North } situated next to the main entrance walkway's rock-slab stair steps { down towards what is now a lower level of Fung Tak Park near its entrance } and the other much larger one on the other side of that walkway; yeah, there can be mad scientists so we definitely need morals as well as artistic no-touching appreciation, ) and effective selective strategy to minimize employment-place violence than my Mom's tried-and-true method of avoiding my being caught by a kidnapper or terrorist while I was playing in our shantytown's garbage dump.

The Jewish experience with the Blacks during their alliance in the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s showed that Jews can "Whiten" but Blacks are stuck in a rut. Why is that so ? The Jews have bar and bat mitvahs where the youngsters face a large audience to prove their literacy while the Blacks have a riptide deriding the conventional societal successes as "White" virtues, as opposed to "Black" virtues, such as starting street violence. Of course, I'm not saying that being "Whitened" as the Jews were is all good because the younger Jews have picked up the skin-color aversion from White culture as well. ( If one uses an inactivated adenovirus to vector the DNA of a CoViD-19 vaccine, one may get an undesirable effect from the adenovirus' own DNA, too.) I say that the difference between a Jewish, a Black, and a semiconductor-enabled Mind Child may very well be due to the version of the software loaded into them. Education is software loading via machine learning and training of neural circuits forming networks, both wet and dry, electrochemical or electrophysical.

NYPD's crime prevention method of telling victims past and future to exercise distancing, works. Discerning skin color worked pretty well in my judgment ( and as shown in crime statistics ) at least since I've arrived in the U.S. in the early 1970s. Violence against Asian Americans has existed since the 1960s ( as far back as I could get with word-of-mouth talks.) There was a lull after the rise of the Asian gangs which grew out of the reactions to being bullied but this cure could be drastic ( i.e. gruesome.) Bruce Lee started his fighting career in the streets.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Afghanistan’s Socialist Years: The promising future killed off by U.S. Imperialism"! ... by Marilyn Bechtel:

No idea wtf your ever-expanding reply is about - because of course I didn't read it bar the racist bit at the

end. U wrote of your racist dad not long ago & now - your racist mom completes the RW trifecta! Racism

is just ignorant human hating & that speaks volumes of U and your parents. Is/was your brother, another

rancid racist retard? Nevermind. Just stick to things to do with Afghanistan perhaps on this thread .. dolt!

et nosce te ipsum!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Today’s Crisis in Afghanistan Grew Out of 20 Years of US War"! - by DemNow! (Video)

respice; adspice; prospice!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"We Created Al Qaeda"! - a few accidental Insights via HRC's own words:

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

What did the peoples and countries near Afghanistan do to secure Afghanistan after the collapse of the U.S.S.R. and the early 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center ?

The U.S. has interest in global security because it's the largest maritime "empire" in terms of its exclusive economic zone. What's land-locked Afghanistan's interest to the U.S. ? The U.S. protects shipping largely to support the postwar global order forged under U.S. leadership. Japan with its huge population must be fed and energized via global shipping or its people would have gone rogue in East Asia as they had done before against major world powers. China, Russia, U.K., France, Germany, and the U.S. should still have people who know about this pitfall ( which major world power, their overseas colonies, or territories, haven't been attacked by Japan ? ) It took quite an effort to have calmed down this Japan's military quest for an empire. Japan must re-embark on its conquests if this U.S. demilitarization of Japan goes without concomitant shipping security guarantee currently provided by the U.S. Navy with global coverage ( I frankly don't see any country right now which can fill in the shoes of the U.S. to stabilize Japan so it may stay as peaceful and prosperous as it has become since nearly 76 years ago.)

Thanks to the U.S. exclusively possessing nuclear bombs in 1945, Japan was preserved as one single coherent nation instead of two hostile nations: the Democratic People's Republic of Japan DPRJ and the nuclear-armed Republic of Japan ROJ, analogous to the nuclear-armed DPRK and ROK on the Korean peninsula just next door or the DDR and BRD in Central Europe which had taken the near collapse of the U.S.S.R. to reunite. ( What collapse will it take for achieving Korean peninsula's reunification ? My guess is the near collapse of Red China which is quantity but not quality as far as Chinese heritage culture is concerned. It tastes like my high school lunch tray's water-boiled Brussel sprouts -- lathering them with ample bloody red catsup made a potential girlfriend go, "Eeew !" because it violated her sensibility. Just beyond the dog farm 狗場 south of our shantytown in the morning after Typhoon 颱風 Wanda https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Wanda_(1962)

had passed through driving a huge turtle, a semi- ¡ aquatic creature ! apparently fearful of being drowned, lumbering across our front yard escaping from Phoenix Brook 鳳凰溪 side during the moment of reprieve from the 暴風驟雨 heavy pelting rain, I first encountered catsup between 8 a.m. and 10 a.m. on September 2nd, 1962, when my Big Brother bought me a bowl of boat congee, 艇仔粥, for breakfast and introduced me to the condiments: sweet red sauce and spicy-hot yellow sauce. I tried both and didn't go with the mustard sauce because I was a young child at the time with highly sensitive taste buds :-P . ) Systemic difference artificially created can cause long-smoldering disputes and conflicts. The only way out is the cessation of hostility but that requires human cleansing or enlightenment. In either way there's the smell of iron blood in mounds of cadavers or piles of hemorrhoids if there wasn't a sufficient amount of "holy" water.

The U.S. "beef" with the Taliban was the Islamic tribal custom of the treatment of guests. Taliban didn't need to cooperate with the U.S. to surrender Osama bin Laden so the U.S. didn't need to take "no" for an answer, either. The thing got done alright, according to the ancient law. Islam won, didn't it ? Mark 10:9 Allahu Akbar !!!

Land people and sea people usually don't have any conflict with each other due to the different spheres of interest but their lands being used as a terrorist base mattered to others. Things would have turned out very differently if the Taliban had given up Osama bin Laden per U.S. request in its ultimatum.

