Forum Post: Start causing "stops"...
Posted 11 years ago on Dec. 26, 2012, 10:27 a.m. EST by KofA
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Greetings fine people of the ows forum,
Is anyone here still active in the movement? I have a slightly different idea for a protest. They'd be called "stops", similar to "happenings", only without the music or dancing. Just more and more people gathering, properly spaced, to stop, stand, and simply look about in disappointment at the world we have created...
By properly spaced, I mean enough to cause others to stop as well...to close and they walk around, to far apart, and they just meander through...
What do you think?
*Did this motion ever get passed: http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-motion-i-seek-a-2nd/ ?
Where would I go for that update?
Great idea! Let's do it when the resurgence of the 'movement' happens. That would be last spring? lol
Have another hit.
One more hit... :)
Yay!
I love this idea. And it wouldn't have to be limited to disappointment. By stopping, people would also eventually come to see connections, the delicate interconnected world, the dance of life of which they are a part. This stopping thing is a fantastic idea. Genius. Brings awareness.
Thanks! Now how do we work together to make this a reality? Who do we pass the idea along to?
Oh and did you check out the other post, about the single message, purpose marches, protected by constitutional shields?
There is no "they" to pass this along to. Having a "they" has been the structural problem all along. It's what got us into this mess because we handed over our citizenship duties to "them". There is no they in the occupy movement. There is only we. That's part of the realization that begins to solve the problem at its root. Such talk as what I'm saying here used to frustrate me. But now I get it. It's up to us, each of us to join in community with others and get things done.
I thought OWS filed as a 501c3...? Who signed those documents?
Because "they" are the power structure, the doers and sayers..."They" sign leases to rent offices, and "they" are responsible for how the funds are spent.
THE problem with this movement, is that it pretends to be "leaderless", when in fact there ARE puppet masters behind the scenes, they simply remain unknown and unaccountable.
So you think the millions of people across the world that supported and / or participated in occupy we're following orders of some central command? You're high man. That's just not the case. It's also simply impossible. Think about what happened in a span of a few weeks. . . Think about the GA's that were set up. David Graeber or Adbusters or Chris Hedges or whoever you think is leading this didn't do that. The people did. On their own.
No, that's not what I said. But to suggest that there is no "they" is inaccurate.
It is the complete lack of an up down central processing point that is hold OWS back...
Actually, if there were a central processing point, occupy couldn't have expanded. It would have been targeted, discredited, destroyed in no time.
That's just not true either...
OWS tried to re-invent the wheel, and now they cobble along on square tires. It rattled itself to pieces before ever getting started.
What OWS still lacks is "leadership", a congressional plan, and the infrastructure to employ ideas like the one I present above.
Instead, we are having this exchange...
But this exchange you and Inare having is healthy. And guess what. It's being had all over the world in coffee shops, chat rooms, forums, church basements, supper tables, around water coolers and break room tables. The jig is up on consumer culture and people are deciding what they want instead. It's happening man. The occupy movement is, in some ways, as active as ever.
You keep saying "they". It's we. If you want something to happen, you have to join with others and make it happen. You can't sit back and ask people to do it for you.
It's healthy, but it is a waste of time...
Let's talk about who we can get plan to, so that it is employed?
If it is a good strategy, let's use it!
I would refer you to the conversation some were having with redjazz a year ago. Redjazz kind of laid out the process. The simplified overview is: if you have an idea, check to see if anyone else is already working on it. If they are, join them. If they aren't, hone your idea and present it to others. In a matter of days, weeks, months or years, it will happen if it's a good idea.
What redjazz pointed out (whether you like him or not) is that there is a specific process for this. It's part of the reason Occupy went from a few people camping in a park to a worldwide phenomenon in only a few weeks.
"Redjazz"...?
Is he/she here?
Yeah, I am somewhat familiar with "the process", but I am no were near any active GA's, so I'd need a sponsor to do the introducing...
That said, I sincere believe that OWS main problem is the complete lack of a working infrastructure that CAN take an idea like this and begin using it immediately. That there is no head, or mouth to this beast, leads only to inaction and unaccountability.
"Redjazz" does sound familiar...I don't recall disliking anyone, personally. I am however a BIG fan of Robert's Rules of Order...I think the GA system is greatly flawed.
Google occupywallst.org redjazz and see conversations on some of those links re GA's. Roberts rules actually reinforces current power structure in some ways. Check out a GA sometime.
Within RRO, so long as the Chair wants a truly democratic result, everything will be fine. ANY ruling structure can be obfuscated by the corrupt...
I've been to 2 GA's. Neither 'accomplished' anything.
Google "occupywallst.org redjazz" and look at the conversation you and others had there with redjazz. He explains it quite elegantly and patiently actually.
And if GA's are useless, how did occupy, a tiny brand new movement spread round the world in a matter of weeks?
You realize that this movement is just getting started right? You realize there's a whole hell of a lot more to come right? You're like the guy who is watching a basketball game and it's 2 minutes into a game that'll last 2 hours and his team is down 8-6.. A whistle blows.... And the guy is all pissed off because he thinks the game is over and his team lost. Dude, we're just getting rolling here. We just got our beers. The players' muscles are still warming up. Stay intense and stay pissed but don't forget we're only 2 minutes into a 2 hour game.
All ideas are welcome It is nice
Well, sure all ideas are welcome, but how do we go about implementing the good ones?
IS this a good idea, SHOULD it be brought to bear?
How do we turn words into action?
Thank you for replying. I just returned to this site. The best way to turn action into words is through words. Never let freedom be killed or over run by dictatorship.
Sound advice indeed, and generic to boot.
Occupy could use a good leader, and those willing to follow and get something done.
OWS, the movement that never went anywhere...
Not just your own voice, but Mass Movements and public conference are highly valued.
You mean like gun bans and gun confiscation??
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No, gun bans aren't actually the answer. In fact it is a belief - without guns, the people cannot protect themselves from the government. Remember Nazi-Hitler Germany?? Where did all the Jews go? Should they not have had the right to protect themselves? We need protection too!!!!
Stage a "FREEZE", but give it a theme with a sign or tee shirt. Here's one that generally showed unity, which is the least it can do.
https://edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=9665
It causes a great internal questioning when there is no reason, or an ambigous freeze. However, I think it will have even more impact when it is specifically dedicated in some way. We can get creative with that.
Great point...I too have been supporting "single message marches" for a while...
Did you check out the other link I provided?
No, missed that one.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-motion-i-seek-a-2nd/
OFM...SURE, sound great.
*Why won't it let me 'respond' to other comments?
Why don't you try a "Occupy Flash Mob" gig. That would get more attention - like in a mall or something.
Anyone going to a GA anytime soon?
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Sounds good