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Posted 5 months ago on March 26, 2020, 7:30 a.m. EST by elf3 (4187)
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The things that would have saved our people and economy - FREEZING LOANS RENTS AND MORTGAGES AND SHELTER IN PLACE rushing to produce ventilators and hazard pay for emergency workers...

("Don't worry folks your mortgage companies and landlords will work with you - we have entrusted them to do the right thing for you") fingers crossed.

has been replaced by a measly check that won't amount to much while the unemployment system is literally crashing in our state with wait times long enough (estimation is months IF they can get it working and we are just at the beginning of it) to induce foreclosure and eviction. We are about to see mass homelessness in the middle of a pandemic. Do they expect us to file in line to our Covid refugee tent cities? Are you kidding me? I think the gun nuts were right because the only way they are getting me out is feet first. (Good luck trying to negotiate with banks - because the phone line won't pick up I guarantee it.) So Trump's and Republican shark crony swamp bankster friends can buy up our properties. I don't think so!! And Democrats congrats - you screwed the middle class again - good job! Republicans are right about Pelosi - she is a crazy lunatic who believes she is middle class and that we are just like her instead of realizing the struggle she is in some sort of naïve stupor fantasy land cloud # 9 where we are all set and we (and our kids) need to sacrifice and bleed out some more as she puts on her best crazy Jackie Kennedy voice and looks off into the clouds to glimpse her halo! #nuts, rich, & out of touch! #learn how to prioritize!

Instead of Eating Covid! - Americans who can should donate checks to help build ventilators. Show Congress what common sense and empathy looks like. Where are all the philanthropic donators now offering to set up a factory and rush out ventilators (we are going to need them) - am I hearing crickets as the stocks plummet and tax incentives dry up? Big Surprise. But they sure kept construction going so developers will have the cash flow to buy your houses!

Tar and Feather!!!!!Revolution!!!Dirty GREEDY Pigs!!!TURNCOATS!!!SHAM!!!!(Cortez can stay- I trust the waitress) Oust the rest!!!!!

("Don't worry folks your mortgage companies and landlords will work with you - we have entrusted them to do the right thing for you") fingers crossed.

Really wish the Koch brothers were alive so we could hoist them up on their cross and force them to watch the damage from the faulty foundation they instituted play out. #bloody ideology

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[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

"President Donald Trump's son-in-law and special advisor Jared Kushner reportedly urged his father-in-law in the early stages of the coronavirus pandemic not to prioritize testing or ordering potentially life-saving equipment like ventilators because of fears it might drive down stock prices.

"Kushner's efforts to convince the president not to take decisive action were first reported in the Financial Times:

e tenebris - tenebris!

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4187) 5 months ago

Either this President's has denial and personality disorder which causes him to live in an alternate reality (and will lead us over a cliff) or he is evil (and will leave us over a cliff). They got what they wanted - big money big money big money and a measly subsidy that will go right back in the pockets of corporations and Wall Street. We are totally expendable. They are among the most wholly selfish disgusting filth ever to walk on this planet. The news has a story how to protect yourself shopping for groceries - sorry grocery workers - I guess your lives don't matter.

And everyone don't forget this money didn't fall from the sky - it's yours - you know the taxpayers. So let's remember to thank each other for helping each other out and tell corporations who contribute zero - thanks for nothing!

[-] 1 points by gsw (3324) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 months ago

Ironic how gop government always results in bad economy for little guy, who continues to vote for gop