In order to avoid unnecessary bloodbaths here and elsewhere in the world, we must secure our borders. If those 9-11-2001 attackers had been denied visas or blocked at ports of entry, Iraq and Afghanistan would probably have been left alone. Iraq was broken because its leader wanted to play games with the terms of the peace deal after the invasion and liberation of Kuwait so "things happen," not only to the leader.

If Saudi Arabia had avoided teaching and funding hatred all over the world, the misfortunes of both Iraq and Afghanistan probably wouldn't have happened at all. Despite the U.S. handing their country back to the Kuwaitis, the Kuwaitis still aren't happy with "the infidels." Who teaches about "the infidels" ? Of course, we the Americans and the Arabs have vast cultural differences but there isn't any reason why both sides can't leave each other alone in peace, considering how vastly apart they physically are. I generally follow Star Fleet prime directive ( non-interference ) if I travel to a different culture. It contributes to peace.

Diversity doesn't have to lead to enmity, a predominantly Islamic and extremely diverse country such as Indonesia hasn't produced terrorists galore. Indonesian Islam is different from Saudi or Pakistani versions for sure, at least in their effects. Practitioners of Islam can be peaceful. I agree with St. Peter regarding some Jewish customs when Christianity was breaking out of its minor Jewish sect heritage. Abram wasn't circumcised when he found favor with the Lord and became Abraham. The Gentiles also ate unclean ( non-kosher ) foods but Peter wouldn't exclude them from becoming Christians. What did Jesus say about clean and unclean foods when compared with clean and unclean "hearts" ?

I give the internet-connected people "a piece of my mind" so I don't mind other people doing the same ( if they could, without repercussions by authoritarian regimes ).

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Re. Afghanistan & while that idiotic, imperialistic hubris of a b-s reply is only

6 lines and 2 paras long . . . see IMMEDIATELY BELOW - U demented fkwit!

I wrote the post below well over 8 years ago & it's as apt now, as it was then!

et temet nosce!

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PS: As the moron has regurgitated more RW MSM b-s - consider these links:

et fiat lux!

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PPS: Just look at the fkn self-absorbed reactionary b-s below - ending with "I agree with Trump" ffs!

et ecce homo!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

There is no requirement in our U.S. courts of law to present evidence of a crime committed in the U.S. for an arrest before our legal system has even got hold of the accused.

There is a requirement to present probable suspicion that the accused has allegedly committed a crime in a U.S. jurisdiction. Osama bin Laden openly invited an ABC news reporter to video-record he and his organization's fighters and broadcast that they would be killing Americans, military or civilian. That was a probable suspicion that he and his organization might have committed a crime in the U.S.

Note that the World Trade Center in Lower Manhattan had previously been bombed in 1993 so there had been investigations into the culprits. In fact, around May of 2001, the alleged culprits were put on trial. The U.S. braced for terrorist retaliations. Some plots were foiled, with the help from our global allies ( thanks ! ) It took more than eight years to gather evidence to put the accused on trial for the 1993 bombing. It's really unsurprising that the U.S. had intelligence about the upcoming 9-11-2001 attacks. Our Bushit-in-Chief basically ignored it. The onus wasn't entirely on Mr. Bushit because the outgoing Clitorites deliberately made assuming power and control by the new administration difficult due to their bitterness about the extremely close 2000 election "Bush[it] stole the election". Many agency leadership positions were still vacant in the months before the 9-11-2001 attacks. There was [probable political] obstruction of the confirmations of the important governmental agencies' heads. The nominations were slow in coming, partly because Mr. Bushit didn't do much on reading resumés until the extremely close election result in Florid-duh was finally settled by the courts.

Here was why I was miffed by Trump's continuing to sow doubts about the integrity of the 2020 election without any substantive evidence. The U.S. had lived through this kind of rancor before and 9-11-2001 attacks, Afghanistan, and Iraq being ruined were the results. Trump shouldn't have become a sore crybaby ( for Mom's butt-spanking sake ! )

Just ask a witness Richard A. Clarke how "the ball" had been fumbled. What was the FBI doing over the weekend before the attacks on Tuesday morning ? FBI agents were frantically looking for the attackers to be ( the FBI had tails on some of them { funded by Saudi Arabia, thus the subsequent post-9-11 hush-hush about the Saudi connection; it's true though that the Saudis gave a lot of money to fund religious hatred schools in many Muslim countries such as Pakistan as well as their thousands of princes, princesses, down-on-their-luck nationals, and Islamic charities, as charity is a pillar of Islamic virtues } due to the previous Islamo-fascist attacks on the World Trade Center and the U.S.S. Cole in Aden, Yemen, the ancestral homeland of the bin-Laden clan ).

Don't give me any bullshit about the U.S. not having any clandestine intelligence and evidence of the activities of the perpetrators of the 9-11-2001 attacks. Also the bombing of U.S.S. Cole in Yemen nearly a year before 9-11-2001 precipated investigations for sure.

It's really a long long story. Richard M. Nixon's Watergate debacle arising from his moral depravity to win an election at any costs triggered Congress to separate intelligence gathering into different spheres of operation. That stovepiping blinded the FBI until it was too late although the NSA knew what was going on but NSA needed to abide by the post-Watergate law not to spy domestically arising from Nixon's moral corruption. The overwhelmingly Saudi-Arabian citizen hijackers were already on U.S. soil so "the ball" was in the FBI's jurisdiction. See, if these hijackers weren't issued visas, the entire chain of disastrous events wouldn't have happened. Bushit's family heritage was in the oil business so there were substantive Saudi connections. Of course, Bushit didn't want any deep probes into Saudi activities on U.S. soil. Trump also has such ties with the Saudis who had helped get him start "becoming a Manhattanite." It was important to him that he wouldn't be seen as being just a young man from Queens. In my opinion, it's more upscale in the Chinese { Trump grew up in a neighborhood with wealthier Chinese moving in there; it might be why he was fairly comfortable with hiring Taiwanese babysitters for his children and it's really unsurprising that Ivanka's daughter was pretty good in Mandarin Chinese despite having a monolingual grandpa Trump } community to be from Elmhurst, Queens, than to be from Chinatown in Manhattan because Elmhurst was more like a suburb decades ago and suburbanites are generally lighter-skinned and wealthier. In the business world, prestige may well be different for Trump because Manhattan is "glitzier" than Elmhurst.

