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Forum Post: OK - People of the northeastern U.S. Wake the $&@#% up!!! - this $&@%#* fracking thing has gotten way out of hand. I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!!!

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 10, 2012, 1:40 a.m. EST by therising (6643)
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Fracking. Google wiki fracking environmental concerns.

Man - this is serious. This has crossed some line in the sand for me. This has gone from underhanded to blatant. This fracking thing is so damn bad and evil and outrageous that if you put it in a draft of storyline of novel, you're editor would say "too unrealistic".

What the #%^*&&$ are you people thinking in Pennsylvania and New York??? The people who actually own the land the frackers use get a little money. They can buy brand new trucks and put an addition on the house maybe. It's no windfall by any means. And the taxpayers get a pittance if anything. Jobs are created but most are people from outside your area. You can sell them hot dogs and groceries and beer but that ain't gonna make up for your water being poisoned. So hardly any reward personally or for taxpayers. No upside really.

Huge downside with your grandkids growing FLIPPERS and fire coming out of your FAUCETS. . Yet for industry, huge upside.

Usually the evil and corruption is more hidden. This time it's right out in the open. The governors in some cases are coming right out and saying they're for fracking! They're being blatantly bankrolled by corporations and their lobbyists that benefit from this. This is cartoon-like.

And yet the people of the northeast for the most part are just shrugging their shoulders when they should be marching in the streets. People - this is your damn water supply. Your kids drink this!!! The fracking process has caused EARTHQUAKES in places that never had themfor crying out loud (numerous respected scientists have confirmed this).

What the $&@$&@ is it going to take for citizens to wake the $@@&&% up and take to the streets????? I mean, REALLY!!!! This is absurd. This is becoming a cartoon of a country rather than an actual country.

I want to see people running to the window like in the movie "Network" shouting: "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I mean, look at this people!!!! Look at what this is doing to you. Look at the quality of the sources of research. MIT. Columbia University. Duke University. Look at this Wikipedia layout of the environmental factors. Then run to your window, open it and start shouting: "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!!!". For crying out loud, your governors are getting money directly inserted into their campaigns from these huge corporations and are selling out the future of your state. Wake the $&@%€ up!!!! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hydraulic_fracturing&mobileaction=view_normal_site#Environmental_concerns

Man, if these politicians and industry folks tried to get away with this out here in a progressive town in the west, they'd be quickly experiencing overwhelming response in the form of massive nonviolent protest at the doorstep of their offices. Why you folks in the northeast are rolling over for this is beyond me. Don't you care about your kids and grand kids?

I feel like we humans have crossed some line here where our instinct for survival isn't kicking in. Need to perform CPR or use defibrillator or something.....some form of nonviolent direct action to stir the souls of this generation for the benefit of those that will follow.

Please see excellent documentary "GASLAND" to learn what we can do about this.

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[-] 7 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

If you live in the Northeast, pay close attention. Here are the top 5 gas / oil companies that are going to be making a fortune off your state while poisoning your drinking water, causing earthquakes and ruining your land: Exxon, HALLIBURTON, BP, Chevron, Baker Hughes. http://seekingalpha.com/article/320538-5-stocks-set-to-benefit-from-the-fracking-boom

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Hi therising, Have been contacting our representatives, about getting fracking under regulation. Let's get this fight going. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I'm in. Game on.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Excellent.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Let's roll.

[-] 2 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

hehe

[-] 3 points by Reneye (118) 2 years ago

The Big Fracking Bubble: The Scam Behind the Gas Boom. It’s not only toxic – it’s driven by a right-wing billionaire who profits more from flipping land than drilling for gas.

Aubrey McClendon, America’s second-largest producer of natural gas, has never been afraid of a fight. He has become a billionaire by directing his company, Chesapeake Energy, to blast apart gas-soaked rocks a mile underground and pump the fuel to the surface. “We’re the biggest frackers in the world,” he declares proudly over a $400 bottle of French Bordeaux at a restaurant he co-owns in his hometown of Oklahoma City. “We frack all the time. What’s the big deal?”

McClendon dominates America’s supply of natural gas the same way the Tea Party-financing Koch brothers control the nation’s pipelines and refineries. Like them, McClendon is an influential right-wing power broker – he helped fund the Swift Boat attacks against John Kerry in 2004, donated $250,000 to the presidential campaign of Rick Perry, and contributed more than $500,000 to stop gay marriage. But unlike his fellow energy czars, McClendon knows how to tone down his politics and present a friendlier, less ideological face to the public. He secretly gave $26 million to the Sierra Club to fight Big Coal, and built a Google-like campus for Chesapeake’s 4,600 employees in Oklahoma City, complete with a 63,000-square-foot day care center, a luxurious gym and four cafes manned by cook-to-order chefs. He even voted for Barack Obama because he thought the country needed “an inspirational figure.”…..

He sips his Bordeaux; his own private wine cellar once boasted more than 10,000 bottles. It’s a good riff, with some truth to it. But what McClendon leaves out is the real nature of the business he’s in. Fracking, it turns out, is about producing cheap energy the same way the mortgage crisis was about helping realize the dreams of middle-class homeowners. For Chesapeake, the primary profit in fracking comes not from selling the gas itself, but from buying and flipping the land that contains the gas. The company is now the largest leaseholder in the United States, owning the drilling rights to some 15 million acres – an area more than twice the size of Maryland. McClendon has financed this land grab with junk bonds and complex partnerships and future production deals, creating a highly leveraged, deeply indebted company that has more in common with Enron than ExxonMobil. As McClendon put it in a conference call with Wall Street analysts a few years ago, “I can assure you that buying leases for x and selling them for 5x or 10x is a lot more profitable than trying to produce gas at $5 or $6 per million cubic feet.”

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-big-fracking-bubble-the-scam-behind-the-gas-boom-20120301#ixzz1oB0gr81O

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Scary. So what do we do about this?

[-] 2 points by Reneye (118) 2 years ago

There's only two reasons I'm here. One of them is E-X-P-O-S-I-N-G, by name, the .01% ruling elite...the oligarchs who think they can make decisions about the lives of everyday people. These people are the reason behind EVERYTHING that has contributed to the global crisis that we see unfolding now. The more people who see "who" is responsible for the criminality, the better. Once these lunatics see that we are aware of who they are, there will be nowhere they can hide any more. When I write posts that name these people, I get attacked. That is a sure sign that the oligarchs are scared of being personally identified and also being protected on this site.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Good Post

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I agree. You're cause is noble and worthwhile. You mentioned 2 reasons you're here. What's the 2nd reason you're here by the way?

