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Forum Post: So let me get this straight. Attacking the Republicans is partisan, but attacking Obama isn’t?

Posted 2 years ago on May 24, 2012, 12:27 p.m. EST by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ
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Have you noticed that only the people who attack Republicans come under attack from the “we shouldn’t be partisan” crowd, but if you attack Obama they give you a big slap on the back. I wonder why that is? Could they be trying to “co-opt” us?

Just an example of what I mean:

“[-]0 points by randy99 (3) 31 minutes ago These pro-regime propaganda trolls are the worst of the bunch: bensdad DKAtoday Factsrfun GypsyKing JIFFYSQUID92 shadz66 shooz VQkag ↥twinkle↧stinklereplypermalink”

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-list-that-started-the-lasted-attacks-i-think-t/#comment-744000

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[-] 6 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Randy99 is another of the many incarnations of one very angry republican. They are desperate and simple minded. LOL. .

[-] 4 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

did you notice the people that were getting lots of up votes during the "attack" all you had to do was say something neg. about Obama and boom, you were like a superstar, makes you wonder about those people, I've been chatting with one of them, he's not a troll at all, so lots of people caught up in this both ways

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

They certainly appear to have something against dems specifically. but i don't have to make final judgements for every poster. I can be open minded

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[+] -14 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That is what I would refer to as a target for stirring divisiveness. We may all have a lot in common so the blind marchers of the sock puppet world will set-up anyone for attack. Vote up some comment and let others go on the attack.

They don't care who comes under fire as long as it is not them - they are just here to support the greedy corrupt criminal status-quo in any way they can. So they try to get supporters for positive change to fight with each other. Easy Peasy.

Lets be careful out there people.

The more you know.

This has been a public service announcement.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

they did some down votes to make it look like I had done them so as to cause conflict, pointed that out to one person but you know, "don't type when angry" and all, not sure if I got through....

[-] -1 points by 00110100 (-4) 2 years ago

Proof That This Forum Is Infested By Pro-Regime Propagandists

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oNfVQ-7M-VQ/THFTY65XDgI/AAAAAAAAAP4/ohnlB1ZUoXo/s1600/march_of_tyranny.jpg

Paid or not, GypsyKing, DKAtoday, Factsrfun, JIFFYSQUID92, shooz, bensdad, VQkag, beautifulworld and others here are pro-regime propagandists. The real proof lies in simply following their postings. But there are thousands of them, and more keep coming every day. So generally speaking, here are the key points to note:

Their overall aim is to co-opt Occupy Movement protesters and supporters into the Democratic Party. They do that by giving the Republican Party the blame for everything that is wrong, and giving the credit for what little might be right to the Democratic Party. They do that by ignoring irrefutable proof that the Democratic Party is controlled by the same corporate fascist elite that controls the Republican Party. They do that by claiming that OWS could somehow magically co-opt the Democratic Party, ignoring irrefutable proof that cannot be done. They do that saying we should support Democrats because they are "not as bad" as Republicans, as if once again voting for the lesser of two evils would actually change anything. They do that by focusing on social and other wedge issues that divide us, while ignoring the issues that unite us: They refuse to acknowledge that what the Republicans and Democrats agree on is far more damaging and dangerous than what they disagree on. They do that by ignoring irrefutable proof that the two major parties are merely the puppets on the Left hand and puppets on the Right hand of the same ruling elite. They do that by claiming anyone who disagrees with them is a "Republican, Repelican, RepubliCON or Koch Whore" and either a "coward, blind marcher, zombie or troll". And no matter how many times you call them out or correct them, no matter how clearly you lay the facts down in front of them, they go right on posting the same "Get out the vote (for Obama)!" propaganda day in and day out.

And curiously, no matter how viciously or often they insult their detractors, they never get banned or even shadow-banned. Yet that will likely happen to me now just for posting this obvious truth. That's already happened more than once:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-regime-pr/

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[+] -5 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

This is troll spam.

[-] -1 points by 00110100 (-4) 2 years ago

As you are outed above, you pro-regime plant, this is an expected response.

[+] -4 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

That's me. And, you, you are a corporate plant.

[+] -5 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

You are the corporate plant. You trying anything you can to divide and shrink this movement. That is your goal.

[-] -3 points by 00110100 (-4) 2 years ago
[+] -5 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

You are a corporate plant working your ass off to shrink this movement any way you can think of.

[+] -13 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Don't get angry. Just get even. Treat them as a humorous nuisance - the white collar greed corruption and crime comedy club.

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[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

LMFAO! Well yet another login. You have such weak positions you must resort to gimmicks. You should focus on issues like fair taxes. Support OWS. Vote out anti buffett rule politicians

[-] 3 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

I think you're misinterpreting. Anarchists attack Dems and Repubs. Basically anyone promoting the "regime". I've been called a Dem Troll, Dem Plant. Personally I prefer Dem Kitty.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I thought you were a republican April. No? I am only reprimanded when I post something that is interpreted as anti republican. So I agree with factrfun. They don't fool me.

[-] 4 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

still true

[-] -1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Definately not Republican girl. lol What gave you that impression?!

You are misinterpreting. Everything on this board is anti-Republican, anti-right anyway.

Advocating left ideals - this will get you negative responses from righties who think all left ideals are socialist/communist. This is the Obama sucks, OWS is nothing but communist/marxists crowd. This can also get negative response from anarchists, if it is a conventional idea. Like campaign finance reform. Since they just think the whole system should be ended.

Advocating for Pres. Obama, Dems and voting is a big no-no because it gives legitimacy to the 'regime'. This will get you lots of negative responses from anarchists who don't believe in the legitimacy of government. This is the Obama is the same as Romney so don't vote crowd. Because they think the whole system should be ended.

[-] 7 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Yeah yeah sure. End the whole system! I'm with you. as soon as someone gets consensus on the path to that I will be with them. and I am listening to them. I am looking for the viable path. Ain't seen it yet and there is an election in 5mos. I gotta push the existing corrupted pols to serve the 99%. I haven't given up entirely yet. and I won't surrender to the right wing by bowing out, throwing my vote away. Too many of my ancestors have died for the right. Sorry I won't be silenced.

[+] -5 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

No, you are reprimanded when you post something that is political. It is obvious your only goal is to co-opt the protest to turn it into a political one. You should have integrity. Be honest, why hide the truth. You wish OWS was a political protest with candidates for the next elections. Let's not beat around the bush.