I agree with Trump that being a gridiron Manhattanite bestows the prestige of "being noticed." It's important for a young man starting out in life. "Oh, I saw you walking the other day on XXXX Street after school. I live near there, too," said a young woman. It's like having a "license to roam" little brother in tow, being taken care of.

If your kids are human, they are highly susceptible to catching the delta variant and possibly dying as a result. They are essentially at the beginning of a kiddie pandemic because this variant, unlike the original wild and the alpha variant, has an EXCELLENT key to open the lock to invade human cells as manifested in the very high unmitigated r_0 infecting 8-9 additional people ( yeah, India had mass unprotected non-physical-distancing religious gatherings so any highly infectious variant can attain great evolutionary advantage to dominate so this delta variant wasn't unexpected; this is just India's abundant and cheap import labor moving into your family to infect and cull the unfortunate and/or the unvaccinated; of course, not to be outdone by abundant and cheap Indian imports, Red China had the thousand-people-strong Chinese-New-Year-related Wuhan celebration to ignite the pandemic originally by its extremely malevolent policy decisions to de facto weaponize CoViD-19 after examining how well prepared it was with its PPE production's near-global monopoly, its knowing the viral genome and being able to make and sell who knows how many gadzillions of tests and vaccines, and its population-movement-controlling social-credit system; huge amount of money beckoned; some Chinese scientist leaked the viral genome online that allowed the global community to start making vaccines in the shortest time ever: a handful of days; we, of course, no longer hear of the scientist again, probably shrouded and disappeared into the reddish blackhole event horizon; there can be a difference between peoples and their parasitic governments; belt-and-road initiative = angiogenesis to feed the red cancer; nowadays the CoViD-19 deaths were often for the entire family living together { U.S. family size is much smaller than 8 or 9 so if a healthcare worker has brought home in a so-called breakthrough case the delta variant to the children, they can be wiped out together as a family because the kids are most likely unvaccinated } instead of the previous single individual per family death; this is so even for highly trained frontline vaccinated healthcare workers because there's still a small nonzero chance of 5% or so of vaccinated people catching SARS-CoV-2 & their immunity being ineffective in curbing initial onslaught of delta variant, thus producing 1000 times the viral load, far more than the less infectious previous variants) instead of the previous around 2-3.

Prophylactic measures such as wearing masks tightly covering nose & mouth with a close fit ( shave any facial hair such as moustaches and beard to avoid any leak around a mask -- recall WWI France and Ypres where the Germans first used on a large scale a poison gas ), physical distancing from humans, and washing hands are highly recommended to prevent contagion, disease, financial ruin, and death.

It's important to speed up FDA approval ( with the vaccine trials to establish appropriate child dosage, efficacy, etc. ) of the vaccines for the young children so that they can be vaccinated. Or at least have the experts examine the available scientific data and take a stab at the benefits and costs' tradeoff in order to approve the vaccines for emergency usage in young children. Red China did safety probes in young children ( without their consent, of course ) and had data for some vaccines available then.

Here's hope though for improved human consciousness after the Grim Reaper has swept through again: we're all connected and we're all vulnerable in a similar way by being human. Hong Kong's public health and healthcare went through this gateway about a century ago in the 1920s. Being of a different race and living in a different and more exclusive neighborhood weren't great durable defenses against contagious diseases of the "unwashed masses" in the long run. The obvious antidote to unwashedness was to "wash the masses." It's probably why in Hong Kong, I was taught to wash my hands before every meal and more times whenever they had become contaminated, as soon as I had become a literate child. Hong Kong practiced Capitalism with Socialist characteristics ( primarily in health, some education, and some housing areas; I was moved much closer to within walking distance of a huge library, which had obviously come from a Socialist endeavor to provide the citizenry with all kinds of reading materials; my Big Brother got tired of telling me his made-up epic tale & reading to me a children's magazine so during my second grade, he led me to the library and got me my own library card; I received my { U.S. First Amendment } rights at that time ).

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

With reference to Afghanistan - "Graveyard of Empires" but alas also an early grave for so many of its long suffering people, I re-post the following points and observations :

1) Afghanistan is a multi-ethnic country, made up of Aimaks, Baluchis, Hazaras, Kazahks, Kirghis, Pamiris, Tajhiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks and at ~42% of the total population, the largest single group, the Pashtuns / Pukhtoons (- dependent on Northern or Southern dialects).

2) The historical Pashtun homeland is divided in two by the Afghan / Pakistan border. This porous "border" is in effect the old "Durand Line", the de facto western territorial limit of the British Empire in the Indian subcontinent. The Pashtuns have NEVER recognised this arbitrary line on someone else's map and no external power or authority has ever been able to define it, let alone patrol or police it.

3) Pashtun society is extremely conservative, deeply traditional, unrelentingly patriarchal and tribal. The Women lead difficult lives far removed from any "Liberal Western Norms". A Pashtun is a member of a family group, a sub-clan, a clan and then a tribe. At over 45 million people globally, they are the world's largest tribally affiliated ethnic group.

4) Conservative Sunni Islam (tho' there is one Shia Tribe) and the Lex Talionis, Pre-Islamic honour code "Pashtunwalli", are the law, organisational guidelines and ethical principles by which this proud, fiercely independent and hardy mountain people regulate their society alongside and within their 'Jirga / Shura / Majlis', collective gathering and decision making systems.

5) The phrase "Revenge is a dish best served cold", is the English approximation and appropriation of the Pashtun original. Another Pashtun dictum is: "Me against my brothers; me and my brothers against my cousins; me, my brothers and my cousins against the world". Pashtun males are considered adult at 13 years of age and are honour bound to defend "Zan, Zhar, Zamin" - Women, Wealth and Land. Notions of loyalty and duty to kith and kin, honour, respect, shame, "not losing face" and "dying on one's feet rather than living on one's knees" are central to their world view and modus vivendi.

