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Forum Post: NSA Spying On All American Electronic Communications: 32 Year NSA Code Breaker Speaks Out

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 26, 2012, 11:30 a.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic (5827)
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NSA Uncahined: 1.7 billion forms of American electronic communications tracked and stored every day by the NSA. - Source ACLU

The system is explained by William Binney, 32 years in the NSA, and code breaker who resigned from the NSA in protest over the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping regime. He says that after 9/11, the methods he helped create for spying on foreign powers became pointed domestically – not toward people suspected of terrorism ties, but toward all Americans. - http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/video-nsa-whistleblower-explains-how-us-government-spying-every-single

Binney describes details about Stellar Wind, the N.S.A.’s top-secret domestic spying program. An amazing video posted on The New York Times website lays out in chilling detail how the National Security Agency is sucking up every piece of communication data in America – from phone calls to emails to cell phone location – and has the ability to tie together all of the information for a single person (watch him speak about project Stellar Wind here) - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/the-national-security-agencys-domestic-spying-program.html?_r=1

Thomas Drake, former senior executive of the U.S. National Security Agency, spoke out on ThinThread and more - http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer

Stellar Wind

Why won’t the Obama administration reveal how many Americans’ emails the NSA has collected and reviewed without a warrant? Since last year, a few members of Congress—led by democrat Senator Ron Wyden—have been trying to get the Obama administration to answer a simple question: how many Americans’ phone calls or emails have been and are being collected and read without a warrant under the authority of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (FAA)? Unfortunately, no one else in the government seems to want that question answered. - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/06/why-wont-obama-administration-reveal-how-many-americans-phone-calls-or-emails

Why did this unconstitutional Bush spy regime policy get a YEA vote in 2008 from Obama when he was a senator? Senate vote record on FAA of 2008 - 27 D nays... 22 D yeas...46 R yeas... - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2008/s168

Why does such a large percentage of the government seem to work for the Neocon agenda?

How can you dismiss the entire supreme court and overturn the citizens united vote and ban contribution based politics?

With how many people are bought into propaganda I don't see voting for real candidates happening in this country without dismissing the supreme court and overturning contribution based politics.

The majority of congress is corrupt to the tooth and the majority of people will vote to re-elect so many of them. Both presidential "options" as people like to call them are backed by billions from corporate and bankster contributions while real candidates with no financial backing are dismissed and go unknown.

How do you stop warrantless wiretapping when the majority of elected "representatives" are passing legislation to make it happen?



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[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

turn the eye back on the government

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13470) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Thanks for the post, Trevor.

Mind if I play devil's advocate for a sec? It's not my preferred occupation, but hey . . . .

I mean, I've been screaming about this shit for years - literally. I don't like the Shaw's card - I don't like the television advertisement for one of the new phones, which insists:

  • share everything

Because I am well aware that what this is, is private industry incorporating personal information, buying and spending habits and whatever else they can get their hands on - in an effort that is in part designed to identify new marketing opportunities.

It has other applications, and I could show you - had I access to the data - I could show you how to infect someone with so much cognitive dissonance they go completely insane - quite possibly killing themselves or others.

And that is the private sector. It isn't just the government invested in harvesting your personal effects but private industry as well. It's a problem.

So, here's the devil's advocacy - because I think the reality is very complex, and what we are seeing has meaning -

The fact is this information has come out - some of it. I would suggest some of the programs talked about may be duplication of programs already in use by either other agencies or private sector institutions - after all, I started screaming in 1997 - which seems to precede some of the programs under discussion.

The people talking about these programs are talking - they aren't dead. Neither am I. I don't know why, but it is a fact. I am alive and people are talking about this subject. What does that mean?

What would it say about our society if there were no discussion about any of this?

I have no doubt there are those who do not appreciate any discussion of this topic at all. shh they say - and they do so very quietly. shh

What if you got elected? You would confront government agencies - NSA, CIA, DIA - the entire Pentagon for all practical purposes - agencies under the Justice Dept in all likelihood - and that does not begin to address the degree of investment by the private sector - IBM and other high tech industries providing the chips, the wire, the mother boards, access to the entire communications grid . . . .

Were you elected to office you would encounter significant resources committed to opposition of any initiative that curbed the harvesting of our personal effects.

I am absolutely certain they move quietly, and lobby the political establishment not with facts so much as assertions, probabilities, and pictures of chaos.

They point out the investment of Jobs - and whose Congressional districts these jobs may be located in.

So what do you do? As an elected official, what do you do?

Say you held that pen - and with that pen you could reshape America. You could reshape America in ways some very powerful interests would find not simply objectionable, but highly irresponsible - and they come armed with some of the best and brightest minds this nation has to offer - arguing on their behalf.

Only a few months ago both Vice President Biden and Secretary Clinton boarded planes - air force planes - and both had incidents that required those planes to return to their point of departure. Less than 24 hours apart.

That pen has power. There are those who insist it be used very very carefully.

What do you do?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Yes. I'm glad you pointed out the participation by the private sector. And you're right... these corps happen to fund candidates and lobby legislation that helps makes this shit happen.

What would you do if you were an elected member of congress?

The information and truth on these illegal search and seizures of data has been exposed... so how are they still happening?

