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Forum Post: Lowest turnout in 70 years, biggest GOP win in 80 years and white supremacist as Majority Whip!

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 30, 2014, 6:40 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ
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[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

and now for something completely congress

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I guess it doesn't matter how rich the rich get the poor kill people too I suppose, at least the evil Dems didn't win

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/business/house-republicans-change-rules-on-calculating-economic-impact-of-bills.html?_r=0

when you think of the dead in France just think if Nader had been able to see a difference then we would not have ignored Bin Laden the towers would still be standing and these guys wouldn't have the Iraq War to be pissed off about, funny how it works when people deal with reality instead of feeding their egos, but Nader had to feed his ego... elections have consequences

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

no one won

the government is at best in proxy

and needs to run a re election

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Yet 247 GOP were sworn in and will be passing laws and and building prisons and such while you sit around doing nothing and wishing things were better.

well at least you got rid of them evil dems, you see life goes on whether you decide to be a part of it or not, your statements of how things should be according to your divine insight, doesn't mean much to the kids in Iraq who have been killed by the war started because Nader couldn't find a difference, yeah the truth is a bitch and it doesn't change no matter how tired you get of hearing about the evil people like yourself bring into this world.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

the government is not respecting the establishment id they do not seek a quorum

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

people tend to care about if they can do what they want to, people in government care about being in power so they can do stuff, the power of the office is not affected by the number of people who vote, who holds the office is affected, dose the person who holds the office care what people think? well they care about the people that vote, but them that don't well they care less about them, but their power to start wars and such is unaffected by how many vote, but very affected by how the ones that do vote, vote, being one of the voters that's where the power is, that's how you change things, voting to make difference that's when them that win will listen

I do envy those of you who work to elect the GOP as you do Matt it is so easy to convince people that by doing nothing they can change things, that must be very appealing to the average lazy American

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

power is due to popularity of who will follow

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

prison guards must be very popular

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

There is a better way,we could rise up together and throw the GOP out of office and force change, but so many just want to hear themselves blow wind, of course don't discount that the 1% are well aware of the danger that people will realize that the GOP keep them in power, to prevent that they are always sure to have their agents hard at work.

[-] 2 points by larryathome (161) from Red Bank, NJ 2 years ago

http://theprogressivemind.org/?p=116 Leave a comment on that post. There is a path forward, but it will take time to execute. We are six years away from turning the tide, but we can control redistricting if done right.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

We did a anti-gerrymandering law along with our public funding law, which the Robert's court gutted, in AZ and we got 5 Ds and 4 Rs out of the 2012 election, so it worked, slipping back into GOP control as of 2014 with so many people deciding to stay home.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Do both-samers and both-blamers know they were Both PLAYED?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

hey Smith want to make your weekend go here

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/04/us/politics/2014-exit-polls.html?utm_source=top_nav&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=election-2014#us/2014

start at 1992 look at overall results and the 18-29 results a little futher down the page then click date by date from 1992 to 1994 to 1996 ect and look at the delta between D votes and 18-29 D vote and watch it grow, it will bring a smile to your face, I'm telling you we can kill the GOP.....

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

"Make my weekend go here" ??

Are you aware of the increase of hardships, deaths and suicides that result from Con seizure of our governments (local, state and fed)? Not to mention massive transfers of wealth to the top 1%.

Yes, we were all hopeful by the surge of young liberal and progressives in the 60s and 70s, look what that got us!!!

Let's get real, here. Mass propaganda!

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

surprised you are still coming around here, just heard a story about workman's comp thar's another whole area people are getting screwed, so yeah not that much to get excited about, certainly most people on this site don't give a damn about America, they just wanting to get their names on a ballot somewhere to feed their egos.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[ EDIT ] Majority Whip! Boy . . . . doesn't that just make it cream it's pants.

EDIT-> I wonder - does it realize - that - whipping someone will likely only be gotten away with at the Dick Cheney's ranch and possibly only in places like Ferguson.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

you can make fun of a white supremacist as majority whip if you want to DK, what difference does it make really? do you think Micheal Brown's parents care who the majority whip is? do you think maybe they should? maybe Michael would still be alive, if people cared about things they don't control but ego gets in our way there

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Making fun of? So sorry. I thought I was being derisive.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

yeah I was just in a bad mood sorry, it kind of sucks seeing all these "radicals" working for the GOP.....for a minute there I thought we might actually do something

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Just imagine if we had the largest turnout and the lowest GOP representation in 70+years, the rich would sure as hell be running scared then, but instead they are settling in for many more years of the same seeing how OWS has decided not to do anything.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Thats what we got in 08. And the rich still made out like bandits.

