Forum Post: "9/11 : A Geo-political Monster" - a 'cris de coeur' by Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey.
Posted 8 months ago on Sept. 12, 2012, 8:56 a.m. EST by shadz66
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"9/11 : A Geo-political Monster" - a 'cris de coeur'.
by Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey.
September 11, 2012, "Information Clearing House" ( http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ )
The victims of 9/11 are not only encountered in New York. The victims of 9/11 lived in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya and today, in Syria, campaigns created and wars waged on the back of the most shocking example of the manipulation of fear in the history of humankind. 9/11 was an insult to the memories of the deceased, an insult to their families.
The anomalies of the 9/11 attacks have been ably exposed by researchers over the last eleven years, since two aircraft slammed into the Twin Towers just before they appeared to be demolished in a classic implosion operation, since an "aircraft" turned the Pentagon into the Quadragon, yet leaving the lampposts through which it had to pass standing, and before another aircraft allegedly vanished...all 200 tonnes of it, including engines.
If wreckage of the Air France 447 was found at sea, then it is totally impossible that an aircraft of similar size hitting terrain would simply vaporise. That two plus two do not add up to four in the 9/11 attacks does not attenuate the suffering of those who lost husbands, wives, children, family, loved ones and friends, taken away in a snap, making their loss that much more shocking and difficult to deal with.
This is where our thoughts should be this day, eleven years after the United States of America and its allies were given a carte blanche to go globe-trotting on the back of a massive public opinion coup, justifying invasions, justifying massacres, justifying the most blatant outrages against human rights and international law. This is unfortunately the legacy of 9/11.
The legacy of 9/11 is the creation of a geo-political monster, as the FUKUS Axis (France, the UK and US) cynically took advantage of this stunt to justify their wars pandering to the whims of the lobbies which close ranks around each and every US President, eliminating those few who do not play ball.
On the back of 9/11 came Afghanistan, a hopeless waste of time and money and more importantly, human lives, a process which is on-going today, a process which has continued the destabilisation of a once-stable and socially progressive country by the Mujaheddin, unleashed by the CIA and the Pakistani Madrassah against the legitimate Government. The Taleban are a CIA experiment gone wrong. 9/11 was the ensuing thank-you note.
On the back on 9/11 came Iraq, an illegal invasion against a sovereign nation outside the auspices of the UNSC, rendering Bush and Blair liable for war crimes trials, a process which is already under way and which will hopefully see both of them spend a substantial period of time behind bars, yet not facing the sort of treatment their forces meted out to prisoners in concentration camps and detention centres, however much pleasure it would give one to water-board both of them.
On the back of 9/11 came Syria, a country invaded by terrorists, a country whose latent ethnic and religious differences were whipped up by outsiders, where groups of terrorists were armed and unleashed against the Government. The process started before Libya, it continues to this day, the FUKUS Axis yet again spreading misery and terror in their quest to place their minions in power to further their demonic plans for geo-political hegemony.
On the back of 9/11 came Libya, a country whose western and eastern borders were successfully secured through revolutions, a country whose eastern region had already been secured months in advance, a country invaded illegally by FUKUS Axis special forces, in which the FUKUS Axis illegally aided a group in an internal conflict, in which war crimes were committed, in which military hardware was deployed against civilian structures, in which the Gaddafi grandchildren were murdered in their home.
Why? Because Muammar al-Qathafi's plans for Africa were threatening the lobbies which control the FUKUS Axis. It was not for no reason that the Libyan leader was to receive a UN Humanitarian Prize in 2011.
The legacy of 9/11 is therefore its consequences: torture, rape, murder, illegal detention, war crimes, atrocities, sodomy, urination in food, sleep deprival, setting dogs on detainees, terrorism, ethnic cleansing, racism...the list goes on and on and on and reads like a shopping list for Satan.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is an insult to the victims of 9/11 and their families.
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fiat justitia ruat caelum ...
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[Article copied verbatim under "Fair Use" from : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32418.htm ]
We need to heal. Healing starts when truth sees the light of day. THAT is when great things happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYyQcQSqpbI
I forgot about that song........:)
Thanks. Nice version.
My pleasure shooz.
Extraordinary Eva Cassidy (RIP) ~
A couple more..perhaps for later listening?...
