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Forum Post: Romney's Puppetmasters-The Koch Brothers

Posted 5 years ago on Oct. 6, 2012, 8:04 p.m. EST by nazihunter (215)
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I don't know if anyone noticed, a lot of Romney's agenda for cutting government and regulations came right out of the AFP, (Americans For Prosperity), bible. This is one of the many front organizations for the Koch Brothers. Their agenda calls for robbing and looting social security, dismantle government and set up their own personal type of law enforcement and justice. Before one waits that to happen, they should realize how hardcore Nazi they are - http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-500857 Yes, my friends, direct decedents of the concentration camp Kochs. The lovely Ilsa named one of the 'Most Evil Women In History' for her sick barbarism Eat that shit Krauthammer!



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[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

THE FIRST 1500 WORDS from the link:

Notorious Nazis Ilse Koch, her husband Karl Otto Koch and Erich Koch are the ghosts of Koch Industries, who seized the U.S. conservative political agenda years ago and seem capable of seizing the government in total through the Tea Party. Ilse Koch was the Nazi's specialist in making objects from human skin; was the only woman charged with war crimes; and along with her husband was in charge of one of the most horrific horror camps in Nazi Germany.

Koch Industries is the child of the violence of Buchenwald, widely regarded as one of wartime Germany's most notorious "death camps".

Information connecting Ilse and Koch Industries is hard to find but is a string of fragments, pieces of information that connects the American and German Kochs and this connection gives us a clear image of the sentiment behind the Tea Party and conservative American politics since the 1950s. Where is the connection between the German Koch's and Fred Koch? Besides evidence the American Koch was related to Ilse's family, Erich Koch (a high level Nazi official in charge of Prussia) invites Fred Koch to sell his oil in Nazi Germany when he is banned from doing business in the US. After the fall of Nazi Germany, Erich Koch and Fred expand the oil empire to the Soviet Union. Erich Koch had been in charge of Prussia for Hitler so his ties to the Soviet Union ran deep. A few years later the Soviets took Fred Koch's oil and prosecuted Erich for war crimes - Fred Koch returned to the US, became anti-communist, and was allowed to do business in the States again.

American Fred Koch, and through association the Kochs from Germany, establish the John Birch Society in the 1950s in NY, which becomes the policy center for American conservatives. The society was built on Fred Koch's oil money in the 1950s and can be thought of as the center of neo-conservative politics as well as the Tea Party movement. The ideologies of each are not the same - but the Tea Party fits into the neo-conservative put for colonial corporate police state as a sort of consumer citizen of the neo-conservative strategy mad as hell at the government and the legacy of liberalism, postmodernism, multiculturalism, taxes....etc.

Ilse and her husband Karl were tried by the SS before the war ended, accused of corruption. Her husband Karl Otto Koch was tried and sentenced to death in Nazi Germany. After the war, Ilse was arrested in the German American Zone, tried in front of a tribunal and sentenced, but was quickly pardoned by the American general appointed leader of the zone. _

Erich Koch

Koch reported to Hitler that unemployment had been banished entirely from East Prussia, a feat that gained admiration throughout the Reich. On September 1, Koch became Reichskommissar of Reichskommissariat Ukraine with control of the Gestapo and the police. His domain was extended from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea; he captured ethnic German, Polish, Belarus and Ukrainian's declaring that "Ukraine children need no schools. What they'll have to learn will be taught them by their German masters" and"If I meet a Ukrainian worthy of being seated at my table, I must have him shot..". Koch worked together with the General Plenipotentiary for Labour Deployment, providing the Reich with forced labor. Due to his brutal actions, Nazi rule in Ukraine was disturbed by a growing number. Before once more getting away himself, by escaping through this Baltic Sea port on April 23, 1945, on the icebreaker Ostpreußen. He faced charges of war crimes for the extermination of 400,000 Poles, but was never indicted for his crimes in Ukraine. He was sentenced to death on March 9, 1959 by the district court in Warsaw for having planned, prepared and organised the mass murder of civilians. Russians thought he possessed information about art looted by the Nazis during the war. Years after the war, Koch stood trial in Poland and was convicted in 1959 of war crimes and sentenced to death. The sentence was commuted to life imprisonment a year later.