[-] 7 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

We are facing an election in 5mos. I am certainly voting. How else can I hope to change anything. Voting and continued pressure on all pols in office is the only viable way I see. When I see another way I will sign on. OWS is speaking out about the issues I am interested in. I agree with OWS. I even agree with the contention that both parties are corrupted. I would love to support another option. When it arrives. I will. Until then I work to reform the system.

[+] -4 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I agree with OWS.

Do you really? OWS is not about reform, but about revolution. Do you agree OWS should never make political demands? Do you agree that OWS should NOT work with politicians? Do you agree that OWS should NOT support any political campaign including your favorite party?

No, the fact is, you do not espouse the beliefs of OWS. This protest is not for you. You wish for reform, to change the system from within. What you need to do is find the protest that is right for you instead of trying to co-opt one that is not. You're at the wrong place, and that is why you are under fire.

The fact is, you have no respect for the core principle of OWS which is anarchy.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I disagree! The core principles are economic fairness, true representation, Corp responsibility to the 99%. ISSUES are at the core. Your talkin about tactics. I agree with many. But there is an election in 5mos. I won't pretend there isn't. You cannot stop us. We are the 99%. We are legion, we do not forget, we do not forgive. you will be assimilated. Support OWS Vote out pro citizens united politicians like OWS NY has stated! HA! Sucka!

[+] -4 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

"We are the 99%. We are legion, we do not forget, we do not forgive. you will be assimilated."

Can you explain what those words mean or are you just parroting them?

[-] 5 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I don;t have to explain anything. Look it up! Focus on the issues. Where do you stand on economic fairness, true representation, corp responsibility, where do you stand on the Norquist pledge and taxing the wealthy, citizens united, alternative energy. This is what matters. Get on the record!. Push the powers that be to fix this or vote them out!.

[-] -3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Mixing Anonymous's vague threat with Occupy's message of non violence does not blend very well. Where do you stand? Is some violence tolerable?

[-] 5 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I believe in non violent peaceful protest. violence begets violence. Perpetrating violence is exactly what the 1% wants. they know how to handle it. It is in the manual. If we remain peaceful it is possible they will create/provoke a violent reaction because they know as I know, the 1st one who gets the other side to perpetrate violence on camera wins. OK?

[-] -2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

If you believe in non violence, I would recomend that you remove "Anonymous's" threat of violence from your messages.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I have no threat of violence in my posts. not mine or anyone elses. Get a grip. take a breath! focus on the issues!

[+] -5 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

He doesn't even realize those words are from Anonymous. The guy has no clue what OWS is about.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I know where there from. I just don't accept that they have to be violent.

[-] -3 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

The words are based on force and coercion. Telling its adversaries that they will be assimilated. Since you're an American, I guess this doesn't bother you. Your taxes are used to assimilate Iraqi families, oh wait, that's decimate. But no, you do have a MacDonald's in Bagdad, so you do assimilate also. Did you know that every country invaded by US sees a drastic weight increase in the population a few months later?

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You will be assimilated" is not from anonymous you moron. LMFAO We have lots of problems. our diet included and exporting it is horrible. Mcdonalds is horrible food. I agree. So what?

[-] 2 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

Anonymous protestors have been protesting with Occupy... Its not like you have to shed all prior allegiances before jumping into a new one.

Anon gets a bad rap, but that's mainly because the MSM misunderstands their actions. A few early attacks were genuinely hurtful, but nowadays they seem to be more interested in making a point, protesting via network espionage. I also think a bunch of Scientologists are still pissed off that Anon decided to attack their cult, and and still spewing PR to try and discredit the group.

This is why you don't want leaders, BTW. Not because of agreeing with Anarchy (although many here do) but because it removes the scapegoats that the MSM and opposition groups can latch onto, just like they do with anything else. Suddenly the opposition has to pick out outliers to attack or attack the issues themselves instead of attacking one person.

[+] -6 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

The uniqueness of OWS comes from its tactics. There are many political groups in America that support the same philosophies as OWS. You should join the Green Party, and leave apolitical protesting to OWS.

[-] 8 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I'll do whatever I damn please thank you very much. You and all your many logins are wasting your time. You WILL NOT silence OWS. support the 99% Vote out pro citizens united politicians.

[+] -6 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

You WILL NOT silence OWS.

I don't want to silence OWS. OWS is a very important APOLITICAL ANARCHIST protest. I hope it remains that way for years to come.

[-] 6 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You don't want that really. You want to silence ME. It is your reason for being. There is no you without me. Muu Ha ha ha ha ha! You are against OWS. You want to prevent us from growing into the progressive liberal group that we will inevitably do. You cannot stop it with these sorry little posts. You are minuscule. Inconsequential meaningless, and you simply provide comic relief for a growing powerful movement that will overrun you and your republican employers. LMFAO!

[+] -6 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

You should have same-sex marriage legal all over America by now. You don't because you're a sad nation. You shouldn't be fighting wars all over the world all the time. You do because you're a sad nation. The best thing your country has done in the last decades is the production of a TV show called Jerry Springer, and that show's really bad.

When are you going to have universal health care again? Never, because ever Obama is far right. Now, take your gun Yankee and go shoot something. Or go to night school and learn about Creationism and call it science.

[-] 5 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

We have many problems. but we have, do and will rule the planet for some time to come. You cannot change that, you should hope we get our act together, if we go down you ain't far behind. We are still the last best hope for humanity. And with all our problems I know that is true. and ya know dat!!! HA! Its our world, your just a squirrel tryin to get a nut!!!

[-] -3 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

Ok, you really are a virgin. Earlier, I assumed you were older, but now I see that you're about 16-18. Have fun this summer discovering girls, and trying to pass yourself of as an anarchist in your hometown protests.

[-] 5 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

But you said I was between 16 & 18. Is that what you think or not? Are you 43 or not? Speak up.!

[-] 5 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

So you don't wanna say. But you wanna know my age? Please. Thats just silly. C'mon how old are you.?

[+] -4 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I already know your age.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I'm gonna say you're about 43.? Am I close?

[+] -5 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

nope.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Nope! Wanna tell me how old you are?. I should say it doesn't matter how old either of us are. It really is just a distraction. But I'll play. How old are you.?

[+] -7 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I'm old enough to have read Kierkeguaard, but young enough to copulate in various positions with relative ease and elegance.