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4187) 5 months ago

I agree. So we have to think of it like this - 62 percent of people will listen to an authority figure simply if they seem authoritative. see Martha Stout - the sociopath next door. 1:25 people are sociopaths. The majority of people are good but doing the wrong thing by listening to bad people aka sociopaths. Sociopaths are quite often successful, powerful, and sociable. They are great at convincing people they have things all figured out and under control (usually they don't every thought is spent on how to benefit their own interests in the moment and they can't plan 5 seconds ahead because they can't ever see beyond the present moment). We tend to think of sociopaths as quiet serial killers with sheets of plastic in their basements - this is not the case. In example Jared Kushner. Sociopaths do not feel empathy or remorse. The other problem is the entire media has been bought by special interest and is working on behalf of corporations to conquer democracy through a vast propaganda machine which contrary to Trump's assertions actually works for the same interests he does but by pretending they are not working together they try to make it seem as though it's fair. Until the 62 percent wake up - the rest of us have the job of shaking them out of their stupor and throwing cold water on the situation. While the media is working hard to keep us compliant. The media wants us to have guilt. And hero syndrome. They work very hard to convince us we are inherently unworthy and that someone else always has it harder. It's hard to work up the self motivation to fight for a right when you feel unworthy and that your cause might not be as bad as someone else's (most often the child with cancer working to save other children with cancer) they show these stories frequently and there's a reason for that; they want you to believe you need to sacrifice more and that you have it just fine. They also want to keep us divided so we don't unite against special interest corporations and lobbyists aka Wall Street. They show a lot of stories geared to instigate tribalism which is also a human instinct especially in times of stress - we look for familiarity. Keeping us heavily divided keeps us distracted when together we are quite capable of defeating the special interest power and control that serves only the 1 percent and turns the rest of us into their servants.

The 62 percent will likely do the right thing - as soon as they realize that's an option and someone points out they are doing the wrong thing. People want to be good. Many people following the Nazis were totally unaware they were committing atrocities by being good little dubies following the rules even if it meant rounding up and killing their fellow humans. As insane as it seems - apparently human nature is to follow the rules. It's our job to point out that those societal rules may not actually be the same thing as ethical rules. Evicting people from homes during a pandemic or because of a pandemic - is highly unethical. So it's up to the local law enforcement and judges and constables on whether to enforce these rules. We need to work at convincing them not to follow this particular societal rule. That's our job. Writing our local officials. Getting this issue in front of the public - giving people the option and idea and PERMISSION that it's ok to break an UNETHICAL societal rule. That is how democracy and empathy and common sense (common interest sense) wins. How do we know it is the right thing? It is comprised of compassion for our fellow human beings. When compassion and empathy is leading over fear, self interest, or following authority - we can be sure it is the right thing to do. And that is also how patriots are made. When our sense of justice and ethics pulls us to rise above unethical societal rules - then we must act in our empathy to change the rules and break them when the situation calls for it. This same ideology works in prisons as well - inmates are divided and they don't unite to fight for their voices and rights as they are too busy fighting with each other. It keeps them busy and distracted and the gate could even be wide open...but they are too busy and caught up to notice it.

It is also a brave person to be the first person to break the chain for it is fraught with risk and punishment. It is a sacrifice born of anything but self-interest. I think it will be easy for people to stop paying bills - but it will be much harder for a constable to risk his job - to refuse to comply. He who is willing to disobey and risk personal sacrifice - will be the true hero.

[-] 1 points by gsw (3324) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 months ago

He has a cult of nutters and FOX friends of gop, bible fans.

Here is some reality we should all face, thanks for speaking your truth

Risk High That Psychological Pitfalls Will Cause U.S. COVID-19 Outbreak To Be More Fatal Than The Spanish Flu

Also, we confront potential economic shitstorm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hershshefrin/2020/03/29/risk-high-that-psychological-pitfalls-will-cause-us-covid-19-outbreak-to-be-more-fatal-than-the-spanish-flu/#145765f1402d

[-] 1 points by gsw (3324) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 months ago

The record number of unemployment claims this past week provides support for the forecast that the U.S. economy will experience a peak-to-trough decline whose magnitude is comparable to that experienced during the Great Depression. The integrated assessment model tells us that this is unavoidable, even if we choose the weakest possible containment policy.

We just have to face facts, focus on our traditional values, and do our best to limit the damage from psychological pitfalls, so that we do not make a bad situation much worse than it needs to be.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 5 months ago

Donate checks to build ventilators! Yes, I agree. It's down to us to save ourselves. The bastard rentier class, billionaires and banks aren't going to do it.

Definitely, do not pay your rent or mortgage with your measly one off check. Use it for your family's basic needs and nothing else.

Well said, elf.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

''The COVID-19 Crisis Won’t Be Over by Easter, and $2 Trillion Is Not Enough'', by Wm.R-P:

Thanx for your extremely heartfelt forum-post elf. You have very important things to say to and for Americans. If U join Twitter, tho' U'd only have 280 characters, U could still link to your posts here.

fiat lux et fiat justitia, ruat caelum ...