People Get Ready ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W9rPxxnP4
Chain of Fools ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRNleKBDCNw
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I love Eva Cassidy. The record companies did not want to sign her because she refused to be pigeon-holed into singing one type of music. She only achieved international fame after her death. Here on this link, knowing that she is dying of cancer, she summons up all of her energy, and sings What A Wonderful World.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEBBGSgO16M
I have Eva's final/good-bye concert on cd. Its hauntingly beautiful. I rarely get through it without shedding tears.
Every time I think I've heard everything by Eva...I end up finding another song. I found this one called "Wayfaring Stranger" last night....followed by Emmylou's version of it. They're different...yet equally beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sDyE98AGzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7kZrssy7KQ
Thanks. Eva Cassidy not only had a "hauntingly beautiful" voice, but she was also a person of tremendous courage, and principle. Very early this morning I lit a candle and listened to her sing What A Wonderful World. It would have been my Dad's 100th birthday. He too was an extraordinary person.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXU219b3Zdw
That was very special. Thanks...and well worth my second viewing of it ^.~
During family gatherings...one of my favourite things to do is sit and listen (sometimes for hours) to the older members tell the stories of their youth. Our experiences seem to pale (maybe not for long) compared to theirs.
Your father clearly enriched your life....I just know I would have liked him.
The whole world needs to heal and unite...and music is "instrumental" in that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwvjTRGFU3o
Thanks for the kind words, and respite in reminding me that most of us are here for good reasons.
*"...From a distance
We all have enough
And no one is in need
And there are no guns, no bombs, and no disease
No hungry mouths to feed
From a distance
~We are instruments~
~Marching in a common band~
Playing songs of hope
Playing songs of peace
They are the songs of every man..."* ....Julie Gold
I have taken many of the qualities my Dad had, and passed them on to my children. "....Our experiences seem to pale (maybe not for long) compared to theirs." Considering that we are here, we may well both have the chance to add a positive rider onto our legacies.
Solidarity
Lucky children they are.
Solidarity
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building bombs 'til bunkers boil
getting paid for shell filled toil
if I am to work tomorrow
lobe the load on foreign soil
yep US only pays 41% of the total world military budget
World Military budget in Billions (percent total) by Nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
Global Arms Sales By Supplier Nations
39% United States
18% Russia
8% France
7% United Kingdom
5% Germany
3% China
3% Italy
11% Other European
5% Others
http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business#GlobalArmsSalesBySupplierNations
TOP 10 Arms Produces
Notes: An S denotes a subsidiary company. A dash (–) indicates that the company did not rank among the SIPRI Top 100 for 2009
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/mar/02/arms-sales-top-100-producers
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that's just fucking stupid trashy
It's trashy and stupid
people have a right to their opinion even if you don't like it - what a fucking ass
you fuckin scumbag
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Thank you shadz for post.
Watched Explosive Evidence 9/11 Truth, again yesterday.
Regarding 9/11 which is more shocking, US government committing this extreme crime---or---the US government still getting away with this extreme crime after 11 years?
The whole world will continue to pay the price, until there is justice.
Thanx 'Nev1' & consider that 'The 9/!! Coup d'Etat' underpins so much that has happened in the decade that has followed, that we who watch & wait continue to grope in the darkness for some semblance of rhyme, reason and rationale to the smoke and mirrors & conducted by sleight of hand 'in plane sight'.
verb. sat. sap. ...
War against Muslims started even before 9/11
9/11 Coup d’etat Triggered Pre-Planned War on Islam
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/05/14/241119/war-on-terror-war-on-muslims/
Press TV has interviewed Dr. Kevin Barrett, author of ‘Questioning the War on Terror’ about the orchestrated campaign against Islam since September 11th, 2001.
Did JCS Chief Dempsey Just End the War on Islam?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/10/did-jcs-chief-dempsey-just-end-the-war-on-islam/
But now, a cornerstone of the war on Islam – the brainwashing of US military personnel to hate, fear, and mass-murder people because they happen to be Muslim – has been removed by none other than General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation reports:
On Tuesday, April 24th, 2012, the nation’s top soldier, Chairman of the United States Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) General Martin Dempsey, initiated a truly seminal message. He finally generated the long-overdue, mandatory edict that all training and educational materials throughout the U.S. military must be immediately reviewed within one month’s time to ensure that no anti-Muslim or anti-Islam references or content remain. Henceforth, officers and enlisted members will no longer be taught and institutionally indoctrinated that “the United States is at war with Islam and we ought to just recognize that.”
