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Forum Post: Monsanto? Why is this topic never raised here?

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 30, 2011, 9:33 p.m. EST by valfather (286)
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Fox News Kills Monsanto Milk Story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axU9ngbTxKw

Look into Roundup and its coupling with genetically modified seed strains. It's freekin scarry!

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[-] 3 points by nth (21) 2 years ago

You raised it. Pat yourself on the back.

[-] 2 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Kick it up!

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Re. The Documentary : "THE WORLD ACCORDING TO MONSANTO" : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4867493254318912106 = English dubbed version of the original French Documentary Film, "Controlling Our Food" !! fiat lux ... ;-)

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

Actually I've noticed that several folks on here have discussed the issues with Monsanto, food safety and genetic integrity. But, it's always good to keep bringing these topics to the forefront because they are truly critical issues that affect human health and our planet. I have my own opinions ( very opposed to GM foods for many logical and scientific reasons) but here's a very good article that may help enlighten those who are not as informed about the topic: http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/why-gmo-foods-have-failed-at-producing-healthy-food-for-more-people.html

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Back when http://politicalfriendster.com/ was online, I and one other contributor were far and away the most prolific. I concentrated on drug-related corruption, police state excesses, subversive Zionism, etc. Fedup focused on biotech and food supply. Each of us had our hands full.

I really regret having lost that site and her contributions.

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

I've been a health freedom activist for many years and I burned out in 06. I haven't stopped attempting to educate folks on issues related to Big Ag, Big Pharma, Big Insurance and Big Medicine ( essentially, they are just one big conglomerate anyway) but I just don't put as much time and effort into social activism as I once did. I suppose I became fed up with the apathy epidemic plaguing the world.
That's too bad that your site went down but perhaps you can find other internet sites to contribute to. Even so, I still feel like I'm preaching to the choir :(
Doesn't anyone besides ' liberals' watch PBS and listen to NPR? hahahhah

[-] 2 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

"Big Insurance"? 9/11 was certainly a boon to Big Insurance, and much of the evidence points in that direction. Insurance against terrorism will be far more lucrative when the insurer knows and controls when and what will be attacked.

On the flip-side, Big Insurance has the means to bribe and extort like no other industry.

And AIG deserves special mention in the context of corrupt Big Insurance at the heart of both 9/11 and 2008.

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

So true.
If it were not for " FEAR", big insurance and religion would not be deemed necessary by so many.
Health insurance, in my opinion, is the most heinous of them all- working in conjunction with other corps to essentially kill us. Some find that difficult to believe. But, how else would they profit?

[-] 2 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Big Insurance vs. Religion. I am neither Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, nor Buddhist (though closest to the latter). I am not at war against religion. I have my own.

But Big Insurance is evil. Have a look at http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/08/lewis-paul-bremer-iii-on-washington-dc.html He is the quintessential post-9/11 insurance profiteer. Start with who took control of Marsh McLennan after 9/11 and what role was played by Kroll and Cherkasky.

I should be charging for this information!

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

I'm not at war with religion either- just saying that most religions would become extinct if people did not fear death and the unknown after life. John Donne once wrote that the true religion resides within each of us and I agree with him. I'm Buddhist Jewish Quaker so I became Unitarian hahahahha. Did you read " Deadly Spin" ? Great book and although I think Wendall Potter waited for the perfect opportunity in his " just about to retire" career to blow the whistle on big insurance, I'm still glad that he did. Potter does however explain very well how easy it is to lose sight of the real world and real people when one is a corporate executive bean counter in a hermetically sealed office.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

The last time I attended Unitarian services (my childhood church) a woman made a snide remark - clearly intended to be overheard by me - about my new car and the implied materialism. It was the first new car I ever bought in my life. I had worked my way up from being a homeless burger flipper to being a systems engineer. I finally rewarded myself with a modestly priced, fuel efficient expensive-looking car.

As she waddled her excessive derriere into her SUV (probably costing twice what I had paid for my car, and far less fuel efficient) I realized that I didn't belong there.

I'm an ethnic Quaker. My Supreme Being is Reality. Truth is that in our minds which corresponds faithfully to Reality. My only commandment is "Be True".

As for losing perspective in the trappings of wealth, the people I fear the most are the ones who never had perspective. The Clintons of the world are merely their pawns.

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

hahahaha! Yep, some of the Unitarians are a bit too righteous ( codependent and dysfunctional too) I drive a small SUV while most others drive a teeny car. Oh well, I don't care. I have two dogs and two kayaks that travel with me on a regular basis. But, I also am not a wasteful, stupid driver who slams on my brakes at red lights and then guns the motor on green. I know small car drivers that waste more fuel than monster suv drivers.

I like the Quaker philosophies. I also value Truth in all things and know first hand that there is no point in ever attempting to avoid it or deny it because, like nature, it will always win.
Nature is my supreme being. I tend to respect the natural order of the universe as being the Divine.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone lived in truth? Given the aggressive competitive nature of our civilization, it seems though that anyone's perception of truth becomes skewed and stained with too much ego. Just watch an episode of Housewives of ? County or The Bachelor....if you can tolerate it. I heard on the news that young girls are becoming evil and manipulative in an attempt to be more like the women on these shows. Where are the parents who are supposed to be building their children's character? Clintons, Bushes..they are all out of touch with reality. Birds of a feather flock together which prevents them from knowing the truth about the human plight.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22057) 2 years ago

It was a few weeks ago.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I have.