6) The word "Taliban" simply translates as "Students", as they were originally recruited, equipped and organised with the enthusiastic help, encouragement and funding of the Saudis, ISI, MI6 & CIA from the Madrasas (religious schools) in the numerous Pashtun refugee camps, during and after the war to oust the Soviet armed forces and the devastating civil war that followed it. Their grandfathers and fathers were then of course, known and eulogised as the Anti-Communist "Mujahideen". The word "Taliban" is now nothing other than a obfuscatory, propagandist and subversive "meme" for what is in actuality, under various names and guises - 'The Pashtun National Resistance Movement'.

7) The peoples of present day Afghanistan, whether Pashtun or otherwise, are the time served world champions of guerilla warfare and insurgency. No army or empire has ever been able to totally defeat, dominate or subjugate them. (Alexander the Great's) Greek, Scythian, Hepthalite, Bactrian, Persian, Mongol, Arab, Turkic, British and Russian armies have all been severely mauled and bloodied at some time or other and have had to retreat, pay tribute to or come to an accommodation with, these fierce and warlike peoples.

8) The Americans - despite their Massive Military Superiority, are the latest to learn these same painful lessons. This time however, the whole world is (quite intentionally?) further driven towards a "Clash of Civilisations", as advocated by Samuel Huntington, Benny Morris, William Safire, Thomas Friedman, Charles Krauthammer, Donald, Robert & Fred Kagan, Norman & John Podhoretz, Richard & Daniel Pipes, Bill Kristol, Richard Perle , Paul Bremer & many Neo-Con ; Paeo-Imperialist others.

9) This PNAC / NeoCon ambition, aspiration and world view stimulates and is mirrored by (as predicted by 'The Probability Gamers' in Herzliya and Langley!) the grand "End Time" schematic of a few thousand Jihadis worldwide, whose fanaticism and fury ; rage and resistance is fuelled, stoked and provoked by the Scientific Uber-Violence and Imperial Jackboot of the "Coalition of the Complicit", under the aegis and "Blood Spattered Banner of the Usurped States of Amnesiacs".

10) What the Warmongering US, "National Security" / Military / Industrial / Corporate / Banking cliques did NOT seem to know of the Buddhist Vietnamese - in that they were a fiercely independent people, who had fought the Mongol, Khmer, Chinese, Japanese and French Imperiums before they defeated the USA - so do they NOW seem NOT to know of the Muslim Afghans.

~ Thus consider, perhaps an Unending War is just what is Really Wanted by the Dark Forces of the 'Bankster-US/MIC' Nexus. After all, 9/!! was the declared raison d'etre for the Illegal and Immoral War on Afghanistan but as that attack clearly had nothing to do with Afghans or Afghanistan, then ... ?

~ Empire and 'WARFARE' abroad and austerity and 'UNFAIR' at home - this hate, horror, hubris and hypocrisy just can NOT go on and on !!!

fiat lux ; fiat pax ; fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"The US invaded Afghanistan on October 7, 2001, after the Taliban refused to hand over al-Qaeda’s leader, Osama bin Laden, who was hiding in Afghanistan after being initially invited back to the country by former mujahideen commander Abdul Rab Rassool Sayyaf.

"In the lead-up to the US invasion, the group had asked the Bush administration to provide proof of bin Laden’s role in the 9/11 attacks and later for negotiations with Washington. Bush rejected both." .. from:

So despite RW propaganda of all US MSM being so easy - because people are so ignorant, Al-Jazeera knows it can not do the same as frankly ... its viewers are going to be more clued up about Afghanistan, however even Al-Jazeera has its bias given its Conservative Royal Family owners but this^link is useful. As is this link below, given the sad, dark fact that 9/!!'s 20th Anniversary, is less than 4 weeks from now!

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

~ Thus consider, perhaps an Unending War is just what is Really Wanted by the Dark Forces of the 'Bankster-US/MIC' Nexus. After all, 9/!! was the declared raison d'etre for the Illegal and Immoral War on Afghanistan but as that attack clearly had nothing to do with Afghans or Afghanistan, then ... ?

911 was an attack on the world trade center and the pentagon

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

"Convenient Myths And Liberal Imperialism - The Liberal Way to Run the World : 'Improve' or We’ll Kill You", by John Pilger :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

" An empire in love with its Afghan cemetery" essential read by Pepe Escobar

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Twilight of the 20-Year Occupation of Afghanistan: U.S. Soldiers Sent to Kill and Die .. For What?" by Walter Smolarek:

"The CIA’s Outsourced Torture Is Lost To History" by Spencer Ackerman

"The CIA's notorious practice of kidnapping and displacement .. gave birth to

the post-9/11 torture program. We know nearly nothing about it." ... And then,

finally consider: "The only path to peace in Afghanistan", by Vijay Prasad

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"The Afghanistan Debacle & “The Great Reset” .. The Strategic Role of Zalmay Khalilzad"!

by F.William Engdahl:

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

Don't we all just love how Trump's so-called "Treaty" with the Taliban is working out ?

It's following in the footsteps of Trump's so-called Korean peninsula Denuclearization "Treaty" with the Supreme Leader of the D.P.R.K. We should know that when the opposition parties aren't negotiating with each other, they have no intention to seek for peace. Did the Taliban sit down with the Afghan Government to negotiate ? Was the ROK negotiating with the DPRK in the Trumpery summits involving the nuclear-reactor cooling-tower ( not -towel ) head ? North Korea made the world's only non-Shiite Teqiya Aryan/Iranian-20+%ABV Sunrise. It's just too bad that Pootin is balancing his pootinium-clad chamber pot with liquid gold on his head and kneeling in a circle so cooling-tower head can't get to borrow that precious chamber pot. Disobeying the "Don't fuck around" admonition has consequences ( "Thou shalt not covet," for the wages of sin is death and European covetousness covered the continent and more with White bones ). Hopefully, the Big Siberian Tigress Mom will drag him by his ear out of the circle soon.