[-] 1 points by Reneye (118) 2 years ago

Peacefulness. There are several areas here, like promoting non-violence. Also, promoting healthy alternatives to the world's people, that are in direct conflict with the markets that the ruling elite control to make money at our expense, such as suppressed energies, suppressed and false information about global environment and the solutions. Alternative currencies is another good area. I like the idea of bringing food growing to the community level so we can take care of ourselves and our neighbors as well. We've blindly allowed the oligarchs to monopolise every area of our lives, with the faith and belief that they have our best interests at heart. Nothing could be farther from the truth. We need to take the responsibility back and take care of ourselves so no-one will ever have us over a barrel again. These are just a few things. This area is HUGE. What I don't understand, is why people don't see just HOW MUCH MONEY could be made by doing it the healthy way. The jobs are endless...we just need to get the desire back to take care of ourselves and our communities and our resources. As it stands, our resources are being sold off to the highest bidder and will be controlled into oblivion. Paul Hawken is one of my favorite healthy business activists, he is world renowned and knows how it should be done. "Blessed Unrest" is his latest project.

Here is the kind of thing I'm talking about;

Seattle to Build Nation’s First Food Forest;

http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/02/21/its-not-fairytale-seattle-build-nations-first-food-forest

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Fantastic. I think you're right on target. And I especially agree on this: "What I don't understand, is why people don't see just HOW MUCH MONEY could be made by doing it the healthy way. The jobs are endless...we just need to get the desire back to take care of ourselves and our communities and our resources."

[-] 0 points by airplaneradio (50) 2 years ago

And that there are hit men players on here who talk the Occupy talk but are workers for the elite.

[-] 1 points by Reneye (118) 2 years ago

Amen..not that I'm religious or anything. I have a pretty good idea for who they are, but for obvious reasons can't put it out there. We just have to keep fighting the good fight. Eventually the infiltrators and subverters inadvertantly expose themselves when their arguments become silly in the face of the facts.

[-] 5 points by freakyfriday (179) 2 years ago

I saw a headline the other day about the govt working on some rules to require that these folks disclose the chemicals they are pumping into the ground as a part of the process. That raised my eyebrows. NO ONE KNOWS what they are doing????? I would have thought couldn't be legal, but I was wrong. Saw a pbs thing a long time ago about what it did to folks out west. Til the Ohio earthquake caused by fracking, had no idea it was going on out east. It's a serious issue, but not something ows will embrace, I am sure. People need to be aware of this and write their politicians.

[-] 3 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

Government forcing fracking chemicals to be disclosed may not help much if people do not realize what they can do. Antifreeze's main ingredient, ethylene glycol, is metabolized to oxalate which combines with calcium to give people KIDNEY FAILURE over the long term. Methanol, a.k.a. wood alcohol, is toxic to retina and can make people BLIND. When people's children and grandchildren need to go on dialysis or become blind, will they remember where THAT could have come from? There are safer alternatives but corporations would rather maximize their profits. The idea is that over the long term with low-enough level of exposure, nobody would be able to establish the causal link of blindness and kidney failures. Besides, if lawsuits were filed, they could be settled out of court with no admission of guilt (to keep the wrap on culpability) or they would be fought against with corporate fundings enough to dissuade the claimants from continuing the lawsuits. All of this presumes that someone would actually figure this out and take action which is a big IF. Even if the lawsuits came to trial, there would be almost no chance that after decades anyone could prove the cases beyond reasonable doubts or have a preponderance of evidence.

[-] 3 points by Denofearth (41) 2 years ago

safer chemicals isn't the only concern. When oil and natural gas are forced out of the rock ( which has been fractured ) what stops it from getting into the aquifer and contaminating drinking water? Even if they were using Evian to frack with wouldn't stop all contamination.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

Very true indeed. Oil and gas companies should have the common sense not to frack near aquifers. Strict environmental laws that require them to buy up all homeowners' properties affected by fracking contamination at pre-fracking market prices plus a stiff penalty can deter potential bad behaviors. As long as we do not get off of oil and gas, we will continue to have the associated contamination. The only thing that I have come across that is nearly contamination free is to concentrate sunlight to produce electricity. Sunlight is available widely in the world, especially in the POORER parts near the equator. It is VERY powerful if you compute the power that is available in it. The trick is really how to concentrate it and improve conversion efficiency to electricity.

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

We should do something about this.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

Yes, how about replacing ethylene glycol and methanol by ethanol to begin with?

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Please explain why this is important.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

Read the label on the antifreeze solution that you put into your car - ethylene glycol is listed as a major ingredient. There is also a warning note about not having pets lick spills of antifreeze on the driveway because they can die from that. The reason is that ethylene glycol when metabolized in the body creates oxalate that combines with the ubiquitous calcium in the body to form insoluble grains that cause kidney failure. People have been murdered by their spouses with antifreeze-laced drinks. Methanol is cheap relative to ethanol but methanol can cause blindness through its effect on the retinas in the eyes. Alcoholics running out of money were known to drink methanol (a.k.a. wood alcohol) to get drunk because it is chemically similar to ethanol (a.k.a. grain alcohol) and can get people drunk just as well. Ethanol is more expensive but does not damage the retinas as methanol does. Excessive consumption of ethanol can lead to liver damage and eventually cirrhosis but I do not think that leakage into drinking water will ever reach that high a level.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I can't believe they're letting Halliburton, Exxon, Chesapeake Energy and the rest frack prior to the facts being in on the dangers. Who do the elected representatives work for?.....

[-] 2 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

Nominally for us, actually for themselves. The old idea of public service is now very much out of fashion in political circles. It is partly our own fault due to our inattention and failure to inculcate in our youngsters that serving the public through politics can be an honorable calling. We tended to be tweaked emotionally by some unethical corporations through the media and political entities to behave in ways that serve their interests, not ours. The really sad thing is how emotional some people would be advocating against their own interests and defending some elites' nefarious ways.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Exactly. The book "What's the matter with Kansas" chronicles this phenomenon. Sad and incredible.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

The elected representatives work for the monied interests and corporations that pay for their elections - R's & D's are both guilty !!

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I agree but R's are MUCH MUCH MUCH worse.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Since both sides take their money from the same people; I contend that their objectives are aligned. Why would one side represent their donors, and the other side not? The side that didn't, wouldn't get much money, would they? But both sides do. Neither party represents the people. Actions speak louder that words. They're just playing good cop, bad cop for our entertainment. It also perpetuates our division that weakens us.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

R or D makes a huge difference on Supreme Court decisions....

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

I understand what you're saying ..... and it's true, but I can't continue to do the same thing over & over (voting for D's) and expect a different result. They've shown their hand through NDAA, bush tax cuts extensions, continuation of the bush doctrine (kill them before they kill us), 30,000 drones over US; perpetuating wars, the murdering of American citizens because the president labeled them as terrorists without being charged or tried in court, hacking up our civil rights, etc. ........................

It will be 3rd party or write-in for me. I have to live with myself after the vote. I'm still beating myself up for contributing to (for the first time) and voting for Barry.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I understand your point. I really do. And I'm not saying voting for D's will solve problem. Only that it will give us a little bit easier time to mop up the giant mess.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Jus' Sayin' ...........................................

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result” ~ Albert Einstein ~

I've been waiting since the 70's for the D's to help out the middle class - and it's driving me insane! It really pissed me off when the D's had the house, senate and WH; and still extended the bush tax cuts for 2 more yrs. Cheers

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Yup. Well, it's now time for them to represent the people's interest.