They're among the most immoral corporations out there.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Please also see : "CONTROLLING OUR FOOD" (1:48:57 - 3 years ago) On March 11, '08 - "a new documentary was broadcast on French television. The gigantic bio-tech corporation Monsanto is now threatening to destroy the agricultural biodiversity which has served mankind for thousands of years" ; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6262083407501596844 .

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Wasn't that one of the reasons Norway ( I think) started a seed bank?

To hopefully save the diversity?

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Yes. It's a Pan-European Plant Seed Bank and it's within the Arctic Circle in deep freeze stasis ; ready for when we get to say "F**k Off" to The Corporations and Press Re-Set In The Future ...

dum spiro, spero ;-)

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

With the way some of us "humans' abuse the planet, it's nice to know someone is still willing to quietly try and save some of it's best stuff.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

It is also guarded by armed personnel and wisely so. You may think it weird coming from a registered Republican but this is trouble already happening. Several farmers have been ruined by lawsuits from Monsanto because GMS(genetically modified seed) had been spread on their land by trucks hauling it on the roads by their fields. The GSM grew and Monsanto sued.Very scary.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

I expect that drones dropping pollen will be discovered. A pound can pollinate a field, cause local chaos, and probably put farms on auction lists. That would be evil, and effective.

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

JHC, That's a new one on me. Ever since Bushy II told me there is Evil in the world, I've seen it on my plate.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The revolving door goes in both directions.

(R)epelicans have been buying up judges all over the country.

You can't tell what they are when you vote for them.

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[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 2 years ago

A report by Jeremy Scahill in The Nation (Blackwater's Black Ops, 9/15/2010) revealed that the largest mercenary army in the world, Blackwater (now called Xe Services) clandestine intelligence services was sold to the multinational Monsanto. Blackwater was renamed in 2009 after becoming famous in the world with numerous reports of abuses in Iraq, including massacres of civilians.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

I believe Xe (Blackwater) has been rebranded again. Monsanto? I will investigate.

[-] 1 points by truth2012 (43) 2 years ago

Now Monsanto owns Blackwater, the worlds largest mercenary army, to force GMO down the throats of the world! Nice job, Black Dragon Society! Chemtrails keep flying & poisoning the world from the sky, as Monsanmto poisons us all from the ground. http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/monsanto-now-owns-blackwater-xe/

[-] 2 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

I believe this is a failure of translation, but it does hit at the essence of privatized mercenary armies. That stuff going down in (oil rich) Nigeria stinks to High Asgard.

[-] 1 points by Joeboy32 (72) 2 years ago

Monsanto has an army of lawyers and probably bought out most of the courts across the country. The law is "paid off" to be on their side and that's the other half of their overall value in their business.

[-] 2 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Are you suggesting B'ig B'rother owns both the judges and the lawyers? How 'bout that, the prosecution and the defense serve the same master!

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[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

Peru banned GMO farming for 10 years. Hungary destroys 1,000 acres of GMO "corn". Monsanto stockholders annual meeting will be in ST. Louis, Jan 24 2012. Agent Orange still a problem for victims, fifty years after end of Vietnam conflict.

[-] 2 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Occupy Monsanto? ST. Louis, Jan 24 2012

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

Occupy? Hell, I think I'll set up an organic deli in the parking lot, and trade for stocks. Bayer seeds with their Liberty Link "Round Up", may be just as bad. The USA can import meat, wheat, soy, corn and vegetables. Farms can be sold. It's happening.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

GMO list of approved for food 1-11-12 USDA Alfalfa Beet Canola Cantaloupe Chicory Corn Cotton Bentgrass Flax Maize Papaya Plum Potato Radicchio Rapeseed Rice Rose Soybean Squash Sugar Beet Tobacco Tomato Wheat

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[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

Every month I save 10 stamps to invest.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

There's another missing reply.

[-] 1 points by ubercaput (175) from New York City, NY 2 years ago

FOX News = it's false FOX News enemy = good guy.

I am all for FOX socialism and other enemies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srh3uxQDsoI

[-] 1 points by IslandActivist (191) from Keaau, HI 2 years ago

I hate Monsanto >.>

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[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

One might argue "prior art" in the case of their won DNA. I say the human genome is open source. I don't care what some flipping lawyer has to say. Of course, and individual has a right to privacy in the uniqueness of his own DNA.

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[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Sometimes the courts are simply wrong. I don't care what they say. Nobody holds a valid patten on my DNA.

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[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

It sometimes seems as if the courts have been infiltrated by an entity intent on subverting freedom.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

I believe it is now referred to as 'personal property', your person, someone else's property.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

Monsanto DIE_IT. How many farmers are legislators? Do they support organic farmers? Do they use Roundup and Monsanto seeds? Do they buy GMO infant formula, for their families? This company wants to be invisible. Occupy the farms.

[-] 2 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Monsanto maintains a revolving door that rivals Goldman Sachs.