[+] -4 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

Didn't you used to attack the anarchists? Why the change? Why do you support anarchy now?

[+] -5 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

Where does it say I support anarchy? Read my posts again. I support their right to create a protest and not have it co-opted, but that does not mean I necessarily support their approach.

I support the truth. Nothing else. Isn't it true that anarchists started OWS? Isn't true that OWS is apolitical, i.e. they do not wish to make demands and do not want to work with politicians or support candidates? Isn't it true that VQkag is breaking the forum rules and OWS philosophy by constantly campaigning for his party? I'm only asking for integrity. If you support theism, then support a protest about theism, don't rally with the atheists.

[+] -4 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

You are too much. Why would you bother to defend a movement that you, yourself do not believe in?

Also, this is a side thing I was thinking about with regard to you. You are not American, right? You're Canadian, lucky you. I think because of that it is very hard to wrap your head around the differences that the Dems and Reps have with regard to social issues. And, I think social issues are the driving force for why your list of people here support the Dems. In Canada you have a safety net that we just don't have here and the pathetic little one we do have is clearly at greater risk in the hands of the Reps who would eliminate it if they could.

[-] -1 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

You are too much. Why would you bother to defend a movement that you, yourself do not believe in?

Where and when did I say I didn't believe in OWS. Please clarify this. You keep putting words into my mouth. I thought you were one of the smart posters here. Am I wrong?


Yes, I am Canadian. I consider your democrats as being far right. I lean much further to the left. Why Obama cannot create universal health care in one of the richest countries in the world is beyond me. The fact is, your country became far right because it opposed Russia which was far left. To counter communism, you created a hard right capitalism without the slightest tinge of socialism. But hey, you have Jerry Springer reruns.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I like Jerry Springer reruns :{)

The question of universal of health care in the United States is a blight that historians will have to explain. Socialism, communism, anarchism are all considered dirty words in many parts of this country. The reaction to socialist revolutions around the world in the late 19th century and throughout the 20th century created a wave of American paranoia (the Red Menace), which still exists.

The newest American mental disorder fixates on "terrorists," making a mountain out of every mole hill (Al Qaeda). Allah forbid, if you claim to be a Muslim or even defend Islam in many parts of the country.

I'm an American by birth and still don't understand the willful blindness exhibited by so many of my fellow citizens.

[+] -4 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

You say you support the movement and that only anarchists should be a part of it, yet you say you do not support anarchy. Please clarify. I'm confused.

I agree the Dems are far right, but even if only slightly left, even a teensy weensy bit left of the Reps, can mean a lot to millions of people.

[-] -1 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I never said that only anarchists should be part of OWS. I said that those who want OWS to become political should look for a protest that is already political instead of trying to change OWS into something which it is currently diametrically opposed to.

I support anarchy in so far as it creates pressure against the government, pressure which can lead to change. My believe is that other groups, political ones, will feed on this and create change from the inside. I do not believe that anarchy can be used as a form of governance. The anarchists could barely run their camps, I don't want to see them run a country of 300 million with "general assemblies on each street corner".

We need OWS has a pressure machine. It should not be co-opted and turned political. People like VQkag should start their own groups. Being political and for anarchy is an oxymoron.

[-] 3 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I mean, having spent 10 years in the Army, I know sustaining an encampment is hard work. I guarantee if republicans or democrats went out and tried to erect an encampment, it would be a much worse cluster fuck than OWS's encampment was. All in all ... I think it was ran extremely well.

Nevertheless, to equate how a group runs an encampment (regardless of how well we think they ran it) cannot fairly reflect on the long intellectual tradition of anarchism (a tradition that dates back centuries, with scores of brilliant writers who have supported and defined the idea over time).

It is true that anarchism tends to avoid grand schemes on how exactly a new society should look and operate. It's more like a commitment to certain principles, although it does offer us the novel idea of a world without power relationships (and a world where people govern themselves).

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I agree with you, the sea change we need will not come from being inside the corrupt system, but some positive change will come within the system just because OWS is pushing from the outside of it. I also do not believe that anarchy can be a form of governance.

[+] -5 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

I appreciate your explanation.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Not so much the last few days, people attacking Obama have been up voted by the bots at the same time as those who oppose the Rs have been down voted (same bots?) that is not "attacking party politics" that's trying to help one side "win" seems pretty clear, but hey thanks for stopping by, hope you don't get caught up this rout.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Your example indicates that certain users have been targeted, rather than political.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

all on one political side the other part is how those that attack Obama have had their scores ran up, it was very partisan in nature over the last few days

[-] 2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Politics MOST CERTAINLY has EVERYTHING to do with "it" ~ the censorship of Free Speech especially that which conflicts with the dictatorial propaganda that comes from the 1%-owned, RepuliCon, RW, MSM, Fox (RepubliCon-TV) Lies, and Hate-Lie Talk Radio ~ UNDENIABLY and IRREFUTABLY!

Specifically, "conflicting Free Speech" that advocates a solution to the 1% tyranny of our Government, Media, Country and the 99% People: UNITY and VOTING!!!!

Sorry to spoil the party, but we are in a Class War! We, The People, are suffering the casualties, are losing the war, and fight each other instead of who our real enemy is. The real enemy is a group of would-be Kings (the "descendants" from the King of England's Loyalists and Royalists and hate democracy) in the 1%. We abandoned our democracy so they stole it and use it against us to make unimaginable wealth and power. That we might get smart and Unite against them, makes us mortal enemies. That's why we are the most ignorant, divided, non-voting, slave-waged, uninsured, population among modern democracies. All of which makes the "Kings" very happy and rich!!! And they will do whatever it takes to keep it that way!!!

That's the RW, RepubliCon, 1%, POLITICAL reason they sent out their cretinous Zombie Trolls to Censor posts on this Forum ~ and why we have to VOTE to kick and keep them out of our Government, local to DC!!

UNITE AND WIN!

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!!

Register and Vote! Register and Vote! "We the 1%" NOT What They WROTE!!!!

Occupy America's WAKE UP, then Occupy the ELECTION!!!

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

thanks for stopping by jiffy, well said

[-] 3 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

If these Both Parties are the same idiots keep it up, they're going to wind up with a Mama Grizzly in the Supreme Court! Who will they whine about then? Pathetic! You'd think after the debacle their pouting-out 2010 caused they'd have learned their lesson. Jeeez!

