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Forum Post: Lest we forget this early support for OWS from Pres Obama

Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 23, 2012, 8:33 a.m. EST by VQkag2 (16478)
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Obama: "Occupy Wall Street" reflects "broad-based frustration"

By Lucy Madison

Updated: 12:54 p.m. ET

President Obama on Thursday called the "Occupy Wall Street" protests a reflection of a "broad-based frustration about how our financial system works" and pledged to continue fighting to protect American consumers.

The president, speaking at a press conference, said he had heard about and seen television reports on the recent protests on Wall Street, and noted that "I think it expresses the frustrations that the American people feel."

"We had the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression - huge collateral damage throughout the country, all across main street. And yet, you are still seeing some of the same folks who acted irresponsibly trying to crack down on abusive practices that got us in the situation in the first place," Mr. Obama told reporters. "I think people are frustrated."

Thousands of Americans have gathered in downtown Manhattan over the last two-and-a-half weeks to protest greed, corruption, and economic inequality in the American economic system. The demonstrations, which started off as a relatively unheralded effort by a couple hundred mostly young people, have grown into what may be a burgeoning movement: On Wednesday, a diverse group of unions, having concluded that the demonstrators may have started something important, marched in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street.

In recent days, demonstrators across the country have joined in on the protests to express their anger over the wobbly economy and what they see as corporate greed.Many of those protesting reject both political parties, saying they've been corrupted by corporate money and are concerned primarily with helping the rich.

Mr. Obama sympathized with the protesters' frustrations on Thursday but contended that the most effective way to fight corruption on Wall Street was through strict consumer protection measures.

"American people understand that not everybody's been following the rules," he said. "These days, a lot of folks doing the right thing are not rewarded. A lot of folks who are not doing the right thing are rewarded. That will express itself until 2012 and beyond until people feel they are getting back to old-fashioned American values."

Mr. Obama said he had "used up a lot of political capital to...make sure that we prevented a financial meltdown," pointing to his push for passage of the Dodd-Frank consumer protection act in 2010. He also pointed to the creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Board as a measure designed to protect American consumers from Wall Street.

He conceded, however, that a number of Republicans were actively trying to derail those measures.

Mr. Obama noted the difficulty he has had in getting congressional approval for a director for the CFPB -- most recently with Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray, who he has tapped to head up the bureau.

"This is a guy who is well-regarded in his home state of Ohio, has been the treasurer of Ohio, the attorney general of Ohio," Mr. Obama said. "Republicans and Democrats in Ohio all say that he is a serious person who looks out for consumers. He has a good reputation."

Yet, he said, "Republicans have threatened not to confirm him, not because of anything he's done, but because they want to roll back the whole notion of having a consumer watchdog."

"You've got Republican presidential candidates whose main economic policy proposals is, 'We'll get rid of the financial reforms that are designed to prevent the abuses that got us into this mess in the first place,'" he added.

"That does not make sense to the American people. They are frustrated by it, and they will continue to be frustrated by it until they get a sense that everybody's playing by the same set of rules and that you're rewarded for responsibility and doing the right thing as opposed to gaming the system."

Mr. Obama argued that these measures were so important, however, because so many of the actions that caused the 2008 financial crisis were not "necessarily illegal" but rather "immoral or inappropriate or reckless."

"The financial sector is very creative, and they are always looking for ways to make money," he said. "If there are loopholes and rules that can be bent and arbitrage to be had, they will take advantage of it."

As a result, he said, many of the actions that led to the country's current economic straits were not punishable -- or even preventable -- without the imposition of measures outlined in the Dodd-Frank Act, or protections guaranteed under the CPFB.

"I think part of people's frustrations, part of my frustration, was a lot of practices that should not have been allowed weren't necessarily against the law, but they had a huge destructive impact," he said. "And that's why it was important for us to put in place financial rules that protect the American people from reckless decision-making and irresponsible behavior."

He pledged: "I'm going to be fighting every inch of the way here in Washington to make sure that we have a consumer watchdog that is preventing abusive practices by the financial sector."

Lucy Madison Lucy Madison is a political reporter for CBSNews.com.



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[-] 3 points by electron (-492) 11 years ago

dem plant

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

I'm not a plant! I'm a mammal. Are you anti dem partisan republican paid shill/troll?

