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Forum Post: Please sign this White House petition to sensibly regulate guns, and send it to as many people as you can

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 18, 2012, 6:55 p.m. EST by farminator3000 (8)
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/increase-discussion-regulation-and-taxation-assault-weapons-using-article-2section-3-constitution/JZKxN37J

if this gets 25,000 signatures, they have to discuss it at a White House meeting and respond. all you need is an email and a name. thank you.

the above reads:

we petition the obama administration to: Increase the Discussion, Regulation and Taxation of assault weapons by using Article 2,Section 3 of the Constitution

to convene a Special Commission of 51 Senators to create legislation to:

  1. collect a 25% tax on all new gun purchases, used for improving our nation's mental health screening and care.

  2. change firearm laws to be similar to automobile laws, requiring titles, training, testing, insurance, and inspection for guns, and declare guns with clips holding 7 or more bullets to be assault style.

  3. create an internet forum for citizens to participate in a rational discussion of the epidemic of gun violence, and begin to reduce the influence of pro-gun lobbies.

While gun ownership is a right, the word right means both "a just claim or title" and "adherence to moral and legal principles and authority." There are more guns than cars in America, and the amount of laws should reflect that. Created: Dec 17, 2012 Issues: Consumer Protections, Firearms, Health Care

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[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

That is all true about Psychologist/psychiatrists.

Someone made the point that these people that kill kids are on Psychotropic drugs. No one can kill kids without drugs. People with Mental illnesses don't normally or in any number actually go killing and I have never heard of a trend in people with mental illness killing kids one after anohter.

The Lobby for Big Pharma is bigger than the Gun Lobby. Big Pharma wants to get us all taking more and more drugs so they get richer. Biig Pharma is one of the RIchest Industries in the world.

Hey we had a big terrorist event in USA, now we have conservative government with high security just like they wanted in Europe under NATOs Operation Gladio. Makes you wonder. Parts of Gladio might still be operating in places like Turkey, Norway, Switzerland, ... USA.

So perhaps US Programs are Empires that never really go away. CIA became official after WWII, it will never go away. We just Added DHS, it will probably continue to grow and will do something very stupid pretty soon. Who is to say that MK-Ultra is not still part of our Intelligence network...

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[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Right, and we know Operation Paper Clip and other operations scooped up as much info as possible to archive or make use of in the US Military. We never throw out info. Each Branch of Service has its own college. CIA has it's own data base. We really don't know how many Inteligence agencies we have. And they aren't going to tell us.

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[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You said it. Military has the upper hand on the Whitehouse. But if you read a bit and think about it. We have really hairy bastards in our military. They really hate democrats. They really want to control a huge part of US Foreign policy. They hate to pull out of war. They lie about body county, and any number of inidcators of war progress. I mean the confidence and hubris of our Military is really unbelieveable.

Take the Gladio story http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2006/12/358945.pdf Was just reading how the CIA and US NATO Leadership was running secret armies in Europe/Nato and calling shots in State Sponsored Terrorism in Italy and other countries.

But this King Family Case has a surpise http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers the have expert testimony about half-way through about how the CIA controls US Media. Owns it. And explains how national security cases are special and everyone play ball and writes the stories the way told.
Bill Schaap is the Expert.

[-] 1 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

i asked for signatures, not rants. so you have no problem with mentally ill people buying guns? that's your business. i have a problem with it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mentally-ill-buy-guns-ease-u-s-states-forwarding-crucial-mental-health-recods-database-screen-gun-licenses-article-1.977651

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[-] 1 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

i don't get how the word hypocracy fits here. can you explain?

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[-] 0 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

it is part of the solution. so is legalizing drugs. so is banning bad drugs. lots of drugs that are legal now are worse than some of the ones that are illegal. of course laws are a solution. tens of thousands more people would die if there were no laws about owning and using cars

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[-] 0 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

no, i think you are missing the big picture by focusing too much on one aspect. and i don't believe 'hypocracy' applies here at all

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[-] 1 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

i quit replying until you look up the word hypocracy. have a screaming nice day!

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[-] 1 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

ok, now look up "paranoid"?