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

shameless bump

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 2 years ago

How's about attacking Romney ???? There's plenty of reason to do it.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/mary-jo-kopechne-and-leola-anderson-rest-in-peace

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Republicans are expected to kill people so it's not really news, I guess.

[+] -4 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

I have seen no statistics suggesting Republicans kill more people than Democrats. I'd say you are making a false partisan claim here.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

http://votesmart.org/bill/votes/12790

If you look you will see for war Rs 192 yea, 3 nay; Ds 64 yea, 113 nay, no Rs no war.

[-] -3 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

93 of our 100 Senators - including most of the Democrats - and 322 of our 435 Representatives - including most of the Democrats - voted to make NDAA 2012 the law of the land, and it was signed into law by a Democratic President Obama. You will find the names of these criminals listed here:

http://tinyurl.com/7v6zlq3

http://tinyurl.com/3mh3ke7

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

so I take it 113 Ds voted against it, that would be most of them in the house right? about the same number that voted against the Iraq War, Ok it seems we have a solution get rid of the Republicans and things start getting better.

[-] -3 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

Your math is meaningless and you gloss over the fact that NDAA 2012 was sponsored by a Democratic senator and signed into law by a Democratic president. You are worse than a liar, Factsrfun. You are pro-regime scum.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Evolution, climate change and now math?

[-] -3 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

Wedge issue redirection because you can't make the fact that Obama signed NDAA 2012 go away?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Wedge issue? now you want to hold hands with the 1%ers and what? sing kum ba ya?

[+] -4 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

You assume everyone reading this is either naive or stupid. Many may be, but not all. Some know that "wedge" issues are used to split the 99% into the false left/right dichotomy. "Wedge" in no way refers to dividing the 1% from the 99%, and you damn well know that, scum. "Wedge" issues are what keep us fighting each other instead of going after the men behind the curtain.

[+] -12 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You know what is really telling about a pro status-quo blind marching greed & Corruption supporter? They don't attack all of the individuals that came up with the bad legislation or all of them that supported it. They will pick a figure head and attack there. Sure Obama may well be a sell out - but who is there with him? This shit does not appear out of nowhere fully fleshed. Someone puts it together and others carry it forward.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

another way to tell is this guy starts out saying F'em all, then says I'm causing a "wedge" by saying we should join with all those who want to get the money out of politics and bring economic fairness back to America even if a lot of them do very bad things, what exactly is NDAA but a "wedge" issue? to wedge us away from the tools we might use

[-] -3 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

NDAA 2012 was passed by an overwhelming bilateral majority in both houses, which is about as far from being a "wedge" issue as you can get. You knew that before you said it, Factsfrfun, and that is why I find lying hacks like you disgusting.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

how is 2/3's of the Dem in house voting against it, "overwhelming bilateral"?

[+] -10 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The accusation of a wedge issue being called forth is also a way of saying please do not consider a whole or complete picture people. As some things are brought up by individuals to cause division. This false flag claim tries to tie true information of complexity and connections into this divisive category.

[+] -4 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

GeriTroll Lies! What the Democrats and Republicans agree on is far more damaging and dangerous than what they don't. The only thing the two corporate puppet parties supposedly disagree on are the social and wedge issues. But after elections they tend to come together on those as well. To wrest control of our government from the corporate fascist elite, their two-party tyranny MUST be brought to an end with BOTH parties destroyed.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

ac fe'i hamlinellwyd ichi sawl gwaith

[+] -11 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Mae'r gwirionedd yn wahanol

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Boo fucking hoo ....

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

No that is not true FRF. It is just when people are constantly advocating for one party or the other, it takes away from the energy and fervor of this revolution. I personally think that anyone who voted for a repub while being a memeber of OWS would have to be nuts. However, it also bothers the hell out of me that people are trying to turn this into a political movement which it is not. Whether you like it or not, this is a revolution in the way we want this country to be run. The systemic changes we need will not happen by people voting for either party, and to imply that they will is doing a disservice to the Occupy movement.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't understand why some believe that this can be won with our hands tied, look at what the TEA party is doing, they have moved to TX now, state wide guy in TX once made a deal with a dem so he's got to go. I am more than willing to hear any ideals you have about now we get to where we need to be, I have been pretty clear about mine, take down one so there is room for a new one, I do not see another way and I would like for us to get it done this time

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

I would prefer it if we could attack both.Because they are in fact one in the same.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I prefer a lot of things, but mostly I want to address the problem of wealth inequality and how it is used to affect our government.

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

We know all of this and depending on a broke and corrupt system to fix itself does not seem to be a solution to me.I would think that a new system must be put in place.One that ensures that human needs are put first.Not a secondary consideration that is minimally granted when pressure is applied.The problems are not IN the system the problems ARE the system.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and that problem has a name it';s called the GOP

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

Thats onley the half of it.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

true the other half is the people who vote for them, or don't vote against them, there's only one way to get rid a of a Republican that is vote them out of office, hoping won't do it

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[+] -6 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

This is troll spam.

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[+] -5 points by beautifulworld (20523) 2 years ago

Oh, you added my name. How sweet. I'm really worried about that.

You are a corporate plant trying to shrink this movement through any means possible.

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[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

I thought we attacked anyone legally brided by wall st. which means everybody

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

point still stands, are you saying that Republican are not attached to wal-st? so if I attack them I should be attacked, but Obama is so attacking him gets you praise? I disagree I think the GOP are controlled by Wal-Street so attacking them would get someone praise unles of course the "attack" was led by the GOP then it all makes sense

[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

not what I said attack all dem rep wall st and walmart to

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

burnin' down the house, OUR house...;.

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[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

this is not an Obama forum, anymore than it is a GOP one,. just stop posting two party drivel, and problem solved.

We need to move beyond this lame, old and crust system of oscillating parties and begin a real democracy., a participatory democracy,. with no elected 'representatives', as they are the root of corruption and co-opted control. The only decision you are given under this control structure, is who will make your decisions for the next four years,. this is no democracy.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I oppose a Constitutional Convention.

[-] -3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

are you telling me Voting Day shouldn't be holiday?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

not at all, I was telling jph that "representives" are what we got without one, and I could NOT trust one

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

You should speak out against both!!!

The GOP, Congress, and the President are taking this country in the wrong direction.