Alan, you remind me of so many older people, totally ingrained in the propaganda from the system, to the point where you are willing to endorse murder and thieving of your own people, just because thats "how it is suppose to be"

You are a nut. And the sooner the nuts like you are done with your mindless pandering and begging of politicians- the same ones that cause the issues mind you- the better off humanity will be.

Lets hear one of these beauties again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou81usHxaEk

Man, you are a trip. Someone that realizes so little, and is played so hard, yet is just so absolutely sure about what has been told to him/her.

Its incredible. People like you are what the machine needs to keep going. Keep coming back for more, begging for more, doing the same actions over and over, the almighty vote, freedum and Murica.

This isnt meant to be rude to you, its meant to try to get you to open your eyes.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Where do I begin? Propaganda? How about the propaganda consistently spouted out to diminish the efforts of the democrats? That propaganda you suck up like mother's milk. Why do you refuse to talk about the fact that people do win elections and those people do things while in office? You demean those who would actually wish to affect real change by influencing public policy and then claim yourself to be sane and reasonable? You pander to the most foolish of emotions that of helplessness claiming that to actually pay attention and making a choice is to somehow to be played as a sap when in fact the only saps are those that don't. Thank you for noting that at least a few here truly do want change and are willing to come here and say so, while so many just keep doing what has always been done staying home when they don't get all they want like children which is where you want to keep them acting like children.

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

frf... I live in DC.... I have personally known many politicians... the current Dems talk & promise a good game ... but never follow thru... it's usually only for political gain... most are just as corrupted as the Reps...

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

now you could... become the head of the DNC and fix them !!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and here I thought OWS was about fixing things not waiting for others to do it..

who did OWS put up against Schumer?

https://occupywallst.org/forum/it-is-time-for-ows-to-get-involved-and-challenge-s/

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I could sit here and bitch about the Dems knowing it might help the GOP but I don't think it is worth it the risk is too great what happens now does matter and letting the GOP win to make a point is childish, resistance must grow up if it is to be effective.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

You will bitch regardless.

Now go endorse more war criminals you hypocrite.

Anyone who is willing to endorse war criminals and then claims others should grow up, is clearly wrapped up in this to the point of being blinded.

Or just a neocon. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

your firends the GOP are not wasting time getting ready to make the rich richer

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/business/house-republicans-change-rules-on-calculating-economic-impact-of-bills.html?_r=0

and cutting people hours at work and taking away their health care

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/08/house-republicans-are-about-to-pass-a-really-bad-idea-re-obamacare/

you can be so proud of getting them war criminal Dems out of there so your friends the GOP can get some stuff you want to done. done!

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You are a sick, depraved, and evil person who lives only to feed your ego. I have yet to hear from you on what you have against spending, or many other topics your only purpose here has always been to elect the GOP.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

and you the !%-GOP!!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Then of course you have noticed or known of Republcons who held the country hostage? Obeying their 1% masters, making American Politics ALL about money$.

[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

your a idiot

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Really? Why & How?

Why aren't you an idiot?

I see it (idiocy) more on your side

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

because you are still picking sides of which enemy you like better

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Enjoy the neutral drum circle while the 1% wins the class war on the 99%.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

well I live in place where there are people and I find them to be self serving as a rule many of them talk a good game but don't follow through, I suppose people can be found almost everywhere and they are almost all pretty much the same, the thing to me is what is the outcome? what are the rules we live by? in other words what is done matters, and the GOP are consistent on one point making the rich richer, it is their driving force and i think the rich are too damn rich so it makes life simple for me defeat a GOP make life better, it won't be perfect but it will be better, now nobody is going to make me King and I hope i would resist any effort to, I know i would resit any effort to make anyone King so barring that i got the VOTE and how to do it to reduce wealth inequality is not that tough to figure out, it is just when you try to fix it all by become de facto King because your ego tells you to that you screw up and end up with the biggest margin of supporters of rich folks getting richer having in over 80 years, this pass election resulted in the rich gaining a big advantage for the foreseeable future and to some extent OWS help make that happen.

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

frf... well ... I as most of us pretty much agree... how-ever why not step back a bit and look at it all from a distance ... I'm not saying that I agree with this... but just trying to understand more details of the problem...

  • I see that some % of the GOP truly believe that by supporting big business (the 1%) that it will boost economy and in turn trickle down to the poor...