In the elective class “Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism,” officers from all four branches of the military were indoctrinated with vile Islamophobic programs masquerading as “anti-terrorist” education. What JCS Chairman Gen. Dempsey seeks to investigate is a heinous curriculum of systemic, anti-Muslim hatred that has warped the cultural competence of United States service members, leading to grim results in combat theaters within which the U.S. has been engaged since 9/11. In 2012 alone there have been reports of bodies being urinated on by U.S. Marines, the proud and brazen display of the Nazi Waffen-SS banner by U.S. Marines, soldiers posing with corpses, and most insultingly, the burning of copies of the Qur’an at Bagram Air Field.
The long-overdue review of the appalling Islamophobic materials used to train our servicemen and servicewomen is a classic case of the proverbial closing of the barn door long after the farm animals have left. President Obama’s surprise visit to Afghanistan on Tuesday, May 1, 2012 starkly illustrated this fact. The ink had barely dried on the Strategic Partnership Agreement signed by himself and Afghan President Hamid Karzai before car bombs and gunfire rattled Kabul in a daring Taliban attack centered on the high-security Green Village compound.
In hindsight, the Department of Defense-sanctioned anti-Muslim training programs have proven to be a quintessentially formidable propaganda asset in the Taliban fight against the “Crusading” NATO forces. Indeed, they provide grist for the mill of regional resentment and strain alliances to a breaking point.
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This article is a very diplomatic way to broach a very sensitive subject. Good call!
Whether you believe it was intentional or not (I do believe), there is the disturbing matter of the war indoctrination of our children that the exploitation of 9/11 is being used for, to usher in continual war .
Yesterday (Sept 11th), while I was driving my 9 year old daughter home from school, she told me that in her (grade 5) class, as a commemoration of 9/11, they were made to watch a youtube video of the horrific images, I'm sure we all can remember, of the towers burning and people jumping while flailing to their death. I remember seeing those images ONCE, then when they came on again and again, I had to turn my head.
I was so furious, I didn't know who's neck I was going to wring first. I vowed to call the board of education.
HOW, is that a commemoration? Why not images of flowers being laid at ground zero? I mean...despite the obvious hypocrisy...at least kids wouldn't get traumatized. When I was in school, a commemoration was images of poppies.
My daughter told me that as soon as she saw the person falling, she slightly turned her head and saw that the other kids were transfixed...eyes wide and shocked. How is this necessary?!
It is traumatic indoctrination via shock to justify to, and condition our young, further years of war and terror. This was called for by the board of ed. The teacher understood enough to run to the media player, while yelling "no, no, no."...but too late. Those images are seared on the psyches of our kids. Its a travesty of damage upon damage.
The war mongering must cease...NOW!!
Please talk to your kids. Its the perfect time for a discussion when things like this happen. I asked my daughter if the teacher played a video that showed the collapse of building 7? She said "What building 7"? as she jolted up in wonder.
She has now seen footage of the collapse (sans flailing bodies) of building 7.
She was very intrigued.
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"Your Indoctrination"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fj6Qamu0JY&feature=plcp
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everyone needs to see exactly what happend......the truth is often ugly......but needs to be told, putting your head in the sand is not the answer.
I don't know if its just me, but recently, there is this feeling that we're kind of reaching a saturation point where people are starting to be more open to the truth than ever before. Gives me hope.
when you say truth do you mean only truth you agree with? after 9/11 war was sadly the only option, just like dec. 7 1941. Here is a fact some people dont want to admit it people think/know your weak they crush you; you cant be weak in this world. You dont want to be a bully either, its not an easy tightrope to walk.
When I say truth...I mean organic truth. The kind you imagine when the clouds open up and you can see clear across the universe, with all the wisdoms it may behold.
What you describe here has unfortunately been the truth up until now. Its been the same M.O. for thousands of years.... oligarchal staged wars propped up by religious and racial division that have nothing to do with the real reasons for the violence and genocides the ruling elite perpetrate on its people.
By your standards...and apparent acceptance that this is the way it has to be because it has always been, we are doomed to perpetual war and utter failure as humans. At what point do we recognize, as the universe's children, that we can rise above this blood-soaked insanity, to get to a higher level of consciousness to what is a more humane way of living....for everyone?
