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Posted 2 years ago on May 18, 2015, 2:50 a.m. EST by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR
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Time to get off your lazy-brained, BOTH-SAME brainwashed asses and put your Smug Independence where your Conned Petulance is: "Socialist" BERNIE SANDERS is running for POTUS! Time-Honored Bernie Sanders, Time to get registered and get every one you know registered.

CUZ if you don't, you're F--ked!! Again!!

If You don't Vote~You Don't Count. If WE DON'T VOTE, WE DON'T COUNT. If They don't Vote~They Count with MONEY!

GET IT? GET REGISTERED! GET OUT THE TURNOUT!!

Desperate Conservatives Break Out The Nazi References In An Attempt To Stop Bernie Sanders http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/21/desperate-conservatives-break-nazi-references-attempt-stop-bernie-sanders.html

Why Radicals Like Bernie Sanders Should Run As Democrats, Not Independents
The Left should take a page from the Tea Party’s playbook and take power from within the Democratic Party.
Senator Bernie Sanders, the socialist from Vermont, is running for president. Even more ambitiously, he told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that he wants to lead “a political revolution in this country.” And he’s doing it as a Democrat. (CONTINUED:)
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/05/15/why-radicals-bernie-sanders-should-run-democrats-not-independents

https://berniesanders.com/

Bernie Sanders: The Independent Candidate the Democratic Party Desperately Needs
Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has never been a registered Democrat, but he is exactly what the party needs to save itself. A race against Hillary Clinton in the 2016 primaries would be a tough one, but if anyone can shine a light on her pro-Wall Street, pro-wealthy, pro-big business tendencies, it’s Sanders. (CONTINUED:)
http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2014/10/bernie-sanders-the-independent-candidate-the-democratic-party-desperately-needs/

Watch Bernie Sanders Explain In 30 Seconds Why Elites Love Voter Apathy
Low voter turnout almost always benefits the wealthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oW3Z_-C078

If everyone voted, progressives would win

The best way to create a progressive America is voting reform
March 17, 2015 2:00AM ET
by Sean McElwee @SeanMcElwee

In preparation for the 2016 presidential election, Democrats appear united around one candidate, while the Republican contest remains far from secured. Many on the left, who view Hillary Clinton’s stances as a tame brand of liberalism, have attempted to draft Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., to run. But the progressives do not need a charismatic leader. Instead, they need to invest in unleashing the disgruntled progressive majority. A longer-term strategy for progressives should be to strengthen unions and boost turnout among politically marginalized populations.
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http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/3/progressives-need-to-stop-looking-for-a-hero.html

6 Ways Bernie Sanders Will Challenge Hillary Clinton
Sanders has said he intends to challenge the wealthy who have gained power in the country. “Are we prepared to take on the enormous economic and political power of the billionaire class, or do we continue to slide into economic and political oligarchy?” he said on his website.

Though he isn’t likely to win the party’s nomination — he currently trails Clinton by 55.1 percentage points in polls — his presence in the campaign field will shift the debate left on a number of issues, from the economy to the environment. Here are a few ways Sanders could shape Clinton’s campaign:
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/04/30/3652790/bernie-sanders-announcement/

Bernie Sanders: Cutting Taxes for the Rich While Slashing Social Programs Is Insane
Vermont's Senator Bernie Sanders, author of the new book, The Speech, appeared on The Daily Show last night to explain why he delivered an eight and a half hour "filibuster" on the Senate floor last year. "We have a middle class, which in many cases is collapsing," says Sanders, and the 400 wealthiest individuals in the country own more wealth than the bottom 150 million. "It's insane to think the only way to move toward a balanced budget is by slashing college Pell grants" and making devastating cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs. "And at the same time," Sanders concludes, "our Republican friends say, we're going to do all these terrible things to the most vulnerable Americans, but you know what? We're not going to ask billionaires to pay a nickel more in taxes."
http://www.thenation.com/video/160263/bernie-sanders-cutting-taxes-rich-while-slashing-social-programs-insane

Can Bernie Sanders Break Through the Status Quo?
He may have already done it, with his unapologetic defense of social democracy and assaults on the “billionaire class.”
Bernie Sanders is running a very different campaign for the presidency than Americans have come to expect from Democratic contenders. The first sign of that came when Sanders appeared on ABC’s This Week the Sunday after he announced his candidacy. The Vermont senator had just explained his democratic socialism by reminding host George Stephanopoulos that in the social-democratic countries of Scandinavia, “by and large, government works for ordinary people in the middle class rather than, as is the case right now in our country, for the billionaire class.”

“I can hear the Republican attack ad right now,” Stephanopoulos interrupted: “‘He wants America to look more like Scandinavia.’ ”

“That’s right,” Sanders replied without blinking. “What’s wrong with that? What’s wrong when [they] have more income and wealth equality? What’s wrong when they have a stronger middle class, in many ways, than we do; a higher minimum wage than we do; and they’re stronger on the environment than we [are]? Look, the fact of the matter is that we do a lot in our country, which is good, but we can learn from other countries. We have, George, the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country on earth at the same time as we’re seeing a proliferation of millionaires and billionaires. Frankly, I don’t think that’s sustainable. I don’t think that’s what America is about.”
http://www.thenation.com/article/206521/bernies-race

Bernie Sanders Turns The Tables On The Republican Plan To Cut Financial Aid For Students
In contrast to the Republican plan to cut financial aid and make college more expensive for students, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is set to propose legislation that would give students free tuition at four-year public colleges and universities.

The Republican budget would end mandatory funding for Pell grants, the end of the in-school subsidy on Stafford loans, and the budget would also end income-based student loan repayment programs.

Sen. Sanders is going in the opposite direction.