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[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Where do you come from?

my question in video form - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0vpSxAJZmw

an interesting theory - http://occupywallst.org/forum/rush-of-new-users-pushing-wedge-issues/

[-] 1 points by freehorseman (267) from Miles City, Mt 1 year ago

Please call it what it is .People Control not gun regulation.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28246) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

These post's/threads are a distraction. There is no meaningful change that can be made by changing gun laws - the guns are out in the public - stopping the manufacture and sale of high ammunition capacity clips and semi-auto weapons will keep the numbers down ( in legal hands anyway ). But gun laws/rights will not stop mass murderers. Healing societies ills will reduce the number of murders - but will not do a thing to cure a mass murderers intents/reasoning/atrocities.

[-] 1 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

of course laws would help- if there was a law against his mother having such a stupid gun, he wouldn't have had access to it. simple logic?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28246) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes - SIMPLE

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Signed

[-] 0 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

thanks! pass it to the left!

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"Pass the dutchy to the left hand side"

No prob.

[-] 0 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Are u serious!?!? So not only we let them rob us...now u want them to disarm us to?!? guns dont kill people ..people kill people

[-] 1 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Maryland

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

OIC.

Complete denial then. Unable to comprehend a cartoon.

It figures.

Shouldn't you be working on cleaning up the bay?

[-] 0 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Really ask your self what is a gun law really gonna do? people will own guns people will still shoot guns people will still buy guns people will probly buy more guns Dont waste taxpayers money on a dumbass law on something u cant stop lets put that money towards getting some of these crooked ass politicians out of power..

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

We can't stop guns? Really? How many machine guns are there today? None. Because we stopped those. So yeah. If we can stop machine guns, we can stop other assault weapons that have no purpose for civilian use.

[-] 0 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

And Where did u hear that bogus news??? people still own machine guns WAKE UP!!!!

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

A little thing called the National Firearms Act.

[-] 0 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

yeah but ppl still own those weapons ur just another dumb blind american...smh

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

They are very very difficult to get. And you don't hear about shooting rampages anymore using machine guns! Jeesh!

[-] 0 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

...well like i told someone else u go head and surrender ur gun rights...genocide is not to far ahead for this country trust me...

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

Do you even have any clue what the Assault Weapons Ban is? It's not about handguns or hunting rifles. It is about high magazine, high velocity, like 100 rounds per minute military style weapons. Tell me why a civilian needs this?

And the argument about guns don't kill people, people kill people. That is the lamest argument ever! Do you have any idea how idiotic that argument is?! You really are not very smart are you?

People kill people. We have the ability to ban people. We put them jail all the time.

Guns kill people. We have the ability to ban guns. We ban all kinds of guns. Machine guns. Armored tanks. Things that have no civilian purpose in a civilized society. A person can't buy a drone for shits sake!

But according to your logic, we should stop incarcerating people for murder because people are always going to kill people. Throughout history, it's been consistently shown that people will kill people. But according to your logic, we should just let murderers continue to walk around. Because we're not going to stop people from killing people. Same with guns. Don't ban them. Just let them all walk around. With no other purpose than to kill people.

We can't effectively stop people from killing other people either. But we still get them off the fucking street!

People kill people. We take them off the fucking street.

Guns kill people. We need to get them off the fucking street.

I can't make it any more simple for you. You are clearly an idiot.

Really. Tell me why any civilian needs a military style, firing 100 bullets per minute type of weapon. I think you are disturbed. But this I would love to hear anyway.

[-] 0 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

" high magazine, high velocity, like 100 rounds per minute military style weapons"

LOL,machine guns are already pretty much outlawed and extremely hard to get.

The AR-15 or AK-47 that is sold commercially are semi auto. They can only fire as fast as the person can pull the trigger.

The "Assault weapon" moniker was propagated by gun grabbers to instill fear in people of a gun that is no more dangerous than a single action revolver in that it will kill.

Wtf is a "high magazine"?? You need to actually learn something about firearms before you can rant about it.

[-] 1 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

I already said that.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/please-sign-this-petition-to-sensibly-regulate-gun/#comment-898068

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_(firearms)#High_capacity_magazines

Are you suggesting that a handgun has the same capability as an AR-15, AK-47 or the assault weapon that was used the Newtown tragedy?

