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Forum Post: Problems? I'll explain how the 99% Conglomerate can solve them.

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 26, 2013, 10:58 p.m. EST by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB
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Not yet convinced? Go ahead, state any problem with society, politics, economics, justice, whatever.

Back to Topic References: http://occupywallst.org/forum/conglomerate-and-dgrc-topic-references/

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[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

TwinkleMe: The People Think They Are Free, But Our Society is Just a Giant Cotton Mill Town. http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-people-think-they-are-free-but-our-society-is-/

I'll soon let you know what the Conglomerate can do.

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[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

Actually ultimate would not be in DG because ultimately the only replacement is when there is no longer such a thing as tainted money or any money for that matter and it can certainly happen just like that (snap finger) FREEDOM...

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

I know it's not clear yet, I still get stumped on it. Think of DG as the political system and Responsible Capitalism as the economic system. I am truly looking forward to the end of the money-based economy and capitalism.

DG can work well now, and it is my personal preference for a political system in a post-money era.

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[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

The people at the top of the Conglomerate will always be totally for the 99%. It's a built in truth, as the Conglomerate can't make a move without thousands of business owners, and secondarily, millions of supporting consumers being aware. All is public.

But the answer to the first question, is because they've been in power for hundreds of years and it goes pretty deep as I'm sure you're aware.

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[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Why do you keep calling them my people? I'm not their leader. They aren't at the end of strings I'm pulling.

What makes you think that maybe tens of thousands of small business owners and employees of larger Phase 3 Consumed Workplace Democracy Enforced subsidiaries will be able to pull the wool over your eyes? They wouldn't even try that because 99% consumers will disown a subsidiary who can't follow Responsible Capitalism (RC - See Topic References for more on it).

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[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

We've been over this before elsewhere and what you tend to keep reverting to is that 99% Subsidiaries (mom&pop's) = Monsanto. You believe that all entrepreneurs are evil bankers, which I've said is a serious perceptual error. You think that a large worker-owned corporation = one tycoon.

Later in Phase 3 when we get to the stage we're discussing now, nearly everyone with internet will check before they buy. You'll want to read up on the Conglomerate Website from Topic References. Look for Watchdog and FreeInfo (components of the website, I'm not stuck on names) and follow the links.

If there's too much negative talk about your subsidiary's behavior, if your organization has been in legal disputes or whatever, the people will know. And your sales plummet, which is what I mean by getting disowned by consumers.

On top of that, the Living Constitution of the Conglomerate will require obedience. In Phase 3, the requirements to be a Subsidiary of the Conglomerate are different than P1. In P3, Responsible Capitalism will be instituted and enforced with the Constitution.

Corporations not affiliated with the conglomerate obviously do not need to listen to what the Conglomerate has to say... they only have to adhere to law. Non-99% corporations will not last long after P3 maturity.

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[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

People don't display the price they pay before reselling something because it's just a stupid thing to do. It has nothing to do with their integrity. Supply and demand determine prices, unless trickery is afoot.

I like your idea though, would love to see it. Especially when you get into the scenario of a shopper finding out he can sell a particular item to you cheaper than what you're paying, and your prices go down.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (638) 1 year ago

You start.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Judging by your name, DebtNEUTRALITYpetition, I'd say the problem you need solved is debt. There are numerous ways the Conglomerate and Departmental Governance (DG - See Topic References for more on it) would resolve debt issues.

First of all, consumers will progressively spend more money on 99% products and services. Being on the Directory of Subsidiaries (more in Topic References) is a competitive advantage. It keeps money local and away from the 1%.

Then a bunch of other stuff happens until the national governing systems evolve into something like DG. If DG were to exist, things like traditional banks (including the |F|E|D|, political parties, Monsantos and many other corporations/industries wouldn't exist, at least in the public sector. I can easily see debt issues disappearing.

[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

100% is what WE the people are. Okay the slogan worked for a minute. It has been agreed that this is all inclusive progressive forward motion and this rings way to similar yak yak to what we have. Most importantly your intentions be them as they may are not likely the exception since civilization began to hold such a position without it getting you/others whoever with best of plans it has yet to happen and most likely if ever to happen it will be with very few if not one person. I am sure you will find your place to do what you are good at.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (638) 1 year ago

Why make it personal? If I see something is unfair and injurious, I'll consider getting involved whether it affects me directly or not.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Sorry, bad guess. If you want to take a shot at something specific, just reply.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (638) 1 year ago

I was re-inspired to promote the idea after hearing an economist on the Conan Nolan Newsmakers show make what I consider to be an amazing quote and one that most people just don't understand regarding debt. Here is the link to the article I wrote back in September of 2011 that features that quote.

http://swarmthebanks.blogspot.com/2011/09/why-economy-wont-get-much-better.html

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

The people bailed out the banks.

Now that the banks are back in the profit mode, it's the banks' turn to bail out the people.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (638) 1 year ago

The quote from that show for those who don't want to go to the link is...Banks won't restructure debt without first declaring a default, no matter what the reason is for the debt restructure.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28203) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep I think they will get right on that.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

LOL. I vote for a 16 trillion dollar bail-out package for all Americans.

It might lead to some inflation, but just keep printing greenbacks until the 0.01% are down at the same level as everyone else.

I hear that the North Koreans print some very convincing US currency.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Unfortunately the 1% know better than to hold currency... they transfer all their paper to gold and silver, wait for the crash, then sell their REAL money to buy up the nation's assets. Then they crash the value of gold and silver so they can buy it back up again.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

All the more reason to start printing your own.

Why should they have sole rights to "making money"??

They keep phukking it up, and expecting bailouts. Why?

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

If Responsible Capitalism were to be fully engaged and government enforced, there would be no Federal Reserve and no private entity would be allowed to profit from debt. Debt is among the forbidden industries, along with resource extraction, drug manufacturing/production/sales, etc., which must be in public hands only.

It's actually citizens who determine what is "irresponsible" behavior, label corporations as Irresponsible, and decide which industries should not be in private hands.

You'll find a list started in Topic References of things corporations must/not do to be allowed to exist, in a Responsible Capitalism.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Your point being that we don't have one?

A responsible capitalism, I mean.

[-] 2 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Yes, obviously it is very irresponsible. There are probably thousands of reasons why.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28203) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I twinkled all your zeroes.

Someone must have it in for you. ~(:-)}

It's just paper. It has only the value you imagine it to have. A decent printer could easily knock out a few million to play with.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28203) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thx - were there a lot of them? worth collecting and putting a 1 at the left of the row? {;-]) yeah I seem to have a fan club - but I am not the only one - So - I remain Humble - well kinda.