In a statement, Sen. Sanders said:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/17/bernie-sanders-turns-tables-republican-plan-cut-financial-aid-students.html

Bernie Sanders’ Koch Killing Movement Grows To $4 Million Raised and 100,000 Contributors
On CNN’s State Of The Union, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) announced that his presidential campaign against corporate greed, the attempted Koch hostile takeover of the government, and income inequality has now raised over $4 million from 100,000 contributors.
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http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/17/bernie-sanders-koch-killing-movement-grows-4-million-raised-100000-contributors.html

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[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

BLM get your Agent Provocateurs in check!

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I heard about the GOP debate no mention of the war

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Get registered cuz Bernie needs you

Get registered.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

How Bernie Sanders won the talk radio primary

Bernie Sanders may be a long shot for the presidency, but on liberal [& Progressive] talk radio, he’s already king.

The Vermont Independent senator has for years been a fixture on the airwaves and internet streams of left-wing political talk shows, building a national audience eager to enlist in his populist crusade against the 1%. So when Sanders declared his dark-horse presidential bid last month, the response from talk radio listeners was overwhelming — and nearly unanimous.
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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-won-the-talk-radio-primary

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Of course POTUS-BS and Treasury Sec.-RR would be a huge improvement for the domestic US 99% but are you telling me that Billary Clinton won't be Dem POTUS in 2016? Ever hear of a Trial Balloon?

Bernie will be used to motivate and mobilize voters not previously engaged and who then can later be canvassed heavily for Hillary in 2016, who will use BS so as to give her more credibility with The 99%.

Bernie Sanders ''was'' an Independent - right? Why isn't he running for POTUS as such then? Do you think that he's running under the DNC rules without their approval and what do you think that tells us?

These and others are valid questions but we won't be able to discuss these matters here until someone muzzles the self-appointed DNC guard dog around here now.Have you got any leverage with fixing that?

Finally consider: http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/18/ralph_nader_on_bernie_sanders_presidential for insights into the need for a ''Progressive Caucus'' and how to counter co-option by The Corporations.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You mean like OWS was used by the 1% to make people think we were addressing wealth inequality while the rich got richer?

Look if change is gonna happen people got to get off their asses and make it happen, whether or not if Bernie wins may depend on if Chris Hedges gets off his dead ass and decides to do something besides throw stones, it may depend on Dr. West and if he wishes to be part of the movement or continue to criticize the lack of progress, and it may depend on the Greens if finally will they stop their efforts to elect the GOP.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You mean like OWS was used by the 1% to make people think we were addressing wealth inequality while the rich got richer?

Look if change is gonna happen people got to get off their asses and make it happen, whether or not if Bernie wins may depend on if Chris Hedges gets off his dead ass and decides to do something besides throw stones, it may depend on Dr. West and if he wishes to be part of the movement or continue to criticize the lack of progress, and it may depend on the Greens if finally will they stop their efforts to elect the GOP.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Perhaps you should consider and maybe even meditate upon what you yourself wrote here -

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/ and then perhaps graduate to

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30936-the-left-matters-now-more-than-ever - Good Luck.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

raising the MW to $15/hr is real, it would make a difference in millions of lives and boost the economy tremendously in order to do that we must defeat the GOP everywhere in large numbers, that's a fact, and the soonest it can be enacted is Jan 2018 if we can force the candidates to commit to enacting an immediate raise first thing, the power that was OWS could easily do that, if it would make a choice and act, but so many are more concerned with themselves more concerned about their own dreams of power than doing something, so I fear we will not act and the 1% will win again.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Fyi https://15now.org/ now has many OWS activists in the ranks, supporting and organising, including http://kshamasawant.org/ - who has had to struggle against Democraps in Seattle! Re. the rest of your mumble see http://occupywallst.org/forum/study-debunks-myth-of-doctors-fleeing-medicare/#comment-1064612 & ask yourself how Bernie has enthused so many voDers? Because the DNC sold them out!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

your support of the GOP does us no good

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

"Movement Builders Should Listen to Bernie Sanders: Focus on Mass Action, Not Candidates''by Kate Aronoff: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30978-movement-builders-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders-focus-on-mass-action-not-candidates The ''us'' you refer to, is of course followers of ''Corporate Wonky-Donkey" .. as opposed to ''Corporate Smelly-Elephant''. Maybe the ''us'' that should animate you is the ''us'' that's The 99% +byTH http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/32102-who-does-our-economy-serve ?

Re. Dynastic Oligarchy also do try to consider later .. ''What the 1% Don't Want You to Know'' by Bill Moyers, with Paul Krugman talking about Thomas Piketty's now famous ''Capital in the 21st Century'' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0 .. Bill Moyers is a time served warrior for The 99%!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It matters not what you read, if in the end you allow the GOP to win.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Oh No! Not Again! See http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/#comment-1064931 - but more importantly ..... http://occupywallst.org/forum/trump-this/#comment-1064536 Furthermore, perhaps you could gain from re-reading this short exchange from above once again.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Your so funny you post all this stuff about how important it is to vote, then pose no position on how one should vote, as if voting and allowing the GOP to win was somehow acceptable.

I'm sure you tire of the message imagine how those bankers must of felt back in 2011.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

It would be totallly obvious to even a blinded illiterate, that I am highlighting GOP Voter Suppression but advocate voting as only one strategy for The 99% and that people should vote as left as possible but all you have, as usual, is your ''Vote Corporate Donkey'' instead of 'Corporate Elephant' panacea! Also see: http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/#comment-1065313 - Good luck with that.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Vote in such a way as to kill the GOP and change the world, you can name call all you want but it doesn't change the fact that at the core of it you are a republican apologist suggesting they are not much worst than the Dems. Anything less than an all out effort to defeat the GOP is just stupid as shit and you would know that if you ever paid the least bit of attention to a damn thing.