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[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I have a problem with their proprietary seeds because they are too easily disseminated into other people's fields. And with Monsanto's army of lawyers, they are making it all most impossible for the little guy to get a fair shake. Also, terminator seeds just seem wrong and diabolical.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

I'm not familiar with the details. Seems Monsanto should be the ones taken to court for contaminating other people's seed supplies.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Not if the seed that the farmer owns is not in a DNA database like Mansanto's copy written seeds. I've seen a documentary where a couple of farmers had some lawyers grab a sample of their seed, and the lawyers determined that it matched their client's proprietary gene and sued the farmers. Here is an article that gives you an idea of what I'm talking about.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 2 years ago

Why aren't GMO foods labeled?

http://www.naturalnews.com/031436_GMOs_food_labeling.html

It is a question that more people should be asking, and one that even some in the mainstream media have begun to entertain:

The answer, dictated directly from the public relations departments of Monsanto and friends via the U.S. government, is that GMOs are safe and identical to natural varieties, and do not require differentiation. But this notion is a flat out lie.

GMOs have never been proven to be safe for consumption, either by animals or by humans, and the technology neither increases crops yields nor reduces the use of toxic pesticides and herbicides. In fact, it does all of the opposite, all while giving complete control of agriculture to a few multinational biotechnology companies that are rapidly eliminating all competition.

A simple look into the history of GMOs and how they even gained a foothold in agriculture in the first place clearly illustrates the heavy hand of the likes of Monsanto in weaseling its way into the limelight through lobbying, lies, and deceit

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto

Numerous studies showing the detrimental effects of GMOs prove they are poisons. So in reality, the bare minimum of a reasonable approach is to label GMO poisons as being present in food.

A 2009 study published in the International Journal of Biological Sciences found that three varieties of GM corn that have been approved for human consumption in the U.S. cause "adverse impacts on kidneys and liver, the dietary detoxifying organs, as well as different levels of damages to heart, adrenal glands, spleen and haematopoietic system." And this conclusion was arrived upon based on the same data Monsanto used to somehow get these GMOs approved

http://www.naturalnews.com/027931_GMO_crops_organ_damage.html#ixzz1i5kkpdkV

http://www.naturalnews.com/033780_natural_foods_GMOs.html

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

Because Monsanto knows ALL.

[-] 1 points by MonetizingDiscontent (1257) 2 years ago

USDA Recalls more than 60 Million Pounds of conventional meat products in 2011 for Bacterial Contamination - and Health Inspectors are Worried About Raw Milk?

http://www.naturalnews.com/034515_ecoli_beef_recalls.html

---Thursday, December 29, 2011 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer---

(NaturalNews) Health authorities spend an excessive amount of time, energy, and public resources creating an uproar about the so-called dangers of raw milk. They continually go after farmers and customers. But these same authorities are doing far less to address the very real and widespread dangers associated with the conventional meat supply, more than 60 million pounds that was recalled just in 2011 alone.

A quick review of just the current and active recalls posted on the US Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) website shows that more than 60 million pounds of beef, pork, chicken, and turkey products were recalled in 2011 for contamination with Listeria, E. Coli, and salmonella, a total of 60 million pounds http://www.fsis.usda.gov/FSIS_Recalls/Open_Federal_Cases/index.asp

And this is just the meat products that are still in the process of being recalled. There are literally tens of thousands more pounds of meat products that were fully recalled in 2011: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/FSIS_Recalls/Recall_Case_Archive/index.asp ...Together, this is a massive amount of meat mass, and there are likely tens of thousands of people that ate this tainted meat before the USDA and the companies that produced it got around to recalling it.

::::::::::If conventional meat were treated the same as raw milk, it would be outlawed::::::::::

But were any of these companies shut down? Did any of them have all their products forcibly recalled over unfounded suspicion that they may have been tainted? Did any of them have their entire businesses quarantined while bumbling bureaucrats dragged their feet testing the products in question to determine whether or not such drastic actions were even necessary in the first place?

The answer to this, of course, is a resounding no. All of this overreactive tyranny is reserved for small-scale producers of raw, organic foods, and for honest companies like Organic Pastures Dairy (OPD), which had its entire business shut down for over a month because of five unconfirmed cases of E. Coli, which were later determined to have nothing to do with the dairy's raw milk products. http://www.naturalnews.com/034458_Organic_Pastures_raw_milk_Mark_McAfee.html

And this is how raw milk is treated everywhere. Nearly half of the country has laws in place that either highly restrict or fully ban access to raw milk, despite the fact that conventional meat -- not to mention most of the factory food supply -- is much more dangerous. In reality, conventional meat products, not raw dairy products, belong in the class of food products that are considered inherently dangerous and worthy of being more highly regulated, if not banned altogether.

And yet federal and state health officials would like us all to believe that raw milk is the real danger, and that it comes out of cow and goat udders filled with deadly bacteria. And the only way to make it safe, of course, is to blast it with heat and force it through a mechanism that breaks apart the natural fat cells and turns them into a toxin.

In reality, conventional meat products are far more prone to deadly disease than raw milk, and this has been made abundantly clear just by the sheer volume of conventional meat products that were recalled during this past year. So perhaps the USDA, FDA, and state health authorities will get a clue in 2012 and spend more time focusing on one of the real purveyors of foodborne illness -- the conventional meat supply.

Sources for this article include:

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/FSIS_Recalls/Open_Federal_Cases/index.asp

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/Recall_101_2011_Release/index.asp

(((Learn more Here))) http://www.naturalnews.com/034515_ecoli_beef_recalls.html#ixzz1i59dTqnX


[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

And cooking thoroughly has worked for millennia untold. Sheez!