Brother of Erich Koch, Karl Otto Koch

....(August 2, 1897 – April 5, 1945), a Standartenführer (Colonel) in the German Schutzstaffel (SS), was the first commandant of the Nazi concentration camps at Buchenwald. On August 1, 1937 he was given command of the new concentration camp at Buchenwald. Investigation into his improper conduct at Buchenwald included corruption, fraud, embezzlement, drunkenness, sexual offences and a murder. Koch's orders to kill prisoners at the camp were revealed, as well as embezzlement of property stolen from prisoners.

Ilse Koch

Koch married Ilse Köhler with whom he had a son and two daughters. Köhler later became known as "The * of Buchenwald. She was accused of taking souvenirs from the skin of murdered inmates with distinctive tattoos. She built an indoor sports arena, which cost over 250,000 marks, most of which were taken from the inmates arrested by the Gestapo for embezzlement of SS funds and the murder of certain inmates in an attempt to cover up these crimes. She was tried for war crimes by an American military tribunal in 1947. Prosecuting her was future United States Court of Claims Judge Robert L. Kunzig. She was charged with "participating in a criminal plan for aiding, abetting and participating in the murders at Buchenwald." The tribunal found Koch guilty and sentenced her to life imprisonment. After she had served two years, General Lucius D. Clay, the interim military governor of the American Zone in Germany, pardoned her. Owing to international condemnation, however, Koch was re-arrested in 1949 and tried before a West German court for instigation to murder in 135 cases. She was sentenced to life imprisonment on January 15, 1951. She committed suicide by hanging herself at Aichach women's prison on September 1, 1967

Fred Chase Koch

....(September 23, 1900 – November 17, 1967) chemical engineer and founded the TEXACO oil refinery firm that later became Koch Industries (Chevron). Koch and its customers were sued for patent infringement, process for turning crude oil into gasoline. Litigation effectively put Winkler-Koch out of business in the U.S. for several years. Koch turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union and NAZI GERMANY, reportedly with the help of ERICH KOCH. During his time in the Soviet Union, Fred Koch came to despise communism and Josef Stalin's regime "a land of hunger, misery and terror". Fred C. Koch married Mary Robinson in Kansas City, Missouri in 1932. They had four sons, Frederick (b. 1933), Charles (b. 1935), David (b. 1940) and William (b. 1940).
His sons are Charles de Ganahl Koch and David H. Koch. The New York Times on Charles and David:

"Koch Industries began with oil in the 1930s and now also spews an array of industrial products, from Dixie cups to Lycra, not unlike DuPont’s portfolio of paint and plastics. Sometimes the biological DNA persists as well. The Koch brothers’ father, Fred, was among the select group chosen to serve on the Birch Society’s top governing body. In a recorded 1963 speech that survives in a University of Michigan archive, he can be heard warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us". That rant could be delivered as is at any Tea Party rally today.

Last week the Kochs were shoved unwillingly into the spotlight by the most comprehensive journalistic portrait of them yet, written by Jane Mayer of The New Yorker. Her article caused a stir among those in Manhattan’s liberal elite who didn’t know that David Koch, widely celebrated for his cultural philanthropy, is not merely another rich conservative Republican but the founder of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which, as Mayer writes with some understatement, “has worked closely with the Tea Party since the movement’s inception". To New Yorkers who associate the David H. Koch Theater at Lincoln Center with the New York City Ballet, it’s startling to learn that the Texas branch of that foundation’s political arm, known simply as Americans for Prosperity, gave its Blogger of the Year Award to an activist who had called President Obama “cokehead in chief.”


The John Birch Society

The foundation is financed via the oil and gas fortunes of Fred G. Koch, a founding member of the John Birch Society. Koch "wrote admiringly of Benito Mussolini's suppression of Communists in Italy, and disparagingly of the American civil-rights movement. http://www.jbs.org/

The depth of influence the Koch's exert over the US conservative agenda

Sons Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch run the company as well as Koch Family Foundations, one of the largest single sources of funding for conservative organizations in the United States. Organizations and think tanks supported by the foundation include Citizens for a Sound Economy, the libertarian Cato Institute, Reason Magazine, the Manhattan Institute, the Heartland Institute and the Democratic Leadership Council. David H. Koch ran for president on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1980. Author Thomas Frank wrote in "What's the Matter with Kansas?" that "Koch money flowed through Triad Management Services", an advisory service to conservative donors groups and candidates, for the 1996 Senate campaign of Sam Brownback. Other sources only hint at a connection of Koch family members and Triad. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Industries

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 5 years ago

Thanks for posting this excerpt BD!