Wars and bombs in more countries. WMD talk about Iran that sounds like Bush talking about the WMD's in Iraq.

What do the GOP and Obama have in common? Wall Street deregulation and Bail Outs for the big banks that accelerated foreclosures on people's homes. BANKS GOT BAILED OUT WE GOT SOLD OUT. The bail outs were driven by fear not fact. Why would they give billions to banks instead of reinstating regulations to stop the problem? Why not let the billionaire and millionaire CEOs fix their own mess?

What do Romney and Obama have in common? They're both willing to use military force against Iran and get our country into another war over the claim of WMD's.

Bipartisan support in the House of Reps just passed the new NDAA for 2013 and it contains provisions for war policies with Iran... this NDAA also defines marriage as a man and a woman in military weddings... bipartisan support but it contains this bigoted GOP policy.

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[-] 0 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

Um.... I hate to break this to you.... but by definition, attacking a specific political party is partisan.... attacking a candidate is not.... you should do some research sometime, it's fun...

go ahead and attack Bush, none of the trolls will defend that loser, go ahead and attack the other 1% bomb-thrower, O-bomb-ya, and none of them will defend him, either...

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I thought we were supposed to stay away from candidates and focus on issues. No?

[-] -1 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

Sure. All I was saying is, attacking O-bomb-ya and Bush are not partisan attacks.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Push the issues you care about. Instead of wasting time searching and attcked the people you perceive as partisan. Why don't we ever hear where you stand on issues. Is it because you are a republican? Certainly you only attack anti republican posts.

[-] -3 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

True. I don't really see many anti-Democratic party posts, mostly just posts attacking candidates. But the candidates deserve the attacks most of the time, Bush was just as much of a low-IQ bomb-flinging moron as O-Bomb-ya is. I assure you, Bush was no better than the current loser. And he's no better or worse than Romney. Why is this such a hard concept for you to get hold of? Is it completely foreign to you that someone would not fully subscribe to everything the partisan demagogues on one side say? Everyone has their own self-serving agenda. It doesn't take a skeptic to realize this.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

the difference is this Pres has ended the 10 yr debacle of waste and catastrophe that Bush created in Iraq! This Pres has begun to draw down the 10 year debacle of waste and catastrophe that Bush created in Afghanistan. When faced with the possibility of another 10 yr war in another middle east oil country (libya) this Pres handled it without the 10 yr war that Bush would have created. This Pres has begun to cut the military budget Bush would never! This is how President has begun the process of unraveling the fearmongering, constant state of war on terror that Bush created. This Pres made the conscious effort to drop the "war on terror" language and posture that Bush created and exploited to remove our constitutional rights. When faced with veto proof passage of NDAA this president removed the power from military officers vowed not to use it. Bush never would have done that. There are vast differences between these Presidents, Between there use of fearmongering and constant war to get their political agenda passed. Between the way they discuss the constitutional threats created because of Bush. Their posturing, their politics are vastly different. To say otherwise minimizes the crimes Bush/Cheney perpetrated against us. and I think there are vast differences between my opinion and yours. So be it. Thats allowed. Mine are not more valid than yours. One difference is that I don't have to insult you. I don't try to bully or beat you down. I don't feel the need because I have the strength of my convictions.

[-] -3 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

O-bomb-ya is beginning to draw down the war in Afghanistan? Boy, it sure looked to me like he extended it until 2017. I'd hate to see what it would have looked like if he'd actually extended it until 2017, maybe it would have looked like it had been extended until 2050.

When were we faced with the possibility of a war in Libya? That's like saying, "I could have bombed the whole building, but I was nice and took out the top floor only." What rational threat did Libya present to us? None whatsoever. O-bomb-ya made the choice to bomb them. That's fine, he'll pay for it in the afterlife. I don't think he'll pay for it in the next election, what with people who think he can do no wrong.

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Good thing O-bomb-ya cut the defense budget. I would hate to see what it would have looked like if he'd added defense spending. The 1% of "cuts" you may be referring to were only to placate naive people into thinking there were any actual cuts.

When able to make a big deal out of the NDAA by vetoing it, and forcing the issue to be unavoidable for the Senate, O-bomb-ya decided to merely pass it, and let the next president decide whether or not to abuse it. Good thing he doesn't use the words "war on terror" like the last guy!

Also good thing he didn't expand the warrantless wiretapping program via executive order. Oh wait, he did. Along with extrajudicial retention.

We lose either way in November.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Serious problems. All would have been infinitely worse with Bush. The attacks on our constitutional rights are crimes of the highest order. I do not defend any of the pols (repubs or dems) who passed (with veto proof numbers). We must continue to protest/pressure on all pols. Beating only the Pres over the head simply betrays your partisanship.

[-] -2 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

Infinitely worse with Bush?

Why, that sounds like fitting evidence to predetermined conclusions.

You realize O-bomb-ya expanded the domestic wiretapping program that Bush started, with an executive order? Veto that.

You realize he has failed to stop, with executive order, Bush's programs of extrajudicial indefinite retention?

What does a veto have to do with anything? If you have a chance to draw attention to something, and force their hand, and not do it you are no better.

You have been played.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

These are all serious problems. crimes of the highest order against our constitutional rights. I definately agree with strong criticism of all pols even the Pres. that doesn't make him the same as Bush/Cheney. they were infinately worse. In the end, it the peoples apathy. disinterest, fear that allowed both Parties to bring us here. We will have to undo things. With OWS protest/pressure on all pols. Both parties. Through the courts as well. Pressure to appoint judges who will rule against these attacks on our rights. We must also step back from the constant war on terror created to scare us into submission. This Pres has begun that process while Bush cheney created it.

[-] -3 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

You still offer nothing to reinforce your predetermined religious belief that O-bomb-ya is so much better than Bush. Please don't say it's because of the letter after his name being different, I'm afraid that's what you're about to say.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

The agenda of one party is close enough to what the 99% needs that they can be co opted to serve us. The other party is too far gone. It's what I believe. You and I disagree. Your name calling, ridicule, intimidating schoolyard bullying tactics simply strengthen my resolve! It betrays an anti democratic partisanship on your part. Perhaps you will vote for bush light (Romney). You do continue to minimize the crimes of Bush/Cheney. so be it. To the Victor go the spoils. May the best man/women/lgbta win

[-] 0 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

First of all, why would you put "lgbta" as a third option for gender? You realize, I'm sure, that lesbians and gay people have gender, right?

