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Forum Post: Spec.Ops Gumshoes and the NDAA

Posted 6 years ago on Jan. 4, 2012, 3:46 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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Kimberly Dozier reports in her article Spec-Ops troops study to be part-spy, part-gumshoe, posted to the Miami Herald on Tuesday, January 3, 2012, that special ops forces have been undergoing specialized training in the area of law enforcement investigative techniques.

Forging lessons painfully learned in the decade since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the formal curriculum is intended to help elite military units track militants across international boundaries and work alongside sometimes competing U.S. agencies.

. . .

Among the students at the CIA-approved Fort Bragg course are Army Green Berets, Navy SEALs and Marine Corps special operators. As in the Navy SEAL raid that killed bin Laden, everything from computers to fingerprints can be retrieved from a raid site and quickly analyzed. In some cases the analysis is so fast it can lead to several new targets in a single night.

The coursework is similar to the CIA's legendary spycraft training center called The Farm, and is at the brainchild of Green Beret Maj. Gen. Bennet Sacolick, a veteran of elite special operations units and a long stint on loan to the CIA.

This is how the Pentagon shapes perception in the public mind. Coming so close as it does on the heels of the President's signature on the NDAA, and the controversy surrounding portions of that bill, there can be no doubt, this article is designed to mollify those minds that as yet remain largely undisturbed by the controversy over whether the military should assume the duties of law enforcement - to include detention of suspects.

Don't get me wrong - I don't give a shit if special ops forces are trained and equipped to gather forensic evidence of all kinds - I just don't care.

And I don't care if Ms. Dozier is in fact a free lance journalist today, cultivating sources inside the Pentagon; or if she is on the payroll of someone inhabiting a cubicle in some dark basement office of the DoD.

These things do not concern me in the least.

What concerns me is this:

We have yet to properly decide that terrorists are indeed criminals; criminals who, having come into U.S. custody, are entitled to all of the protections guaranteed under the Bill of Rights.

On that point my mind is already made up, and there is no need of shaping perceptions.



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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

Marine special forces are called Recon. That is what this is training is.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 6 years ago

read the article. It isn't recon training - it's intel gathering, in the form of forensices.

big difference

not that I care about the training, I don't.

What I do care about is the pr campaign taking place that has as an affect that of easing people's minds around the whole issue of

  • military detention and prosecutorial methods.
[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 6 years ago

Will ACLU Take the NDAA Bull by the Horns, or Just Milk the Cow?

This week the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) set up a new NDAA pledge page that reads as follows:

"He signed it. We'll fight it.

President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) into law. It contains a sweeping worldwide indefinite detention provision.

The dangerous new law can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield. He signed it. Now, we have to fight it wherever we can and for as long as it takes.

Sign the ACLU's pledge to fight worldwide indefinite detention for as long as it takes."


I have not signed it ... yet. I suspect that once I do, I'll start receiving an indefinite stream of donation requests, all assuring me the money will go to fight the indefinite detention provisions of NDAA. I suspect that the ACLU may be gearing up to milk the NDAA issue for donations just as they have the USA Patriot Act, which a decade after passage and despite their efforts is still on the books:


I don't mind the ACLU milking issues so long as they're actually making a difference on those issues. But I don't see that their efforts made much of a difference with respect to the Patriot Act. And when I asked them yesterday "What, specifically, is the ACLU going to do to defeat the indefinite detention provisions of NDAA 2012?" their answer was this:

"We are extremely active on this issue and are strategizing our best options in moving forward."

I find that answer very disappointing. The ACLU had more than enough time to "strategize" about NDAA before Obama signed it, and they should have been ready to spring into action once he did. I have recommended an effective course of action for the ACLU, which includes charging Barack Hussein Obama and all of the U.S. Senators and Representatives who voted for NDAA 2012 with Seditious Conspiracy under U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 115 Section 2384:


Whether they follow that recommendation or not, whatever the ACLU intends to do about NDAA they better do quick. And if they want my support, they better be doing a helluva lot more than just building donor lists from online petition drives that otherwise accomplish nothing:



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[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 6 years ago

which includes charging

  • Barack Hussein Obama

and all of the U.S. Senators and Representatives who voted for NDAA 2012 with Seditious Conspiracy under U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 115 Section 2384:



I bet you are onna them fukin nimrods still convinced the President is a Muslim, and born in AfriKaa . . .

. . . creative mutherfukers . . .

I would remind you he did not write the bill, he signed it. The passage of the bill was designed so that it could meet the conditions necessary whereby a failure to sign would mean the bill doesn't pass; the type of bill - budgetary authorization - assured its passage.

the fukers did the same thing regarding Gitmo last year.

I'm all in favor of charging legislators and others with seditious conspiracy - starting with Kenneth Starr, Dick Cheney, and including Carl Levin and John McCain, last two having been the authors of this particular bill.

And as far as the left / right paradigm goes - I think we know who it is that staunchly opposes the Occupy Movement - but here - a refresher:

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 6 years ago

I could care less if Obama is Muslin, African or Martian. He is just a corporate fascist puppet, like Bush before him, like Clinton before him, etc. But we must indict the puppets to expose the puppetmasters.

As for your left/right unity issues, it should be clear to all that divided we are falling:


"Democrat", "Republican", the parties of the system;

Puppets both, for sale their votes, no character or wisdom.

"Liberal", "Conservative", for change or status quo?

Pick either one, the change is none, all charlatans and whores.

Far "Left" we place the Anarchists, Libertarians claim far "Right";

Yet both decry the government: False continuum brought to light.

For oil, "We" bomb their mud huts, strip them bare, then offer "Aid";

And fake their retribution as pretext - a false flag raised.

Unarmed hundred thousands killed by weapons of "Defense";

While rights are lost for "Freedom" sake - on profit, all depends.

With stroke of pen, the "Patriot" Act, and patriots' gifts are taken;

Then "Citizens United" leaves our citizens forsaken.

We protest loss of liberties, put "World Wide Web" to use;

Cloudmark Authority censors us for "messaging abuse".

They label us to finger-point. With labels, "They" deride us.

Their labels keep us all at bay. For with labels, "They" divide us.



[-] -2 points by PileOfSmegAKAZenDog (-30) 6 years ago

You're an idiot and lack enough spine to disavow those who signed the garbage, or several similar measures.

The fact of the matter is clear, the obama controlled news media is now keyed in on the term "domestic terrorist" and daily the media is desensitizing Americans to the term being applied to everyday people who act out at all.

Get pissed off at your neighbor and kick his ass, somehow you're now a domestic terrorist that hates America.

I'm sure you've missed all this on your dial up.

btw... you and most everyone has long since given implied consent to waive all of these alleged rights and allow the incorporated government to dole them out as license-able and revokable privileges.

If you had any cooth, you'd know this to be true as it's right in front of your eyes hidden in plain sight.