"The Koch brothers’ father, Fred, was among the select group chosen to serve on the Birch Society’s top governing body. In a recorded 1963 speech that survives in a University of Michigan archive, he can be heard warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us"."

The above portion is in line and further corroborating evidence of what Norman Dodd also said in a very interesting interview brought to my attention by 'Middleaged' a couple of days ago. His post, verbatim, below.

"Did anyone else see the Video about US Tax Exempt Foundations and their influence with all of their Big Money??? Essentially it comes down to a young woman who got involved in documenting what these Foundations were doing and what their Long Range Strategic Plans revealed. In the end the young woman had her life ruined... 

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLVnzV0Vk94> (Part one of Six)

G. Edward Griffin is a Film Maker, Historian and possible conspiracy Theorist. 

Anyway there was a big Congressional Inquiry like in 1952 about Foundations. Seems like in the end - It was a Power Struggle against the investigators by Congress and the Foundations. Sounds like a good Case Study if you are interested in Government Leadership, The Invisible Hand of puppet masters, Project management in the Government, Etc. 
Most of the Documentary is an Interview with Norman Dodd, New York Banker, Director of Research for the Reece Committee in 1953, interviewed in 1982 or so. The Reece Committee 1952-54 is what the investigation was called. 


The Select Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations and Comparable Organizations was an investigative committee of the United States House of Representatives between 1952 and 1954.[1] The committee was originally created by House Resolution 561 during the 82nd Congress. The committee investigated the use of funds by tax-exempt organizations (non-profit organizations) to see if they were being used to support communism.[2][3] The committee was alternatively known as the Cox Committee and the Reece Committee after its two chairmen, Edward E. Cox and B. Carroll Reece. 

It is about 7 minutes into part 2 that Norman starts talking about the Reece Committee here: 


Check 2 minutes into part 3 


Then check 6:30 minutes into part 3 "



[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Funny that that selected excerpt would turn out to be Koch's Sons and the USA's corpoRAT story.

"The Koch brothers’ father, Fred, was among the select group chosen to serve on the Birch Society’s top governing body. In a recorded 1963 speech that survives in a University of Michigan archive, he can be heard warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us"."

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Maybe this is the ultimate CEO Evil. Executives do what it takes to get the job done. They think of themselves as soldiers. When they get an order, they sit and work on it. Doesn't matter the ethics, an executive considers the payoff. Will it save his life, make him rich, provide him with power, will he get status and further life opportunities?

Perhaps the Koch Family is just a family that went through the depression era and refused to think of the ethics of orders. Like the Nazis or the Fascist orders were orders.

So the Koch Family killed, raped, and worse ...because they were officers or executives. It was their job to carry out the orders and get ahead in life.

Simple Evil. Simple in the course of filling a role for a large organization much like a corporation.

In summary this is my proposal:

1) Insert National rules for mission statements and objective statements.

2) Insert National rules for ethical behavior in goal statements.

3) Mandate that US Legal Organizations Strategic Planning clearly state and addresses the community, environmental, financial interests of the government in unemployment, job preservation, and social safety nets that may be affected by job losses created by mergers and leveraged take-overs by hostile or unfriendly firms that may saddle the organization with huge debt.

4) Make all US Corporations, Fountadtions, governments, and legal organizations incorporate mission, objectives, and goals that are ethical and transparent to the public and employees.

5) US Strategic Planning as practiced in the US is focused as it is on it's own goals is acting like a maverick, acting like a loner, acting to the exclusion of national identity and responsibility. US Organizations ARE Acting like an off-shore privateer, a pirate, or a disinterested party.

6) There is nothing wrong with forcing corporations to serve the country if not the community by being transparent. I think we would expect the same of NGOs, Foundations, PACs, 501 (c)(4) organizations, 527 organizations (soft money), and any legal entity formed or incorporated in the USA. US Legal entities must be better citizens or state economy participants.