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Blind hatred is your problem, or just stupid maybe hard to tell, either way the 1% and the GOP thank you for your support.

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[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

liberal (adj.) Look up liberal at Dictionary.com

mid-14c., "generous," also, late 14c., "selfless; noble, nobly born; abundant," and, early 15c., in a bad sense "extravagant, unrestrained," from Old French liberal "befitting free men, noble, generous, willing, zealous" (12c.), from Latin liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," literally "of freedom, pertaining to or befitting a free man," from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious," from PIE leudh-ero-, probably originally "belonging to the people" (though the precise semantic development is obscure; compare frank (adj.)), and a suffixed form of the base leudh- "people" (cognates: Old Church Slavonic ljudu, Lithuanian liaudis, Old English leod, German Leute "nation, people;" Old High German liut "person, people").

With the meaning "free from restraint in speech or action," liberal was used 16c.-17c. as a term of reproach. It revived in a positive sense in the Enlightenment, with a meaning "free from prejudice, tolerant," which emerged 1776-88.

In reference to education, explained by Fowler as "the education designed for a gentleman (Latin liber a free man) & ... opposed on the one hand to technical or professional or any special training, & on the other to education that stops short before manhood is reached" (see liberal arts). Purely in reference to political opinion, "tending in favor of freedom and democracy" it dates from c. 1801, from French libéral, originally applied in English by its opponents (often in French form and with suggestions of foreign lawlessness) to the party favorable to individual political freedoms. But also (especially in U.S. politics) tending to mean "favorable to government action to effect social change," which seems at times to draw more from the religious sense of "free from prejudice in favor of traditional opinions and established institutions" (and thus open to new ideas and plans of reform), which dates from 1823.

Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. [Ambrose Bierce, "Devil's Dictionary," 1911]

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=liberal

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Nice but I don't consider myself a ''liberal'' in any sense other than as a ''a social liberal''. Consider Chris Hedges - http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/once_again_--_death_of_the_liberal_class_20121112 and perhaps also frf's forum-post: http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/ - the title of which speaks for itself, even IF frf back-tracks in his thread replies, lol. Hillary Clinton by the way, would actually be considered a RWNJ (Right Wing Nut Job) Conservative in most of the world & that speaks to just how far to The Right the ''Centre'' of US Politics really is. OWS tries to help be part of a cure to that. Finally Matt, try to consider http://thischangeseverything.org/ re Naomi Klein's latest book/documentary.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

NO one can say Bernie's a "BOTH-SAMER," that RepubliCon Meme will have to stay with the other candidates.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

There's more than one road to similar destinations and several points along the way. Activism, agitating, communicating, educating, organising, sharing, voting etc. Etc. ETc. ETC.! Voting Dem and expecting anything from Dem POTUS Billary Clinton ... is exactly what The 1% Dem Pols want from their "base" but you are right, Bernie Sanders is The Most different POTUS candidate from US 99% p-o-v, for years.

I get that like others here, that you are all long term Democratic Party voters and of course there is no shame in that (because wtf else would you have done?) - BUT why have some folded themselves into the mindset and persona of Dem Party Pols & what do we actually think that OWS is really all about?

Of course ''Rethuglicans'' are unconscionable psychopaths - we know this and they are beyond the pale but the USA's Duopolistic System does not need or want Democraps to be exactly the same - as it just needs them To Be NOT Different Enough to maintain The Illusion of Choice so that The Banker, Oligarch and Corporate Tyranny and Imperialist System - can just continue unchecked, unrealised and unseen.

The American people have been ''Good Cop / Bad Copped'' for generations. FDR'd now be considered a Pinko and JFK was probably the last Dem POTUS who had The 99% at heart but - Obomber and Billary are NOT of that ilk.

Furthermore, a couple of links for you... http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/social-justice-begins-at-the-grassroots-not-with-coverage-of-the-2016-presidential-campaign + also .. http://www.leftforum.org/

Finally,do please consider: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30978-movement-builders-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders-focus-on-mass-action-not-candidates - and perhaps also consider ... http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30936-the-left-matters-now-more-than-ever - These great articles are very important right now and going forward and I sincerely recommend them to you and all who read here.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

There's more than one road to similar destinations and several points along the way. Activism, agitating, communicating, educating, organising, sharing, voting etc. Etc. ETc. ETC.!

Truth.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

In the light of the above, please also read and consider the insights and implications of this item -

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_i_support_the_bds_movement_against_israel_20150726

by long time & ardent OWS supporter, who is a universalist when it comes to Freedom & Justice.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

You are right, no one can say that. Bernie rolls to his own beat for the most part. I don't agree with everything he promotes, but who does?

I do, however, respect that he does roll to his own beat for the most part.

That being said, once again, you all are going to get a nice does of reality as this primary plays out.

Remember: Your votes are meaningless to the DNC/RNC. They will report the polls as they see fit, which creates a perception that then becomes reality.

Once that is done, simply announce the votes as deem needed. Its all electronic at this point, no one really has any clue as to what is going on on election day, specifically for the Federal Elections.

We are all so busy its not like we have the ability to actually tally up the voters ourselves in a per state basis to double check them.

So as long as the results somewhat mirror what the nonsense polls are saying, no one really questions it. (fyi the polls can be swayed via media as well. If the media starts calling Bernie un-electable, he will be, because the idiots will just roll with that).