Second of all, how can I be "intimidating" you over the internet?

There is no Bush light running, and I won't vote for either of the Bush heavies. On one hand you have a fascist freak who passed a universal and forced health care plan, also known as a corporate insurance handout, who supports the bombing of other countries, the tapping of our phones, and tax cuts for the wealthy, and on the other hand...... Oh, wait, you don't know which one I'm talking about, do you? LOL Tell me they're different again!

[+] -4 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

Occupy has even less chance of co-opting the Democratic Party than the Tea Party had with the GOP. They had plenty of Koch money and mainstream morons to work with, and still ended up making more of a splash than a difference.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I agree with the instructions to get back on the street. Without a doubt. I will not encourage progressives anywhere to throw their votes away on a 3rd party, because that would turn over more control to the right wing wackos that are at the root of our problems. I might encourage tea party conservative people to vote 3rd party. Lets agree to work on that. Are you willing?

[-] -3 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

Who do you think you fool with this tripe? This is just another devious way of saying "Vote Democratic". I saw the link where you were outed as a pro-regime plant and read the posts that suggested you are mentally unstable. One or both are clearly true.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Are you willing to work on getting conservative tea party people to vote 3rd party or not?

[-] -3 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

Are you willing to work on getting Democratic party members to vote 3rd party or not?

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

What do you suggest we do? I think we must continue protesting/pressuring all politicians to support the issues we care about. So much profound change/reform must occur, I can't let an election (5mos) pass without attempting to pull the country back from the right wing lurch that has occurred over the last 30 years.

[+] -4 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

"What do you suggest we do?"

You ask that question in an Occupy Wall Street forum? Do what Chris Hedges advises:

"Don't waste any more time or energy on the presidential election than it takes to get to your polling station and pull a lever for a third-party candidate - just enough to register your obstruction and defiance - and then get back out onto the street. That is where the question of real power is being decided."

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I guess you don't support OWS? Insulting the hard working, courageous, people marching for your rights is more than you are doing. You spend all you time putting us down, schoolyard bully tactics like your candidate Romney, and trying to get us to throw our votes away to help your republican puppet masters. You aint't foolin me or anyone else.

[-] -3 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

I again give you two choices, VQkag: Either post a link to anything proving "my candidate" is Romney, or otherwise admit - even by your silence - that you are a pro-regime plant and a LIAR.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

These discussions are old. Financial reform, Healthcare for all, Environmental, Tax fairness, union/worker rights, Wmoens/gay/minority rights, Corp personhood, ARE NOT wedge issues. These are the issues that hurt the 99%, and enrich the 1%. To call them wedge issues just minimizes the profound damage they do to american families. To mislabel these critical issues that are at the center of the change OWS supports reflects your anti 99% leanings. You are the party plant! You are working to destroy the OWS movement. You aren't kidding me or anyone else. Support OWS vote out anti 99% politicians

[-] -2 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

You are clearly here to plant pro-regime wedge issue redirection propaganda and nothing more: You focus on what divides and not what unites us, VQkag, and that plays straight into the 1%ers hands. What the Democrats and Republicans agree on is far more damaging and dangerous than what they don't. Again, take Chris Hedges' advice:

"Don't waste any more time or energy on the presidential election than it takes to get to your polling station and pull a lever for a third-party candidate - just enough to register your obstruction and defiance - and then get back out onto the street. That is where the question of real power is being decided."

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

The parties are vastly different on the issues that matter to the 99% Financial reform, healthcare for all, Tax fairness, Corp personhood, Womens/gay/minority rights, Union/worker support. The biggest problem with the Democrats is that they have moved towards the right wing wackos at the root of our problems, and they lost their backbone. We can address the lack of backbone by constant protest/pressure on all pols to support the above issues to the benefit of the 99%. This movement can and will create the change we have been waiting for. We can't expect one president/party to do it without waking up and marching! You are attempting to minimize the right wing crimes against the 99% by pushing the fallacy that they are the same. They ain't. They are vastly different. Support OWS. Vote out pro norquist politicians.

[-] -2 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

Wedge issue redirection and nothing more: You focus on what divides and not what unites us, VQkag, and that plays straight into the 1%ers hands. What the Democrats and Republicans agree on is far more damaging and dangerous than what they don't. Again, take Chris Hedges' advice:

"Don't waste any more time or energy on the presidential election than it takes to get to your polling station and pull a lever for a third-party candidate - just enough to register your obstruction and defiance - and then get back out onto the street. That is where the question of real power is being decided."

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I've already said I will not. That would facilitate more control to the right wing wackos who are at the root of our problems. Would you work to have conservatives vote 3rd party or not?

[-] -3 points by gwirionedd (-369) 2 years ago

The "right wing wackos" have no more power than the "left wing wackos" do. Both the Democratic and Republican Parties answer to the same corporate masters and global fascist elite. All appearances otherwise are smoke and mirrors. And like most Sheeple, you've fallen for it.

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

But people who rail on Mr. 1% Romney got down voted and trolled....

[-] 0 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

You are slightly correct, there is a bit of hypocrisy. I do not like Romney, and I am not voting for him in the fall. And I sure as blazes am not voting for O-bomb-ya, because he is the same as Romney. I will sleep well at night, knowing that my vote went to someone who actually deserves it, while I will amuse myself at the partisan morons who will blindly vote for someone they don't like, good little sheep that they are, and then whine on the internet that their candidate does not have their interest at heart. More bombs! Vote for the Demopublican biocracy!

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I thought you posted that you we gonna vote Romney. I think that is what you are gonna do. You only attack the President anyway. And to suggest they are the same is clearly untrue. They are vastly different. That obfuscation is certainly a comment in support of republicans. You don't fool anyone.

[-] 0 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

You're paranoid. No, I never said I would vote for Romney. I will not. I may even vote for O-bomb-ya, in sort of a "get it over with" kind of way. The fact that such a fascist, Bush or Romney or O-Bomb-ya has and supporters left is a sickening testament to human mind control. If anyone still thinks O-bomb-ya is better at running the country than Buddy Roemer, then humans are doomed to repeat the disasters of the past.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Buddy roemer cannot win!!!!! I can't waste time with that. We must work together to create massive protests against all pols to get the on the record. massive voter registration, change from within, until a viable 3rd way emerges.