[-] -1 points by nazihunter (215) 5 years ago

Some good ideas. I think the basic underlying assumption you're making is that if everyone did things with honor and concern for the whole, they could still be prosperous. Trust would be idealized. People wouldn't be getting a mishmash of manufactured facts and be at each others' throats. I like it. Is that right?

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Yes, being open & Transparent (glasnost) and having laws and regulations ...with proper implementation and enforcement leads to better outcomes and ...self respect and honor for individuals.

But Really this is expected from people in the government that are administrators of government programs. A program of being an industry regulator or bank examiner should be very similar to an administrator who looks for a successful program, good outcomes, low fraud, low theft, good book keeping, good audit outcomes, and a healthy industry which serves as a stakeholder or a participant in society.

Corporate managers are just like government administrators in one sense. The both want to control behavior and promote good outcomes or high production.

Yes, you have the idea. Jim Rogers says you can clean it up without Sarbannes-Oxley regulations. Bill K. Black prosecuted 3000 people in the Savings and Loan Scandal and set up receiverships to dispose of assets of bankrupt banks. I think the laws are all in place if there was enforcement. Except for ethics requirements.

In fact there is a preceedent case in the 1960-70s there were slush funds in the Auto industry. You can take government people out to lunch, to a strip bar, buy drinks, get drunk, and write it off as a business expense. I don't know when it ended probably in the 1980s. By 1990 it was just a memory.

But we hear now that in New York Bankers and stock brokers had continued these practices at least within the company ... I think it was in the video "Inside Job".

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Americans For Prosperity/Koch's are also fielding many dem attack adds as well as RINO support adds.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Money out of politics. All of it! Public campaign financing now!


[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Yes - and Move to Amend - any and all campaigns to remove corpoRAT personhood and get money out of politics. No more profits over people!!!

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

We can agree on that.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago
[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Romney, Obama, D, R, and the MIC puppet masters- The Big Three- Banks, Oil and Insurance.

The real puppet masters are the ones you have never heard of. The Kochs are just loud mouth media whores that put on a lot of nonsense. If you think the people that have been running this world for a long long time give two shits what those two clowns have to say, you arent correct. Like Soros on the left. Just a loud mouth, look at me, Im important hack.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Soros has nothing compared to the Kochs.

And you mentioned Oil as the real Puppet masters. But you failed to mention that the Kochs ($25B ea!) are the largest private corp in Oil.

So you agree that the Kochs are the puppetmasters because of their domination in Oil?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

The ones who are the real puppet masters are the ones you never heard of. If they are on the Forbes list, then they arent really behind the scenes.

Soros and the Koch Bros both donate a lot of money to politics, but they arent the ones making the decisions. The banking cartel lobby and oil lobby have been around much longer than these two, and outspoken morons like these two usually arent tolerated in circles like that.

They are rich. They do pollute the media with their bullshit. But their pull pretty much stops there.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

The Kochs are at the pinnacle of power in 1 of Amerericas2 political parties.

Your weak attempt at providing cover for them notwithstanding. I don't doubt there are others, I don't doubt some do not like the flamboyance of the Kochs but that doesn't change the reality that the Kochs have been working for 3 decades to rig the system in their favor and against therest of us.

So I suppose once again we disagree.

You say Oligarch Koch influence ain't really the problem (we all know it is) in order to get everyone to let it be, And I say it is at the center of all our problems. Not the only oligarch at the center, just the worst!

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

I think Kochs and Soros and Adleson flooding the media with bullshit messaging is a problem.

Who the fuck said I was providing cover for them?!! Because I say they are loud mouth billionairs, and that the real Zionist/Globalist leaders are the ones you dont hear about?

Thats like saying Jamie Dimon is the one who really runs Jp Morgan, because he is the CEO. Come on man.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

I said you were providing cover!!!

Pay attention. You claimed "they aren't the ones making decisions" THAT is providing cover/excuses/passes for your Koch boy friends!

Comparing the Kochs to Soros when there is no comparison at all. Not in money earned/owned, not in political contributions, not in political involvement. This also provides your koch boys more cover.