[-] 2 points by timirninja (263) 2 years ago

why dont the scientist replace those chemicals with organic formula with similar properties? some corn starch or something??? Fracking is not the only way for gas extraction.

[-] 2 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

I just re-read your post because Nevada1 replied to me. Those chemicals are ALREADY considered "organic" substances in scientific circles, in the same category as corn starch. "Organic" is a bad terminology because I can see that much confusion in our discourses is due to terminologies that mean DIFFERENT things in different CONTEXTS. It is NO wonder that we are still fighting battles over evolution, abortion, God, etc. I just hope that more people have their feet in various camps (scientific, legal, political, philosophical, etc.) so that we can stop much confusion. Fracking is not the only way for gas extraction but it opens up new gas supplies, some in sensitive areas for human health.

[-] 2 points by timirninja (263) 2 years ago

im not really pay attention to terminology, but to directions where the topic point could be shifted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_chemistry

[-] 2 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

I am in favor of replacing ethylene glycol and methanol with ethanol. Ethanol which we are already producing in abundance for car fuels can work as an antifreeze and is not toxic to retina. The worst effect of its leaking into drinking water in small quantities is that some people may get a little bit high. In fact, those homes with ethanol-enhanced drinking water can become attractive to winos. Many other materials can also serve as antifreeze, too.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

My statement IS psychedelic in intention. Imitation wine can certainly break through to your house if given a chance because fracking is not a very well-controlled process. Who can really predict where the shale rocks will break up? Look at the bright side and enjoy the freebies if they show up. Those people in your video seem very blissful and content. Do we not all want to end up like that, especially with neighbors lusting for the fracking dollars?

[-] 1 points by timirninja (263) 2 years ago

life is dangerous, life is real. The elimination of BP catastrophe was artificially postponed which brought us what we had seen. But what matters is political side. No drilling in ocean and New executive director of British Petroleum since then is american. Nuces are Bad, MK. Whatever men. im gona post it anyway . http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-SA7sD4A25c#!

[-] 2 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

The scientists work for the financial and management types who know how to increase the next-quarter's profits through many different ways such as using CHEAPER fracking chemicals and financial shell games that strictly speaking are NOT ILLEGAL but if viewed from the social-good perspective is extremely questionable because they are sometimes carried out to the nth degree and the ill effects explode into the public domain. It is somewhat like using steroids for bulging up the financial statements. There are countries headed by scientists or engineers which can get things done better without as many "unintended" blowouts because financial statements SIMULATE reality but are NOT reality but scientists or engineers tend to deal with the real world where fudging data or playing tricks (unless they are in the soft social realm) often fail. Worst countries are those headed by people of "faith" who can BELIEVE in falsehoods even under the preponderance of evidence or beyond reasonable doubts.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Hi grapes, Thank you for post. Many Love Canals in the making. Petition http://signon.org/sign/repeal-the-halliburton

Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 5 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Here's an article I found on recent legislation that just apparently passed in PA. Absurd that the people in that state haven't marched on the statehouse and surrounded it. This was a bill WRITTEN BY INDUSTRY. http://www.pennfuture.org/media_pr_detail.aspx?MediaID=1410&Home=Y

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Dammit New Yorkers and Pennsylvanians..... What the $&@#%^. Are you doing letting industry write the laws to protect you. Your fathers an grandfathers fished these streams. Your children play in them and drink from this watershed. And you're going to let Exxon, Halliburton, Baker Hughes Chesapeake Energy and others tell you all is well when they're pull profits out and leaving you with nothing but destruction. In the part of the country I'm from, we'd NEVER let corporations decide what's best for our kids and grand kids and their kids. What the hell is wrong with you people. Why are you letting 100 lawyers for 5 oil and gas companies decide the fate of future generations. When are you letting the fox guard the henhouse.

Dammit people, wake the f$&@ up!!!!

[-] 4 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

I've chimed in with my thoughts on this issue in other threads in this forum, so I'll not bore anyone with redundancy. Just suffice to say that this method of natural gas extraction needs to be stopped.

There are a multitude of sites on this subject. Here are two.

This, from the publication "Scientific American"

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fracking-for-natural-gas-pollutes-water-wells

This, from Climate.org

http://climate.org/climatelab/Hydrofracturing

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Great comment and links

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Hey, here's another link to a site that I was just reading at the 8020vision

http://8020vision.com/2011/04/17/congress-releases-report-on-toxic-chemicals-used-in-fracking/

[-] 4 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Huge downside with your grandkids growing FLIPPERS and fire coming out of your FAUCETS. . .LoL, I have to laugh, but therising isn't making this up. It's serious abuse to line the pockets of a few.

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I am seriously pissed off. What the hell is wrong with these people who continue to drill when the impact is unknown and likely terrible. It's time for New Yorkers, Pennsylvanians and Americans in general to rise up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. WE'VE HAD IT. WE'RE NOT TAKING THIS SHIT ANYMORE!

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I wish I were more of an activist. As it stands I'm able to sign petitions, donate at times, and call my representative's phone secretaries. But If you're really that angry give people links to petitions or green groups. My contribution today will be the White House comment line: 202 456-1111

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Cool. Thanks for pushing. I need to do more research and you're right...this needs links to groups that are already set up and have the might to have serious impact.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I guess the bill passed the House, so the ball is in the Senate's court. Will the Dem's table it? Maybe we should be calling our Senators.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Agree

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I know I've signed at least one petition on this.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Any links you could provide would be much appreciated.

[-] 4 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It shocks me that people in the northeast are allowing their state legislatures to get away with poisoning their own rivers, lakes, streams and wells while at the same time getting little or no revenue for their state or individuals. Instead, huge oil companies pollute the ground and leave the state or country with the profits.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous things people have allowed to happen to them in the U.S. in a long long time. A real travesty.

In some western towns, the politicians involved in a ruse like this would have experienced numerous nonviolent protests at the doorsteps of their offices. They would have felt the nonviolent power of the people who care about their kids and their grand kids and their state.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

sacrificed for oil huh

the government should at least be managing the spill over on the environment

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Why aren't they? Why aren't the people demanding they do so???

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the corps control the politicians

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Yeah but why aren't the people instinctually rising up against this to protect their children and grandchildren? Has humanity lost its survival instinct?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

tough question

er greed is a survival instinct so not entirely (a squirrel will gather nuts for the winter

since most of our generations lived in tribes, we are having trouble adjusting to bigger forms of government

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I hear you. And I think the fact that Americans watch an average of 4 hours of TV a day or more probably plays a serious role here. I just had it in my head that underneath all that there would be a survival mechanism / bullshit detector that would kick in and make human beings FEEL LIKE PUSHING BACK........... nonviolently.

[-] 1 points by Meethook (72) 2 years ago

Fear of not having. It's a funny thing. Doesn't even have to be justified, just someone saying it could happen and you would be amazed. Tragic isn't it?