[-] 1 points by MonetizingDiscontent (1257) 2 years ago

yeah, how did humanity ever get through the ages without GMO, irradiating all the food, BPA preservatives, etc etc.. Its absolutely -ridiculous-

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

I'm not opposed to all inspection and oversight of food production. It's a good thing to make sure workers have healthy and safe conditions, and its good to ensure that the food supply is not completely out of whack, but recalling tons of meat because someone found some germs in one or two samples seems like little more than a way of raising the barrier to entry and the cost of doing business in such a way as to drive all but the largest conglomerates out of business.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

Here's the thing: I don't mind genetically modified food at all if your modifications create hardier crops with better yields and better resistance to diseases and pests. If the modifications are done properly, then GM food is in fact a good thing. That does not, however, mean that GM foods should be used as an excuse to discard centuries-old sustainable farming techniques such as crop rotation and to abuse the land from which we derive our foodstuffs because that then makes our food supply incredibly vulnerable to the right pathogen at the right time.

My problem with Monsanto is twofold: first of all, we should never routinely put hormones, antibiotics, or other chemicals into animals we plan to milk or eat unless the effects of those chemicals on humans and other animals are pretty much nonexistent and/or we can be absolutely certain that the chemicals in question are not retained in meat or passed in milk at anywhere near safety threshold levels (which should be set well below actual risk thresholds). That's just a matter of making a reasonable effort to avoid another thalidomide tragedy, and there needs to be more comprehensive regulation and far more consistent support for enforcement.

Second, research into better foodstuffs is vitally important to the future of the planet, and it thus stands that the results of that research should be available for all to use free of charge. There is absolutely no reason that someone should be able to patent seeds or genes. If they come up with a novel means of performing genetic modification then that should be patentable as an actual new invention, but patenting living things and biological material in general is absurd and attempting to enforce those patents is tantamount to extortion.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

GM food is playing Russian roulette with the biosphere. That Monsanto is strong-arming this down our throats makes it much more dangerous. Nature has evolved a very intricate means of check and balances. Genetic evolution is a very subtle and complex process, not understood by the gangsters trying to hijack the process.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

and cell phones are absolutely healthy for your young brain

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

I'm sorry; where exactly did that come from?

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

don't believe to what they saying on television. when you grow up and gonna have kids you will worry about them. like american fathers are very concerned about their young daughters: http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/schoolaged/earlypuberty.html it is all relevant

[-] -1 points by turak (-812) 2 years ago

You do not understand the abomination which is genetic modification at all.

First: genetic modification at the SEED level of plant life is not like genetic modification of higher levels like human genes: even though that is also an abomination of Nature. Genetic modification of plants at the level which is now being practiced spreads. There is no control which species of plant can be infected by any of these abominations.

The unending PUSH by the highest most powerful corporations of the world to introduce as much of this poisonous seed into the plant-eco systems of the world has been persistent now for over 30 years.

Every time a public outcry was raised against any GM seeds being used in food plants,: THEY WENT UNDERGROUND AND SHUT THEIR MOUTHS. For decades Europe being less monopolized by the corporate mass media monopoly of corporate power and more in tune with natural foods and less brainwashed into buying and eating processed junk had a complete BAN on all GM products.

Even the starving countries that were offered GM rice and millet to feed the millions of starving refugees during the 90's refused that poison stuff because they already KNEW WHAT IT DOES TO NATURE. his happened because nobody in the WORLD wanted that poisoned shit, so they were forced to dump it off into the United nation UNICEF program for emergencies in case of a disaster. The United Nations being completely CORRUPT was the only international body willing to take this poison: and when it was shipped to Nigeria: IT WAS RETURNED. Because even the Africans did not want to destroy their own food-plant eco-systems because that is GENETIC SUICIDE.

Since that time... the corrupt Monsanto and Dow chemical corp and others managed during the Bush years to sneak SNEAK it into the USA: the mos corrupt and chemically poisoned nation on earth with the most ignorant dumbed down brainwashed fools for a population. The strategy then was claiming it would never be used to feed humans: that it was only to be used to feed livestock, so farmers were fooled, lied to and bribed to use it.

Since then it has SPREAD LIKE A POISONOUS CANCER into 70% of all the food sold in the USA. Everything you fucking buy in a supermarket today in the US... 70% of it has genetically modified plant material IN THE FOOD.

What that will do to your GENETIC health is yet to be studied or reported on. What this will do to the babies of people who have eaten of this poison is yet to be discovered.

What IS known as a scientific fact is that all...ALL GENETIC MODIFICATIONS in ALL genetically modified plants can and do cross over and are pollinated into not only domestic plant growing in other fields near the genetically poisoned plants: but also into EVERY WILD SPECIES OF PLANT IN THE AREA.

It does not stop there: I have seen in my own firsthand study of the wild insect species 60 miles north of Montreal, how wasps, bees, flies, and other insects have been genetically poisoned and their entire genetic makeup and color, size and design has been genetically modified due to feeding on the genetically modified poisoned weeds that I found growing up north in the clearing next to our cabin in the woods: 30 miles away from any farm...