(let there be light & let justice be done, though the heavens fall)

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 5 months ago

"COVID-19, however, gives zero fucks. The virus does not obey Trump’s laws of bent political gravity. This clod of failure honestly believes that if he fires Fauci and tells everyone to ignore the warnings his own government has been screaming about for weeks, it will all settle down into a pebble-free path to reelection.

That is his motive. That is his only motive. Your life is forfeit in the face of Trump’s need to win in November. Period, end of file.

I am pleading with you, one human being to another: If Trump says everything is fine because of his superior scientific knowledge (he has a relative who went to MIT!), if he says the coronavirus is gone and we can all assume a normal life again, if he dares to say that in the face of Fauci and science, ignore him.

If that happens, stay home, if it’s possible for you to stay home. Do as you were originally told — before the money got nervous about the absence of profit and poured its greedy, impatient poison into Trump’s ear — if you can afford to do so. Don’t listen to him. Listen to SCIENCE, even if/when it gets fired.

The president of the United States is lying to you.

He wants you to go back to work because his wealthy friends are feeling the pinch. You, who are the economy, are not participating in the flywheel of the wealth machine because SCIENCE told you not to. You are doing what you are supposed to do, what Dr. Fauci told you to do. Please continue to keep yourself safe."

From truth out: https://truthout.org/articles/trump-will-feed-you-to-covid-19-to-keep-the-money-happy/

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 5 months ago

Banks are partially causing these viruses.

A thorough read of this article:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/is-factory-farming-to-blame-for-coronavirus

shows that Goldman Sachs has invested in factory farms in China of the kind that have caused previous viruses.

"China is one of the world’s major exporters of poultry, but its poultry industry is not wholly Chinese-owned. After the recession of 2008, for example, New York-based investment bank Goldman Sachs diversified its holdings and moved into Chinese poultry farms. So if China has its share of responsibility for spillover events, it isn’t alone. That is why Wallace insists on talking about relational geographies rather than absolute geographies, when it comes to identifying the causes of disease. Or as he puts it: “Follow the money.”"

Makes me think that the less animal/meat we eat the better, not just for the environment and our general health but for our health with regard to future pandemics as well.

Always, follow the money! WTF is Goldman Sachs doing investing in poultry farms in China anyway? So, this is what banks do, they siphon profit away from the American people and then go and invest overseas. Just gross all around!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

Goldman fkn Sachs sucks, man! I know for an absolute fact that they are marketing themselves right now, as having insights for Post Corona Virus Crisis investment opportunities!! And how do I know this? Because due to a tweet I did not long ago, critiquing the bastards ... they now seem to see fit to market themselves to me on my Twitter Time-Line .. much to my chagrin!!! Here is an example that sent me on a research mission - https://twitter.com/GoldmanSachs/status/1244308339628130308 &, because I did not like what I saw, I decided to research who "Sharmin Mossavar-Rahmani" was & this is what I found:

One prejudice I have about RW Iranian-Americans, is the same one I have re. RW, Cuban-Americans ie. a rabid desire to lay waste their home countries of origin to the ravages of Neoliberal Economics, via US Neocon Imperial Foreign Policy! Re.2nd link, note: https://tiger21.com/ & ask WtF are these fkrs about?!! Thanx for your reply above & I was suitably enraged & disgusted by it in equal measure - growl & yuck!!!

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas!

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23316) 5 months ago

Goldman Sachs is a scourge!

When they donate money to "study" Iran and Persian gulf studies at Princeton University, you know what that means. That means they seek to control the discussion and ideas re. Iran and Persian studies to suit their needs!

Capitalism and banking do not seek knowledge for the sake of knowledge, that is a ruse! They want to prove points and re-write history to suit them and their pursuit of profit! A joke!

Academia is a questionable source of knowledge when it is funded by corporations and banks, quite frankly!

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (2460) from Fredericksburg, TX 5 months ago
[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 months ago

"Any rate of interest may be thought of as a doubling time. What doubles is not real growth, but the parasitic financial burden on this growth. The more the debt burden grows, the less income is left for spending on goods and services. More than any of his contemporaries, Marx emphasized the tendency for debt to grow exponentially, at compound interest, extracting more and more income from the economy at large as debts double and redouble, beyond the ability of debtors to pay. This slows investment in new means of production, because it shrinks domestic markets for output."