[-] 5 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

VQ, do you admit that Obama called out the National Park Police to clear out Occupy DC? I know you're not particularly bothered by the piles of dead bodies Obama created in Afghanistan, but when he hits us, your friends, your comrades, you can't expect us to like him.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

I expect everyone to be a little sophisticated. This country has moved right for 30 years. We have been taken over by right wing 1% plutocrats. They have exploited the 9/11 attacks to create a fear that has brought us the violation of our civil rights and allowed the police cart blanche in dealing with protesters (us).

The PTB will not give up power easily. This Pres has begun the long slow process of undoing this. He has failed at changing the situation because of the republican 1% plutocrat resistance.

Certainly the police have been abusive and excessive in the past before Pres Obama, but I have seen no evidence the Pres Obama called out any local police. I will look at a link if you have one

I'm in NYC. We've dealt with police abuse and went to court. That's how it works! We must get the police on camera being abusive so that we can sue and change the police state we live in.

I can't blame Pres Obama for local police action. That isn't fair. And therr are many issues to consider when we are faced with 2 options. Pres Obama IS the better option.

[-] 3 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

We were on the Mall, out of the jurisdiction of local police. The chief pig in the National Park Police is appointed by your guy, the Pig-in-Chief.

VQ, I don't share electron's feelings about you. I wish you well. I really hope that after Obama finishes suppressing us, he doesn't come after you, but I know if he does, you'll find some excuse for him.

You make Obama sound as if he were a kind guard in a concentration camp who wanted to help the inmates, but couldn't really do much because the commandant (republicans) is watching to see that he keeps up to the appropriate level of viciousness.
[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

"concentration camp"? So now you are comparing him to the Nazis?

Would that make us the 12 million Jews/gypsies/poles/africans that were stripped, starved, experimented on, raped, beaten, and gased?

Are you kidding? Have you lost all sense of reality?

That is offensive and I believe against the forum rules.

Is there any evidence besides the fact that the guy who ordered the police action was appointed by Pres Obama? I'm still willing to look at it.

Please refrain from the unhinged offensive exaggerations. It isn't productive.

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

Comparisons are about similarity AND differences.

If I wanted to get huffy like you and talk about what's offensive and against the rules, how about your support for a man who has had us attacked, beaten, and arrested? Don't you see anything wrong with going to the victims of a crime and asking for support for the criminal responsible for the crime.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Stil no evidence that Pres Obama ordered your arrest.?

Hey grow a bigger set! We must protest! get beaten (on film) and arrested if we are to change things!

That's HOW it works! You can't take it? Don't protest! Expect to be beaten! We honor those before us who werebeaten! Some who gave "the last full measure of devotion"!

Not everyone understands these risks, and sacrifices. Not everyone is committed enough to make them.

You might be honored if you could handle it better. Keep protesting, stand tall, We ARE with you! Stay strong! Do not waver. Change is coming if we want it.

Refrain from the hysterical Nazi accusations. It does not become you. It is beneath this great movement.

[-] 2 points by electron (-492) 11 years ago

Don't bother. He's a dem plant from moveon.org. He's paid to turn this website into an Obama love fest. If Obama pulled the trigger, he would say that he slipped.


[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 11 years ago

I am left wing. Far left. Obama and Romeny are both right wing.

You come from moveon.org. You are here to corrupt this wonderful site.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 11 years ago

LOLOL !!! See your : "Honestly (sic), I don't understand why people want to cap salaries. There's no logic in this. What does it matter if your neighbor is making millions. It has no effect on your life. Dropping salaries won't mean that the poor will get richer. The idea of equality in salaries, or more equality, is bunk.", from ....

Re. "You are here to corrupt this wonderful site" ... I could NOT have said it better if I tried !

Obomber and Rmoney ARE "right wing" ; No Doubt ! & You 'Trashy' are somewhere in between !!

temet nosce ...

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

You are a liar!. I am independent. Not working for Moveon.org. You claim you don't want to engage politically and today you begin with political attacks. What happened to your lie that you want to discuss street activism.?

Was that more lies? Try the truth it is life affirming!

[-] -2 points by werone (-37) 11 years ago

Hey, what org is more progressive and active BO (before OWS) than Moveon??

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Beats me. why? Moveon was a '90's creation. I've been protesting with no nuke groups, pro era, greenpeace, Amnesty Int, and others through 6 decades since I'm 6 yrs old! Progressive groups are many. Which have you supported.?