Nope. I'm not a gun expert. I do know that there are hundreds, maybe thousands of types of guns. I think the ones that have the high velocity, high magazine capacities can do alot more damage than a handgun or hunting rifle. And are not necessary for civilian purposes. Any more than a machine gun is. Or a drone. Or an AC-130 aircraft. The list can go on.

[-] 0 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

Semi-auto hand guns can use 30 round mags. They are no more dangerous than a single action revolver.

You simply don't know enough about this subject from a hardware stance and you don't fully understand the societal ramifications of the regulations you are advocating.

You,like most every other knee jerk emotional respondent to this tragedy are not looking at the big picture.

Advocating for greater gun regulations will lead to the eventual banning of private ownership of ANY gun.

This is the road that leads to serfdom and the down fall of this country. There is far more at stake then you care to know.

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

Whatever. I see no virture in being a gun expert. And it's not necessary to be a gun expert to know that anything auto or semi-auto, with a high round magazine is more dangerous and deadly than a simple handgun.

Either way, even if you had a machine gun, it would be no match for the US military Darling.

Are you delusional? Shocking as this may come to you. You'd need at least a fleet of AC-130's. And that's just for starters. Really. Your tortured logic is, quite frankly, pathetic. You would need, at the very very least, an AC-130 and some armored tanks to protect yourself from a potentially tyrannical government and the US military. Not to mention, the ammunition for those things. Really. What exactly is the point of having an assault weapon? Are you going to use it to shoot at tanks or military aircraft? Chuckle chuckle.

Besides which, there are plenty of other countries that have much more robust weapons bans than the US. And they haven't slipped into serfdom. As you suggest is the necessary result. For example, last I checked, Canada was still perfectly free and doing quite well.

Pure paranoia. And delusional. Your auto or semi auto is not going to save you from serfdom if it comes! And allowing you to indulge your delusional fantasies that it will, simply because it gives you some irrational warm fuzzies, is not a good reason to allow military assault style weapons to the general population for public consumption. Any more than a civilian should have a drone, a tank or an AC-130, or even a machine gun.

[-] -1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

I'm glad you've convinced yourself so completely. If these are your conclusions I'm not shocked. Your logic and assumptions are delusional. You've seemed to come up with a whole scenario based upon disinformation,assumptions and complete fabrications.

The problem you're having is trying to explain and convince others without you even having a clue about any of these subjects aside from what you've digested in Hollyweird movies and possibly a few video games and anti-American Leftist websites.

You or I have no idea how a potential American revolution to overthrow a tyrannical Govt. will play out. But one thing for sure is Americans currently are well enough armed to stand our own and just that knowledge alone is enough to ward off any threat foreign or domestic.

You should be comforted in this knowledge instead of trying to participate in the disarming of your own people.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We have the most powerful military in human history for any foreign threat. Domestic threat? if you mean our own govt/military I assure you no amount of guns can stand up to thetanks, drones & bombs of the US military.

Are you kidding or stupid? YOU are clearly delusional! Too many Rambo movies, and too much right wing wacko doomsday prepper literature.

The biggest domestic threat is the irresponsible gun maskers/owners/dealers who allow thousands of guns to get into the hands of criminals for the simple reason of makin more profits. And the fools who shill for them.

Thats the threat we face.

[-] -1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

I see you consume the same diet of anti-American propaganda as Buttercup.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Stop putting gunmakers profits over human life.!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But I ain't the wack job who thinks we can fight off the govt with our ar 15's. LOL

Thats you right.?

I know better. My outrage is towards the idiots who care more for gun owners, and gun makers profits that the gun victims.

[-] 1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

You've already blown your cool and you cover. You're a loose cannon.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Shut the fuck up!

There is no risk of violence from me because I am a progressive "we're in this together" believer, committed to non violent protest to take back the peoples govt from the 1% corp oligarchs.

You want to protect gun rights, in case you gotta defend against the govt comin after you. Duh! Whatta a goddamn moron, wacko.

[-] 0 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

"no risk of violence from me"

How is anybody to believe you when you are obviously so angry?

You seem to have a lot of aggression issues and have an extremely short fuse. Of course you want everyone to believe you but your demeanor is quite the opposite.