"The aim is to get rich by purely financial means – by increasing stock-market prices, not by tangible capital formation. That is the opposite of the industrial logic of expanding the economy and its markets. Instead of creating a more productive economy and raising living standards, finance capitalism is imposing austerity by diverting wage income and also corporate income to pay rising debt service, health insurance and payments to privatized monopolies. Progressive income and wealth taxation has been reversed, siphoning off wages to subsidize privatization by the rentier class.

This combination of debt overgrowth and regressive fiscal policy has produced two results. First, combining debt deflation with fiscal deflation leaves only about a third of wage income available to be spent on the products of labor. Paying interest, rents and taxes – and monopoly prices – shrinks the domestic market for goods and services. Second, adding debt service, monopoly prices and a tax shift to the cost of living and doing business renders neo-rentier economies high-cost. That is why the U.S. economy has been deindustrialized and its Midwest turned into a Rust Belt."

Quotes above are from Michael Hudson.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

"From Marx to Goldman Sachs: The Fictions of Fictitious Capital" ... by Dr. Michael Hudson:

A quite dense but ultimately rewarding read. Re. "Capitalism & banking do not seek knowledge for the sake of knowledge, that is a ruse! They want to prove points and re-write history to suit them and their pursuit of profit!"+"Academia is a questionable source of knowledge when it is funded by corporations and banks" Emphatically yes! Your excellent capacity to sum up core truths, is very appreciated again.

et fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 5 months ago

Capitalism is Parasitism! Ugh at the truth of this quote below!

From https://michael-hudson.com/2010/07/from-marx-to-goldman-sachs-the-fictions-of-fictitious-capital1/

"In contrast to industrial capital (tangible means of production), bank loans, stocks and bonds are legal claims on wealth. These financial claims do not create the surplus directly, but are like sponges absorbing the income and property of debtors – and expropriate this property when debtors (including governments) cannot pay. “Usury centralises money wealth,” Marx elaborated. “It does not alter the mode of production, but attaches itself to it as a parasite and makes it miserable. It sucks its blood, kills its nerve, and compels reproduction to proceed under even more disheartening conditions. … usurer’s capital does not confront the laborer as industrial capital,” but “impoverishes this mode of production, paralyzes the productive forces instead of developing them.”

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

"Over 70 Percent of Jobless Americans Didn’t Receive March Unemployment Benefits"

WHY? Because the "Parasitism" goes on & on & on... mostly because Usurers are in charge!

q.e.d.?!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 months ago

Billionaires Getting Richer During COVID-19 Pandemic While Most Americans Suffer as the people who need the stimulus money the most, are not getting it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/04/18/poor-homeless-stimulus-checks-michigan/5149475002/

"Billionaires Are Getting Richer During The COVID-19 Pandemic While Most Americans Suffer"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/04/27/billionaires-are-getting-richer-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-while-most-americans-suffer/#28d4ab844804

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

In the U$A "It's been a confusing time for many taxpayers as some receive stimulus money quickly & others struggle to try to figure out when their money will arrive. Unfortunately, many people who may desperately need the money could fall through the cracks without a little extra help." from 'USA Today' link. I can't see enough of 'Forbes' link to read it but the info therein is almost definitely correct, given Forbes' area of expertise! Further to your links ...

fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 2 months ago

30% of Americans missed housing payments, for rent or mortgage, in June 2020.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/16/30percent-of-americans-missed-their-housing-payments-in-june.html

That's a shocking number. We haven't even begun to feel the pain yet.

"Columbia University researchers estimate that homelessness could increase by between 40% and 45% this year over where it was in January 2019."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Meanwhile "Trump Uses Mount Rushmore Speech to Deliver Divisive Culture War Message." by Annie Karni:

"Down in the polls and failing to control a raging pandemic, the president cast himself as waging battle against a “new far-left fascism” that imperils American values and seeks to erase history."

multum in parvo ....

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 2 months ago

Where are the Biden commercials?

I'm seeing a lot of hard hitting Trump commercials. Where's Joe? Are the Democrats gonna fight the monster? Or, are they gonna throw the election?

We certainly know they lay in the same corporate beds.