  • another % ... believe that the threat of liberal socialism is so dangerous to freedom... that they must support big biz.. to save the country.... !!!

  • another % ... are more concerned about Big Government ... controlling our lives...

  • another % ... are on the take... who have sold their souls for political gain ...

  • another % ... simply find themselves in a situation that they must support the GOP for their economic survival ... (keeping their job)...

  • etc...

Now we can also make a similar list for the Dems....

While I personally believe that supporting the Dems ... for the most part would be better for America's middle class... I also realize that OWS's support of any Party... can only play into and support the 1%'s "divide & conquer" game....

During the last election ... I argued for everyone to vote Dem (one more time) .... only because I believed for the IMMEDIATE term ... it would be best for the People.... how-ever NOW ... that the election is over... we need to return to ;

  • Uniting the People Again ....
  • Uniting the People from both extremes and from all parties" ....
  • Building a 99% ... a Consensus that is focused on Issue/s ... as opposed to Party Alignment...

And that can not be done ... by picking a side ....

in other words... We can pick each and every corrupt politician from all sides ... and expose them ... We can throw support to any good & honest politician from all sides ... and promote them ...

That will start to Un-Divide the Parties and Unite the People...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

none of those % got a quorum of the peoples votes

perhaps, they need to focus on increasing voting participation

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

if three people vote, two have decided who will write the rules, then all will follow or go to jail

congrats on electing them GOP and getting rid of them bomb dropping Dems, I hope you can stay out of jail till next time, I hope I can...

I might remind you that we already got more people in jail than any other country on earth and the GOP show no signs on letting up so it is for real...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I keep coming up with US bombing foreign nations

it's really repetitive

perhaps some new material

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Have you tried voting the GOP completely out of office? Have you studied on how Carter was able to get through four years without bombing anybody? How often do you remind people of Carter's success? It is often that when we don't have the things we want in life it is because we are not taking action to cause them.

of course you keep electing the GOP, what did you expect?

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

your bullcrap feds the 1% "one more time" bullshit you put the GOP into power now live with what they do, do something or get out of the game quit electing the GOP you stupid fool, are you really so stupid that you think it is a close call between the two? then you are stupid as hell or a lying bastard which is it?

the GOP live for one reason to make the rich richer, if you don't know that by now then go read something idiot.

If we tell the truth about the GOP they will lose in vast numbers and the Dems will fall apart from and the revolution will be at hand but idiots like you only care about your own ego driven bullshit.

the only thing that needs to be done is to tell the truth and everything will change

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

The corruption is not propaganda. Its called the votes, the bribes and the legislation.

These are all able to be researched. Its all there for you.

The propaganda is what keeps you believing like a fool.

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I believe the GOP will be taking office in a few days, what do you believe?

Congrats on getting them elected!

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I felt a congrats after 08.

Then got served a big pile of shit.

How you boomers have gone your entire lives believing this garbage is beyond me.

Thank god for millenials, Xers and Occupy.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

ouch - i think these two (smc is the other) are too dumb to feel pain. we did get a pile of shit didn't we. nader, chomsky and others predicted that is what we would get, long before the primaries were over. we should listen to those who saw this coming not the useful idiots who keep telling us that the free market capitalist, oil drilling, war mongering democrats will stop taking all of their money from the .01% and selling out to them.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

well done - now can you send me some articles about how the dems are the party of the poor and oppressed. how they are the party of peace and justice - civil liberties and mainstreet

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

The dems are the lesser of two evils in those regards.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

agreed - now can you send me some articles showing how much lesser they are - can't find any right - come try. come on please. they are lesser just not much lesser

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

do you realize you are making my point - and that of many others here. yes there are differences between the parties. gay marriage - extending unemployment - you forgot abortion, but look around you - the world is melting - the world is being bombed - war famine climate change. your party has nothing but (sometimes) nice words on those subjects. look at home - jobs are disappearing - poverty is sky rocketing - the military is sucking all our tax dollars and they are listenng to us and reading what i am writing right now! do not make me post the facts here. do what you like - work for the dems - but not here at ows - it is not the place

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

It's true that OWS castrated itself at the whorehouse doorstep. But that unfortunate blunder does not in any way preclude or hinder any of us pro-99%, anti-1%, progressive, liberals from using this new website and forum to combat the 1% and the Cult that serves them: The RepubliCons!!! We have been fighting these bastards for decades.

With regard to how things are going politically, Take a civics lesson. This is a democracy, not a dictatorship which Cons prefer. Obstruction and blackmail have stopped all progress and repairs from the Bush-Cheney debacle. It's not from lack of trying.