A kindergarten rule is, "Keep your hands to yourself." Of course, Pootin shouldn't be grabbing pussies of the ex. He can grab and play with his own Texass instrument, okay even for he-male ? He really couldn't fart like Trump out of his mouth and grab his own nose pinching it closed while earnestly asking his "elevator" companions in Trump "Tower", "Who is the Bastard that has cut the cheese ?" Of course, it's the Big Fermented-chili-sauce Enchilada. Alimentary canal of enchilada has two ends. Trump can lie and fart at the same time from a single hole to achieve Whoreton business-school efficiency.

Being Afghanistan's Space Force of 0 Commander-in-Chief, I am ordering an all-out no-effort-spared initiative to save the U.S. DonBasS.

Our U.S. Congress, under the leadership of Rand Paul, has withdrawn the Authorization to Use Military Force to fund the war in Afghanistan. Mom has called our 22-to-0-score winning team home for dinner as it's getting too cold and dark for the soccer match with the towel heads ( not tower heads in photoop summits ! ) to be continued. Afghanistan will be a great new province of peace ( i.e. New Xinjiang of Red China's capable of sucking up without reaching the oceans the ultimate exhaust products of Xinjiang's newly sewing-job-trained Uyghur detainees ? ) Allahu Akbar !

Trump 2040 !!! ( Trump 2020 didn't help him see well so.. let the culling of the belief-in-recipes-impaired masses continue.)

Just watch how great Afghanistan's security forces ( Afghan National Defense Force ) have become under 20 years of U.S. tutelage. I recall how great the withdrawal of U.S. Forces from Iraq had worked out. Due to Iraq's security forces' capability without the Will to fight, the U.S. Military de facto left its equipment for ISIS to use.

This is why patriotic people willing to fight and die for a country are absolutely necessary. A girl ( who needed to get into making babies or be cut out of the total human genome for eternity { due to having defied God's fix, which instituted the sacrament for re-joining like the animals, after Adam's and Eve's fall; I suspect that pornography depicting human genitalia in syncopated motion gives the sexually repressed-due-to-having-no-money-to-raise-babies people such pleasure and fascination because it's literally the watching of God's handiwork in action } ) used to say in disgust, "All that the boys knew and talked about is war, war, war !" Well, the opposing countries' boys were boys, too. Boys have a racket going so boys rule in patriarchies. Afghan girls will soon feel and learn what the aftermath of "when their boys have left" means. Boys fought wars to feed and please the girls and children during the olden days in the dearth of 》Lebensraum《 but nowadays with more knowledge, cooperation, effectiveness, efficiency, and economy, fighting has become rather passé because there can come far more goods and goodies. One just needs to visit the mansions of the wealthy clans of olden times to learn of their old lifestyles in order to appreciate one's own modern style of living: running clean-and-potable water which has been filtered and tested to be safe, central heating and cooling, running hot water for showers and baths, ice-cream galore on hot days, strawberry ice-cream on top of a glass of cream soda, "let here be light" at the flick of a switch, electronic entertainments, etc. Do people know what a cistern in the basement or a stinky chamber pot { usually placed under the bed to avoid knocking it over in the darkness of night and for nightly aromatherapy sessions to stave off Alzheimer's disease; I think that the [likely haunted] Lincoln bedroom in our White House needs to have a chamber pot placed under the bed there in order to catch up to the sharp minds of Pootin and Mao; those stinky one-gallon milk containers holding liquid gold ¿might? be therapeutic if they're sniffed more than five times a day in order to stimulate neurogenesis; hmm, Pootin's chamber pot with liquid gold might well be keeping his brain as sharp as Scarecrow's with needles galore poked through his head; can one of our billionaires donate an empty one-gallon milk container to our White House, please ? } in the bedroom are ?

Or the U.S. demonstrates its capability to be back. I expected that the U.S. had to go back soon anyway, after more terrorist attacks. Taliban can lie to get the U.S. to withdraw. The U.S. can go back to Afpak and engage them indefinitely. It's all because we don't tighten up guarding our borders. Raise taxes on the billionaires to pay for the foreign-soil troop emplacements because they're the ones who wanted globalization to maximize their profits and we don't benefit from their profits stashed overseas anyway. Let them move overseas and cut off their access to the U.S. market.

Always remember the lessons from the last century. The U.S. cannot teach the Old World nations to live well peacefully together unless the U.S. is willing to have permanent troop deployments there ( e.g. Germany, South Korea, Japan; all have become prosperous despite or because of the huge numbers of U.S. troops still being stationed there; it's okay to have humanitarian disasters befalling countries from time to time, like the annual flu shots, because new generations often forget why U.S. troops are on their soil, Iraq being a more recent example; the E.U. wouldn't be as prosperous as it got without NATO and the US guarantee of global navigational protection for its trading; even many-pins-poked Pootin forgot for quite a long while about Red China and Japan being Russia's enemies before, and that the border and land disputes hadn't been settled yet; often White in recent centuries but by no means exclusively White neighbors who just keep on pushing the territorial boundaries hoping for a de facto annexation someday create more disputes and wars; one's keeping on grabbing at kindergarten classmates' pussies invites a slap or more. Ukraine may not join NATO but NATO can use Russia's invasion of Ukraine as the excuse to attack Stalininsk; if Russia wants to go back to using force, NATO has ample counterforce to safeguard the most peaceful { despite being a conglomerate } multistate continent post World War II; Belarus and Russia will become NATO's, as Russia wished for; both Red China, which will become a genuine arctic country controlling the vast arctic oil and gas reserves as well as getting the of-the-Belt-and-Road-Initiative Kazakhstan's rich mineral deposits, oil and gas reserves, and vast arable land { as Red China polluted its own waters and land }, and Japan will become gleeful and willing partners to annex everything Russia has that is east of the Ural mountains: Siberia and the Russian Far East/Chinese Far North 北疆維吾爾自治區/Japanese Empire 新疆ウイグル自治区, the stepping stone for the conquest of the Eurasian continent.)

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Note - "Afghanistan’s Socialist Years: The promising future killed off by U.S. imperialism"! . . . by Marilyn Bechtel:

respice; adspice; prospice AND stop spewing b-s grapes!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Yes Matt and the consequences of that fateful day are still being visited upon innocent people in a desperately poor country half a world away, whose primary crime seems to be that they will not bow down to The Empire.