You believe there's nothing worth fighting for in this life I do. You seem closed to any idea other than your own that never turns out well, you seem extreme left in your post the prob. With extreme in any direction is that they never think they are crazy (and they are)
Hmm...I guess you have the answer then. Keep posturing and bombing. World citizens/populations be damned. Bombs away.
Like the old song says there's a time for everything Rather you belive it or not doesnt. Change it
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Who is the picture of?
It was some Swedish death metal band. I have it saved but I'm not going to look it up. It made me sick.
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Thanks for sharing this great piece. These are hard truths but we must face them. What we need to do is to change from being a fear-based society to a love-based society.
Yes. Totally & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FotCW5OIFZc :-)
Further, please also see :
"The Method to the Post 9/11 Madness", by David Swanson :
"The 11th Anniversary of 9/11", by Paul Craig Roberts :
e tenebris, lux ...
Thanks, I guess.
You are welcome & I'm sorry to have to copy this link for you too :
fiat lux ...
Sorry, this is bs. You need to take it to Alex Jones.
Hmmm & "Bush Insider Says 911 Was An Inside Job" :
Morgan O. Reynolds was a professor emeritus at Texas A&M University and former director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX.
He served as chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during 2001--2002, George W. Bush's first term. In 2005, he gained public attention as the first prominent government official to publicly claim that 9/11 was an inside job, and is a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.
I'll tell you right now how this will work - you reply and I'll keep laying it down - HARD ! Your move !!
spero ...
I will not promise to carry on with this ludicrous subject indefinitely. What you presented, with the video, is someone who didn't like Bush. (Guess what? Neither do I) So he's an economist. Who could be more qualified than an economist to determine the scientific realities of what happened. What's even better, he's a "free market" economist. We all know how clear headed those guys are. He presents no evidence of anything, employs the "appeal to popularity" fallacy. A lot of people think it's an inside job, on the internet, so it must be so. And of course, there's Charlie Sheen. Who can argue against the great intellect of Charlie Sheen. The fact that Bush was or is psychopathic enough to do something doesn't mean he did it.
Ok, appeal to his motives but dare you watch : "9/11 - Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out" ? :
Over 40 experts in high-rise architecture ; structural engineering ; metallurgy ; chemistry ; physics ; explosives and controlled demolition, share their professional expertise and insights about the events of 9/11. Additionally, 8 psychological experts discuss why proving controlled demolition of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers can be so difficult for individuals to accept.
Look - it's difficult, I know. I was ill and sleepless for a week as the veil was lifted from my eyes too. I do appreciate the discombobulation, pain and sense of bereft dislocation but better that than live a lie, imo !
I'm sorry pal if any of this stuff is new to you - just strap in and hold on.
fiat lux ...
No, none of this is new. Lets start with this, since this little bunch were big on repeating and repeating and repeating, the free fall nonsense regarding building 7, as if repeating it made it less false. (a typical propaganda ploy).Explain this photo to me. http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm caveat emptor
I gave you all that & you come back asking for an explanation for one photo ! It looks like a destroyed building collapsing to the ground to me. Are you really being serious - or are you trying to back me up in a reverse-psychological and paradoxical way ?!
Let's get back to basics seeing as though physics is not your strong point & seeing as though we are now asking questions of each other : What is your explanation for WTC Building 7 ? Why were there NO mentions of what happened to it in The Official 9/!! Commission Report ? While we are at it, have you ever seen any evidence of an aeroplane at The Pentagon ?
Finally, re. Shanksville additionally and almost as an aside :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkIG5wNV59A ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x36z3Egilb4 and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxDjOobmC8M !!!
minima maxima sunt ...
A bit paranoid, aren't we? "...back me up in a reverse-psychological way?" How verbose. No, just the facts. I try not to go overly ad hominem, so to your "physics is not your strong point"- touche' should suffice. Why did building 7 not get mentioned originally, I don't know. Does that support any of the claims made in the videos? No. Evidence of a plane at the pentagon? Here it is.http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/index.html#parts The photo shown previously unequivocally debunks the "free fall theories presented by so many "Truthers". That is, if your not too "physics challenged".
I didn't think I was being paranoid - but that doesn't mean that 'They' aren't out to get me, lol. I suspect that we aren't having any meeting of minds here because yours was made up for you some time ago.