And then Flips feign inability to comprehend, when they have nothing to come back with, no remedies, nothing but smear. This does not that sound like restoration? Like every RWer in history it sounds like Bull Shit!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

i am not sure since most of what you write is either nonsense or unintelligible but i think you are stupid

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

They, you, feign inability to comprehend, when they, you, have nothing. Who does that work for?

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

more of the same nonsense - the system works for the .01% - as john jay said "those that own the country should govern it" - it has been that way since the founding of the country. both mainstream elite parties work for the same people - comprehend?

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

You Are Plenty Vocal when you have no reply tabs left! How honest and straight forward of you Flip.

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Then why do you keep ripping and naming Democrats in particular when you complain about the government?

Why?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Flip presents a fair point below, if there are any who don't understand that flip works to elect the GOP on the site it would be very surprising.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

are you really that stupid? that is your question? think for a minute - you can do it

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

good thing the fight for violent means can keep the rich in power

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The dems are the lesser of two evils

Truth

Case in point.

Just one example.

GOP top priority in this new position of strength.

Pass approval for the keystone pipeline.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

so is 08 when you decided to start working to elect the GOP? What did it Obama ending waterboarding the day he took office? Were you a big fan of Bush torture days?

You got the people you wanted now we will see how they do.

I guess I should be saying Congratulations on getting back at Obama for letting you down, yo0u being so important and all so the GOP is your way of punishing Obama? You don't care what it does to the country? Of course you don't people like you only care about themselves.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

If you think the torture has ended you are dumber than everyone thought.

How about force feeding people through tubes at Gitmo who simply want to die rather than go on? Would you consider that torture.

If they wanted to really ramp it up, they should make the hostages discuss politics with you haha!

PS- The country gets screwed no matter who gets elected. Thats one of the reasons for OWS. Now take your ass to the Dem Headquarters in Phoenix and start actually practicing what you preach, you crazy old nut.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I said waterboarding, nice try but you're not the first con I've spoken to I know how you guys love your strawman.

The country gets screwed when the people don't vote, you idiot the 1% don't want you to vote they would prefer you stay home and let them run things. You come here and do the 1% work for them because you are stupid as shit.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Lol ya the Obama administration has sat down the CIA and told them to stop doing what they have been doing their entire existence (dumping water on people is probably the least of it).

Also interesting to see that you would consider the force feeding as an example that is not relevant.

Its not a strawman, its another valid example you old kook.

See how far down the lesser of two evils has gotten you to sink in your moral compasse?

You are now endorsing torture. That is sick.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So your position is the GOP is better on torture that's why you support their election?

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

No that is not my position.

Yours is clearly that some torture is acceptable, as you are willing to put your name behind it.

Thats really corrupt dude.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

My position is that the GOP is evil and should be defeated.

You support the election of the GOP, we differ on that point.

So it is your position that nothing is worth doing unless it results in the end of all torture everywhere? or just by the US? so unless we can ensure that a certain action will absolutely result in the end of torture it should not be done? or you are accepting torture? What is your position?

[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

frf, :)

well... imo... the primary reason OWS has not been very influential in politics... is because of this political division....

we have members (of the 99%) ... who are holding on preconceived opinions of the 'other side'

whether right or wrong ... that can only lead no-where...

It's like having two different gangs... who are both doing bad things...

and trying to convince the other one to stop it...

can't be done... forever conflict ..founded on perception... gangA thinks gangB is worse... and vice versa...

but... what can be done... is we can convince both gangA & gangB that specific things are bad and that both should stop it...

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Divide and conquer is extremely easy to pull off on humans.

Even easier when you control the media.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Seriously, is this what our current education system teaches in civics. If so, we are doomed for Idiocracy! Hint: There's a reason that the game pieces in checkers have two distinct colors, and spectator sports have different uniforms and names. Do you need a trophy for showing up for this lesson before you learn?