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Wow! What a rich compilation of very important information. Not one wasted or unnecessary word.

The perfect spot for this repost.

The MSM is the key isn't it?! The world would know and our young would be educated on this information if the bloody MSM weren't so dammed monopolized.

Occupy the MSM!!!

[-] 7 points by rayolite (461) 10 years ago

Ocupy the MSM permanently through Article V and preparatory amendment assuring the people are the "rightful masters of the congress and the courts".

1)End the abridging of free speech

2)Campaign finance reform (rev. citizens united)

3)Secure the vote (the diebold issue)

All citizens agree to make delegates they vote for sign stating they will propose amendments that do 1), 2), 3) and work to see 1), 2), 3) ratified.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 10 years ago

Perfect Comment

[-] 4 points by rayolite (461) 10 years ago

We become the "rightful masters" through our uses of 1) assuring that all amendments are constitutional.

The needed dialogue is based in natural law and returns a doctrine of understanding ourselves, our nature and purposes as individuals and a society equitably serving it. We can do it now, and need to exercise our rights perfectly to be the rightful masters.

Wanna' see it work? Ask, "How we end the abridging of free speech and "occupy the MSM?".

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

1)End free speech abridging

2)public broadcast all candidates

3)demand election holidays

[-] 5 points by rayolite (461) 10 years ago

Yes, even more constitutional. Chances are we will have to do this in stages. The simple preparatory amendment for Article 5 makes the nation constitutional enough for the people to show they are the "rightful masters of the courts and congress". After the Article V is convened with assurance that ALL amendments will be constitutional, because the "masters" are in position, THEN those amendments can be woven in. I would make it "election weeks", and there is no reason to not have a holiday at the begining of election week.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

For some further information from beyond the 'MSM's MSM' - The Main Stream Media's 'Mendacity, Smoke & Mirrors', re. Afghanistan, please also try to see :

a) "A Crisis of Trust in Afghanistan", by Gwynne Dyer : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32347.htm ;

b) "Afghanistan - The Top Ten Lies that Recur in the Mainstream Media", by James O’Neill : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31660.htm ;

c) “NATO Talks a Sham - War in Afghanistan is Not Ending”, by Dennis Kucinich : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31660.htm ;

d) "Afghanistan Is A "War Of National Resistance" - Former CIA Agent", by 'Rethink Afghanistan' : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24061.htm &

e) "America's Phoney War in Afghanistan", by F. William Engdahl : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23774.htm .

fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by Forrester (13) 10 years ago

Getting people off the MSM has to be one of our paramount objectives if we are to succeed.

[-] 3 points by rayolite (461) 10 years ago

Chicken and egg-It is your responsibility to form agreement that is compelling and made visible by your (our) persistence in clarity of universal agreement. That inspires people to ignore the TV.

Tell me why I never got a response to this from above,

http://occupywallst.org/forum/afghanistan-americas-total-lie-war-what-has-been-d/#comment-828497

and you'll solve a human mystery.

Wanna' see it work? Ask, "How we end the abridging of free speech and "occupy the MSM?".

[-] 0 points by Forrester (13) 10 years ago

We have all chosen different roles to play in this struggle, on here, in our daily lives, and in the streets, and parks. Those rolls are based on our talents; the things we hold most dear; the time we have available; and the 'way' moving forward, we believe is the most effective.

I have advocated writing letters to the editor on this forum for a long time, as there are many good writers on here, and to a big degree, we are just preaching to the choir here. I will look at your link, and please read my comment below.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 10 years ago

You guys really could use lessons in subtlety. You are not going to change the entire world or the habits of every human on the globe. If you spent a fraction of your rhetoric on making changes to the existing world you live in, you could make massive changes in less than a year.

Occupying the media, applying pressure, additionally add a program to distract enough viewers to other media outlets so their viewership drops just a little more than it already has over the last few years, you would force policy changes at the top management levels at these companies.

You are a spec in a very very large system. Now you can bounce into other specs enough to create a disturbance where those other specs also create disturbances until you have the arrangement of specs in your favor, or you can just keep thinking about how you can become big enough to directly challenge this much larger system (which will never ever happen) and get nowhere.

[-] 1 points by Forrester (13) 10 years ago

The idea that this movement can make progress through, one on one personal interactions with others is a view that is shared by many here. It may even prove to be the most effective way that we have in raising the awareness of the 'unknowing,' for now anyway. This movement has the chance of growing exponentially by these personal contacts, and of course through social media as well.

Some might think that trying to make signifigant inroads anytime soon into changing the way the corporate owned MSM reports news is a waste of time. I don't. We should use every method we can in our efforts to reach out to the mainstream. And just for the record, I practice what I preach.

[-] 3 points by rayolite (461) 10 years ago

With regard to Article V, I do think that letters to the editor will matter, but only if they are published.

Here you may be censored, but until them you are published. I've had letters to the most liberal publications censored of the references that led to the facts supporting my letters TWICE. As long as the media is a corporation and corporations have individual rights, free speech will be abridged. As long as we post on .com and not the usenet, we will be censored. Article V is the only tool which can correct all of these issues.

Write letters about that, maybe the papers in your town won't censor them, be sure to mention the aspects of Preparatory Amendment"

[-] 3 points by rayolite (461) 10 years ago

With regard to Article V, I do think that letter to the editor will matter, but only if they are published.

Here you may be censored, but until them you are published. I've had letters to the most liberal publications censored of the references that led to the facts supporting my letters TWICE. As long as the media is a corporation and corporations have individual rights, free speech will be abridged. As long as we post on .com and not the usenet, we will be censored. Article V is the only tool which can correct all of these issues.