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

"Movement Builders Should Listen to Bernie Sanders: Focus on Mass Action, Not Candidates'' by Kate Aronoff: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30978-movement-builders-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders-focus-on-mass-action-not-candidates - in compliment of your reply above. + Solidarity to you and yours.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

 The Problem With Hillary Clinton Isn’t Just Her Corporate Cash. It’s Her Corporate Worldview. Clinton is uniquely unsuited to the epic task of confronting the fossil-fuel companies that profit from climate change. By Naomi Klein April 6, 2016 http://www.thenation.com/article/the-problem-with-hillary-clinton-isnt-just-her-corporate-cash-its-her-corporate-worldview/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The Problem With Hillary Clinton

(cont) HRC is just as toxic 4 t people t country & environment as is tRump & Ted Crud & t whole GOP ! https://twitter.com/DKAtoday/status/722201923856830464

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I hope you all listened to me, I know the Trumps didn't. But I hope all the sane people did!

But if you FUCKED UP and flaked, maybe you can pull it together to get others to VOTE BERNIE SANDERS!!! HURRY! Get gas! Get Food! Get Water! Get Condoms! Whatever it takes! GOTV!!

Martin Luther King, Jr. was also opposed to the idea of gradualism as a method of eliminating segregation or inequalities. The Establishment wanted to integrate Black-Americans and White-Americans slowly into the same society, but MLK and supporters believed it was a way for the government to put off actually doing anything about racial segregation or any reform:

"This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy." –Martin Luther King Jr.'s I Have a Dream speech, delivered August 28, 1963 at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC

Have you forgotten? Establishment, DLC, 3rd Way, New Dems HOPE TO HELL YOU HAVE: Relax, slow down, stop the clock, we can address all your concerns in due time. What's your hurry?

How about this: Why don't all you Do Nothing, 1% Status Quo HRC supporters take a break, give it a rest, and carry on with DLC, 3rd Way, New Dem, Corporate Prostitution after the election. And let the rest of the 99% country Repair and Restore itself after 35 miserable years of 1% Raygun Revolution Regression!?!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2697) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago Bernie is too real for MSM. We need to flesh that vacuum out for Real Politics! Get Registered to Vote before your state's Primary Registration DEADLINE! YES, Non or New Voters, there are deadlines to Registration to VOTE! If Bernie Sanders doesn't win the Primary Election, then Donald Trump will be POTUS for 8 FUCKING YEARS!!!! Get busy ASSHOLES and get Registered and VOTE!!! [-] 0 points by WSmith (2697) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago Hate to see another rolling GOP witch-hunt on another Clinton and we should ram this Benghazi-Email-(whatever comes next) down their treasonous 1%-RepubliCon throats and reveal them to all as the unscrupulous lying embezzling saboteurs that they always are. BUT for POTUS in this building political sea-change, Hillary is far too establishment, too focused-grouped, too corporate-funded for the MAJORITY of disenchanted American People who don't Vote anymore! And if by chance she won would have absolutely NO COATTAILS! Bernie Sanders is asking the American People to Unite and make their oppressed voices heard so we can upset the Status-Quo and depart from Business-as-Usual and Win for the 99% People for a change! Bernie Sanders has huge Coattails and his supporters would Vote the Down Ballot and regain at least the Senate and possibly the House too. And because of Bernie Sanders undeniable INTEGRITY, many RepubliCons fave him over the same old Phony Politicians. Join the Bernie Sanders REVOLUTION and Register and Vote in the Primary! Don't listen to the AGENTS of STATUS-QUO!! Run JOE RUN!! Split the Hillary Vote! REGISTER TO VOTE IN THE PRIMARY!!!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Sanders-Grayson 2016!!!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Bernie is not accepting Big Money donors

Bernie is not engaging in negative politics (although he has already received plenty).

Bernie is Pro-Union!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It would be amazing if Bernie wins, I saw him say he would pick Reich for Treasury.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Not a pie in the sky, with RW propaganda implanting the "Both-Same" meme as the greatest common "wisdom," 70+% of potential Voters forfeiting their rights to Participate ~ in our hard-won Democracy ~ given a choice of conventional Con or Dem politics, a pure unconventional populist with impeccable 99% credentials and history should be a shoe-in. Now, the question is, what will MSM do about (or to) him? Because despite the indie/alternative/off-the-grid claims of "savvy" Non-Voters, everything they know and believe comes through 1% ~ Heritage, ALEC, Rove, Luntz ~ MSM. Wonder what our reliable False-Flag ("True Revolutionary") complainers will have to say about Bernie? Probably memorizing new orders as we type! Let me guess: "Bernie's a SellOut, he finally revealed his true identity as a DemoCrap!"

[-] 4 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I am so confident someone like Bernie will not be allowed to win the dem ticket, I have stated that I would break my vow to never vote for a R or D again and vote for him. I would also vote for Elizabeth Warren.

Please don't try to explain later when Hilary is the candidate that I should still vote for her. I already know how this works and will vote 3rd party.

There is a plan that will attempt to assure that the 1% keep control. Is that surprising? You would do the same thing, probably, if you were in their shoes. They will discuss crumbs for the masses, there are plenty of documented examples. Saudi Arabia was so afraid of the Arab Spring, they paid their citizens to prevent it from happening.

If Bernie were on the ticket, even though others have pointed out things in his record that I wasn't aware of, the media would have to "jump the shark" to produce the show. His words would be popular with the masses and he would win. I don't believe they will allow that to happen.

[-] 2 points by gsw (3024) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

He, Bernie's got a very tough road, because he's against a Clinton, with a lot of financial backing, and though he may not win, if a majority of us can get enough people to listen to his ideas, and register, and vote, there is an outside chance his ideas may prevail at a future date.