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

oh Brad you are so naive and I mean that as a compliment it is refreshing, but it is not nearly so "clean" OWS has become ineffective because people came here to ensure that outcome, these people on the site and in the parks that are dumping on the Dems and fretting about being swallowed up by them have been around for decades running into any opportunity to carve out a political base of their own from which they can build their personal power, there are no "gangs" there are the millions who saw hope in the message of OWS "the rich are too damn rich" then there are the thousands that saw opportunity, the thousands began to spread the message "don't vote" reasonable people all over moved away from a stupid message, most people aren't stupid, but still OWS was able to achieve the lowest turnout in over 70 years and the largest GOP margin in the House in over 80 years, so it's not like OWS has had no effect, it has had some

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

frf... remember OWS back when it started ...

there were just as many members picking sides and criticizing the others... not on specifics... but on simple groupie alignment ...

it didn't mater much back then... because there were many more Anarchists who spoke on specifics & issues... and pulled many of the groupies into questioning their previous ideas... that is what movements are about

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

the movement at least the message that brought me and 70% of America to OWS was that the rich are too damn rich, that is the truth, it is a powerful truth, if anyone were willing it could power a movement that would change the world, but the Anarchists and Greens saw opportunity and they killed OWS with their ego driven bullshit

The rich are too damn rich, the GOP work night and day to make the rich richer, it really is that simple, simple truth is the most powerful force on earth.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

it is clear you have never been to a real occupy event. it is clear you do not occupy - what is not clear is why you are here. you should be at the dnc headquarters - oh maybe you are!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

it is clear why you are here to attack and weaken the Dems why you hate them so, one can only guess but you have no such problem with the GOP you love it when they are elected

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

you should take that boundless energy - that ability you have to do the same thing over and over and over and not tire of it - and devote it to something that will make a difference. i realize you are not bright enough to figure out what that might be so i will help you. go to the office your local democratic congressman - volunteer to make phone calls - cold calls - the ones nobody wants to do. you would be great at that job - do it - please!

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You who can't find a difference between Elizabeth Warren and Paul Ryan want to talk about "brightness" how stupid do you have to be not to see a difference in those two, stupid enough to elect the GOP? Oh that's right you are that stupid.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

when lizzie runs i will vote for her - if hillary runs i will not. may not vote - may vote for the green - might vote for rand paul. but i will not vote for another war mongering, right wing, civil liberty bashing, wall street loving, free market maggie thatcher, reagan wanne be. never again. does that sound like any one you know - like your beloved mr obama - romney could not have been worse - well maybe just a bit but we would have had protests all around the country and the world - right?

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So you would allow Jeb Bush to be sworn it before you soiled your hands voting for Hillary? That's how W Bush won, you think your hands are more important than what happens in the world, that is why the planet is dying, because people wouldn't vote for Gore. Just some simple truth and a few facts, the truth is your ego is why we can't fix this thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1cMnM-UJ5U

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

would you like to tell me what he did while in power - did he speak out against the killing of 500,000 iraqi children? i don't remember that - maybe you can find a link for that one. you think gore would have saved the planet - doubtful but i am sure he is writing good stuff in his 10,000 sq ft house and he has a few others no? but the houseboat is solar powered right - sure a few solar panels drive all his power needs. the guy only found religion after office - who needs that . i imagine obama will also along with his ability to make millions like al and billy.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So you are having trouble finding a difference between W Bush and Al Gore are you?

I am not surprised, you are about the stupidest person I have ever encountered.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

did you miss the questions? - would you like to tell me what he did while in power - did he speak out against the killing of 500,000 iraqi children? i don't remember that - maybe you can find a link for that one. you think gore would have saved the planet - doubtful but i am sure he is writing good stuff in his 10,000 sq ft house and he has a few others no? but the houseboat is solar powered right - sure a few solar panels drive all his power needs. the guy only found religion after office - who needs that . i imagine obama will also along with his ability to make millions like al and billy.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

as soon as you explain to me how W Bush performed better, you cannot prevent someone from holding office no matter how much you wish no one did, someone wins and takes the seat, life is about choices, not choosing is still a choice to let others choose for you so you go ahead tell me why you prefer the GOP policies in regards to war and bombing people

as far as "the conservative favorite", the personal attacks about his house and such I will say this, Are we looking a a national saint? I know I am not a saint, if I were rich enough I would ensure that my children and my children's children for as long as the eye could see would never want for a thing, I know myself I know I would therefore I fight for rules that would prevent this, you should read my profile unlike most of you stupid shits I took the time to write one.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

i am sorry - did i say stupid - i should have said unhappy and very stupid

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So this is your version of discourse I ask you a very simple question pertaining to the election of the GOP and its effects, yet you will go to any extreme not to engage. It is clear you have an agenda that of hurting America so that you may have your lockstep government where every person must agree with you or be discarded as you discard the Dems for that very reason. Your stupidity is so evident as to be redundant.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

i am convinced that you are just plain stupid - too bad. no i would not do the same - the fact that you assume everyone is like you shows your stupidity. i need to provide from my retirement - that is all. i would rather not be old and destitute - as far as providing for mine "as far as the eye can see" - well that is for a certain type of person - rich elites like al gore (and wannabes like you it seems) with his boat bigger than my house. the rest of your rant is just more of the usual nonsense - we here at ows want change. exactly how that change will come about nobody knows. what we do know is that it will not be done by doing the same thing as in the past. electing those who serve the masters of mankind. you seem to think that electing dems will solve the problem - fine - work towards that - vote that way. just stop telling us here that it will work - we don't believe it. ok you can tell us but don't expect us to believe it and please - grow up a bit