You'd be the perfect candidate. Someone who claims to be "non violent" and gains people's trust and confidence and then.....SURPRISE!!! BANG,BANG....OUT GOES THE LIGHTS!!

Happens all the time. Just say'n.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But I ain't the wack job who thinks we can fight off the govt with our ar 15's. LOL

Thats you right.?

I know better. My outrage is towards the idiots who care more for gun owners, and gun makers profits that the gun victims.

[-] 1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

You've already blown your cool and your cover. You're a loose cannon.....yet again.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're the fuckin moron talkin about armed opposition to the govt. And you got the nerve to say I'M anti american.

Go back to your doomsday prepper marathon, in your end of days bunker with your hoarded food & ammo and leave us the business of taking back the peoples govt back from your right wing wacko 1% corp oligarchs.

BAM!

You inhuman, dishonorable gun nut wacko bastard!

[-] 1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

You've got severe hostility issue's it seems. It's better for society perhaps that you don't have a gun. Lord knows what you'd do with a AR-15 if you found out where those wicked oligarchs are plotting and hatching their evil plans. You might think they are at the movies or maybe a school....please calm down won't you.

[-] -1 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Wen did i say ppl shouldnt go to jail?!? where is that in my comments?? And im the idiot???with all this shit going on...tell me why a a civilian wouldnt need one???and if either of those recent mass murders were gunned down by a civilin with a AR u wouldnt b sayn shit

[-] 4 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

My point is - people go to jail. We 'ban' them. We 'ban' people. Get it? We can therefore 'ban' guns as well. Get it? I'mmmmm tryyyyyinggggg tooooo speak slowwwwwwlyyyyyyyy for youuuuuuu.

What you're talking about is vigilatism. It's uncivilized. It causes it's own set of problems. How would you like to be the victim of a vigilante? Hey- I'm sure he had his reasons. He'll tell us all about it. But sorry. You're dead. So you can't refute his story.

You are definately disturbed. And extremely stupid.

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[-] -2 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

Both handguns and rifles have been banned in NYC; it's a "may issue" license and unless you're a rich politician, the PD in all cases will decide you "may NOT" have a gun. It's far more restrictive than the Federal ban and it's made us a defenseless society.

If you want it in computer speak, banning is not good enough, it's not effective; we need to make these criminals, who use guns to facilitate crime and wanton violence, go "poof."

[-] 3 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

NYC has a very low death rate by guns, on a per capita basis.

http://www.vpc.org/press/1110gundeath.htm

[-] -2 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

If you consider ten deaths per week to be low, yes. Do you realize that over the last week probably a thousand have been murdered nationwide?

[-] 1 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

genocide is happening now because there are too many guns. did genocide happen in japan or the UK when they lost their guns? no. plus, nobody said nything about taking guns away-its about making people who own them responsible for them

[-] 0 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

"Adolf Hitler said in 1933, to conquer a nation, one must first disarm its citizens“ this happened in other countries also...do ur research....and cmon the govt been screwing us for centuries a new law/control will completely disarm us in the long run...

[-] 1 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

i asked you a ??? hello? japan outlawed guns in the 50s and UK in the 90s. last time i checked they are still free countries. with TWELVE or so murders per year. can you follow that? japan is an island in the western pacific and the UK is north of france, which is in europe. got that?

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[-] 0 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

your quote- "any gun legislation coming out of DC will not remove weapons from the hands of the general public"

so why the hell are you ranting about "them" wanting to take your guns?

are you old enough to drink booze?

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[-] -1 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Where do u get this info???? Lemme guess u saw it on CNN??? Wake up....

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[-] -1 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Rather b disgusting than delusional any day...

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Of course, but in your case, it's that you're disgustingly delusional.

Let's hear your delusion about how more guns will cure gun violence, and it's not your fault, it's the constitution's fault.

I'll bet you also think you couldn't possibly have anything to do with global warming.

The problem is you never left 1984, you're livin' it.

Now that's disgusting.

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[-] 0 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

don't be lazy- look it up for yourself instead of yakking at me. i actually READ about it in a few places- try it! some google ideas: 'japan murder rate', 'japan guns', 'japan free country' then you could substitute UK for japan in those searches i'd consider it common knowledge that japan and UK are free, at least

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Are we at risk of being conquered? By whom?