You think GM plants are 'ok'? You are totally IGNORANT of how much these poisonous plant shave already damaged all living things on earth. You have no CLUE as to how fast the genetic poison of these things can spread. They cannot be controlled. Once the pollen from these poisonous seed are released into the air: the only way to stop their spread is to take them all out and BURN THEM.. and then find EVERY SINGLE PLANT they have infected and burn them too. That is physically IMPOSSIBLE to do. Which is why for years, they were banned all over the world. But the down-slide of corruption and evil never ends: the pitiful futile tiny resistance against the giant monolithic evil huge corporate giants in their express motive and desire to poison this earth as quickly and as irretrievably as possible has never wavered.

You do ot know one HUNDREDTH of the hidden evil at work night and day all over the earth: destroying huge sections of unspoiled nature so there will not be one square food of unpoisoned healthy living organic life left.

IN Canada alone: the scope of industry destroying the huge: once thought limitless bounds of the Canadian forests and lakes has already destroyed 95% of all he virgin timber in Canada and destroyed forever the second largest water shed in the world second only to that of the Mississippi river system.

While you ignorant little drones are holed up inside your isolation cubicles: the destruction of the entire earth by the industrial monsters you TOLERATE as being 'necessary' for your convenience: are quickly making certain that you and your species will be EXTINCT: along with every living organism right down to the level of BACTERIA.

The abomination of artificial fertilizer itself is a horror and a false economy. The HUGE amounts of energy and heat and natural gas and oil needed to produce ONE POUND of chemical fertilizer is so expensive and so complicated a process and so huge an industrial poisoning of the entire earth: it would take a team of dedicated professional scientific reporters to reveal the thousands of cunning lies and swindles and stealing of energy and outright corporate welfare BY THE GOVT's of the industrial world to show you just how monstrous a poison the overpopulation of the wolrd by humans is. Oh: you didn't know that the newest surge in human overpopulation was fed and created by the new industrialization of the Haber-Bosch process invented during WW2, and is CONTINUING TO BE FED by this chemical abomination.

ALL of the chemicals invented by modern human civilization are abominations. ALL OF THEM. There are NO EXCEPTIONS.

Your fucking 'idea' that you can 'tolerate' certain chemical poisons in order to make these for profit businesses richer: is the exact PROPAGANDA SHIT JUNK MYTH RELIGION all of you consuming human fools have swallowed and were duped into.

What makes me SICK is you conveniently STOP DOING ANY MORE RESEARCH into the science and facts. A few documentary video's on the internet will not tell you a fucking thing about what is ACTUALLY going on in the world and what actually happened in human history. The horror does not stop when the video is over. 6.9 BILLION insane apes are systematically destroying the earth they depend on to EXISTENCE. You are living inside a mass suicidal rush of YOUR species into total EXTINCTION by any and every means possible. Every day every night 24 hours a day the chemical physical poisoning and destruction of all life on earth is being PUSHED TO THE ULTIMATE LEVELS POSSIBLE

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

OK; that didn't really tell me anything other than that you really, really don't like genetically modified food. I don't believe that we should simply play with plant genomes and then dump the results in the biosphere before we take a good hard look at the likelihood and extent of possible side effects. That would mean that each new strain of crop arising from genetic modification would be subject to clinical trial-level tests by an industry-independent FDA before it is allowed onto the general market to make sure that it is safe for human and animal consumption. I would say that we could all agree that such an acceptance procedure would set a sufficiently high bar for introduction of genetically modified foods to prevent unwanted contamination of the biosphere.

The rest of what you're saying is ridiculous. There are almost seven billion people on this planet. They all have to eat, and ideally they should all be eating enough different kinds of food in high enough quantities that they are well-nourished. That's not going to happen without a certain degree of manipulation of the biosphere simply because there's not enough arable land to provide for everyone indefinitely, and the only way to fix that is to modify the land so that we can grow what we need to grow, and modify the crops so that we can get higher yields per acre and per pound of fertilizer. Now, obviously that should be done carefully, but asserting that all chemicals are poison and that modern farming techniques (I am not talking about factory farming; that's an ecological disaster all its own) are evil and destructive is ridiculous.

[-] 2 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

The biggest problem I have is that these 4 companies own "patents" on their seed. This means that once ALL food is genetically modified these companies control the worlds food supply. This is something I am against whole heartedly and I urge people to buy locally grown organic food.

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

Locally grown is not the best option for most citizens because we all live in brownfield properties now.

Last year for the first time half of my food came Canada where organic is still possible and bpa has been banned. I stopped buying all ConAgra products when they started a killing spree of grandmothers two years ago with salmonella.

Now in 2012, I expect to get most of my fruit and vegetables from below the equator, just to stay away from the Japanese MOX.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

I completely agree with you as far as patents are concerned; Monsanto needs to be broken up, and the US needs to invalidate any and all patents on natural or biological material.

[-] -1 points by turak (-812) 2 years ago

No it is not ridiculous: you are. The earth was not designed for the convenience of 7 billion overpopulating insanely destructive apes who keep on fucking like rabbits.. The earth was not made so one species could kill off all the other living species it depends on to live: which is precisely what this one species has been doing for 100,00 years. Every single desert is man-made: created by walking apes who destroyed the lend they lived on and then moved on to destroy other lands they turned from bountiful gardens into barren wastelands. The pre-history of the insane destructive walking ape is millions of years old and can be traced from one desert it created to the next to the next to the next. The natural world with all of its natural cataclysms of earthquakes, tsunami's, volcanoes, hurricanes, floods and drought, and Ice Ages has never created a desert, a land that does not support life during any period in the history of the earth. Even global mass extinctions have quickly rebounded with new forms of life almost instantly. The peninsula of Greece was covered by 450 ft of volcanic ash from volcanoes exploding in Africa and the residue drifting over the Mediterranean and settling on that abomination of a land that produced a human/neanderthal abomination of a sub-species which poisoned the rest of humanity, and even 459 ft of volcanic ash did not succeed in killing off life on that peninsula.