So our job may well be to register the underclass, and take it as our personal mission, to undertake this step, to regain our democracy, through building a popular movement, now that we have some sort of a potential figurehead, spokesperson, de facto leader, representative of the little guy on Main Street. This makes it of utmost important for many to groundswell and support his "outside the prescribed box" ideas and thinking, as he is an experienced spokesperson, with some inside, leadership, senate background and experience.

We, the "peons" and serfs of modern noncapitalism, should see where his vision can help to lead and inspire an underclass uprising, as he is clear in his speaking against many corrupt practice that necessitates common sense reform

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I am so cynical now that not only am I certain he won't be taken seriously, I wonder what the plan may be. Will they show polls from the very beginning and during his entire campaign that very few agree with Him? It would be a powerful setback for the country to believe because of polls that his point of view is only held by a few left wing nut jobs. Again, just cynical speculation.

[-] 0 points by gsw (3024) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Yes, we are all realists now. I think the journalists may want to promote a fight for candidacy to president, and if we could somehow get involved, like him on facebook, volunteer for his campaign, help spread his ideas, also, we need to get people to vote,despite the feeling of futility, similar to sports events, the results may not matter, but in this case, I think the results will matter, so I recommend everyone call the sanders campaign and volunteer, if they have any time, not to phone call, but to visit their neighbors, and spread the good words of hope and sanity, and of choice in our destiny. How long does it take to ring doorbells.

While you are doing this, consider to run yourselves, in the next state election, that comes up, in your state houses, which will need voices of sanity too. We must now "do for our country" and grandchildren, to give them a chance for a decent existence, with planet not too out of whack from crapitalsitic values, and climate change which may cause mass die off of fish, and other catastrophes, which scientists have been warning us,

[-] 1 points by gsw (3024) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Let us not be too pessimistic of where his messaging can take us, to the next levels of understanding, and legitimacy of allowing other viewpoints and thoughts in the arena of publiic debate

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

OH, SPARE US YOUR CROCODILE TEARS!

Bernie has what all the Both-Samers "claim" they wanted, Elizabeth Warren is an inexperienced academic. Hillary, should she win the primary, is WORLDS better than any of the 1%-Cultists of the GOP.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

any action or non action that allows the GOP to win is stupid

if enough people get involved no one will be able to stop Bernie

https://berniesanders.com/

https://www.youtube.com/user/SenatorSanders

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6629) from Phoenix, AZ 3 hours ago

any action or non action that allows the GOP to win is stupid

if enough people get involved no one will be able to stop Bernie

https://berniesanders.com/

https://www.youtube.com/user/SenatorSanders

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Right on both counts.

Money does not vote.

People vote.

Money can be defeated - it has happened before and it can happen again - and in a major and ongoing manner - if - the people get involved.

That is why Bernie is attacked so vehemently - he keeps pointing to the things that need fixing the things that the people need to undertake to unite to change. He is a major threat to the 1%er power control.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Stay tuned at 5:00 today the campanian gets underway.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Whats-up at 5:00 ?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Bernie made it official he made his announcement.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well I am watching the local news right now - figures = no mention.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Of course there is no mention, are you new to this system?

You really think the DNC is gonna give Bernie Sanders any love?

Look at what they did to Obama. The brightest hope in decades, totally crumpled to a shell of a man.

You need to wake the fuck up dude, your fairy tale is just that... a myth.

Imagine if Bernie ran on his own, started his own thing. Like Occupy did. And look at the turnout.

But nope, so here we go.

When the DNC is done sticking up your ass and down Alan's throat on the other end, maybe you two will stop slobbering at the feet of the millionaires club.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

tweet -

berniesanders.com/ But remember - one is not enough - put others with him into local state & federal government = For the "people"

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1173) 47 minutes ago

I am so confident someone like Bernie will not be allowed to win the dem ticket, I have stated that I would break my vow to never vote for a R or D again and vote for him. I would also vote for Elizabeth Warren.

Please don't try to explain later when Hilary is the candidate that I should still vote for her. I already know how this works and will vote 3rd party.

There is a plan that will attempt to assure that the 1% keep control. Is that surprising? You would do the same thing, probably, if you were in their shoes. They will discuss crumbs for the masses, there are plenty of documented examples. Saudi Arabia was so afraid of the Arab Spring, they paid their citizens to prevent it from happening.

If Bernie were on the ticket, even though others have pointed out things in his record that I wasn't aware of, the media would have to "jump the shark" to produce the show. His words would be popular with the masses and he would win. I don't believe they will allow that to happen.

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He very well might not win - especially if you and your buddies persist with the opt out BS.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

i hope they put on a good show and allow socialist ideas to circulate, OWS was allowed to have some good press for a short time. They managed wonderful theatre with the repub candidates, allowing several front runners to gain support. Bachman won the Iowa caucus, Cain had some time, Gingrich was allowed time, Santorum was leading later before Romney. It was a brilliant show in 2012, maybe Bernie will be included this time. Elections are to the media, as Christmas is to retailers.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1173) 2 minutes ago

i hope they put on a good show and allow socialist ideas to circulate, OWS was allowed to have some good press for a short time. They managed wonderful theatre with the repub candidates, allowing several front runners to gain support. Bachman won the Iowa caucus, Cain had some time, Gingrich was allowed time, Santorum was leading later before Romney. It was a brilliant show in 2012, maybe Bernie will be included this time. Elections are to the media, as Christmas is to retailers.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Glad you enjoyed the GOP rethuglican circus =

"They managed wonderful theatre with the repub candidates, allowing several front runners to gain support. Bachman won the Iowa caucus, Cain had some time, Gingrich was allowed time, Santorum was leading later before Romney"

But I don't see what the rethuglican circus would have to do with Bernie.