Thus, a '9/!! Meme-Equation' :
Some relevant links :
a) http://9-11cc.org/ ;
b) http://stj911.org/ ;
c) http://911truth.org/ ;
d) http://911scholars.org/ ;
e) http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ ;
f.) http://scientistsfor911truth.org/ ;
g) http://firefightersfor911truth.org/ ;
h) http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/ ;
i.) http://www.ae911truth.org/index.php &
j.) http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/911/ .
Thank-you for all of your important contributions here.
e tenebris, lux ...
True, I have, barring any additional evidence that I can consider credible, made my mind up. I have looked into this issue quite extensively in the past. I have listened to the assertions of "truthers", and judged them to be non-credible. I'm sure you are aware of Ockhams razor. I'm also convinced that this occurrence was used, "Shock Doctrine" style to further the ends of the Bush admin. Frankly, I'm surprised that this is something that you have attached yourself to, considering the demonstrated intelligence of the things you post here. so I return your words. Thank you for your contributions as well.
No worries. We all have crosses to bear. No hard feelings from me. Take care, stay well, stay aware !!!
fiat lux ; fiat pax ; fiat justitia ...
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Fear-based societies are created by conspiracy theory delusions.
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I'm in no fucking mood trashy!! YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!! Don't like it, then quit fucking bumping it! PSYCHOPATH!! Got any more death metal pics you wanna send me?!?! Creep!!!!!!!
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using the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as an excuse to invade Iraq is an insult to the families of the dead
Making up 911 conspiracy theories to sell books is an insult to the families of the dead, and the dead themselves.
true but congress and bush wanted a piece of Iraq so they lied about it's connection to 911
Two wrongs don't make a right.
huh?
It's not because Bush and friends profited from the Islamic terrorist attack that conspiracy theorists should to. Otherwise put, conspiracy theorists are not excused from insulting families of the dead, and the dead themselves by profiting from 911 just because Bush and friends also profited.
Bush and Congress conducted a conspiracy
con·spir·a·cy/kənˈspirəsē/ Noun:
Two wrongs don't make a right.
911 Truthers are the cancer of modern American critical thought.
indeed
we have little control over our own government
That's why you shouldn't vote and take part in OWS protests. Join my team: The Crew For OWS Facuality AKA Bridge To The Ground, we have an ongoing fight against Partisan Powers and Conspiracy Crusaders.
DKAtoday, the Obama lover and leader of Partisan Powers got Odin, April, and I banned. We need help and your power. Join us before it's too late. Partisan Powers are trying to take this forum and turn it into an Obama campaign. Jart has fallen prey to their tactics, she has become softer than melted butter.
Stop recruiting & co-opting established posters 'Tr@ashyTrollTyrant" !!
caveat emptor ...
Hi shadz, Thank you for good article.
Imagine, 2970 death certificates with the wrong cause of death, all to conduct treason.
http://algoxy.com/conc/fema_deception.html
Excellent post.
"Ground Zero Redux", by Pepe Escobar :
Only The Future Matters but the present is mired in the past. Thanx 'TR' . ~*~ .
respice ; adspice ; prospice ...
"We Are at War : The War on Terror exploits the tragedy of September 11 for the benefit of a very few.", by Johnny Barber :
“We are at War. Somebody is Going to Pay.” (George W. Bush, Sept 11th, 2001)
What has happened has happened - there's NO going back. Someone I love & deeply respect recently said to me that she didn't think that we'd ever get to The Truth of 9/!! & have come to see this too. We all have positions that are maybe unpalatable to others - here's hoping that we can keep minds open and hearts soft because 'stone-hearted ; closed minded s.o.b.'s are a pain in everyone's (..x..).
I too spent years believing what I was told & the process of shifting my perceptions and consciousness was long, very hard and really rather painful.
pax et lux ; nunc et semper ; hic et ubique .
I watched the planes hit - live on tv - I watched people jumping - live on tv.
It's my opinion that the whole conspiracy has been deliberately designed to distract from the probability that we knew it was coming and did nothing.
Heat does strange things to metal.
Pay attention next time a fuel truck explodes under a bridge. The steel beams in the over pass will buckle - and I'm positive that your average bridge has a lot less weight to it than several floors of the Twin Towers.
I kinda want to let the matter go now but these buildings were massively over engineered to take the huge forces of hurricanes etc. There were fires burning for approximately an hour each & then later 3 Towers had massive & total systems failure & disintegrated !!!