[-] 3 points by rickMoss (435) 2 years ago

We have many problems like this that will eventually kill this country if we don't find a better way to fight back.

"WAKE UP PEOPLE!” - JOIN THE REVOLUTION There is a better way to fight back. Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org ) – “entirely”

How else can I say this? "We Are Free!" http://WeAreFree.osixs.org "Spread the News"

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

I'm with you!! The only way to overcome the oligarchs is to return power to the people through a Direct Democracy. Inaction of the people, over time, has allowed this mess to perpetuate; and inaction today will ensure our destruction.

“If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.” ~Thomas Jefferson~

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Congress exempted frackers in 2005 from regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act. This exemption must be reversed. If fracking is safe as the frackers say, then they should not have a problem with again being under regulation of the Safe Drinking Water Act.

Everyone should see Gas Land.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Right on!

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[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

New petition on Sierra Club site.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Good time to bring this post back to top.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Hi Nevada - Catching up on old mail - Have we gotten anywhere on this fracking thing in the last 6 - 12 months or have we lost ground ?

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi therising,

Probably works both ways. Frackers worked in secret for so long, and built up much momentum. Likely, many more wells have been drilled & fracked. It is all about getting momentum up against fracking, with spreading of awareness. And yes, awareness is growing.

Vermont banned fracking. Quebec banned fracking. Key battle ground is NY, as we wait for Cuomo's decision. Movements against fracking growing in many states and other countries. Many are angry about frackers preparing to sell LNG overseas (so much for US energy independence, sustainable resource and lower energy bills---just poisoned land & water/'Sacrafice Zones').

We must keep the pressure up and spread the truth.

http://www.letsbanfracking.org/index.html

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Quebec+government+hints+long+term+fracking/7274086/story.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/us/vermont-fracking/index.html

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Thanks for the update. Much appreciated. Gotta keep that pressure dialed up. Will check out the links tonight.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In compliment to Nevada - see - http://nofracking.com/

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Thanks for the link.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Packed full of information.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In compliment to Nevada - see - http://nofracking.com/

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Good evening DKA,

Love that link.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is pretty awesome init? There has been a lot of traffic on this subject. Have you tried putting frack or fracking into the search box?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Will do that.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Scuse - thought I was replying to therising - you are already up to speed my man. {:-])

OOOps - re do.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

{:-])

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

lol - got me.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Please see foodandwaterwatch.org

Petitions directed at fracking and other water/food issues.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Very cool. Thanks!!

[-] 2 points by rickMoss (435) 2 years ago

Welcome to the real world. This is how predatory capitalism works. The real problem is that most people won't do anything until it's punching them in the face and then it's too late. That's the problem with our whole country. too many people are sleeping. We need a new vision for American and a plan to make it happen.

"WAKE UP PEOPLE!” - JOIN THE REVOLUTION Protesting is not enough. There is a better way to fight back. Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org ) – “entirely”

FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM (Or we will continue to fail!)

How else can I say this? "We Are Free!" http://WeAreFree.osixs.org "Spread the News"

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Hi rick, Good post. Best Regards

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Well said!!!

[-] 2 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago
[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

We must stop fracking. Dick Cheney helped start it. We need to shut it down.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

If you haven't seen the documentary film GASLAND, please do. Please.

[-] 2 points by freehorseman (267) from Miles City, Mt 2 years ago

Used to own stock in Baker Hughes. At that time was known as hughes tool.Did well by it. Very good company back when .Was able to buy my first gas guzzler because of them.Think I paid around seventy cents a gallon at Exxon.Glad I was young then.Must suck to be young now knowing that the world is S-it and you can't do much for it.Most people don't give a good crap what happens as long as they can watch biggest loser.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I completely disagree. There is a lot we can do about it and most people care. That's the beauty of the Occupy movement; millions of people who care are growing more and more connected and that connection can't be broken now. Nothing is so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

[-] 1 points by freehorseman (267) from Miles City, Mt 2 years ago

Ok.GO get em

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Thanks for the encouragement.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Good post, good thread. Everyone should see this.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Thanks for helping to spread the word.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Petitions http://signon.org/sign/repeal-the-halliburton

keeptapwatersafe.org/tag/anti-fracking-petition/

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Out west, we have our own issues but we would never allow industry to blatantly pollute our communities and states and then get little or no revenue. Why should Halliburton and Exxon walk away with profits after ruining environment for us and our kids? We're talking about safe drinking water and earthquakes here folks.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

mining pollutes the surface above it

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

1 points by MattLHolck (4769) 0 minutes ago

mining pollutes the surface above it ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink

And the water around it - above and below ground polluting the aqua-fir truly spreads the poison far and wide. Depending on the type of mining it also pollutes the air and so the land and surface water further away.

[-] 2 points by Nicolas (258) from Québec, QC 2 years ago

Agreement. We have to get on this. Financial solvancy (especially for a sovereign nation) is a silly, petty and inconsequential concern in comparison to the long-term destruction of the ressources essential to human life. Our grand-kids might think their old men were somewhat irresponsible rapscallions if we leave them burdened with debt. They will curse and swear off our names if we leave them with no fucking drinking water.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

That is so damn true!!!

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20418) 2 years ago

The blind nationalism of Americans makes it very difficult for the majority of them to think their government would ever allow anything like this to happen. They think they are the most beloved and protected citizens on earth when this is just not the case. Also, this hasn't been in the mainstream media very much. Thanks for shedding light on it here, therising, something needs to be done, fast.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Totally agree. I don't know why I have such a visceral reaction to this when I don't even live there. I suppose I just feel like we humans have crossed some line here where our instinct for survival isn't kicking in. Need to perform CPR or use defibrillator or something.....some form of nonviolent direct action to stir the souls of this generation for the benefit of those that will follow.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20418) 2 years ago

I know what you mean. It's like humanity has completely lost its way. I was reading somewhere about how some businesspeople are arguing for the privatization of water. There's money to be made there, you know, and that is all that matters to them. Can you believe that? What kind of deleterious effects to mankind would the commoditization of the water supply have? Good grief.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It's time we draw the line and push back with nonviolent direct action. It's going to be a beautiful spring, not just for humanity but also the environment.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Hi beautiful, Recently saw an article about big corporations quietly buying up water rights around the world (strangle hold). Will search for article. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20418) 2 years ago

Thanks. I'd be interested, if you can find it.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Water as a commodity.

That started with the bottled water craze. and That started in Europe due to unsafe public water.

The bottled water was quickly pushed here to familiarize the public with the idea of safe bottled drinking water rather than ensuring the safety and purity of public water.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20418) 2 years ago

True. I never thought of it that way.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Softening up the market.

Imagine importing bottled water from a place they can't drink their own public water supply.

[-] 2 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

I read that a large fraction (perhaps up to 40%) of bottled water sold in the U.S. came from New York City tap water. When that IS polluted with fracking fluids from upstate, we will all see how long that market will persist. Perhaps people who have been buying bottled water did not really know or care where that water came from. Currently contamination of the drinking water of New York City is legal for fracking fluids because in 2005 the regulation of the water's contamination by fracking fluids was exempted from EPA's jurisdiction under the Safe Drinking Water Act.