[-] 0 points by werone (-37) 11 years ago

So then why is MO a subject of aversion?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

"subject of aversion"? What do you mean?

[-] 0 points by werone (-37) 11 years ago

Being "from MO" is somehow bad. I wish I worked for them.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

This guy electron is attempting to attack me personally by suggesting I am working for Moveon.org. I am not. However, of course I said I support them. They are a progressive movement who like me recognizes the republicans as our biggest common enemy.

Electron appears to me to be a republican who attacks any pro dem opinion here with lies and obscene verbal insults.

[-] 0 points by werone (-37) 11 years ago


[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

I don't even think he is an anarchist! Anarchist are supposed to allow all opinions.

He seems more like an anti dem partisan repub. I mean he has said that the repub trolls on this site should be left alone so I think that is an important fact to remember.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 11 years ago

Still red baiting VQkag?....naughty...naughty...naughty

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8314) from Phoenix, AZ 11 years ago

and people were saying you had been banned I knew that was bullshit....

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

He is risen again to annoy us all.


There must be something we can do to stop him!

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 11 years ago

It was no bs, I was.....happy to see me back?

[-] -1 points by insupportofOdin (-25) 11 years ago

Anarchist are supposed to allow all opinions.

You haven't talked to many anarchists. They are extremely hard headed. And, who ever said they are supposed to allow all opinions? That's certainly not in the definition of anarchy.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Well if they won't allow my opinion why would care what they think.? Believe it or not I think my opinion is valuable, and should be allowed.

Why would their opinion matter? Are they the deciders? Are they the leaders of our leaderless movement? And why do you speak for them?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Oh well. I could be wrong. I've been wrong before. I'll be wrong again!

I guess I have no idea what anarchists want or are working on.

Do you think they would not "allow" my opinion?

[-] -1 points by insupportofOdin (-25) 11 years ago

Yes, I do think that since it belongs on moveon.org, not here. Partisan politics can be helpful in the moveon.org context, or within other groups that push for the progressive solutions, but it hurts and divides Occupy which should be protesting against the whole system including people in the 1% like Obama. I'm not surprised you don't realize that though. It's sad, but not surprising.

[-] -1 points by electron (-492) 11 years ago

You've been protesting since you are 6 years old and have no argument other than calling OWS protesters who don't believe in Obama republican shills? (It's not even an argument, it's flawed 3 point logic.)

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

I have many more, deeply layered, profoundly diverse opinions that go well beyond this embryonic movement.

I reject your simplistic, dishonest (again!) description that I "have no argument other than calling OWS protesters who don't believe in Obama republican shills"

I do NOT believe that! I have never said that! That is just another in a long line of your lies!


[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

the republicans are obama's biggest cheer leaders

I heard at the republican convention that Obama is their unifying message

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

They hate him! They have weakened his fin reform, health reform, recovery plan, and the economic recovery of the nation because of their hatred for Pres Obama.

Republicans are not Pres Obamas biggest cheerleaders, The republicans are OUR biggest enemies.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

so we're the republicans greatest cheer leaders ?

then perhaps we should vote for Obama

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

I do not cheer for my biggest enemy.

You should vote your conscious. I hope you consider the issues that affect the 99%. Cal is solid blue. If you vote 3rd party it could serve as a message to Pres Obama/Dems.

Good luck to you in all your good work!

[-] -2 points by electron (-492) 11 years ago

Before discussing street activism, we have to get the moveon.org political shills off this site. That would be you and your Twinkle Team.

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Aaah! 1st negative attacks! I think you have let your hostility, & fear consume you.

"fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering" Y

This is the way of the dark side. Embrace love and you will have peace.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 11 years ago

after 10 months he finally comments weird how most of the protest on the streets stopped

would of like to hear something better than that earlier

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

This article was written Oct 6 2011! So he expressed his support a few weeks after we started. We weren't interested. We attack him for every mistake he makes.

You don't remember?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 11 years ago

yeah i vaguely remember him saying that we had a some understood problems

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

We don't want no dem support! (repubs attack us so no worries there) but support?. fuck that bullshit! They can go kiss our ass!

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 11 years ago

hmmm so serious question then if you dont want support of dems why are you supporting them

honestly ive been waiting and was hugely disappointing with no OWS party

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

I'm reg independent but support dem agenda and progressives in general.