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So you do know there was an election and the GOP won a bunch of seats right? Talk about growing up, why don't you stop babbling about your pathetic life and grow up and realize that elections have consequences?

I took a looked at your profile, you know by clicking on your name and it tells us all you know, which is nothing you stupid shit.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

very nice sentiment for ows - you want enough money to keep your family in riches for "as long as the eye can see" - i wonder how much that might be? i wonder what your partner in crime (the crime of keeping the ruling class in power) smc would say about you wanting to accumulate all that wealth - at the expense of the 99%. and nice attack on your fellows at ows - unless they have written out a policy statement like you they are stupid. nice - that seems to be your m.o. - "do it my way or you are wrong" - not very inclusive of you but nobody here would be surprised

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

if you don't you are a lying SOB, that's the reason we have the problems we do people looking for saints and aren't any, write rules for real people and things will go much better, do you think you are any different than those you criticize? and you got some gall about the "do it my way" thing you who would rather let the GOP rule than vote for someone who disagrees with you in any way.....you require TOTAL ALLEGIANCE in order to gain your support... me I'm more broad minded, just not so much as to accept those that work to make the rich richer as you do, as long as you don't have to support anyone with less than your vision of perfection.

now would you care for some of that reasonable discourse and speak to , How do we best keep the GOP from winning? or if you prefer tell me why you prefer the GOP again, is it still that thing about it helping to bring about Your Ascension or something like that?

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Another calculated fake disgruntled liberal comment. You know damn well that Warren has no chance to beat Romney. None. Zero. She would lose by double digits. You know damn well that Clinton can beat Romney. So in your ongoing effort to get the greater evil elected, you forge on with your 'support Warren, not Clinton' CRAP.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-readers-beware-our-site-has-been-taken-over-by/

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

you, of course are entitled to your opinion that romney would be worse than clinton but that is not clear to anyone with a brain. anyone who looks at facts and is capable of putting 2 and 2 together. that ain't you babe. predictions a year and a half away from a presidential election are not worth much - even yours - and boy are you stupid with your prediction nonsense. now you and your little brother factless should get out on the street and peddle this shit to someone who you have a chance of persuading - nobody here by that name

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

ROTFL...LMAO...."it is not clear that Clinton would be better than Romney".....you are the biggest idiot on earth I think, really I wasn't sure but seriously you can't see a difference in somebody who has spent the bulk of their adult life trying to obtain universal health care to the person that did the 47% talk? how stupid or ignorant are you? here's a link for old times sake you should get a clue dude...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slFZ8K2aBoY

here is the full version it is really good to know what your friends the GOP think of the rest of us...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge03Sys8SdA

part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBj0joyCeag

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

i did say "to anyone with a brain" - thanks you just proved my point

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I was laughing so hard I forgot; congrats again on your huge win getting rid of them awful Dems, we will just have to wait and see how that turns out, we got no choice now, unless of course you are suggesting some other course of action.....

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

same old course of action - organize organize organize - oh and just to be sure you know that does not mean for the democrats but against the ruling class. sadly the democrats are part of that ruling class - just take a look at those in positions of power in obama's administration - you can look up lizzie's speech on citibank on your own i assume. here is a list of Goldman Sachs Personnel in the Barack Obama White House

Lael Brainard: Brainard is the United States Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs in the administration of Obama.

Gregory Craig: Former White House Counsel, Recently hired by Goldman Sachs.

Thomas Donilon: Deputy National Security Adviser (despite having a career that is mostly involved with domestic politics). Donilon was a lawyer at O’Melveny and Myers and made almost $4 million representing meltdown clients including Penny Pritzker (of Chicago) and Goldman Sachs.

William C. Dudley: President and Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, partner and managing director at Goldman Sachs and was the firm’s chief U.S. economist for a decade.

Douglas Elmendorf: Obama Director of the Congressional Budget Office in January 2009, replaced Furman as Director of the Hamilton Project (Note that the Hamilton Project was funded by Robert Rubin and Goldman Sachs).