You have not done the research I have done and you have not discovered the hidden evils which exist in this world. Also: you have not connected all of your facts together into a cohesive storyline narrative which explains how it all happened and is continuing to happen. The genetically deformed bees and wasps and grasshoppers and flies and moths and butter flies in my section of the Laurentien woods 60 miles north of Montreal is only one small indicator of the degree of genetic poisoning of all NATURE which these GMO plants have managed to poison all over the earth. This genetic poisoning together with the acid rain poisoning from Chinese factories has been destroying the beauty and health of the Canadian Natural eco-systems for at least 30 years now... There are no more healthy trees growing anywhere in the forest now. They are all sickly and weak and dying before they pass the size of a healthy sapling.

Get out of your city. Go to the farthest most untouched natural land at the end of the roads of civilization: walk that land and inspect the living plants and trees and insects.

Then go back one year later: document your first trip and take photos and measurements: you will see with your own eyes what is happening all over the earth. You will see what I have been noticing for the last 6 years since I returned to Canada and went back to where I was raised in the woods of Canada.

Since you have NO connection to the earth you live on: since you do not care for the earth you live on: since you expect the earth to feed clothe and shelter you as you destroy it: you will not do what I recommend. Seeing for yourself is believing. You do not WANT to know the ugly truth. If you did: you would walk the woods and the ponds and lakes and streams of where you live and the fields and valleys and mountains: and you would then see for yourself, the horror which man is wreaking upon the earth.

Poisoning yourself is bad enough. But to poison the entire EARTH and all the living organisms on the land, in the air and in the water is a crime so huge: it is an abomination so horrible, it is beyond words to describe. 60% of all large fish caught in he ocean have toxic levels of mercury in them.

You are poisoning yourself just by eating what your civilized pollution has done to the earth. There is nothing left that is not poisoned by industrial chemical poisons. That is mass suicide, and it is insane.

[-] 1 points by MonetizingDiscontent (1257) 2 years ago

:::::Lawyer, Shawn Buckley about Raw Milk - The State's Control of our Nourishment:::::

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Shawn Buckley speaks about the states control of our nourishment and access to raw milk in particular. Shawn Buckley is lawyer with expertise in the Food and Drugs Act and Regulations. Mr. Buckley acts primarily for manufacturers of Natural Health Products and has an enviable track record in protecting companies charged by Health Canada. Produced for mediareel.net by Northcia.media. Excerpt from upcoming documentary, directed by Glenn Axford.

[-] 1 points by MonetizingDiscontent (1257) 2 years ago

::::Occupy GMOs: Protesters Block Access to Manufacturing Plant Filled With Animal 'Frankenfeed'::::

http://www.naturalnews.com/034196_GMOs_protests.html

---Saturday, November 19, 2011 /// by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer---

(NaturalNews) Tired of the quiet import and use of genetically-modified organisms (GMOs) in the animal food supply throughout Europe, a group of protesters in France has decided to make a statement by blockading the entrances of the Glon Sanders animal feed plant in Saint-Gerard, Morbihan, France. The company's more than 200 employees have been unable to come to work for some time now, which means that production has stopped at the plant, and its offices remain empty.

Most of Europe is staunchly opposed to GMOs in general, which is why they are hardly ever sold there, and why they must be properly labeled if they are. But GMOs have been furtively making their way into the European food supply via animal feed, which is often laced with GM soy, corn, and other contaminated ingredients thanks to labeling loopholes that permit "non-GMO" livestock to consume GM feed.....

(((Continue Reading this article Here))) http://www.naturalnews.com/034196_GMOs_protests.html


::::::::Monsanto partners with USAID to push GM corn in Nepal::::::::

http://www.naturalnews.com/034203_Monsanto_Nepal.html

---Sunday, November 20, 2011 /// by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer---

(NaturalNews) The southeast Asian country of Nepal is once again having to fight against foreign interests that are trying to take over its agricultural system. Biotechnology giant Monsanto apparently has its sights set on bringing genetically-modified organisms (GMOs) to this sliver of a country just north of India, and it is allegedly working with the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), a so-called humanitarian group, and officials in Nepal to make it happen.

USAID issued a statement on Sept. 13, 2011, saying that it had partnered with Nepal's Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives (MoACs) and Monsanto to "promote hybrid maize (corn) seeds among 20,000 farmers of Chitwan, Nawalparasi and Kavre districts and provide training to them." Media across Nepal quickly picked up on the story, and massive public outcry ensued.

GMOs are not widely cultivated in Nepal, and the country has always taken a very cautious approach to adopting them. In fact, when it was discovered that some GMO ingredients had potentially already contaminated the nation's food supply back in 2003, government officials quickly made precautionary recommendations at the time to require GMO labeling on all food items.