I am also surprised that Mexico is a top consumer country of bottled water. Why is that? Can they drink their own public water supply? If not, is it because their government cannot supply clean or sufficient water? Bottled water is more expensive than gasoline here in the U.S. Is that the reason why Mexicans stay poor, having to buy expensive bottled water to survive with little left over for everything else?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

In Europe it is pollution that makes their water unsafe.

In South America it is micro-organisms living in the water, that need to be killed before you can drink it.

[-] 2 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

We drink water right out of our taps here in the U.S. Do you mean that in South America and perhaps Mexico, the governments or water utilities cannot achieve disinfection of the drinking water to the same cleanliness level, perhaps through chlorination?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I don't know what their deal is. Perhaps they are too distracted by corruption and their drug war. But yes they should be able to have public water treatment.

[-] 2 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

I surely count having drinking water right out of my taps as my blessing for living in the U.S. I want to keep it that way. I hate to pay for drinking water near gasoline prices, not to mention the inconvenience. Unfortunately, we may be moving to be more like South America or Mexico and Europe. How sad!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Only if we let it happen. Education of the population is happening. It is not happening by MSM but by grassroots efforts on the internet and elsewhere. More people are becoming involved in one way or another. This must continue. Advocate for a better world, advocate to take positive and peaceful action. The battle against corruption/greed grows.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2629) 2 years ago

Yes, indeed.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Tar sand mining. Take action.

http://act.credoaction.com/r/?r=5532374&id=35139-4904244-wFRefhx&t=7

Tell Prime Minister Harper: Stop Canada's planned wolf killings Dear Dan,

It just gets worse and worse.

To make up for the fact that rapid tar sands oil mining is threatening caribou herds by destroying vast swaths of forest habitat in Alberta, the Canadian government has called for killing thousands of wolves.1

Tell Prime Minister Harper: Stop Canada's planned tar sands wolf killings! Click here to automatically sign the petition.

If Alberta Canada's tar sands oil fields are fully developed, an area of boreal rainforest the size of Florida will be eviscerated, leaving in its wake giant ponds of toxic wastewater.2

It's obvious why this would pose a massive threat to all wildlife species who reside there, including birds, wolves, woodland caribou and the iconic spirit bear.

But instead of preserving the habitat caribou need for their survival, the Canadian government's answer is to blaze ahead with tar sands oil extraction, and kill thousands of wolves who would naturally prey on the caribou. A paper released this week by the National Wildlife Federation reports that The Ministry of the Environment's plan calls for aerial shooting, and poisoning with bait laced with strychnine — a particularly painful type of poison.

Tell Prime Minister Harper: Stop Canada's planned wolf killings! Preserve caribou habitat, and stop the irresponsible tar sands mining which threatens all of us. Click here to automatically sign the petition.

This plan to kill wolves is a misguided, cruel response that does nothing to alleviate the greater problem: tar sands oil extraction is a huge threat to wildlife, local communities, and all of our futures.

But despite the clear negative consequences, the Canadian government continues working to rapidly expand tar sands production and sales, including promoting the Keystone XL Pipeline to export tar sands oil all over the world.

Understandably, this has begun to earn Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and many in the country's government, a negative reputation to which they are becoming increasingly sensitive.3

The Ministry of the Environment has not yet begun this planned wolf kill. With enough public pressure, we can get them to abandon the plan, and build the case for Canada to stop their devastating race to expand tar sands oil development.

Click below to automatically sign the petition: http://act.credoaction.com/r/?r=5532375&id=35139-4904244-wFRefhx&t=10

Thank you for fighting tar sands and all their devastation.

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"Tar Sands Development to Lead to Poisoning of Wolves," National Wildlife Federation, February 6, 2012
"Tar Sands," Friends of the Earth
"Monitoring plan would bolster oilsands image, federal documents show," Vancouver Sun, February 3, 2012
[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20418) 2 years ago

It really is insanity.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is Corporitocracy at work around the world.

Coming to a neighborhood near you.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

If you step back a moment you will see that reality is almost always weirder than fiction. That is the problem with most modern fiction. It doesn't reflect reality.

Just an aside.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I agree wholeheartedly. I suppose the corollary here is "the bigger the lie, the more people believe it." The defense of the lie is "Are you serious? You're saying something this big is false? It's here weight is used as evidence for its truth. The big lie. Man is it big.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

You understood my meaning completely. Fiction as an art form, in order to remain relevent, has to keep up with the nature of the times, and the times have become so beastial that in order to shine a light on their beastiality fiction must dig into the terrible heart of mankind, that part of us rooted in the horrible fear and terror of existance that faces the world without security, in the face of collosal uncertainty.

Fiction must discard the falicies that lay in the outdated and established norms of a stable civilization and confront the realities of a decaying civilization. It must reach into the void, to grapple with what is at the root of our collective human demons, because those demons are now in the ascendency. This takes us into uncharted waters but it is the only way that fiction, as an art, can remain relevent.

PS If you do this ( and this is all that is worth doing in fiction ) expect to self-publish. The mainstream publishers won't touch it.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Very good thread.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26719) 2 years ago

Not to worry. It's just earthquakes for fun and profit.

It's not like prices have actually dropped or anything.

http://phys.org/news/2012-04-ties-oil-gas-production-midwest.html

One more study, that says fraking causes them.

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

We are just waiting for a complete disaster before enough people wake up and realize what the hell is going on.

Do we always have to learn things the hard way?

The Puzzler

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

So, is there any way to stop the madness before it's too late?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

back to top

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Really informative thread.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

My sense is that the nation can awaken to the destruction fracking is causing and will cause if it is allowed to continue. These diggers need to be stopped. We as a nation need to put our time, money and energy into develop alternative energy sources.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Agree.

[-] 1 points by BoycottCoke (275) 2 years ago

I heard on the radio while driving in upstate NY that some communities are already rejecting this practice, also when taken to court the communities won against the oil companies. of course they are appealing the ruling, we'll see what happens. At least it is a good thing to see there is still at least one judge left with common sense.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

That's great news. Glad to hear people are beginning to get wise to the fracking scam.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Anyone here know anyone in mainstream media? Any ideas?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Important post.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Love this thread.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It's good to see people mobilize. Such an important issue.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Hi therising, Yes!

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I wish we'd devote all this energy to developing alternative energy sources.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Agree. Oil companies just want to keep fossil fuel.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

We should boycott fossil fuel. Maybe band together in a way similar to this http://occupywallst.org/forum/site-at-link-below-is-one-key-to-success-of-worldw/

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Agree. We do most of our driving with an old car that averages 35mpg, and drive as little as possible. Winter house temp. about 52F. Have some solar panels to install soon. Thinking about wind generator. Some neighbors near by off the grid, seem to be doing well. State of NV installed extensive solar system at state facilities. Big solar farm near Vegas. New Fire house nearby has large solar system. Geothermal power plants also. Technology improvements will come. We can make a difference. DKA made some good points.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Rock n roll!