Elections are to the media, as Christmas is to retailers.

Yep the corp(se)oRAT MSM loves political spending. More so than retailers have enjoyed Christmas in recent years - political spending by the corp(se)oRAT pacs is way up while consumer shopping is way down.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I don't think it is a rethuglican circus, I think it is a circus both parties endorse. The media is an important part of the circus, consisting of both parties.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1173) 1 minute ago

I don't think it is a rethuglican circus, I think it is a circus both parties endorse. The media is an important part of the circus, consisting of both parties.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Those you named were all rethuglican - so yeah I remarked on your enjoying the rethuglican circus.

As for the media? Never forget that the MSM is corp(se)oRAT owned and operated.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Thats because one party was the incumbent.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 minute ago

Thats because one party was the incumbent.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

That really makes no sense - as to the comment I had answered.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1170) 6 minutes ago

Would you please ask DK to allow OWS to post their opinions on this forum? He has resorted to extreme lows and I have lost confidence in him as a respectable human being.

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When you and your stinkle/tinkle team opt out buddies don't play your stinkle team games and do not promote opting out BS - your comments seem to appear just fine.

But - OH NOooooooos - when you do your stinkle team thang - gosh golly and geeeze - it seems that your comments (not removed) get a translational "key" attached to them as a public warning.

Sucks to be an opt-out "promoting" stinkle teamer - Hey?

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

It sucks for sure to have the type of forum we've had here recently because of you. Whatever else you said must come from some dream you are having.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1173) 0 minutes ago

It sucks for sure to have the type of forum we've had here recently because of you. Whatever else you said must come from some dream you are having.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Recently? Hell this site has had no traffic for months and months. Because of the stinkle team bullying tactics that finally got the sign-up page shutdown.

So sad to see that the stinkle/tinkle team can't take what they themselves have dished out for years. It's more than a little hypocritical - don't ya think?

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 2 years ago

That's not entirely true, DK.

When folks were appealing to jart to re-open the sign-up page and inquiring as to why she closed it...I remember her response. What I can't remember is where she posted it. Whether she posted it here, or on another site where she publicly expresses her opinions...I remember her explicitly saying that she closed the sign-up page, mainly because she was tired of people using the forum to promote the DNC.

If I'm wrong about that, I'll be happy to retract my statement, but, I'm quite sure she said it.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 3 minutes ago

Justine has been clear on her views on the idiotic Dem vs Rep nonsense since day.

That intolerance for that garbage was the main reason Occupy resonated so much.

And the main reason it had to be shut down.

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Prove it stinkle/tinkle teamer - prove it.

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[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 2 years ago

Nice! Jart's quote from underneath her yt clip...

~"Liberal belief politics and the mainstream political theater are all just a giant trap designed to waste your time and prevent you from having impact. It's a social control mechanism that allows a certain percentage of the population to express themselves as political creatures, in a way that doesn't disrupt the administration of the country."~

Published on Feb 4, 2014

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Disruption is key, I don't care what industry you are in. Politics, real estate, etc.

If you can't disrupt, then those with all the market share will remain in control.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

That just sounds like Tyranny to me and a place where such things are frowned upon would be -

http://www.leftforum.org/ where many Original Occupiers will be in attendance. Solidarity to you.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by Renneye (4034) 6 minutes ago

Nice! Jart's quote from underneath her yt clip...

~"Liberal belief politics and the mainstream political theater are all just a giant trap designed to waste your time and prevent you from having impact. It's a social control mechanism that allows a certain percentage of the population to express themselves as political creatures, in a way that doesn't disrupt the administration of the country."~

Published on Feb 4, 2014

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Nice ? Really ?

So just exactly WHAT do you have in mind that the public should do?

No don't point to jarts comment and say there. Let jart defend her position in making that comment if she wants to.

Lets here what you have to say for yourself.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 2 years ago

The issue was, proof of how jart felt about the co-option of this forum by tried-and-failed political parties. But, okay, I can switch gears.

'A People's Society', which I and many others have talked about here several times...along with other ideas.

Pie in the sky, or not...it doesn't matter. ALL new ideas started from a kernal of thought at some point. Not that representative-free governance 'By the People, For the People' is a new idea. It has been practiced and experimented with in certain populations all over the world. It can be used again and improved upon, exponentially. Much more is available now, idea-wise and technology-wise than ever before.

If everyone is 'busy' playing into the theater of politics...how will we EVER accomplish a new system that nurtures love, health, safety for our world's people?

We need to "Turn Our Backs" on the system, to established government, to the Oligarchs.

'Demoex' has it's roots in such a system...and is showing potential.

But...that's not even the point. Let's switch gears again.

The point I'd like to make...is that you are not the judge and jury here, DK. You can deny that you're doing that, all you want, but your actions speak a different story. That is to say, that you are behaving in a most undemocratic way, for this being a forum for revolution and change from the status-quo.

I cannot fathom why the moderator allows you to continue having temper-tantrum after temper-tantrum.

Do you know who the moderator is, DK?

I implore you to take a break. Don't leave permanently. But, just take a break from the forum and let others have a voice. Who knows what amazing ideas people might share, if they thought that they would be heard, and not ridiculed before they're even allowed to finish.

You're frustrated. I get it. But this isn't your forum to overthrow. Did jart hand the forum over to you? Is there something we should know about?

Do you agree that jart has testified publicly, Several Times, that her vision for this forum, did not include promoting the established political parties? Or, political parties, at all, for that matter?

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I appreciate a well written post, but tonight I prefer turbocharger's choice of words directly below, "Here ya go stupid".