Rahm Emanuel: Obama Chief of Staff, on the payroll of Goldman Sachs receiving $3,000 per month from the firm to “introduce us to people", in the words of one Goldman Sachs partner at the time.

Dianna Farrell: Obama Administration: Deputy Director, National Economic Council. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Financial Analyst.

Stephen Friedman: Obama Administration: Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Board Member (Chairman 1990-94; Director 2005).

Michael Frohman: Robert Rubin’s Chief of Staff while Rubin served as Secretary of the Treasury and an Obama “head hunter” according to “Rubin Proteges Change Their Tune as They Join Obama’s Team” in the New York Times.

Anne Fudge: Appointed to Obama budget deficit reduction committee. Fudge has been the PR craftsman for some of America’s largest corporations. She sits, according to the Washington Post, as a Trustee of the Brookings Institution within which the Hamilton Project is embedded.

Jason Furman: Directed economic policy for the Obama Presidential Campaign, served as the second Director of the Hamilton Project after Peter Orszag’s departure for the Obama administration.

Mark Gallogly: Sits on the Hamilton Project’s advisory council. He is also, according to Wikipedia, currently a member of President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board.

Timothy Geithner: Secretary of the Treasury, former President of the New York Fed. a former managing director of Goldman Sachs.

Gary Gensler: Obama Administration: Commissioner of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner and Co-head of Finance.

Michael Greenstone: The 4th Director of the Hamilton Project. Just as attorney Craig went from advising Obama to defending Goldman Sachs against the SEC complaint, Greenstone has used the revolving door to go from an Obama economic adviser position to one of the Goldman Sachs outlets - in this case its think tank embedded in the Brookings Institution and funded by Goldman Sachs and Robert Rubin. All 3 previous Directors of the Hamilton Project work in the Obama administration.

Robert Hormats: Obama Administration: Undersecretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs, State Department. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs Group.

Neel Kashkari: Served under Treasury Secretary Paulson (a former Goldman Sachs CEO) and was kept on by Obama after his inauguration for a limited period to work on TARP oversight. Former Vice President of Goldman Sachs in San Francisco where he led Goldman’s Information Technology Security Investment Banking practice.

Karen Kornbluh: (Sometimes called "Obama’s brain") Obama Ambassador to the OECD. Was Deputy Chief of Staff to 'Mr. Goldman Sachs', Robert Rubin.

Jacob "Jack" Lew: The United States Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources. According to Wikipedia, Lew sits on the Brookings-Rubin funded Hamilton Project Advisory Board. He also served with Robert Rubin in Bill Clinton’s cabinet as Director of OMB David Lipton: Now on Obama’s National Economic Council and the National Security Council. Lipton worked with Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner on the US response to the Asian financial crisis of the 1990’s. MergeFoundations reports that Lipton worked closely with Robert Rubin.

Emil Michael: White House Fellow. Former investment banker with Goldman Sachs. Eric Mindich: Former chief strategy officer of New York-based Goldman Sachs, started Eton Park in 2004 with $3.5 billion, at the time one of the biggest hedge-fund launches ever. .....

Philip Murphy: Obama Administration: Ambassador to Germany. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Head of Goldman Sachs, Frankfurt. Barack Obama: Obama owes his career to Goldman Sachs which was not only his biggest financial contributor when he ran for the Presidency, but was also his biggest contributor when he ran for the US Senate.

Peter Orszag: Obama Budget Director. Founding director of the Hamilton Project, funded by Goldman Sachs and Robert Rubin. Wikipedia indicates that Robert Rubin, Goldman’s ex-CEO, was one of Orszag’s mentors.

Mark Patterson: Obama Administration: Chief of Staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geitner. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Lobbyist 2005-2008; Vice President for Government Relations.

Mark Peterson: Chief of staff to Timothy Geithner. Goldman Sachs Vice President and lobbyist.

Steve Ratner: The shady billionaire financier who Obama appointed as his “car czar” and who resigned after it was revealed that his company, the Quadrangle Group, was apparently involved in “pay to play” for a billion dollars or so of New York State pension funds, and was under possible indictment by the New York AG and the SEC. Sits on the Advisory Council of the Goldman funded Hamilton Project.

Robert Reischauer: A member of the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission from 2000-2009 and was its Vice Chair from 2001-2008. He too sits on the Hamilton Project’s advisory board.

Alice Rivlin: Obama named Alice Rivlin to his so-called Deficit Reduction Commission.