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Its not just that they want to keep fossil fuel - it is that they already control it - and all they need do now is sustain it and their un-Godly profits. Much less expensive in their minds to continue on down the same road.

This greed is blind in that it does not look down the road to scarcity of resource or the destruction of the environment ( life ).

This is why we ALL need to keep the pressure for change "Intense".

We move forward - Together.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Agree.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

To a better cleaner future - we fight the good fight.

[-] 1 points by Breadwinner (33) 2 years ago

The biggest problem is it seems there is no solid evidence that any gas or toxins have entered any drinking water that can be directly linking it to fracking. All that exists is theory and guessing. Until something solid is produced, I don't think much will change.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

That's funny. Because the way you state this I thought you were going to say that they shouldn't drill giant holes in the earth and spray millions of gallons of chemicals down these holes until they know it's safe. Instead you implied that until someone can show its dangerous, it should be allowed. If that's really the way you feel then you must be legally insane or extremely high on crack. Who would run a country or community that way.

[-] 1 points by Breadwinner (33) 2 years ago

Not at all, I am only implying that nothing will be done about it by those with the power until there is proof.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I disagree. I think we the people could put a stop To this nonsense tomorrow if we rose up from our sofas....

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Good Thread

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I wish mainstream media would hit fracking hard since it affects so many millions of Americans.....

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Let's make it happen.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It's time

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Has been a media blackout. We will find a way.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

That media blackout is just amazing. Can you explain to me how that works? Is it just cultural with reporters that they don't investigate? Or is it that they get stonewalled and can't get the story? Or is it a smoke filled room thing where the editor gets a ca from a board member of some important corporation?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

If this story gets out there, it could be bigger than "Run Away Bride".

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Probably the "smoke filled room" thing. Murdoch may be a problem. With politicians being bought, maybe someone in government.

[-] 1 points by JustsumDude (4) from Apache Junction, AZ 2 years ago

Kids growing flippers? WTF?

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Yes flippers

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Hard to imagine what these chemicals in the water are going to do.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It's time for the 99% to rise up against corporate interests.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Hi therising, HR 1084 FRAC Act (in committee) would put frackers under regulation of the Safe Drinking Water Act. Please see new post: HR1084------A Fracking Issue. HR 1084 needs pressure to get it to floor.

US frackers preparing to sell frack gas overseas. End of energy independence and low cost excuse.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Got it. Will check out the link. Thank you very much!!!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

sigh

another pointless title

[-] 1 points by rickrick37841 (2) 2 years ago

plz watch this has to do with your true freedom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OfiSdaIJl4

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

This is it. This is our time to rise nonviolently.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Fracking, a crime against humanity, a crime against every living thing.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It really is over the top bad. It's shocking that people can defend it with a straight face.

[-] 1 points by lonespectator (106) 2 years ago

OWH supporters...This is all part ot the future of the Occupy movement. We now shall move closer to the gates of the White House. We are preparing for this move as a write as our lawyers are regaining our property, and freeing the few brothers and sisters that were detained. OWH is now in full swing. We now tell this President and illegal congress that they are only guests in our house and we evict them. This is our message going forward. This is the world and direction of the GA DC...Occupy the White House Now!!!

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

LOL...but seriously, this is no laughing matter!!

[-] 1 points by Spade2 (478) 2 years ago

The north east is progressive and there are demonstrations against this

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Then how the hell did these laws pass the state houses in New York and Pennsylvania without there being an enormous nonviolent protest surrounding the buildings? This is these people's drinking water for crying out loud!! This drilling is causing EARTHQUAKES!!!!! What the hell do these environmental terrorists like Exxon and Halliburton have to do to get New Yorkers and Pennsylvanians to react? How bad does it have to get people?????

[-] 1 points by Spade2 (478) 2 years ago

Good question, I do not know. I''m from the south, New Orleans to be specific, so I'm not an expert on the Northeast, but tell me, have you heard of LPG fraking?

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Nope

[-] 1 points by Spade2 (478) 2 years ago

Well, look up this company called Gasfrac, it's actually quite promising.

[-] 1 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 2 years ago
[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Amazing stuff at this link of yours. I was particularly shocked by this: " In 2005 Congress – at the behest of then Vice President Dick Cheney, a former CEO of gas driller Halliburton – exempted fracking from regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act."

I agree that  "Congress needs to close this so-called ‘Halliburton loophole’, as a bill co-sponsored by New York State Representative Maurice Hinchey would do.  The FRAC Act would also mandate public disclosure of all chemicals used in fracking across the nation.”

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The Environmental Defense Fund would like to hear from you. Can you spare a moment for a quick survey and also express yourself?


Dear Dan,

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Please take a moment to complete our short online survey, and share your thoughts with us.

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When you take the online survey, your answers will give us valuable feedback and input to help you protect the planet on every front.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

In related news: Environmental Defense Fund attempts to educate Texas.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/AGjhC/zmP7/B18Bb

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Truth - support it and remove the pressure to continue fracking.

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100086255.557671.433&gen=1&mailing_linkid=49235

Save our economy and save our world at the same time, forward green technology while reducing fossil fuels hold on us.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

New petition 2/22/2012

Petition the President.

This is part of what I told Him: ( what would you say ? )

We should not be exporting period. The complaint that we are always given about the high price of gas and natural gas and oil is that our supplies are so low. Is this not why new regions were opened to access more oil and natural gas deposits? Stop lying to us. Shut down fracking shutdown new drilling. Regulate the industry and put a cap on the prices. Tax the industry properly and put the money to work creating and implementing true green energy not bio-fuel.

From the Sierra club ( please take part ):

We need to tell President Obama that exporting dirty LNG is dangerous, environmentally destructive, and unacceptable. Sign our petition urging the president to put the brakes on LNG exports.

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=4RTsJjuLoMPhCGtObg3BwA

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I could be mistaken - But you might find this interesting.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/another-hater-asking-for-public-attention-lets-hel/

The trolls are hot about it.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

3/04/2012 - Protect us from fracking petition. Support HR 1084.

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=7674

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

This for the link

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

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[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

Thanks for the link 1 points by ClearView (43)

http://www.hopewellproject.org/ People send this link viral!!!!!!!!!!!

This is what I am talking about when I say we need to push for a new clean fuel base, to save our world and end fossil fuel dependence.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Yes! Yes! Yes!

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Take that!!! You Fraking Frakers.

[-] 0 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Exactly.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I copied off this link to Bernie Sanders and to Credo action and to Downsize as well as twittering it and Facebooking it. Sent to Sierra Club too.

http://www.hopewellproject.org/ People send this link viral!!!!!!!!!!!

Really interested to see what will come of it.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Awesome

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This could be huge. I also copied off to the Sierra Club.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Nice!!! I love when people get connected. This is how the movement gets dialed in. This is going to be a wonderful spring. :) http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/how-the-occupy-movement-can-grow-to-100-times-its-/

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Exactly! I am a firm believer in outreach to form unity support. Promote education, awareness and common cause.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Beautiful. Let's all link.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The growth of a movement.