[-] -1 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

Whatever. I'm either voting for O-bomb-ya or Gary Johnson. What is the difference between us? I can sleep at night with my vote. You will continue to whine online to my delight the next time O-bomb-ya decides to hurl bombs with your name on them at a random country.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You don't care about me.! You ain't votin for the President. To compare his actions with Bush/repubs is ridiculous. It is a way to minimize the crimes the last administration perpetrated in our name. The trillions they wasted and diverted to their merc friends, their big oil friends. the millions of people they have killed. There is no comparison they are vastly different. to state otherewise is a joke and a blatent republican tactic. you Romney supporter.

[-] -1 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

Lol romney supporter...

You know, you're right. If we DARE let the OTHER 1%ers get control of the government, all of a sudden we'll wake up one day, and there will be government agents tapping our phones! Can you imagine? Or think about this, we'll be bombing other countries! Like Libya! Wouldn't that just be a disaster? Maybe Gitmo will remain open! Or we'll be giving fortunes in stolen public money to corporations! Or it will be legal to steal land from the poor to give to the rich! We MUST make sure our 1%ers stay in power! They told me they need to stay in power! Baaaa-aaaaah! They know what's best! They have food!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Nader the traitor has crawled under a rock,

It’s the only place safe from the things that he wrot.

As millennia approached us, we had one last shot,

To keep the planet we’re on from getting, too damn hot.

But Nader thought better his name should be heard.

And Gore was left standing with only his word.

[-] -1 points by CarlosFenito (36) 2 years ago

Good thing Gore has his word... if he didn't have that, he might not have invented the internet.

[-] -1 points by chile73 (-88) 2 years ago

i haven't noticed that. both are partisan.

[-] -2 points by llIlllllllllllllllllllllllllll (4) 2 years ago

You were not being targeted by republicans, but by anarchists. They are not mad because you attack the Republicans, they also hate the Republicans. They are mad because you are trying to change OWS from being an apolitical protest to a political one. You are trying to co-opt OWS. It's that simple.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

co-opting for the GOP is OK though? you GOP loving shithead

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

How do you know why anyone is attacked.? And how do you know what persuasion the attackers might be.?

[-] -1 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

How do you know why anyone is attacked?

The attackers have clearly stated their reasons in numerous posts.

And how do you know what persuasion the attackers might be?

The attackers have clearly stated this in numerous posts.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Have you checked them all? Are none attacking unjustly? Are you all of them? have you noticed in your research that they all use the same terminology? I think they are all you. You have said you use many logins. So it does seem likely. And you have said you have been banned. maybe you are the problem. I haven't been banned! Who do you think you are fooling?

[-] -3 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I'm not part of their group, but I support them. From what I have read on this forum, they are right. You, shooz, factsforfun, DKAtoday, and many others are breaking the forum rule which states that no campaigning for any party is accepted here.

OWS is apolitical and this forum has rules. You want OWS to be political, and you want to break the forum rules. It's that simple.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I thought the rule was no campaigning for a particular candidate. No? I want people to support change in our govt. Reform it if we can't replace it. Your goal is to silence dissent. Fascist, totalitarian! Anti 99%! You are not fooling anyone. I got ya rule right here!

[-] -2 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I have to say I'm sad to hear that. The fact that you are campaigning goes against OWS philosophy, but I at least thought you were supporting the democrats and not the republicans.

Now you say you want people to support change in the government. Change from democrats to republicans. Sad indeed.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Change for the better on the issues.! YOU are preoccupied with the 2 parties. I would work with a 3rd way if existed. I would vote out any pol (D or R) who doesn't correct the problems that exist. You haven't gone on the record on any issue. You just want to silence me. Do you support raising taxes on the 1%? Do you support the Norquist pledge. What about Alternative Energy? How about Citizens United. You are a republican. You haven't fooled anyone. support OWS. Vote out anti gay politicians

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[-] -1 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I supported raising taxes for the 1%, universal health-care, free education, social security for each citizen, etc... What I support, you will never have in US. I'm a hard core socialist. Canada is not social enough for my taste. If US were a real developed country, you would have same-sex marriage across the land like we do in Canada. You guys are pathetic. Your Obama didn't stop the war, and has done nothing to make health care free and accessible for all. What you call LEFT, I call far RIGHT. You don't have a single candidate in all your parties that is left. None. Take a look up north brave boy. Go to Sweden, Norway, see the world. US is nothing but old Jerry Springer reruns. Done.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

We need lots of help it is true. The country has been moving right for 30 years. the Dems have lost their backbone and moved right as well. It has taken years. It will take years to move back. but it will happen. And I believe in the absence of a viable 3rd path we must attempt to reform the D's because they aren't quite as far right as the R's. Thats all.

[-] -1 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I understand your desire to reform the democrats, but that is something that should be done by another group than OWS. OWS is an anarchic protest. I suggest you take a moment to read about anarchy. You should peruse the online anarchist library. You can find many essays from David Graeber there. You seem young. Early 20's? Perhaps even younger. You still have a lot of learning to do. Believe me, OWS must remain apolitical. We need an anarchist group to create pressure. You can create another group to reform the democrats. Both groups can operate in tandem. There's no need to co-opt OWS to achieve your goals.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You are wrong about my age as well. HA!. This movement is the best thing to happen to progressive thought in decades ( I remember the sixties) I've read enough about anarchy, I've read enough about OWS, GA's, statements, I dont care. Is that anarchistic enough for you?. I have no patience for the discussions I've heard at protests and seen here about what is anarchy. Who cares?. No anarchistic govt or movement has succeeded or existed very long. I'll work with what I got until another way emerges. If someone doesn't want me in OWS they gotta get me out. Ain't gonna happen. I can't be moved.

[-] -3 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I'll work with what I got until another way emerges.

So you're lazy and rely on others for such important things as expressing your political philosophies. You don't believe in anarchy, but since OWS is the only thing around and you're too lazy to start something on your own or search for something that better meets your needs, you'll just hitch a ride for fun. On top of that, you refuse to be moved. Funny! You really have a lack of integrity. I don't know, but I'd rather die then follow a group that doesn't represent me.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

This group indeed represents me ON THE ISSUES! The anarchistic tactics that have yet to emerge will get my support when they are viable. You don't know what your talkin about. They are the movement that espouses my positions on all the important issues. We want the same things. You pretend to also. I will continue agitating for reform until the viable 3rd way gets consensus. Ok?