You said they "usually aren't tolerated" amongst the real puppet masters. That is untrue. THEY are at the center of the puppet masters, not the only one and maybe disliked for their high visibility, but loved for their successful results. So that is more cover. You are saying they ain;t the puppet masters when they are!

Finally you ended with the lie that "their pull pretty much stops" with polluting the media. That is a blatant lie and clearcover for these criminals.

The Kochs have been working against the 99% for 3 decades. They areat the pinnacle of power in the republican party.

Stop lying. You know it's true!.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

I only used Soros as an example to give the arguement some balance, its what the right screams about constantly.

Each side bitches about people manipulating thing, holding up the other, chasing each other around.

While the D/R is having nice lobster dinners together in DC, isolated from teh realities they have created.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Whatever. Soros ain't doin nothin like the Kochs have been doin for 30 years!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Im stating that your implying that the Kochs are running the cartel is very short sighted. It is in no way/shape/form an excuse of their participation. Im all for all money out of politics.

High visiblity is not tolerated in the circles that run this show. The real powers could care less about politics, because they win either way. And they are done with the USA and are currently setting up shop int eh BRIC nations, so buckle up, its going to be a rough road back down to reality.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Please. "They are done with the US"? We are the richest most powerful nation on the planet!. With the largest middleclass consumer market. The koch puppet masters are absolutely not done with us. The US facilitates everything they do.

The US puppet master are certainly playing with the brics, and created the worldwide economic crash that screwed with the brics as well, but the puppet masters of whom the Kochs are right up there at the top are very much concerned about American politics/elections that is why they are spending hundreds of millions to defeat dems.

To suggest they ain't concerned is just another of you weak attempts to throw us off the track of these puppet master criminals.

Try again.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

The cartel is going to win whoever wins, and that is the bottom line. None of your "choices" havent already been preapproved.

Its not about winning or losing, its about maintaining confidence by the average Joe that this system isnt totally rigged against him, which it most certainly is.

The US is 27th on the education scale, horribly out of shape, and most of our consumption has been based off of credit. Rates WILL go up eventually, and its going to send this thing off the cliff.

Theres millions being spent by both sides. Everyone wants their own pet politician. It must be a nice perk in life to be able to buy your legislation.

We are the largest consumers in teh world, that is for sure. We will eat/drink/buy anything you put in front of us. Just get it on primetime.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Yeah. I ain't given up takin' my govt back from the kochheads.

I have not resigned myself to the crash you keep talkin about. I intend to fight and take the govt back from thewealthy.

That's why I support OWS. The cartel ain't gonna win, they've won many battles especially over the last 30 years. But we are forming our army and nothing can stop the people united.

Get out of the corner, get up off your knees, stop defending the criminal Kochs! You are needed and it is time!

"release the hounds!"

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

and that the real Zionist/Globalist leaders are the ones you dont hear about
FINALLY - the truth about this Florida troll

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago


How the hell are you dude!?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

I've been trying to tell you. The guy's fishy.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

Will Rogers - "guests and fish stink after three days"

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

You gotta love ol' Will.

The irony, is that crap starts to lose it's stink after a few days..............<:O

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

you have not been around hchc for three days

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

At least several days more, that's how I know it's fishy..................LOL

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

So you dont think there is a scheme at work right now?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

There's likely several dozen.

nObody here really knows what they are.

I gave you a descriptive, accurate, scalable tool to describe them.

You rejected it, for continued nonsense. Now it's some stink about zionism?

I hope that someday you climb out of that box you're in.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Says the guy with the lamest, most embarrasing cartoons that only discredit the entire OWS goal....whatever dude.

When Obama takes us to war with Iran next year maybe you will finally have woken up. If protecting the bankers doesnt do it, maybe that will.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

I think his cartoons are excellent, and it appears that Pres Obama has successfully resisted your right wing war mongers (here & in Isreal) pressure to invade Iran.

How does that make you feel?

Are you sad?


[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Why would I be sad? Im anti war. Im not happy with replacing troops with mercanaries in Iraq. You are the one who said you're fine with a few hundred deaths a year. Remember that little conversation?