Fires are the given cause for this. It has never happened before or since. IF such a thing can happen - then building codes all around the world are BS & need to be amended. Then there is WTC Bldg. 7 of course. I didn't even know about that until 2004 & I have never gotten over "TheWTF?!" factor, sigh.
pax ...
the planes were loaded with jet fuel - similar to diesel. they measure it by the pound for aircraft. They were loaded for a cross country trip. I'm not going to google to determine how many gallons they should have had on board.
Diesel burns hot. Inside it must have been like an oven, retaining the heat.
Planes of that size have never hit buildings - not before, not since - like they did that day.
jet fuel burns much much hotter than diesel. Zen i have watched these forums for some time and i disagree with you 98% of the time but you are right on this one.
that's interesting. You do realize, of course, that would seem to make you right only about 4 percent of the time. How does it feel to be so consistently wrong?
Is it, I wonder, a deliberate decision on your part? I mean, how else can one explain such a track record?
Or a more likely answer is that covet stupidity and do not. Are how wrong you are ...only a retard thinks he's always right.
Math isn't your strong suite, I see.
I did not say, nor would I insist, on being right all the time. HEavens no. I'm wrong perhaps two percent of the time . . . . which makes it highly likely that when you agree with me, you happen to be right - and it is entirely possible based on the math that these are the only such occasions . . . .
So, giving you the benefit of the doubt - assuming the times you agree with me you are in fact correct, and since I am wrong two percent of the time and the times you disagree with me are all other times, even when I am incorrect, we arrive at a figure of four percent.
Four percent. That's some track record. You must be conservative . . .
I am conservative I make no bones about it. You must be on crack to think your numbers are that good. As for the few times I agreed with you well the sun shines on a dogs ass every now and then doesn't it
When the potato crop failed in Ireland, the landed gentry of England - that would be conservatives - saw such a tremendous demand for their harvest that they insisted Parliament institute tariffs on American imports of grain.
Before it was over, more than one million Irish - men, women, and children, died of starvation and disease.
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It's truly surprising that someone of your intelligence is fooled by the childlike logical fallacies of 911 Truthers. I thought you would have been sharper. Perhaps you are deluded.
The LoneStranger get to boring 4 U? Had to start another sock?
Deja vu "Tr@shy'' ? Et encore a toi :
http://www.globalresearch.ca/did-9-11-justify-the-war-in-afghanistan/19891
http://davidraygriffin.com/ .
salut ...
I agree. The facts are here. http://www.debunking911.com/index.html
Thanx for your necessary balancing item. As you'll see from the hysterical spamming of this thread by our resident house troll - 9/!! evokes deep, visceral reactions which can by-pass rhyme, reason and rationality - perhaps even my own, lol. The matter takes on 'near religious' fervour in some and like religion some things become a question of faith & belief - on both sides.
Again - what has happened has happened - there's NO going back. Someone I love and deeply respect recently said to me that she didn't think that we'd ever get to The Truth of 9/!! & I have come to see this too but I'm sorry to say that 'The Definitive CONspiracy Theory' is 'The Official Version', in my opinion !!
However, whatever lies behind that fateful day - we are all now in its continued aftermath. The 'fallout' has been falling out for over a decade now and it still continues to do so.
respice ; adspice ; prospice ...
I agree, this issue takes on a religious fervor.(notice.I left out the modifier "near") It is for this reason that I will only go so far in trying to make my point of view known and then "let it be". We know, religious discussions tend to be endless, and are not about facts. I appreciate your non-emotional, non-hysterical adult response. I think this sort of idea becomes more believable than it might otherwise be, because we know our so-called leaders have, and do lie to us. That said, to slightly modify Freud's original intent with the Phrase;"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".
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I profit? Hows that, "doctor". I would think a "doctor" would be able to read. I will re-post the link that I posted earlier in this thread, DEBUNKING, "truthers. Pay attention. http://www.debunking911.com/index.html
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Does your mommy know your on her computer?
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So, to your level of intellect, when I post a link, debunking the conspiracy theories, that is selling conspiracy theories. Brilliant.
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provide a link
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Good luck with that.
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I prefer presenting factual truth, to infantile behavior.
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'Trashy' - from your response on :
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[-] -1 points by DrSteinWithaker (-34) 16 minutes ago
You profit from the dead. Your delusions lead to the most despicable actions. Take your medication, there's no need to live in the clutches of schizophrenia.