I believe Dems are OWS natural supporters but the party has much problems that we the people must make an effort to co opt.

OWS is pretty adament about not getting involved in politics.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 11 years ago

Haven't there been numerous Democrat mayors who have evicted Occupy groups all around the country?

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

I suppose. Why?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 11 years ago

yeah i wouldn't say dems are for us in a overall sense they are on certain issues but other issues they are not

if OWS had its own party then it would be different story about being in politics. we dont want to involve our selves in partisan in terms of dems and reds politics.

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

because the whole system is broken, owned by the 1%. We MUST take it back. Someway, Anyway. There is nothing the people united can't do.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 11 years ago

yeah we can its starts locally with local government. Rome wasnt built in a day and neither can a revolution happen in that short of time

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

No we gotta be committed for years. patience & fortitude (like the lions @the public library.)

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

No we gotta be committed for years. patience & fortitude (like the lions @the public library.)

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 11 years ago

Let's try to be realistic here. Giving Obama every benefit if the doubt he never "supported" Occupy any more than he walked the picket line in Wisconsin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o

He made a remark about Occupy when it was actually still popular in which he tried to nimbly link his name to "the frustrations" not Occupy. And we know that later his White House staff coordinated police attacks in mainly Democratic party governed cities while he was conveniently not in the country.

I advocate voting for him in spite of knowing this. I think a fascist/racist electoral victory will be a terrible setback to the movement and will demoralize the Democrats' base which also happens to be more or less Occupy's natural base of support. I had hope in Occupy and I still hope it can find its way forward. I look forward to the DNC actions and Sept 17 and have hope that they are going to find a way to ignite the debt question which if they do that, well, all bets are off for the one percent. I understand and have some sympathy with young people who are so pissed off they do not want to go near the election with a ten foot pole. Myself I last voted in 1968 for Eldridge Cleaver. I see this one as too too important to be holier than anyone.

(edit) You can call me a liar but i was driving my taxi down Broadway when the police attacked. Much to my confusion it was uniformed officers of I C E who were directing traffic away from the scene of the "cleanup."

http://occupywallst.org/article/nypd-raiding-liberty-square/#comment-356754 http://www.roundtree7.com/2012/05/dhs-and-whitehouse-helped-coordinate-attacks-on-occupy-protest/

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

You are not really wrong about most of this.

I would say that early on many dems overtly embraced OWS and were rebuffed. So naturally the dems stepped back. But the Dems do support the OWS agenda/goals/positions, accept the attacks on dems I guess.

[-] 2 points by insupportofOdin (-25) 11 years ago

The democrats are a ring wing party and Obama is part of the 1%. They do not support the ideas of Occupy. If they did, Occupy would not even be needed.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Anti dem/Obama partisan lies!

Wouldn't Odin say no politics/partisanship?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

did the dems raise taxes on the rich?

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago


No! Dems Tried! defeated by repubs!

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

they had a major in the house and the senate in 2009-2010

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

The senate requires a majority of 60. they didn't have that and repubs used the filibuster to stop the dem efforts.

Dems tried. Repubs defeated! Remember?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago


[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

I guess that's why you asked. I suspect you aren't convinced, or satisfied?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 11 years ago

perfect example of why the Rs must be voted out

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Even if we have Pres Obamas verbal support we must continue protesting, growing the movement, joining up with like minded groups. And fighting for progressive solutions to the catastrophe of conservative policies.

(Sorry just went off automatically.)

[-] -2 points by pacodeIariviera (-4) 11 years ago

Yes! Viva el Obama!

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 11 years ago

Where was the support when protesters were savagely beaten and tear gassed over an entire month in different states in the country where he is president?

I don't remember Obama walking out in the streets to meet with the people.

Why did the executive branch DOJ let Goldman off the hook?

Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Why has Obama bombed 6 countries?

Talk is cheap. Show me voting records and legislation that back all that talk.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Pres Obama has not visited OWS because we are against him!


DOJ/Goldman? Weak fin reg that repubs created to protect indiv execs! (I'm for imprisoning fin execs)

Afghan war? To win re election must be seen as string on defense? (I'm against)

6 Country Bombing? To win re election must be seen as strong against terror? (I'm against the drone bombings & the war on terror)

You want evidence to back up what? My opinion?