Yes!

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

A virtuous cycle of awakening, action, unity, tension, awareness, nonviolent direct action and the feeling that comes from feeling the wind in our hair as this thing snowballs, .... The momentum rising like a high high tide to wash all the nonsense and greed away, leaving only community and truth. Let's do this....

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I'm with you.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This is the letter that I sent using https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/obey-the-constitution/ :

End Earmarks. Clean-up legislation and remove the temptation to be corrupt or to be corrupted. If legislation is good it should pass on it's own merits. Good legislation should not be used to attach bad legislation to it. Clean-up Government, the people have had enough with abuse and lip service, hence the Occupy and 99% movements among other voices beginning to speak-up. Return government to the people where it belongs.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I sent this letter to my Representative and Senators, telling them to end earmarks by following the Constitution...

From: Jim Babka President DownsizeDC.org, Inc.

https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/obey-the-constitution/

The Washington Post recently published a report on how members of Congress used earmarks to apparently benefit themselves. According to the story... (http://wapo.st/AuMfyZ)

33 members directed more than $300 million in earmarks and other public works spending near their own properties and businesses, increasing the value of their own property 16 members sent tax dollars to companies, colleges, or community programs where their spouses, children, or parents work as salaried employees or serve on boards.

But that's just a smidgeon. In 2010 there were 11,320 total earmarks worth $32 billion.

That's the equivalent of mugging my family for $300!

Is using earmarks for personal financial gain corrupt? Of course.

Is using earmarks to "bring jobs to the District" and buy votes corrupt? Definitely.

But these outcomes are to be expected, because the REAL corruption is your refusal to follow the Constitution. After all, EVERY bill with earmarks must be passed by a majority in both the House and the Senate.

If you just upheld your oath of office, we would be taxed lightly and the budget could be easily balanced. The limited, enumerated powers of Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution are there for a reason. It lists what Congress CAN do. The Tenth Amendment is also there for a reason. It says Congress CAN'T do anything except what the Constitution authorizes it to do.

I've looked in the Constitution, and I see NO delegation of power to Congress or the Executive Branch to give some communities...

bike lanes bus terminals "scenic byways" traffic circles

Are these things useful to the communities that receive them? Maybe. But if states or local communities wouldn't have built them without federal dollars, then they weren't a high priority. Where does the Constitution allow Congress to meddle in local decision-making? Why am I being required to pay for them?

Perhaps $32 billion for earmarks doesn't sound like much in an era of $4 trillion budget and $1.5 trillion deficits. But they are indicative of the larger problem. Building bike lanes for preferred constituents demonstrates that Congress that knows no restraint -- including the limitations of the Constitution.

That's why it's not surprising that Congress has...

bankrupted the nation by providing pensions and healthcare for retirees, weakened the nation with undeclared wars and foreign aid, told us what foods and drugs we are "permitted" to ingest, and authorized the President and military to kidnap anybody with the NDAA indefinite detention provisions.

None of these things were authorized by the Constitution. NDAA clearly violates it.

If Congress can't follow the Constitution on the little things like earmarks, I'm not surprised that you don't follow it on the big things.

Uphold your oath of office. Follow the Constitution. That means, don't authorize earmarks and other pork-barrel spending. Just stop the petty meddling and vote buying you're doing with my money.

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[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Dear Dan,

You did it: 781,000 emails against Keystone XL!

The Senate felt your pressure -- let's do the same thing to an even more disastrous bill in the House.

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=WXm9HlhX0e10X_mY4jkTBg

Stop the Pipeline Drilling in the Arctic, Keystone XL, and cuts to public transportation, all in the same bill. Call your Representative today. Take Action

You did it -- chalk another one up to the grassroots!

In less than 24 hours, dozens of environmental and progressive groups came together to send 500,000 emails to the Senate against the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. It worked -- Congress heard from nearly 800,000 Americans, from all 50 states.

This is huge. After feeling that grassroots pressure, the Senate has postponed the Keystone XL vote for the second time this month. But there's an even worse bill in the House of Representatives up for a vote this month -- and it's up to you to make sure the House feels the same pressure the Senate did.

H.R. 7 could be the worst environmental bill we see all year. Call your Representative today and let them know: Valentine's Day is over. No more sweetheart deals for Big Oil.

House Republicans are using crucial transportation legislation to push through not just Keystone XL but also drilling in the pristine Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, deep cuts to public transportation and safe biking and walking programs, and attacks on bedrock environmental protections.

Instead, this legislation should be about giving Americans clean transportation choices that move us beyond oil -- a dirty fuel that spills out of pipelines and wells, threatens our national security, and contributes more to climate change and smog than any other fossil fuel.

It's true that Big Oil has millions of dollars to spend lobbying the Hill. But we have 1.4 million supporters and members -- and as we've seen time and time again, when we stand together, voices can speak louder than money.

Call your Representative today and tell them: Vote no on every title in the House transportation bill.

Calling your Representative is easy. We'll give you their phone number and some basic talking points you can use at the link above. The whole process takes less than three minutes, and you can make a huge difference.

Thanks for all you do to protect our environment,

Sarah Hodgdon Sierra Club Conservation Director

P.S. After you take action, be sure to forward this alert to your friends and colleagues! Share this page on FacebookShare this page on TwitterShare this page with other services

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Right on!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Action items are getting better and better.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

They sure are :)

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I expect them too as more people become interested and involved.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

...a virtuous cycle. :)

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes. I like that.

[+] -4 points by neonknight (-21) 2 years ago

Frack you,Leftist Drama Queen.

"Don't you care about your kids and grand kids?"

Ha,that's a joke. You don't care about them,you voted for Obama who is robbing " kids and grand kids" future's. Fracking will be the least of their worries. Obama has fucked this country over so bad as to preclude our children and grand children from ever achieving the once great "American Dream".

[-] 2 points by Faithntruth (997) 2 years ago

Neonknight is a troll. Here just to call names, start arguments, belittle others ideas.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I ask why Chevron, Halliburton, Exxon and others are allowed to pollute water supply while the citizens receive hardly any benefit and you respond with whining about Obama? Why are you avoiding the question posed and putting out a red herring?

[+] -4 points by neonknight (-21) 2 years ago

Because this is ridicules. This country is heading towards becoming a Turd World debtor nation and you're pissing and moaning about exploiting our resources to someday become independent of ME oil.

We don't have the luxury of NOT Fracking,Drilling and Refining as much of our oil as possible.

This bullshit Green agenda is going to destroy any prosperity this country hopes to still generate. Obama is instrumental in accomplishing that.

You're clueless and too comfortable to understand what will happen when gas and electricity become unaffordable by the same "99%" OWS claims to care so much about.

When businesses can no longer manufacture and ship and stock groceries and the basics of everyday life.

You need to take the blinders off and look farther down the road then Fracking and see WTF this Green Mafia will lead us to.