[+] -12 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Obviously if the forum felt you were correct in your perspective there would be nothing to stop them from banning us.

You are pretty silly when you say OWS has no goal but to protest in the street you are very silly in stating the OWS has no demands.

You have no firm footing in reality.

Your perspective is messed-up to say the least.

You do not like our posts or contributions - I suggest that instead of taking forum law, policy and procedure into your own hands - that you do what everyone is supposed to do and complain to administration.

[-] -3 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I'm in daily contact with the administration. On the ground and on the web. I thought you figured that out already.

[+] -12 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So that is why you have been so successful of getting people you consider to be a problem banned from the forum.

What color is the sky in your world? From what direction does the sun rise every morning? When you have these regular contacts with the administration - are they aware of it?

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[+] -12 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Luck with that.

I see you still honor me.

I mean using the karma score jenny's number that jart pranked me with after the last major site attack.

8675309 - yeah I still chuckle about that.

BTW - I missed my nap earlier so I am gonna do that now.

See if you can't keep busy while I am away. I know I know you will miss me terribly but........TOO BAD - SO SAD.

BuBye.

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[-] -3 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

When you have these regular contacts with the administration - are they aware of it?

That's one strange question.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

So says you, and how would YOU know this to be true?

Provide a little proof, if you don't mind.

[-] -2 points by llllIlllllllllllllllllllllllll (-44) 2 years ago

I fear you bear the burden of proof dear Mr. shooz.

I am merely repeating what the attackers themselves have stated on numerous occasion, and I see no reason not to believe them. Is or is not OWS an apolitical protest which refuses to work with politicians and/or support candidates? Isn't there a forum rule that stipulates that support any political campaign is against the forum rules? Is does seem to me that DKAtoday, you, and many others are indeed trying to co-opt the movement. It really seems that simple.

If you want to provide an alternative version of events, à la 911 Truther, then I'm afraid you will have to show some proof. I believe your claim is that these self-called anti-political anarchists are instead republican trolls. Please provide evidence?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

No my claim was and still is that the sock puppets and bots are operated by lying cowards.

Since you still claim to operate sock puppets and you once gleefully ran bots.

It would give you something productive to besides lie. You are the lying coward here, and the burden of proving your statement is yours and yours alone.

All the pretty words you can write won't change that simple fact.

Besides the only one here making a big deal of this 9/11 crap is YOU!!!

You are a self admitted conspiracy theory of your own design.

You should be botting your silly self down.

[+] -13 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What YOU call co-opt - other saner heads look at as trying to unite in common cause.

I push issues not politics. I push issues not party's.

Anyone who looks with an open mind at my Contributions/Posts can see this clearly.

One example: http://occupywallst.org/forum/get-active-be-proactive-unite-in-common-cause/

Are there certain individuals in Government working directly against the peoples interest?

YOU BET.

Are They Of Both Dominant party's?

YOU - BET.

Are some way more visible then others at this very point in time?

YOU - BET.

Do we want them "ALL" out of office?

YOU - BET.

Is shooz a defender of the people?

YOU - BET.

Anyone can look at his Posts and comments/contributions and see the truth of that status.

YOU - On The Other Hand. You and your actions are very suspect.

Misguided to say the very least.

Divisive - Yes

Destructive - Yes - thank The forum for turning off the collapse comment feature - As you were trashing the whole forum.

You are a detriment to the movements against greed corruption wallstreet and corporate white collar crime.

You are an anchor tied around the throat of a man fallen overboard.

Your best help to OWS Occupy and all of the peoples movements?

Would be to go away.

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[-] -3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

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[+] -6 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

right

one would hope other democrats would not support atacking other countries

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

the one in the White House has stopped one war and shc. the end of the other, the other guy has said he would keep both going, there's a little bit of difference, if you care about war

[-] -3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

obama is unresponsive

the afghan war has been escalated by him

along with bombing in Libya and Yemen and Pakistan

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Is it even possible to bomb to save lives? that is a fair question...

[-] -3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

bombs have never been used in surgery

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Nor penicillin I believe, but maybe in the early days as an infection control

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

war is just a symptom of the disease of wealth, we fight for the King's interest not ours

[+] -13 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I have no idea how I can be any more pro issue and any more anti party politics then I have been. It is funny to watch these blind marching supporters of the status-quo try to label me.

How is unite in common cause pro party politics?

I say vote out any and all corrupt politicians - the ones who are working for special interests and not for the people and these status-quo corruption supporters accuse me of supporting the Democratic party. What does this say about the perception of the republican party at this point in time?

I mean if I support issues that favor the people and am then charged with being pro democrat - what does that say?

Fucking dumb-shit blind marchers.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I do "label" my enemy, but feel I should be allowed to do so, I defend my positions with well, words at least, I'll make no bold claims, others promote their path to how we can fix this common problem wealth and it’s power, if we are not allowed to present a number of paths to the common goal of wealth inequality then have we co-opted the 99% or have we forgot why we came? I feel strongly there is a path but it's getting "snowed in".

[+] -11 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We are making progress.

Keep-on Keeping-on.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

the place has become…. somehow, more dynamic..

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[+] -11 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

How so?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

just a comment on the "score"

(I don't think thrashy has control (as GK posted)l, just a bad case of the wantabes

[+] -12 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep - Trashy has a bad case of the wantabe's - karma point envy as he can not seem to keep from getting banned and use's sock puppets to run his games - he attacks those that have what he wants - a meaningless karma score.

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[+] -11 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You are looking in the mirror when you say that right? The one you strategically placed so that you can gaze at yourself in loathing as you go about your blind marching nonsense?


[-] 0 points by llllllllllllIllllllllllllllll (35) 10 minutes ago

You will not co-opt our anarchic movement. OWS traitor! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

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[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

"I say vote out any and all corrupt politicians"

Hell Yeah! That's my policy.

[+] -13 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Careful some blind marcher might accuse you of being a co-opter or something nasty like that.

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[+] -12 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Gosh trying to hijack another users name for parody. How distasteful R U?

I am quite taken with your use of the bold font - makes it look like you are yelling at me quite convincingly. Too bad you don't have a good way to represent your frothing at the mouth.

I am quite touched by your thinking of me as hale and hearty. Otherwise you might look pretty pathetic getting schooled by a disabled person.

Anyway not to get distracted or anything.

Rant on rant on.

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