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1223) 9 minutes ago

I appreciate a well written post, but tonight I prefer turbocharger's choice of words directly below, "Here ya go stupid".

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Aawwwwwww - and here I thought you wanted to be friends. I guess that only works if everyone agrees with your do nothing opt-out bullshit though - HuH?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by Renneye (4038) 0 minutes ago

I thought the issue was you wanting to know how jart felt about the co-option of this forum by tried-and-failed political parties. But, okay, I can switch gears.

'A People's Society', which I and many others have talked about here several times...along with other ideas.

Pie in the sky, or not...it doesn't matter. ALL new ideas started from a kernal of thought at some point. Not that representative-free governance 'By the People, For the People' is a new idea. It has been practiced and experimented with in certain populations all over the world. It can be used again and improved upon, exponentially. Much more is available now, idea-wise and technology-wise than ever before.

If everyone is 'busy' playing into the theater of politics...how will we EVER accomplish a new system that nurtures love, health, safety for our world's people?

We need to "Turn Our Backs" to the system, to established government, to the Oligarchs.

'Demoex' has it's roots in such a system...and is showing potential.

But...that's not even the point. Let's switch gears again.

The point I'd like to make...is that you are not the judge and jury here, DK. You can say that you're not doing that, all you want, but your actions speak a different story. That is to say, that you are behaving in a most undemocratic way, for this being a forum for revolution and change from the status-quo.

I cannot fathom why the moderator allows you to continue having temper-tantrum after temper-tantrum.

Do you know who the moderator is, DK?

I implore you to take a break. Don't leave permanently. But, just take a break from the forum and let others have a voice. Who knows what amazing ideas people might share, if they thought that they would be heard, and not ridiculed before they're even allowed finish.

You're frustrated. I get it. But this isn't your forum to overthrow. Did jart hand the forum over to you? Is there something we should know about?

Do you agree that jart has testified publicly, Several Times, that her vision for this forum, did not include promoting the established political parties? Or, political parties, at all, for that matter?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Let jart speak for herself on her reasoning. I can tell you that I have had conversations with her about her public comments. Those conversations are not mine to share. You want jarts reasoning for what she did -then talk to jart.

I am not promoting established political parties.

What I am promoting is that the people retake government.

That is not gonna happen by people walking away.

I think Bernie running as a dem will have a very good chance of blowing away Hillary as a candidate - I further believe that Brenie running as the dem candidate for president could destroy the rethuglican offerings.

What I am saying is - that other people could be run for office in the same manner - the framework is all there - all the people have to do is use it.

That is not supporting a political party - that "is" supporting people who will represent the people in a manner where they can compete in the system that we currently have.

PERIOD.

BTW - why is it OK with you if five or so people gang up on me for voicing my opinions but it is not OK with you if I throw it back in their face?

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I immediately notice your remark, "that is not supporting a political party", that is supporting people who will represent the people. I agree. Unlike you though, I do not believe Bernie will blow away Hillary for the dem party candidate, and you refuse to consider the possibility that is by design. Bernie should blow away Hillary for the nomination but when it doesn't happen, you don't do as you told me earlier, accept reality.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 0 minutes ago

Here ya go stupid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCfjLfitMOM

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"

As some can plainly see

We feign to support it

While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it

We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile

Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to make a difference one must opt out

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by Renneye (4029) 12 minutes ago

That's not entirely true, DK.

When folks were appealing to jart to re-open the sign-up page and inquiring as to why she closed it...I remember her response. What I can't remember is where she posted it. Whether she posted it here, or on another one where she publicly expresses her opinions...I remember her explicitly saying that she closed the sign-up page, mainly because she was tired of people using the forum to promote the DNC.

If I'm wrong about that, I'll be happy to retract my statement, but, I'm quite sure she said it.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Not in this one:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-forum-will-be-shutting-down/

Not in this one either:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/idea-list-names-of-twinklers-and-stinklers/

Not here either:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/website-optimization/

So why don't you retract that comment until you can post the link.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 2 years ago

This is what jart was quoted as saying about taking control of the OWS twitter account:

"She wrote that she locked down the Twitter account partly in order to keep it from being just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party."

from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Tunney

...and is likely what I remembered. It speaks to how Justine feels about people taking something she created for true revolution, and instead using it to promote their status-quo political party. Namely, the DNC.

So, nah...I won't be retracting my statement. Her words are in the same spirit.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1210) 2 minutes ago

Lugano posted some more direct quotes from Jart very clearly concerned about the DNC and the site. You were correct and DK deserves another slap in the face for posting incorrect info.

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20th track "(We really really really are not about Direct Democracy)"

As people could tell if only people paid attention to our activities

Lucky for us the people do not and so we can continue with our politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc etc

Lucky thing that more people don't ask us why:

"Why don't you take over government for the people from within?"

"Seeing as you don't have a national party in place to successfully run your candidates in all 50 states - WHY don't you run your candidates as dems and reps?"

Well we would just have to say (and we do) that the people can't be successful that way. Better we say - if we all stay away - and just protest for government to get better.

We really do not want people to consider a possible winner by doing things like Bernie Sanders and run as a dem for a real chance to win - and have "more" people running on the issues where they can legitimately destroy their opponents in office or also running for office - by pointing out past voting records showing non support for the people - even showing active attacks on the people - or even calling on them to declare a public stance.

Gosh that would ruin our whole "public self defeating" circular do nothing opt out and just protest logic.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1210) 4 minutes ago

i should remain as backup because i never learned to harmonize. How in the hell can DK be banned from this site? He won't get out of the way. Watch the video turbocharger posted and consider whether you have the capacity to even help at all.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Again - I should get out of the way of WHAT exactly.