I tell you, I am so sick of how this country is run. Give us back our democracy!

So, now, apparently, Kanye West (lunatic friend of Trump) can run for President as a third party candidate, but it was too friggin' radical for Bernie Sanders to run third party? Wake up, people! You're being conned.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8258) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

"Kanye West can run a third party campaign but friggin' Bernie Sanders can't. WTF? If only people would wake up and see that their interests are not the same as someone like Kanye West or his pal Jared Kushner."

Trump's people are helping to get West on the ballot to pull votes from Biden and help Trump win. I don't think Bernie wants to help Trump win, that's why he's not running third party, not because he "can't".

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

Kanye West has gone West, way out West and he ain't coming back anytime soon! + Consider ...

"COVID Deaths Continue to Surge in Countries Led by Far Right Authoritarians" by Jack Delaney:

As: "Amid the pandemic, far right governments are focused on power grabs and appeasing capital while workers suffer."

fiat justitia ruat caelum!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 1 month ago

Kanye West can run a third party campaign but friggin' Bernie Sanders can't. WTF? If only people would wake up and see that their interests are not the same as someone like Kanye West or his pal Jared Kushner.

Of course Covid deaths are surging in countries with right authoritarian governments. Right wingers don't give a sh-t about the people.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 months ago

Biden probably has few ideas for how to lead the country, not much different from Trump. In any case, both just want to get in there to convert public money into private money so there isn't much difference there between them. Maybe Biden only plays midnight skinny dipping with women around ( skinny dipping was an ancient practice, still practiced in some cultures, and not hygienically required of males in the U.S. anymore due to the chlorination of water--White House pool should already have this but some people may well stay oldie foggie but with a female Secret Service agent around, it could cause her to feel being sexually harassed on the job so it's better not done in order to respect her culturally inculcated feelings ) and local finger golfing but not with Airforce-One flights in Trumpanzee style to KdF ( Kraft durch Freude--Hongkongers need this, too, to decompress ) Jewpeeter so we'll thereby save a few hundreds of millions of dollars as long as we can find a few good non-virgin ( I don't want Biden to create yet another bloody mess as in Syria again so he needs cleared passage for his fingers--note that it generally provides better contact feeling with two rather than just a puny single finger ) and willing women who love to be fingered in powerful and earth-shaking locales and be paid for by the government--it's a step in the direction of keeping mature White males happy in Maturoblancostan ( other countries' leaders already have government-funded harem so the U.S. can surely join in the name of alignment this historically worldwide tradition without much objection at all; besides, LeBlanca has already shown how it should be done: Stim-u-more.)

Trump 2040 Qualifications.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 5 months ago

Whether to follow the village "fool" or stay with the village butcher is each human villager's choice. At the center of the garden in the East, the Lord planted two trees to let man of the earth have free choice of whose fruit to eat. They came with FDA-approved food labels.

Now-non-U.S.-based corporations having done any tax inversion to evade U.S. corporate taxes must not eat a fruit from the tree of life but they shall be encouraged to eat a fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Having evaded paying U.S. corporate taxes must mean getting no U.S. taxpayer-funded corporate bailouts. They don't pay in so they don't get pay-out. Government doesn't live on debts alone but on every two bits coming from the tax base.

Repeatedly rewarding bad behavior creates moral hazard, prominently displayed for all the world ( e.g. after the Great Recession crash, AIG executive bonus funded by government bailout to ensure the insurance of commercial flights to continue to spread pandemics, such as from Wuhan of gloriously-red racist Fuckgina to Lombardy of I-tally [solid coffins galore] ) to see yet again ( not only in the Orange-utan; the current CP/C viral pandemic can't be fixed by "the Apprentice" method : the young kid [who somehow knew enough Greek alphabets to fill in an account holder's name on a bank withdrawal slip for an astronomical sum to be withdrawn] hopped gleefully onto a black-leather tall-back executive chair, bounced upon it and spun around a few times, and then pointed an index finger at the office-furniture-store clerk and loudly pronounced, "you are Fired !"; in a horror of horrors, this kid then turned towards its parents and said, "and you! and you !"; everyone around was shocked frozen, motionless, with their jaws dropped wide open; the kid then sported the expressions of a self-congratulatory Ducktator ).