But with multinational corporations and the US government working overtime to force GM corn on Nepali farmers, Nepal appears to be getting pushed to the brink of no return. Though Nepal still imports some of its corn from elsewhere, the country is having no problems with the conventional, organic, and heirloom varieties it currently cultivates, and has no need whatsoever for GM varieties.

Since the controversy erupted, Nepali officials have reportedly backed off from the plan. Hari Dahal, joint secretary at MoACs, told reporters recently that his agency had "no idea why USAID issued the statements saying that the Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives was partnering with Monsanto" because "no agreement had been signed."

USAID was a little more ambiguous about whether or not MoACs was specifically involved in the matter, but the agency did make it very clear that it is working with Monsanto to promote GMOs around the world, including in Nepal. And based on the way Monsanto continues to thrust GMOs on the people of India just to the south, there is no doubt that the biotech giant is doing the same thing to people of Nepal as we speak.

::::::::::::Sources for this article include::::::::::::

http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/2011/11/8/Nation/18676

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90064942?Monsanto%20focus%20of%20controversy%20in%20Nepal%20over%20hybrid%20maize


[-] 1 points by LSN45 (535) 2 years ago

I have seen it talked about before. Having a big "monoculture" is all fun and games until the right pathogen mutates - then the world will be starving and there will be wars the likes of which we have never seen. But why worry about that? Monsanto is making lots of money today, and that is all that seem to matter to corporations trying to meet their quarterly goals:

Here's my 2 cents:

There are a lot of improvements that need to be made. The list of reforms Americans want to see is long and varied depending on who you talk to. That said, I believe there is one reform that would provide the American people the best chances of seeing other meaningful reforms actually happen - that is REAL, loop-hope free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM! I have seen others on this site calling this the "fulcrum" or pivotal issue. Right now the current legalized bribery, pay-to-play system of campaign donations and paid lobbyists has disenfranchised the American voter. Until this is fixed, any other reform the politicians may try to placate us with (be it a change to healthcare, clamping down predatory school loans, new financial regulations, etc.) will be about as effective as a farmer putting a new roof on his CHICKEN COOP, but still letting the FOX guard it.

We need to go back to the original political currency. Instead of the current system of who can collect the most money from corporations and special interests it should be who has the BEST IDEAS to EFFECTIVELY RUN THE COUNTRY (we don't need "Wealth Redistribution," what we need is "Political Influence Redistribution")!

For the sake of our children and future generations of Americans, we need to take back our democracy from the rich and powerful who are using their vast sums of money to "speak" as if they represent millions of Americans. This "Corporate Personhood" that has crept into our laws is allowing them to manipulating our policies in their favor at the expense of the average American (the recent "Citizens United" Supreme Court ruling is a miscarriage of justice and must be reversed. The $50 or $100 a normal American may give to a political campaign becomes meaningless when corporations or other special interests are handing our millions to buy political access to the decision making process.

For decades now the corporations and special interests have had our "representatives" bought and paid for (both on the right and the left). Concentrating our efforts on getting the money out of our politics is the best way we can create an environment in which further reforms can be realized. Until we end the current system of legalized bribery (campaign donations) and paid lobbying our politicians will continue to be the LAP DOGS of the corporations and special interests. What we need first and foremost is real, loop-hole free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!! If the corruption is not dealt with first, the chance of any other meaningful reforms becoming a reality is almost zero - the special interests will just use their money to buy votes and put forward bills that create loop-holes or otherwise twist the law in their favor. If we want our children to live in a country where there vote matters, we need to get the money out of our politics, otherwise they will increasingly become the 21st century version of the "landless peasant." Spread the word - End the LEGALIZED BRIBERY!!! CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM needs to be THE main goal of the protests!!!

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

I'm trying to find Jesse Ventura's comments about de-institutionalizing political parties. He's said a lot about abolishing political parties, but one time he hit the nail on the head. He wants to remove such positions as "minority whip", "Majority Leader" from the formalities of Congress. IOW, there should be no recognition of party in the official conduct of congress. Party primaries, etc., should be eradicated. It's at least food for thought.

BTW, I'm not a Venture worshiper. I just liked what he said on that one topic.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 2 years ago

Why isn't it ever pointed out that the US "Food Safety" czar IS from MONSANTO?

Huffington Post July 2009-

"If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.

This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/youre-appointing-who-plea_b_243810.html

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Bump! I defy the systopo!

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

Don't forget Donald Rumsfield. Medal of "Honor" I'd like to buy the world a Diet Coke.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Rumsfeld is a contradiction in term for me. His own obsession with physical fitness is laudable. But his involvement with commercial chemical warfare is deplorable.

I don't think Rummy is the worst of the lot. And I believe he would throw the worst of them under the bus if he could.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/2011/11/02/lawsuit-aims-to-halt-genetically-engineered-crops-on-midwest-refuges/

If it's not a National Defense argument, then use Proprietary Information argument. Transparency requested of the White House.

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[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Family Farms? That was the backbone of America.

[-] 0 points by Menton (26) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Thank you. Yes, Pat yourself on the back. ... adding to the menu.... a 1% investment - intesting.

[-] 0 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 2 years ago

We only attack what our masters wish us to attack, we attack banks, not unions, we attack business, not (liberal) government, we attack oil, not ethanol.

We are the bestest useful idiots ever!

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

Before leaving mom's basement or getting student loans you might read;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

You have masters? Perhaps you get your info exclusively from the MSM.