You already just said that you have nothing but your opinion that the public should just lie down and be screwed.

You got something else you want me to get out of the way of?

If it's anything like what you have put forward so far (opt out do nothing and get screwed) - then - HELL NO I WON'T GO !!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

You probably have nowhere to go.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1223) 0 minutes ago

You probably have nowhere to go.

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There "is" only this one planet that we are living on.

Here enjoy some good fun about crumbling infrastructure;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/15/1383149/-Why-do-Republicans-really-oppose-infrastructure-spending

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 minutes ago

Some people will never be able to get past the propaganda :(

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21st track "(All we have is rhetoric)"

We hope that that is enough to get you to agree to do nothing.

OH - but we don't mind if while taking no action to take control of government in a legal manner - that you go out and legally protest how shitty things are and get beaten up and arrested (illegally) by the cops.

If you protest often enough while taking no political action to take control of government - we fully expect that martial law could be called down upon you.

But HEY - that's OK with Us - because we are all about supporting the 1%er status-quo. How better can we protect that then by getting you all to do nothing in the political arena in your state or for your federal representation.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Too bad she left out the GOP in her reasoning (statement).

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

It's always been sad that something I've been proud to be a part of as a movement of historical proportions to not have a respectful forum. I realize it's impossible because of the capabilities of computers and one person can become, and therefore speak with more than one voice. Someone like you who I have spent many hours with is not my friend, and that saddens me. It is a different world from the sixties but I don't forget those days.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1173) 3 minutes ago

It's always been sad that something I've been proud to be a part of as a movement of historical proportions to not have a respectful forum. I realize it's impossible because of the capabilities of computers and one person can become, and therefore speak with more than one voice. Someone like you who I have spent many hours with is not my friend, and that saddens me. It is a different world from the sixties but I don't forget those days.

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I don't need to be your friend or need you to be mine - in order to discuss reality.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I want to be friends with everyone, especially those I spend time with.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1173) 0 minutes ago

I want to be friends with everyone, especially those I spend time with.

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That's fine. Just not likely.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I absolutely believe Bernie can win the whole thing.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

And if most people in Occupy bought into your belief, then when he lost, our struggle would be on life support, and you would have us vote for the lesser of the two evils...AGAIN, right? He's a Democrat, and an Independent or Socialist in name only. He is no Eugene Debs, no matter how many pictures of him that he hangs on his walls.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You are a ego whore that don't give a crap about the 99% you only care about building your political party you don't give a damn about America you care only for your own power, you are worst than the worst of the 1%.

What we can do is crush the GOP and completely wipe them from power we can do that, and if we do everything changes, why do you think the media keeps telling us we can't, just like you and the media keep telling us Bernie can't win.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Considering all the good people on here who catch your assinine, nasty wrath too, I would be worried if I didn't as well. Note; I added another 's' to that word for you.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

your support of the GOP is also noted

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (463) from Mineola, NY 10 minutes ago

And if most people in Occupy bought into your belief, then when he lost, our struggle would be on life support, and you would have us vote for the lesser of the two evils...AGAIN, right? He's a Democrat, and an Independent or Socialist in name only. He is no Eugene Debs, no matter how many pictures of him that he hangs on his walls.

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6th track: (We are not for the people)

On taking legal action - We so stink - that some might think - that we are quietly buying up fertilizer and plumbing supplies - truth of the matter is - we are just about keeping the public from taking action - cause we are all about supporting the status quo.

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[-] -1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

STINKLE #20 for DK... For conflating "taking action" with voting for one of the two corrupted party candidates, and for thinking that he is a rebel who doesn't support the "status quo," for doing so... That's really f...ing twisted, but hilarious.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (463) from Mineola, NY 9 minutes ago

STINKLE #20 for DK... For conflating "taking action" with voting for one of the two corrupted party candidates, and for thinking that he is a rebel who doesn't support the "status quo," for doing so... That's really ....ing twisted, but hilarious.

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17th track "(We will endlessly argue meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic)"

We will endlessly argue meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic

We get that from the rethuglicans.

We will tell you that we have something good.

But when asked what that is - we can't formulate a straight answer.

So we will go back to arguing a meaningless self defeating circular logic.

Like:

Don't vote because that won't help - just protest instead because that will make everything better all by itself.

And if you don't accept that and refute it - we will gang-up on you and stinkle team you relentlessly - because that proves that we are right and you are wrong. It goes hand in hand with our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic.

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

they have begun their attacks, but anybody can go here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/SenatorSanders

and see for themself

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Bernie has a deep Progressive Liberal Democratic Socialist History (YEA), and Vermont (THAT BASTION OF RADICALS) has loved and reelected him REPEATEDLY!

20 Big Ideas From Bernie Sanders to Reverse Inequality, Expand Safety Nets and Stop America's Plutocrats
Sanders outlines his platform in a major hometown speech.
By Steven Rosenfeld / AlterNet
May 27, 2015
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-big-ideas-bernie-sanders-reverse-inequality-expand-safety-nets-and-stop-americas

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

we will now see who wants change and who wants power from the posts they put up about Bernie

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Good one - now expect to be relentlessly attacked by the do nothing mutts infesting this site.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Where are they? NO Where!

They're in Trump training camps!!! Cons and NEO Cons.

So we have to get EVERYBODY with a Heartbeat REGISTERED to Vote

VOTE if you care

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

get REGISTERED or U don't Count!

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

like the 19 airstrikes the US made today or the 17 yesterday

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Like the thousands who didn't Vote in individual districts because they thought/duped it would make no difference who won POTUS in 2000 ~ which could have saved MILLIONS from Death, Homelessness, and Loss ~ beyond our lifespan. ASSHOLE!