War with Iran is coming regardless of who wins the election. Follow the trends, not the silly letters at the end of their names.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

I am not fine with a few hundred deaths a year. I recognize that the reduction of US military death from 1 million+ down to thousands is real progress.

I am against war. I am against our drone attacks. I am against the thousands we are still killing. I march against that, I sign petitions against it as well.

Iran: Several people here, you included have been beaten Pres Obama up overthe coming invasion of Iran. I have watched as the right wing war mogers have been pressuring Obama all year for an invasion. Isreali right wing war mongers as well. They made a last ditch effort in the weeks before the UN mneetings.

And Pres Obama has resisted successfully. Now you say well there will be a war. Please. Ifthe right wing assumes power there will be. But not Pres Obama he does not want that. And it does apearthe sanctions are working as the real (iranian currency) is collapsing.

So Iran may submit. and therefore we may avoid another oil war!

No good? You disagree?

Or are you sad that Pres Obama has successfully resisted the right wing war mongers effort to force an invasion of Iran?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago
[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

If you consider Obama (who is just a puppet) plunging their currency into a free fal through sanctions, and starving thousands of people, not a precursor to war, then you need to go study how these things progress.

Crushing a nations economy is an act of war.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

We ain't going to war unless the repubs get into office!

The sanctions are a diplomatic effort by many nations to avoid war.

They will submit or their economy will continue to suffer. Their people WILL rise up and then they will know our power.

Mooo Ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Bush would have loved you.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Bush would have invaded already. No right wing war monger pressure required.

Don't you get it? There really is a difference between the parties!! On this issue (war in Iran) one party is pressuring for invasion, the other has successfully resisted that pressure!!

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Bush probably would have invaded already, you are right. Although Iran is a bit different, because there are a few countries tied to it. If you dont think Hillary isnt going around mustering up support for this, I mean, come on man...

Do you think Bush would have attacked Libya?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Wow that's pretty pessimistic i have real hope in the power of the people.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

You're mistaken about Iran. We will get Iran to give up nuclear weapons. And we will begin the process of eliminating ALL nuclear weapons.

Whatta ya think of that boss?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Time will tell. They have been talking about removing all nukes since we used em. I dont think its going to happen until there is a nuke war, and the world is devastated. Even then, Im sure a few people will hold onto a few.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Bush would have invaded Libya and stayed! He would not have gotten a real coalition together and would not have let other countries take the lead.

I prefer Pres Obama libya approach. And that is all over now. The leader their just dropped his 1st admin cabinet bevause they were not supported by the moderates I believe and has put a new proposed cabinet together.

So that's good no?

And Hilary ain;t tryin to get a coalition together to attack Iran. You are daft man. We just wanna get them to stop the nuclear weapon program.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

I agree - the warmongering Obama haters -
the Obama is a Muslim -
the Obama is not American -
the D = R crazies -

here's my bet - NO ONE will invade Iran
Iran's president will be gone next summer
Obama will replace many of his "wall streeters" including mr g Binden will tear up lyan ryan
Obama has learned his lesson.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Bottom line with Libya, we showed em who runs the show, and what happens when they dont want to play ball with us anymore.

And Bush did plenty of Coalition bragging during his Iraq disaster. "Coalitions" involving us were bullshit then, and they are bullshit now.

And what exactly does "taking the lead" mean? Use your bombs now for a while, let us finally save some of ours?

Iran is not going to bow down to the US. This is ending in one of two ways: The US says its not worth it, or the US shows Iran who the boss is.


[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Who else? Im not sure who else. But I do know that these big banks, the CEO is just a puppet position, similar to the POTUS in our gov. CEO's come and go, as needed to maintain public confidence, but the real owners of this banking cartel go a lot deeper than a current CEO.


[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

ITs not bullshit at all. JP Morgan bailed out the US gov in 1895. That was 100+ years ago. If you think the people that run the show arent smart enough to put a well spoken, nice looking person in there to be the PR guy.....


[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Dude, you are looking at this like its Kodak, and not the banking cartel. The CEO for these guys is just a PR guy, a face to put in front of people. A guy to sit in front of the banking commitee to get yelled at.

Lloyd Blankfein is taking orders from someone, you can bet your ass on that.


[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Again, you are thinking of businesses, Im talking about the cartel.