[-] 1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

We are in the process of being "conquered" by the ignorant and the foolish sheeple of America that are willing to give up their freedom for the promise of security and in the end will have neither.

That's whom.

[-] 0 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

Obama's just playing the clown; it's politics. We're not giving up nothing. Really, absolutely nothing. So go home, load another thousand rounds, and have a good day.

[-] 0 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

If that's what you believe then so be it.

I'm guessing you consider the right to bear arms to be "nothing".

[-] 1 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

PS: that wack-job you're conversing with in the above? Definitely an ex-perp; put him on ignore and don't waste your time.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"ex perp"? What does that mean.? My record is clean. You got a problem with people who have paid their debt to society?

[-] 0 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

I consider it to be the only "right" we have left; we're not surrendering it. The courts cannot decide this one; it's you and I that decide this one.

[-] 0 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

Good to hear. Very well said.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So you have guns to shoot sheeple? LOL

Don't be afraid. No one is taking over. The 1% corp oligarchs HAVE taken over, and we at OWS have started the non violent process of taking back the peoples govt.

Put the gun away. That is the easy cowards way out. You must find the strength to protest against the oligarchs without guns.

It is the only way to overcome their power./ We are never stronger than when we gather against these elitist 1% oligarchstogether with only the truth.

No weapon can defeat the truth. The power of the (non violent) people, is vastly greater than the people in power.

Always.

Whatta ya gonna shoot down a tank? LMFAO!

[-] 1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

This tragedy in Conn. and the potential loss of freedom and rights is apparently is nothing more then a joke to you.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Gun terminology?????

TWENTY 6 and 7 year olds!!!!

12 girls, 8 boys.

6 brave female teachers who gave their lives to save their students from the result of an irresponsible gun owner.

I'm not hiding behind children. I'm right here in from of your sorry selfish heartless ass, standing up FOR children. YOU are hiding FROM children as you speak up for the cowards who need guns to prove their manhood.

YOU are hiding from the brave women who stood up to the MAN who slaughtered those much more powerful teachers.

For you to ignore these facts but choose pedantic reference to the gun terminology is truly inhuman.

For you to speak up for the profits of gun makers instead of the lives of human beings simply shows you and your position as one of NO HONOR!

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Forget about gunowners!!

How can you think/talk aboul gunowners and stay silent about the 20 innocent children slaughtered because of an irresponsible gun owner,

Do you have no compassion for the woman (teachers) who threw themselves in from of an AR 15 to save children?

Get your priorities straight! Put aside your politics, and certainly forget about the profits of gun makers.

[-] 1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

Who had the "machine gun"??

You sound like your hiding behind the children.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're the joke!

A little more concern for gun victims & a little less for gun owners.

[-] 0 points by outlawtumor (-162) 1 year ago

Lawful gun owners ARE the next victim in this tragedy. And you are playing the perp very well.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

The reply button is out from the post above. I believe that this is the only reason that I can't respond to it.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok. Maybe it was nothing. Just a ghost in the machine, gremlins & such.

I give 1 upvote so maybe I put you up to 11000 even. Wooo hooo!

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Holy shit. It's the Hitler card. You do realize that the first eugenic laws were passed in the United States, right? 1907 and Hitler was jealous.

[-] 0 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

u do realize once disarmed hitler killed over 10million ppl!?!

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Once you disarm the people by removing their ability of independent thought and replace it with the propaganda of fear and deception, it doesn't matter how many guns you own.

Judging by the last election where just two parties received 98.5% of the vote, we are already completely disarmed of our most important weapon.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Exactly. That propaganda had been floating since at least the 1880s-actually much, much longer but, for all intensive purposes and specifically for the Holocaust was utilized since the 1880s in that geographical location.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

What a crock of shit. Nice try though.

[-] -1 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Lmao are u serious???? Are u saying this isn't true?!

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (10986) 22 minutes ago Pop Quiz: What are the three types of resistance that were demonstrated during the Holocaust?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Pop Quiz: What are the three types of resistance that were demonstrated during the Holocaust?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

So, here is what we have established: you don't know what the hell happened but, you're pretty damn sure that it was all about disarming. Good to know. You are free to go crawl back under your rock now.