Write letters about that, maybe the papers in your town won't censor them.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

Occupy the FCC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 10 years ago

Occupy The Media. Through social media, through email, through your blogs and websites, even Occupy your local talk radio shows.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

YEP - the MSM need to feel the heat of public disgust - but so does the Media watch Dog the FCC.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 10 years ago

The FCC is what stands between the FBI and your home phone. In the future, if internet freedoms are protected, they will be protected through the FCC. The FCC has been fought tooth and nail in the FCC's efforts to protect internet privacy. So far, the courts and congress have blocked the FCC's ability and attempts at protecting your internet privacy. This has been going on since Bush.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

The FCC have dropped the ball on insuring truth over the air/cable/satellite.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 10 years ago

Not from lack of effort. Like every other regulatory office, they have been crippled by politicians in the name of the police state and corporate profits.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

Yes all watch Dog agencies have been under attack. Does not mean that protest should not be expressed. The fact of the matter is protest should be expressed at all governmental watch Dog or Judicial or law enforcement institution/department as they have not been doing their job - this also goes to the fact of budget cuts and who made them.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 10 years ago

Yeah, I can't actually argue against that. Apply pressure where needed.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

Public outcry at the failures of government - all of the failures.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 10 years ago

I wonder what an actual coordinated "Occupy The Web" campaign could look like. I'll take stab.

  1. Create a target list, like the big the MSM networks and the FCC to start.

  2. Create an agreed upon, well though out, fact checked, multipaged document of complaints for each target.

  3. Create a website with a page for each target with social buttons to direct sharing by visitors to the targets social media, such as @MSNBC for twitter.

  4. Place a link on each target page to direct traffic to a petition built on the document, on Change.org maybe.

Thoughts?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

I like having links available for making contact I also like having letters ready to send - I would also like the idea of people being able to voice their own thoughts on what they think of the MSM and their coverage or lack thereof.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 10 years ago

I'll think on this over the next few days. I could help with a lot but I have no experience with petitions. This forum could be a great place however to test the content of each target document and refine it before initial presentation to at least the NYGA for approval. Again, I'm not the best person for writing such a complex set of documents.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

It may be enough to present a detailed outline - then perhaps someone on the OWS official team might know how to get them properly completed.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

Of course the wars need to be ended and our men and women brought home.

Look at these people of ours who volunteer to protect this nation - who go out looking to do good work in the name of peace and justice. They really want to be part of making a better world.

Then look at how they are used and abused for ulterior motives that have to do with control of resources and not anything to do with helping people.

Look at the death and destruction - FOR RESOURCES.

No wonder the troops are sick at heart and despairing of their part in all of this - no wonder good people are killing themselves in anguish and self disgust. They have been betrayed as we all have been by the government - our government.

This has got to end.

The suicide of our men and women is pretty much murder as they were killed by betrayal of purpose betrayal of cause - and they could not live with it - so it may as well be called murder.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Thanks for the response DKA. I'm not here as much as I'd like to be and hadn't seen your view on the wars. Its good to know your stance on the subject.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

tweeted this post. We should as a country be exporting peace not arms. And we should start right here at home and make it part of our business and economic growth.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Thanks for that. I'm hopelessly technologically unskilled....and I try to stay away from too much equipment. I don't even think I have a tweeter (or a cell phone) ^.~

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

No prob. It is an easy thing to do - the tweet button is now on the left side of the screen. I have a twitter account so all I need do is click on the button at the left side of the screen and the post gets shared out on twitter. I will do this as I come across articles I think should be circulated/shared. I really like that the forum added this feature.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Lolol! D'oh! I did say hopeless right ?! Thanks.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

Well you can find your way around a keyboard and you found your way to this site on the internet - so I would not say hopeless - just new.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 10 years ago

At a time when the Roman Empire was rapidly being bankrupted by the burdens of Imperial war,corruption,currency and commodities speculation,tax evasion by wealthy families,waste and theft of public funds,ill-considered public works projects &c.,the Senators began desperately casting about for a possible way to raise revenue.Someone suggested that public urinals be taxed.This suggestion was vehemently opposed by some of the Senators as being "disgusting." The proponents of the idea argued that "money doesn't smell," and the proposal was adopted.The 1% feel the same way about all of the proceeds of the disgusting,filthy criminal activities whose gargantuan profits they launder.The 1% does not now,nor has it ever felt that money derived from even the most vile or despicable criminal activity is contaminated in any way rendering it untouchable.The 1% considers such wealth to be not only touchable,but just as lovable as money accumulated by honest people.The 1% are Equal Opportunity Moneygrubbing Greedbags.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Oh my...how very well put...and passionately delivered!!

[-] 2 points by ogoj11 (263) 10 years ago

Reminded me of an experience I had traveling in Ecuador. Changing buses in a terminal in a mid size town (Santo Domingo), I decided it would be wise to use the men's room before boarding the next bus.

Imagine my surprise on entering the large, filthy, smelly bus terminal men's room to find a woman seated on a little kitchen chair selling squares of toilet paper, 1cent each. All day! What a job! Possibly this kind of austerity with employment is what our pols are planning for us. Possibly some men are thinking they'd like the job selling toilet paper in the women's restroom?

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 10 years ago

In the 1930's,Americans became zombified by years of unemployment;they drifted from place to place searching for nonexistant jobs.After awile,nobody said the word "goodbye" anymore.They said,as they passed each other like darkened ships on a sea at night:"Write if you get work..."

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago
[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 10 years ago

An ancient dilemma.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

mmm

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 10 years ago

Government involvement in opium is not new. British East India Company (Rothschild) has been active with this since 1690. Opium trade was the foundation of British East India Company. Wars resulted, including the Opium Wars with China and wars in Afghanistan during the 1800s. ------Same thing happening today.

Just thinking about Nancy saying "just say no to drugs", while VP Bush & CIA conducting Contra Cocaine For Arms Swaps in US.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 10 years ago

If anyone does not believe America is involved in the drug trade, look at this fact. The Taliban cut opium production in Afghanistan, the worlds largest supplier, by 90% in mid 2001. By late 2001 the U.S. invaded. The next years opium production was back up to normal levels and by 2007 had doubled. All under the watch of U.S. and coalition forces.

The Taliban take profits from the sale of opium and buy the weapons that they use blow the brains out of our soldiers! Perpetual war for perpetual profit.

http://www.sldinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Weitz-Figure-5-pic-600.jpg

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Very good information! Thank you!

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 10 years ago

Your welcome. A person could easily come to the conclusion that 911 was a false flag attack to justify the invasion of Afghanistan to restore opium production. The timing fits, but I can't make that connection without more evidence.