Its why they always float out of the Treasury, to the Fed, to JP/Goldman/MS/etc...in no specific order.

Paying money to look legit is not a problem when you control the planet.


[-] -1 points by nazihunter (215) 5 years ago

I'm not with you on that one. There is nothing extraordinary about CEOs. You talk about them like their geeee-i-yusses. Opportunists-definately, smart, yah right. Here's the corporate truth-they themselves are just politicians. They know very little about the nuts and bolts of the companies they run and who does the real work and who covers up. The senior management rarely scrutinaizes their subordinates and so on down the line. The engines for 99% of successful companies are already in place. They could make tons of money with NO CEO-period. In fact, they make money despite themselves. THAT is why the guy at the bottom is ALWAYS the one to get fucked. They have NO vision, NO organizational skills, (r u serious?), they have NO ability to get things done. Those guys are very RARE these days.

[-] 0 points by nazihunter (215) 5 years ago

Hey Dog! I like your spirit. Don't let them Koch fuckers in Vermont. I think Bernie, ( in the 'Koch Bros. Exposed' documentary), needs to make that a state law. I say Amen, Amen! And so it shall be done.


[-] -1 points by nazihunter (215) 5 years ago

That's the real discussion America should be having. Why does high-profile=lying scum? Does attaining high office have anything to do with integrity anymore? Occupy needs a huge presence in VT. Next thing you know they'll exploit the state for every corporate interest under the sun. Greed supersedes Balance-to them. But if you know your're right, then you fight.


[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

He did say.....it's the "Zionist/Globalist leaders". Yes he did, though he seems to have hedged that by ending it as a question.

So the post itself is something of a what the fuck moment anyway.


[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Soros owns OWS, or didn't you know?

I guess that came out during your hiatus...............:)

I don't see Soros or Dimon, but the Kochs and Adelson make # 1 &2 on Bernies list.


I'll go with Bernie over hchc any day of week.

What say you?


[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Bernie understands there's a difference too.

Another important point that gets lost around here from time to time.


[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Eat it, chew it and spew it. Everywhere.

A Rovian PR ideal.

Take a preexisting disposition, tap into it, reinforce it, then step back and watch it grow.


[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

All I can do is continue to be relentless in telling people to vote.

It's a harder job than it should be, that's for sure.

[-] -1 points by nazihunter (215) 5 years ago

Agreed. I guess the point of this post was to show these fellows have a very jaded background and they are well-entrenched. The bankers are also well entrenched. And you know what? They have Nazi leanings too.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

And Milton Friedman's Shock Doctrine.

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[-] -1 points by dennisthedwarf (-16) 5 years ago

Just replace the words "Koch Brothers" with the word..BOOGEYMAN. Same thing. Liberals need a boogeyman to hate, as an excuse for the village idiot Obama's epic failure as president.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

1 serious difference = the Koch's are real and they are Bad for society/world. The things they do ( are allowed to do ) are truly frightening and awful.

[-] -1 points by dennisthedwarf (-16) 5 years ago

Like I said...just call them the BOOGEYMAN asshole. Bad for the world?? What the fuck are you talking about.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Pollution destruction poisoning of the environment - the purchase of politics.

You were not aware????

[-] -1 points by nazihunter (215) 5 years ago

We know who your boogeyman is--Obama. Watch him kick ass all over your boy.

[-] -1 points by nazihunter (215) 5 years ago

Fair comment. I would just point out that the Kochs ARE big oil and banking. Romney has done speaking engagements for AFP. I totally agree, their beliefs are sheer nonsense. Do you wanna how many retards believe sheer nonsense in this country, (way too many for anyone's good.) Obama is a black communist-to them. They couldn't hate anything more. Watch 'Kochs Exposed.' A particularly telling thing is when Gov. Walker takes a phone IMMEDIATELY from someone pretending to be David Koch and acts just like a puppy taking orders. Unbelievable. Dig a little deeper. The 3 you mention are a given; insurance is also subservient to the states and the dogs exist at the state level-like in Georgia where you have to buy insurance but it isn't worth a damn, ie, Georgia addendums back the insurers against the insured. But the Fed is the bank to the banks-Get rid of it and the taxpayers are a whole lot less their bail guarantee. Notice what candidates like to talk at Occupy? Morals, ethics, courage-IN ABSENTIA. No money, no talkee. Sad , ain't it? That's what makes the Kochs very, and I mean VERY dangerous.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

I agree about how Obama will clean his economic house and install more progressive people.