[-] 1 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Typical blind American....

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by Dontbackdown (9) 4 minutes ago And ur ignorant if u can't see that were slowly but surely losing our freedom and rights.... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


The only ignorance here is yours.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by Dontbackdown (9) 2 minutes ago Sorry u just failed with that one.... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


Pop quiz: How many German Jews left Germany and then returned because they considered themselves Germans first?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It seems like one of your comments above has disappeared, but perhaps that is because the comment aboce and below has been removed? IDK.

Are you able to receive & respond this?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I'm telling you that you are taking it out of context to suit your current desires and you have failed.

[-] 0 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

And ur ignorant if u can't see that were slowly but surely losing our freedom and rights....

[-] -1 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Sorry u just failed with that one....

[-] -3 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

girlfriday is a lib/dem shill,.....you mght as well be talking to hillary.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I'm a liberal, bitches. My foot is on your neck.

[-] -2 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

Well put sir....

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You're really, really hung up on ass. This isn't good.

It seems to keep you from answering a simple question.

Would you like to try again?

[-] 0 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

isn't rule #4 four don't comment if you think the thread sucks?

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

These are idiotic at best.

[-] -1 points by RJHobbs (-58) 1 year ago

Ehh... silly.

[-] -1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

In stead of kvetching here - which makes YOU feel better -


there are 26 angels begging you to DO SOMETHING -
conact your congressman -


http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
just enter your zip code


DEMAND new gun control laws
strict penalties
license all owners
register all guns
background checks
liability insurance

[-] 0 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

why don't you do something in addition to the congressman thing?

[-] 0 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

thanks, i already did that and i agree with his ideas. what exactly are you doing by kvetching at me?

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[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

ZD - I do not advocate taking anyones gun's - . “MY” gun control law ………….. ver 2.0

my concept is SIMPLY based on seeing a similarity between cars & guns.

If you want to argue that we don’t have a constitutional right to own a car –
and we have a right to bear arms, frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.
You do not have a legal right to bear a tank or a bazooka or an automatic machine gun.

Consider these two cases:

  1. you leave your locked car parked on the street – some one steals it, hot wires it and uses it to murder someone – are YOU legally responsible ?
  2. you leave your unlocked car parked on the street – with keys in the ignition – some one steals it, and uses it to murder someone – are YOU legally responsible for your negligence?

Here is my proposal for a NATIONAL gun law:

All procedure fees will be priced to be very profitable
All present guns and owners will be covered by these laws
.......................................................and - no - this plan will not SOLVE all gun problems


►1► all gun owners must be licensed and tested with all guns that they own and pass a written test

if you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car – you are tested in each
written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws being forced to know the law - via the test - means the police know who you are - and you may be less likely to commit a crime

►2► every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance & be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used .

insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like $1,000,000 ]
you must prove your car insurance
annual back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns
every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock

►3► as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

the owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief

►4► every gun must be registered and tested - and sample fired bullet stored

knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it


peripherally-

if we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers
and free up police "time" for real crime investigation

penalties and fees must be very high in money & jail time – especially after the first offense

no citizens ( except dealers & real collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

fees should be higher for more guns.

Gun fees should be high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

The nra fighting against this - will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the gun companies understand that a gun owner can get paid to turn in their gun and they will be able to buy a new gun – with an INTEGRATED lock .


........................................................what do you think ?
........................................................what can we do - that CAN be done ?

▬►▬►▬►▬►▬►▬►▬►,,,,,,,,WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN & SENATORS !!!!!!! ……………………………………………………… http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/


This should wake up America to the truth about
guns

This should wake up America to the truth about
gun company profits

This should wake up America to the truth about
gun company profits buying congress

This should wake up America to the truth about
ALL CAPITALIST PROFITS BUYING CONGRESS

It is NOT just the gun money,
it is the
prison privatization money,
war money,
oil money,
drug company money,
armaments money,
bank money

government of the people, by the rich, for the corporations

we MUST disconnect capitalism from democracy

http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com

[-] 1 points by Dontbackdown (22) 1 year ago

all that is nonsense

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[-] 0 points by farminator3000 (8) 1 year ago

who said anything about taking away your guns? don't you have registration, insurance, etc. for your car?

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