[-] 4 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Holy cow. What a solution you've come up with from listening to AM radio! Instead of converting to a sustainable economy, you're going to insist the ship continue to steer towards the iceberg as though we have no control over the ship. And you are oddly willing to take everyone down with the ship. You're willing to trade the future health of generations of your offspring and mine in order to continue living your lifestyle as a gas guzzling consumer. Well guess what? You don't get to make that decision for the rest of us. Your willful ignorance and lack of regard for other human beings (especially in light of the fact that real and sustainable solutions exist) disqualifies you doing any steering of this ship.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

When you get a troll, it is validation that you are doing something right. The worse the troll behaves, the better your cause.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I agree

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago
[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Blind marching supporter of the greedy/corrupt - -3 points by neonknight (-21) 5 days ago

Keep digging your hole. You will not find supporters for environmental fossil fuel suicide here.

Your claims are absurd as is your attack on the development and implementation of green energy.

Truly the only missing piece to the green energy puzzle is Hydrogen fuel. Once that is in place, no one need worry about fossil fuel dependence.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

for batteries ?

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

The democrats promised "hope" and "change"

those are empty words without context

hope for what?

change what?

[-] 2 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

the problem is BOTH PARTIES!!! the dem/rep divide is just a facade to keep us in-fighting and not concentrating on the real problem which is the manipulation of all of us for the benefit of the very few.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

seems that way

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

sure as shit, dude!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Dear Dan,

http://support.edf.org/site/R?i=nXmOzbLT097_WrDS0sGjxw

Last month's record heat stunned meteorologists. It was the hottest March in U.S. history with an alarming 15,272 daily high temperature records set. Some records were shattered by 20 and even 30 degrees.

EPA Comment Counter Dan. Add your voice. Tell EPA you support limits on carbon pollution from new power plants. EPA One Click Action EPA Comments Message Tom Karl, Director of NOAA's National Climatic Data Center, described it as a "climate on steroids."

This is what climate change looks like.

It's time for our government to act -- and with one click you can deliver that message loud and clear by supporting EPA's proposed rule to limit industrial climate pollution from America's power plants.

We need to generate 100,000 comments before the comment deadline closes 60 days from today.

You can effect change and one click is all it takes today.

The EPA's proposed rule will set the first-ever climate pollution standards for our power sector and will help end dirty energy as we know it.

That's why the Dirty Air Lobby and their allies in Congress are fighting back even before the rule is finalized.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce came out against this rule and suggested it would be defeated in the courts.

And Senator James "Global Warming Is a Hoax" Inhofe (R-OK), the Senate's leading climate denier, has already pledged to fight it through Congressional action.

With your voice and support, we will stand as a united front in support of strong clean air and climate standards.

Please take action today to help us reach our 100,000 comment goal.

heather_shelby_signatureThank you for your activism and support, HeatherShelbySignature Heather Shelby Action Network Coordinator

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

4/04/2012 - sierra Club

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=pqSN_2DhohO2xd7tduipQQ

Dear Dan,

Tell President Obama to Stand Up to Natural Gas Companies and Protect Our Air!

Take Action! Take Action!

Right now, the American Petroleum Institute (API) -- an industry group only interested in their bottom line when it comes to fracking -- is waging an eleventh hour battle to weaken air pollution rules for natural gas drilling.

In this year's State of the Union, President Obama made a commitment to protect our communities from fracking pollution. EPA's proposed standards to limit air pollution from fracking are a big first step in protecting our health from the dangerous stew of pollution that fracked wells pour into our air. EPA is about to release those rules, but fracking lobbyists are pulling out all the stops to delay these safeguards and fill them with loopholes.

Tell President Obama to stand up to gas companies and their lobbyists, say no to loopholes, and put the health of our communities first!

Last year, over 156,000 activists like you took action to push for the strongest possible air pollution limits for oil and natural gas drilling, and many of you attended public hearings to make it clear this dirty business needs to clean up its act. Big Oil and Gas have taken this fight to the White House, and we need your help to remind the President what we want -- clean air.

Tell President Obama to stand up to bullying by gas companies and their lobbyists' efforts to weaken safeguards for our public health.

Air pollution from fracking dumps hundreds of thousands of tons of smog-forming chemicals, toxics, and climate-disrupting pollution into our air, and it's getting worse. In rural Wyoming, for example, pollution from natural gas fields is worse than pollution in Los Angeles on the worst air quality days. This has to stop, and EPA's safeguards are needed to begin clearing the air.

Take action to tell President Obama to clean up the dirty business of natural gas fracking.

Thanks for all that you do,

Deb Nardone Director, Natural Gas Reform Campaign Sierra Club

P.S. Please share this email with your friends and family. We need their help to beat Big Gas!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

3/26/2012 - update from Care2

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/AGhO2/zmMC/B18Bb


Hi Dan,

The House of Representatives has never, in the history of the United States, repealed and voted down so many laws that aim to help our environment. Businessweek is calling it "the most anti-environment" Congress in history.

Last year, the House's anti-environmental motions reached a total of 191 times! It's time to speak up against the anti-environment extremists in Congress who are assaulting our right to breathe clean air, drink safe water, and enjoy a healthy environment.»

Environmental degradation is directly tied to health concerns. Congress needs to know that not only are they endangering our environment, they are endangering our health and our future.

Partisan squabbles are playing politics with issues that, for us, are truly a matter of life or death. At the rate our government is rejecting environmental protections, we soon may not have the power to be able to even make such decisions--the irreversible damage will already have been done.

Tell Congress to start protecting us over special interests and stop taking away our hard-won, life-saving environmental standards!»

Thanks for taking action!

Rachel M. Care2 and ThePetitionSite Team


This is the comment I sent with my signature:

Green Tech.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

http://www.hopewellproject.org/

http://ecat.com/

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1

FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

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[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

3/24/2012 - Sierra Club on fracking & pipeline. Take part this is direct action and a part of the peoples lobby rights and method.

http://t.co/dqTtod0 - on the pipeline

http://t.co/ncebvn5 - on fracking.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Great. Will do. So good that so many are organizing!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

YES it is. More are taking part too. I love it.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

So exciting!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes it is. The awakening of a people. Makes the spirit soar.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I'm hoping more and more people around the country will write and read things like this http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-does-those-involved-in-the-occupy-movement-wa/ so they can understand what this movement is about at HEART..... I really think we need to spread the heart message as well as the detail.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This I believe would also be useful outreach/education on leaflets for handout at marches. A positive message that anyone and everyone can recognize and agree with and support. I wonder if anyone has considered the bell ringer approach of the Salvation Army, going to public places and handing-out information.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Cool idea :)

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thanks please share.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Will do :)

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Beautiful

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I think it had to happen and had to happen now. I love the fact that it is not narrowly focused either but is far reaching and all encompassing.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

This is the best shot I've seen in my lifetime to change the world in a meaningful way! If you get a chance, let's discuss over here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-does-those-involved-in-the-occupy-movement-wa/