[-] 3 points by Cocreator (306) 10 years ago

When War is Business as Usual,and profiteers run rampant, then you see decline, of humanity and environment..Where there is Respect, and a sense everything is connected, we realize what we do,affects everything.. The Present Program is a nightmare, and we have to build the new Dream..One that is Aware of the One, with Resect for All Living Things..

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 10 years ago

Oh My God. Thank you Renneye. Everyone needs to see this.

Regarding so many of our soldiers coming back from the wars, and killing themselves-----maybe they are being murdered, so they won't tell the truth.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

You're reading my mind Nevada1. 18 veterans commit suicide every day?! That's a ludicrous number! We don't lose 18 soldiers a day in all of the active duty military. Several months ago, I read on VeteransToday that veterans are receiving psychiatric drugs at dosages between 10 and 100 times the normal dosages. Of course they're going to kill themselves. Dead veterans can't blow the whistle.

The pharmaceutical industry is owned by the same vermin that own the banks....and the military industrial complex.

[-] 2 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 10 years ago

I am stunned to see such a bold article in Veterans Today - I thought it was a mainstream magazine... not anymore!!

Drug prohibition has nothing to do with whats good for people, but lots to do with enriching the Elites and their banks, plus funding CIA projects that are too unsavoury for Congress to fund.

Google "US banks laundering Afghan drug money" and learn about how illegal drug money is all that is keeping 100s of US banks afloat.

And, that the CIA is providing "transport cover" - same as in South America in the 1980s {see: "the cocaine coup"}

PS - they could have added that the DU weapons have left a swath of birth defects in Afghan children, one more example of what America's ambitions for Afghanistan are - to ruin it and take it over, like "disaster capitalism"

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 10 years ago

Our government is a giant Geselda Blanco.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Gordon Duff tells the REAL story of the Afghan war from his rock solid military intel sources.

Another Exerpt....

Breaking: Afghanistan – America’s “Total Lie War”

Americans and Northern Alliance “Friends”…False Flag Terror, Drugs, Staged “Taliban” Attacks — by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

What has the US done in Afghanistan? It is simple. We sent in special operations personnel, who joined with organized crime, a failed oil company hack, a group of burned out former communists and set up a dictatorship while building a drug empire, staging terror attacks to blame on the Taliban.

We allowed India and Israel to run terror operations against our ally Pakistan and trucked thousands of tons of drugs into Russia. In the process, we made heroin so cheap any American child can afford addiction, one of mine did. He is dead now.

As our military melted down, themselves drugged with anti-psychotics, trained to hate the local population, undisciplined, unlead, unqualified, it began. Americans formed gangs, murdered civilians, raped, randomly killed local citizens in “drive by” shootings, killed any of their own who objected and it was all covered up except for a few “Soviet Type” show trials.

We have learned from sources in Afghanistan that acts of terrorism credited to the Taliban, school burnings, murders, acid throwing, suppression of women, are not done by the Taliban at all.

We have the names, we hold proof that Taliban “terrorism” has been systematically staged by US allies in the Northern Alliance in order to feed news organizations around the world a continual flow of propaganda in order to support false ideas of extremism. There is so much proof of this you could drown in it. US military intelligence knows every word and were aware this was going to be written today. There were NO objections.

[-] 1 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 8 years ago

America has bombed 8 wedding parties since 2001

The out of control train continues, the passengers still sound asleep...

http://www.thenation.com/article/177684/us-has-bombed-least-eight-wedding-parties-2001#

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[-] -3 points by Lucky1 (-125) from Wray, CO 10 years ago

I laugh whenever anyone on the left pretends to support our troops.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

I laugh at people that pretend the words "left and right " for describing policy and people

[-] -1 points by Lucky1 (-125) from Wray, CO 10 years ago

Yet you don't support our soldiers.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

no/ there should refuse to fight wars of aggression and bomb non threatening targets

got over the praise the war paradigm

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

I have been steadfast all of my life to not fall under any labels or be swayed into any one particular groove of thought...and given up a lot in order to keep it that way. It'll take more than a snide remark to throw me off kilter...O Lucky One.

[-] -1 points by Lucky1 (-125) from Wray, CO 10 years ago

So since my comment was geared to support our military may I assume you don't?

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Are you for real?! Did you see my main post? You know what they say about "assume" right?!

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

building bombs 'til bunkers boil

getting paid for shell filled toil

if I am to work tomorrow

lobe the load on foreign soil


yep US only pays 41% of the total world military budget

World Military budget in Billions (percent total) by Nation

  • 1,630 World Total
  • 711 United States 41%
  • 143 China 8.2%
  • 71.9 Russia 4.1%
  • 62.7 United Kingdom 3.6 %
  • 62.5 France 3.6%
  • 54.5 Japan 3.3&
  • 48.2 Saudi Arabia 2.8%
  • 46.8 India 2.5%
  • 46.7 Germany 2.8%
  • 37.0 Italy 2.3%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures


Global Arms Sales By Supplier Nations

39% United States

18% Russia

8% France

7% United Kingdom

5% Germany

3% China

3% Italy

11% Other European

5% Others

http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business#GlobalArmsSalesBySupplierNations


TOP 10 Arms Produces

Notes: An S denotes a subsidiary company. A dash (–) indicates that the company did not rank among the SIPRI Top 100 for 2009

  • Lockheed Martin USA 35,730 33,430 78
  • BAE Systems UK 32,880 32,540 95
  • Boeing USA 31,360 32,300 49
  • Northrop Grumman USA 28,150 27,000 81
  • General Dynamics USA 23,940 23,380 74
  • Raytheon USA 22,980 23,080 91
  • BAE Systems Inc. (BAE Systems, UK) USA 17,900 19,280 100
  • EADS Trans-European 16,360 15,930 27
  • Finmeccanica Italy 14,410 13,280 58 +L-3 Communications USA 13,070 13,010 83
  • United Technologies USA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/mar/02/arms-sales-top-100-producers

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 10 years ago

Ya, if you are fuckin idiot.