James Rubin: Son of Robert Rubin. Served as a 'headhunter' for Obama per the New York Times article, "Rubin Proteges Change Their Tune as They Join Obama’s Team". Gene Sperling: Advisor to Timothy Geithner on bailouts. Sperling paid by Goldman Sachs for one year of consulting work.

Adam Storch: Obama Managing Executive of the Security and Exchange Commission’s Division of Enforcement. Former Vice President in the Goldman Sachs Business Intelligence Group.

Larry Summers: Obama chief economic adviser and head of the National Economic Counsel. Worked under Robert Rubin at Goldman Sachs.

John Thain: Obama Administration: Advisor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Former Goldman Sachs Title: President and Chief Operating Officer (1999-2003).

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

"and just to be sure you know that does not mean for the democrats but against the ruling class"

you divide the left and elect the GOP you are responsible for what the GOP do that is the truth

Your attacks elect the GOP now live with what you have done!

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

you always have something (mostly boring and stupid) to say but you never seem to be able to respond to this charge - "sadly the democrats are part of that ruling class"

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

sadly the GOP are worst and they are in control due in part to people like you, I never claim that the Dems are perfect but I have no problem finding huge differences in the two parties positions as I am not dumb as dirt, nor do I have a alternative agenda as you do, I think the rich are too damn rich and we should do something about it, and it is very easy to see that removing the GOP from office is an essential step in that process. You don't give a damn about anything but your stupid Green Party.

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Careful, I might have to throw my long record of making accurate predictions in your face again.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-readers-beware-our-site-has-been-taken-over-by/

[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

ha ha ha - for all you stupidity i must say you do have a sense of humor. i almost always find intelligence goes with a good sense of humor but there are always exceptions

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

what we have is another example of intentional omission of information

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (2927) 1 month ago that law is not law without social consensus

and prisons can't hold your imagination, and bombs can't kill your dreams, I think I see where you're going with this, still I think it would be a damn to be able to create so much change with just a little truth and not do it

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

strange isn't it - how some can see only certain "facts"

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I would have failed my classes if I presented a table without labels

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You mean like omitting the fact that the winners write laws no matter how many people vote?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

that law is not law without social consensus

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Warren would kick Romney's butt all over the country, Al Gore beats them both, Hillary will not be the nominee....but if she is I will do all I can to make sure she wins, the other outcome we simply can't survive, the SCOTUS appointments alone would kill us,

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Warren is the far lesser evil in my book. But I don't believe she has a chance. If I'm proven wrong, I will certainly vote for her. But my guess is that it will come down to Clinton and Romney. In which case, I will vote for Clinton.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The Atlantic may disagree I also posted this, those folks are pretty smart over at The Atlantic

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/01/run-warren-run/384490/

I am still hoping Gore will jump in, but he is making a lot of money these days it would be a big step down for him, the way I figure it though, Hillary is making a lot of money too and I think she may like money more than Gore does....you see Warren is almost as old as Hillary, only 18 months younger, 2020 she would be 70, and 2024 74, so it's sort of now or never for her too. One thing I am pretty sure of Hillary won't be it, the only thing I don't know is how many people are "in" on it, I don't know even if hillary knows this, I am a poor judge of what others know sometimes things are so obvious to me it is hard for for me to know when it is not actually easy to see.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I am pretty sure nobody "occupies" anymore not since the stinking Greens infected OWS there hasn't been anyone at Cesar Chavez Plaza in a long time I was at the meeting for the anniversary planning a long time ago but there was a Green there stinking up the place so of course nothing ever came of it.

[-] 3 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 2 years ago

Occupy is everywhere now, and has coalesced with like-minded groups.

"Pretend inferiority and encourage arrogance." Sun Tzu

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

well they may be "everywhere" but they were once much easier to see at the Plaza so no I don't hang out down there anymore, but you can see the effects of OWS when you look at the largest GOP majority in over 80 years being sworn in...the silent resistance certainly has it's effect...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

it would seem occupy is "everywhere" but the voting booth, it must be a vacation...

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

Thanks for making my point

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

oh you did that here

https://occupywallst.org/forum/one-who-hates-the-dems-explains-their-motives-good/

where you admit you help elect the GOP and why you do it

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Think on this guys I will ask the question tomorrow, has anyone posting here ever met a Green candidate that wasn't a ego driven bullshit artist? Because everyone of them I have met is. Now that's not to say that it is an uncommon characteristic among politicians it certainly is but why put the GOP into power in an effort to trade one bullshit artist for another. Kill the GOP and the system will fall, think on it, it is the only way to really bring this thing down.