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'Trashy' : Your projection of your own now self-evident psychopathology is the most interesting aspect of your words here. Your ridiculous accusations and deep desire to keep bumping this thread has all the indications of delusionary state and obsessive compulsive behaviour. Talk of meds is a further sign and mirror into your own reality. Your multiple personalities are unravelling & I even feel kind of sorry for you.
cura te ipsum ...
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for you to think there is no threat at all shows the extreme other side of the issue.......putting your head in the sand is just as bad as thinking everyone is out to get you.....
I have NO idea WTF you are on about. Threat ? What threat ? To who ?
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Like I said your head in the sand
My "head is in the sand", huh ? But yours is far up you (..x..) - so ok, we're kinda even ... though I can at least get mine out !!!
verum ex absurdo ...
It wouldn't do you any good you. Life is hard; it's even harder when your stupid...you are stupid
Prove It Dumbo !!!
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You actually just did for me.
Where did Ali go? Oh, you went to the other computer for a second! Very impressive computer usage. You are quite skilled.
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care to explain the Feb. 1993 attack on the world trade center, done by muslims with a car bomb?
Nope. You go do that & report back 'asap'. Thanx.
fiat lux ...
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generally I like text art - but that sucks.
I looks better with tired eyes
It's a face of Marylin
what bullshit
trashy doesn't like conspiracy - so he engages in conspiracy to deny people the right to speak or even to think for themselves.
what an asshole.
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you read the rules you fucking asshole.
you fukin scumbag
one thread
let it go
or not
I posted on it many times
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I was in NY, on the East River that September morning. I had just finished remarking to a co-worker what a beautiful day it was. We turned around to see smoke billowing out of one of the WTC towers. I suspected it was a terrorist attack, and I knew that the world as we know it would be changing dramatically, but i never could have guessed to the enormous extent that it has.
I taped a lot of the coverage of the news that day, but in all the years that have passed, I have never had the urge to view it again. Although for different reasons, I am not a conspiracy theorist, I do believe that 9/11 was used as a opportunistic 'launching pad' to carry on a nefarious Empire agenda.
Friend - I'm sorry to say that 'The Definitive CONspiracy Theory' is 'The Official Version', in my opinion !! The phrase 'Conspiracy Theory' has undergone an Orwellian Redefinition and thus please consider that “conspiracy theory”, now no longer means any events that are explained by a conspiracy. Instead, now it currently means an explanation - or even a fact, that is somehow out of step with the government’s own explanation and that of its MSM pimps and whores. Thus, in other words - as any truth might become increasingly uncomfortable for government and its Ministry of Propaganda, any new 'truth' is now redefined as "conspiracy theory", by which is meant absurd and laughable explanations that we ought to apparently ignore. In other words, 'the truth' of the event was unacceptable to the authorities and to the Ministry of Propaganda that represents The Interests of The Authorities & TPTB.
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Yes agreed, to say that "I am not a conspiracy theorists" is false. It is just I like so many other people, I do not want to confront the hard truths. To seek the truth alone, or with only a few others is a daunting task, but it is a courageous one. In any event, yes it is a sign of a lack of mettle on my part.
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I wonder what the Occupiers think of 9/11, particularly the Occupiers who were at Liberty/Zuccotti Park, on the edge of ground zero.
'T_T-Bot' : Why do you keep bumping this thread ?
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Um, this was my first comment on this thread.
Comment # 101 = Which "my" ?!
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I (Rickyrab) had only made one comment before you replied that I "kept bumping" this thread. Now it's three comments, two of which were responses to your comments.
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Jill Told Bill
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The Walls Came Down by The Call (1983)
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building bombs 'til bunkers boil
getting paid for shell filled toil
if I am to work tomorrow
lobe the load on foreign soil
yep US only pays 41% of the total world military budget
World Military budget in Billions (percent total) by Nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
Global Arms Sales By Supplier Nations
39% United States
18% Russia
8% France
7% United Kingdom
5% Germany
3% China
3% Italy
11% Other European
5% Others
http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business#GlobalArmsSalesBySupplierNations
TOP 10 Arms Produces
Notes: An S denotes a subsidiary company. A dash (–) indicates that the company did not rank among the SIPRI Top 100 for 2009
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/mar/02/arms-sales-top-100-producers