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[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

There's a very good documentary I watched on this called "Food Inc." It really is an eye opener.basically four companies control most of the worlds seed.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

I wonder what the candidates would say about all of this.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

i heard stories about monsanto long time ago. for example if you have transgenetic crops around your farm you have to buy monsanto GMO seeds, otherwise you might have no chance to have posterity for next year seeding. i hope you understand me. Monsanto seeds you can only grow one time, and next time you have to buy it again and again. So indian farmers took the loan in the bank and bought monsanto seeds. Monsanto promises were not fulfilled. indian farmers lost their cotton crop and were not be able repay the loan. many of them burn them self and even their familes to death. tihs scary

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

You mean the herbicides used in conjunction with Monsanto's Frankenseed will kill every other strain. These chemical weapons leach into the adjacent fields and wipe out legitimate crops.

Yes Monsanto's products are terrifying.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Honey Bee Hive Collapse is entertaining to you. My little brother was a derivatives trader and hone bee breeder until recently. He still tries to raise bees, but woke up to the inequity of derivatives. He can tell you a thing or two about the problems of honey bees in the wild these days.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

as all we know, bees do cross-pollination. as i heard is the monsanto seeds suitable only for one time use. it useless for regeneration. may be it is mecanism of mother nature which stops futher mutation. probably not... so what is going on with two crops: organic and g-modified if they placed together? Organic field will be cross-pollinated with half organic and g-modified pollen. what organic farmers have to do with this? they cant separate their seeds for regeniration after harvesting. they have to buy either genetic or organic ones. genetic farmers are having bigger harvest and doesn't worry about cross-population whatsoever. i'm not trying to predict the future or anything. but when the biggest company always try to chose their strategy, they pick all-consuming tactic. i may have some mental disease. when i'm trying to select oranges outside grocery store i do sometimes like peeling zest up to see if oranges are juicy or not. Some parties of them looks good from outside. Inside they barren and corrupt!

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

I have no idea what you were actually trying to say, but if "Monsanto sucks" will summarize it, we are in agreement.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

It HAS been raised here, what are you talking about?

Everyone should see the award-winning documentary, "The World According to Monsanto".

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Re. The Documentary : "The World According to Monsanto" : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4867493254318912106 = English dubbed version of the original French Documentary Film, "Controlling Our Food" !! fiat lux ... ;-)

[-] 0 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Join http://waronyou.com/forums/

This forum (http://occupywallst) is rather disjoint and hard to follow. It's like a stream of consciousness without a journal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvGddgHRQyg

[-] 0 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 2 years ago

Yea this is BS, another "giagantor" company that will destroy the small farms and organic farms.

They sue farmers and take over property too of farmers that have 1% of their "patented" genetics in their crops.

This usually happens by a few seeds blowing over onto property, I wouldn't be surprised if they are the ones contaminating the crops with their seeds.

They are developing terminator seeds, ones that cannot be re-used from the foods purchased also.

They are the same company that produced AGENT ORANGE, the super herbicide used in vietnam, know for a whole host of diseases to Vietnam Vets.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

You make IG Farben sound innocent in comparison. I'm a child of science. I was tinkering with digital technology in my mother's apartment in 1975. But I can smell a rat when I come across one, and Monsanto is just that. GM foods should be banned. We really need to stay as close to Mother Nature as we can. It may be a short-term difficulty, but in the long-run She will reward us. Perhaps in ways the economists will never measure.

[-] 0 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 2 years ago

Was IG Farben messing with genetics of plants? I thought they were just a big conglomerate, and synthesizer of natural components...

Monsanto is the biggest rat...

What happened in 1975?

(1 yr before I was born, but started playing with vaccum tube radios/tvs, and dual transistor/tube sets, and early computers when in Kindergarden, I think that was 81)

They have bought up and vaulted all the real seeds , they are in the arctic vaults now, it is very hard to get not GMO, or even know what we are getting nowadays.

If it came down to it and I had nothing left to lose , that company would be my first target

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

IG Farben is the whipping boy of a lot of reactionary "lefties". They are blamed for things that never happened, but are the scourge of modern "history". As for Monsanto, wow! That is a viper's brood!

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

IG Farben was a German chemical conglomerate that worked closely with the Nazis during World War II, supplying the concentration camps with cyanide for the gas chambers and making extensive use of slave labor.

[-] 0 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 2 years ago

I knew they were a big chem company, etc but didn't know they were the ones who produced the cyanide. Good thing I am immune to it...just gives me a stomach ache next day sweaty and fine......

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

All over the Internet people call Monsanto "the most hated corporation in the world".

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

And All Over The Earth : Monsanto = Monsatan !!!

[-] 0 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 2 years ago

Yep, and thats even giving them more credit than they deserve.

Companies like this are the ones making the laws by buying off politicians.

They are the WORST.....

Their genetically modified products are going to lead to more diseases/cancer/infertility you name it.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I guarantee if I had a corn field it would be the very last place they ever wanted their pollen blowing over to infect my crops

[-] -1 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 2 years ago

It is a shame that nobody takes a stand anymore.

If the monsanto rep showed up and he was sent away and to return with a subpoena to test my crops, he would not leave the farm.

He would become fertilizer. for the next batch of compost

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I don't own a cornfield.

Monsanto should just be glad.