It may be that it is him learning his lesson or this may have been the plan all along.

I'm probably too idealistic.

[-] -2 points by WeThePeop (-259) 5 years ago

Obama's puppet master = George Soros

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Soros has no money compared to these 2 evil right wing wackos.

And Soros has not been working for 30 years with phoney grass roots front groups to rig the govt againstthe 99% and for the %.


[-] -1 points by WeThePeop (-259) 5 years ago

Soros has plenty of cash and is right up their with them as far as cash goes

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Soros has less than $20B The Kochs each have almost $30B.

The Kochs, as Americans have great opportunity, and many connections to help repubs, They've executed a plan over the last 30 years to cut regs, taxes for corps & 1%'rs, and hurt 99%'rs.

Soros has done nothing of the kind. It's a false comparison.

[-] -1 points by WeThePeop (-259) 5 years ago

Soros is all for socialism and would like to bring the US to it's knees

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Isn't socialism good.

Socialism allows the entire society to lift up those who are sick,poor,or disadvantaged. that helps us all no?

We all do better when we all do better.

[-] -1 points by WeThePeop (-259) 5 years ago

Socialism is nothing more than the Gov having more control over our lives. You folks just do not get it, socialism is a disaster in other Countries and it would be the same here

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Nah. We need to help those left behind. Same way we help those family members who need a hand up. We must think of the country, (even the planet) as one big family.

Open your heart. It's nice to share.

If you are concerned about govt control, let's fight against govt interference in womens reproductive rights,and what we do in our bedrooms, As well as spying on phones/ineternet, & indef detention.

These are real intrusions into our private lives.

Feeding,housing, & caring for those in need is good govt work.

[-] 0 points by WeThePeop (-259) 5 years ago

I am all for helping my fellow man but there has to be a limit to it. If he is disabled then that is another story. I have seen a lot of abuse in the system and think that it is ok to give some one aid (welfare) for a time being, so they can get back on their feet again. But do not leave someone on welfare for years

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Sure. We definitely agree there should be limits. We can also agree their is some waste/fraud/abuse. I of course agree we should all be against waste/fraud/abuse.

Of course I say there is very little waste/fraud/abuse by individuals. Mostly that happens when corps get involved with govt help for people.

Like when banks abused their role in student loans (good thing our govt took that away) And the overcharging of govt medicare/medicaid by insurance corps, and hospitals. (good thing our govt found and cut $716B from medicare overpaying)

But the fraud/waste/abuse by individuals on welfare?. Miniscule. We should always look but there is so little money spent on welfare that the small amount of cheating amounts to less than 1% of our budget.


[-] 0 points by WeThePeop (-259) 5 years ago

I am not sure about a small amount of fraud and do think that it is a big problem that is only getting worse. l worked every day of my life and continue to do so, but it makes me bitter to think that some individuals that abuse the system, that I am helping pay for. In my neighborhood their is some individuals on welfare that are actually doing better financially than some that work. Some of them have next to new cars, maybe one or two riding lawn mowers, etc. Back in the day if you had a real nice car, etc you did not get assistance.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Very few people are cheating the welfare system. This is just right wing lies designed to get white people to vote against any programs to help the poor.

Don't believe it. We look for fraud, we should continue, even expand the search. but know that it is VERY LITTLE money at stake here.

We will do better finding money from big corps that cheat on their taxes.

THAT is outrages.

[-] 0 points by WeThePeop (-259) 5 years ago

I live in Mi and I know there is a lot of fraud here

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

I live in bklyn NY. It ain't that much.

It is minuscule compared to the massive fed budget, And nothing compared to the tax evasion of big corps!

That is what we should be outraged at. Corps do fine. The few poor cheats are still poor I assure you.

If you really wanna save money (and don't wanna just go after the disadvantaged) then go where the money is. The big corps are stealing billions from the American taxpayer every year.

Not outraged about that?