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13470) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Were I an elected member of Congress -

I've been considering that lately. Michele Bachmann attempted to resurrect the McCarthy era with her nonsense: the Muslim Brotherhood infiltration of the U.S. government.

I would approach the attempt to resurrect McCarthyism from a different direction. I would get behaviorists before Congress, and grill them about what is possible using the current technology, and who uses it.

Then I would follow the trail - and I would look for individuals consumed with guilt and prone to submission before such an inquest, to reveal what can be proven and who is involved in the production of Manchurian Candidates.

I know it can be done - I could do it.

There are any number of those who have done it, many without realizing the consequences until after. I would, without mercy, pry upon that guilt.

And those who show no remorse . . . they would face criminal penalties.

The whole process would of course reveal the application of data harvesting in its most malignant form. With that in hand barriers to less offensive uses would be revealed - and it would all come out.

And then the public could begin to participate in the dialog.

I suspect that perhaps the sane approach is similar to what would be sane regarding gun legislation - by that I mean providing certain curbs that make sense without a complete prohibition.

Obviously I don't need an m-16 - no matter how much I would like one. Permitting at the very least for military style weapons is in order, including flash suppression, extended magazines, things like that.

We can't get there because of the NRA.

I think something similar would be appropriate with regard to data harvesting. They are pulling in so much information now they cannot process it all without computers.

But they can and do have programs that can compile data on individuals for use in ways no sane individual would contemplate.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You should really think about running for congress. Why not? More every day people need to stand up! You could definitely do it. And if you ran against anyone in my state, I would vote for you. I know we have a few areas where we disagree, but you're still miles ahead of the congressmen in my state.

Anyone that puts preventing the theft of our rights and reclaiming rights that have been stolen, immediately goes to the top of the list.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13470) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

well thanks. I think it might be an uphill battle though, I haven't heard of a single vote cast on behalf of ZenDog for Pres

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21344) 1 year ago

We live in a fear-based society. We need a change around to a love-based society where paranoia takes a back seat. Great post, Trevor.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Thanks! A beautiful world is possible. People just need to open their eyes and minds.

[-] 2 points by ExposeTheOligarchs (37) 1 year ago

WOWWWW!!! That was eye opening! Thanks TM!

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

The truth is out there

[-] 2 points by mserfas (652) from Ashland, PA 1 year ago

I think that unfortunately with these things (like spying devices in automobiles) there is a regular progression of events. First they say nothing; then they say it's nothing much, don't worry your pretty little head over it; then there are breathless reports that privacy violations have occurred; then they say it's been going on for years, it's nothing new, you should be used to it by now ... and finally, at last, when these preliminaries are done, they make free use of the accumulated data for prosecution, lawsuit, or whatever purpose they will, since there is no longer any need for secrecy.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4464) 1 year ago

Good Post

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

"Once it takes in that data... it will build profiles on everybody in that data."

"You know that microphone in your phone.... they track that."

"The purpose is to be able to monitor what everybody is doing."

"You can't have secret interpretations of laws and not tell anyone."

"It's highly classified only because it's spying on Americans... extremely impeachable crimes."

"They came in with guns drawn for me."

  • Binney, 32 years in the NSA

Oh my god that's some funky shit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBzJrU25HUI

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4464) 1 year ago

Everyone needs to see this.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13470) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I think part of the theory is that there is such a tremendous volume of information being processed, no human eyes could possibly process it all. It requires key word flagging to bring select data to the fore for review.

Words like Bomb perhaps, and who knows, maybe even repelican

and any list with the items bleach and ammonia will certainly get scrutiny.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I think they've developed a filter system exactly like you mentioned.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13470) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

there is no other way to do it. I'm kinda confused by this guy Binny - think I've seen news reports on him as well as this post - but I'm convinced they have had a program in place that predates 2001.

There could be any number of explanations for the various programs Binny worked on post 2001 - everything from cover for past excesses, a method of updating existing programs while the programers think they are writing a whole new application, to graft plain and simple.

I'm not sure when I first heard about carnivore but supposedly that is an FBI program that trolls electronic data looking for keywords - and I'll bet that is at least ten years old, but I could be wrong.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (586) 1 year ago

And yet, when I walked into the post office with 5 boxes from chin to knee and inadvertently left my small digital still camera on the top of the my car roof, even after writing a letter asking to post a notice of reward, I never even heard back.

If we are going to be monitored for our own good, we should be allowed to get back our stuff as well.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago


[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

The Dems have done the opposite of their 2008 platform:

"We will restore our constitutional traditions, and recover our nation's founding commitment to liberty under law. We support constitutional protections and judicial oversight on any surveillance program involving Americans. We will review the current Administration's warrantless wiretapping program. We reject illegal wiretapping of American citizens, wherever they live. We reject the use of national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. We reject the tracking of citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. We reject torture. We reject sweeping claims of "inherent" presidential power. We will revisit the Patriot Act and overturn unconstitutional executive decisions issued during the past eight years. We will not use signing statements to nullify or undermine duly enacted law. [...]"


[-] 0 points by dukehagen (21) from Anrode, TH 7 months ago

Hey Guys!

I know, this is kind of an old threat, but if someone still following it. I'd really like to know what you think of the strategy proposal regarding "fighting the NSA" http://occupywallst.org/forum/powerfully-fighting-the-nsa-without-actually-doing/