Stop! get over your self.

Replace conservatives with progressives.!

[-] 0 points by werone (-37) 11 years ago

Maddow: Democratic Voter Registration 'Devastated' in Florida By Diane Sweet Crossposted from Occupy America

Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews discussed some newly released data that reveals the effects of new Republican Voter ID legislation on the numbers of newly registered voters, and compared the numbers to those of previous election periods. The results are startling.

Rachel begins:

"Nikki Haley signed a law last year making it harder to vote in South Carolina. You have to show documentation you never had to show before, and that 200,000 people in her state, who are legal voters, it's documentation they do not have. There was one point on this issue about voter suppression , making it harder to vote that I want to particularly highlight, because we are in Florida tonight. We're heading into Ann Romney 's speech, but keep in mind the importance of the location in which this speech is happening. This is probably going to be the highest profile moment of the entire convention, we're going to get from Ann Romney , except maybe her husband's speech. But in the state of Florida, where tonight's Republican convention is being held, last July, Republicans in the state passed a whole slew of new restrictions that make it harder to register to vote in the state."

"Voting rights activists at the time said it would disproportionately affect minority voters who tend to lean Democratic. Those activists appear to be proven right."

"Today the Florida Times Union released some remarkable new analysis on voter registration in Florida that Ialmost cannot believe. In the lead up to the '04 Presidential Election , look at this. This is what the increase in voter registration looked like on the Democratic side. That was '04, 159,000 new Democrats registered to vote over that time period . In '08, same time period , 13 months, it was pretty much the same story, right. Democratic voter registration surging in the same time period before the election. But then last year, Florida republicans made it harder to register to vote in the state. Look at what has happened in the lead up to this year's election over an equivalent time period . Look. New Democratic voter registration has disappeared in Florida. It has fallen off a cliff, over the same amount of time -- look, the Republican numbers have been basically static."

"The way they have changed these laws in these states have partisan outcomes. Voter registration drives like the ones that were crimped in Florida tend to get Democrats signed up. You get rid of those, you get rid of Democratic voters. Thanks in part to these new republican laws, Democratic voter registration has been absolutely devastated in florida heading into the 2012 election. Since the beginning of last year, its 19 states that have put in place strict new barriers to voting or barriers to registering to vote, barriers that have never been there before in modern times -- but which you just heard Nikki Haley defend to the Republican National Convention audience -- and which got her a rather lusty round of cheering from that audience."

Joined by Chris Matthews, he adds "Wherever this issue of voter ID, and more difficult voter registration or participation gets in these proposed changes that are now law, the more the Republicans cheer. of course, we had the legislative leader up in Harrisburg openly saying this will help Romney carry the state. It's blatantly partisan. And I have to tell you, I was talking to the Reverend Jesse Jackson today, and he points out there's a real strategy here. One is suppression, the other is frustration of minority voters. Not just stopping them from voting, discourage them because it's so hard to do. In states like Pennsylvania, you have to go back to the cities of your birth in South Carolina, and you have to come up with the documentation. It's also encouraging white anger. It's an interesting pincer that is their plan here." Tags: Chris Matthews, data, Democrats, Election 2012, Gov. Nikki Haley, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Rachel Maddow, registration, Republican National Convention, Republicans, RNC, Voter ID, Voters, voting

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

And what do you have to say about this?

[-] 0 points by werone (-37) 11 years ago

If people watching the Republican Convention do no hear and see deception, lies and evil; then we should all meet at option post nine!!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

"option post nine"? ok I'm with you! where is that.?

[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 11 years ago

In 2005, with Katrina survivors entrapped in their attics above the rush of a rising tide, FEMA redirected all volunteers to GA to attend days of sensitivity training; not only had the Fed assumed that only pink, be-freckled, and tan people would respond but also that those who traveled hundreds if not thousands of miles to do so were highly insensitive individuals. In short, they were afraid we'd let the black people drown and embarrass them on the national television.

This is your government on drugs... it's been high since the 60s.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago


[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 11 years ago

Attach whatever moniker you prefer... this government is "insane."

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago


[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Can some please start a petition to get this hack to stop posting blatant misleading shit CONSTANTLY.

Imagine people coming to this site looking for something new and this is the first damn thing they see.....jeez...

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Please refrain from peronal attacks on me and attempts to silence me, or have me banned.

Thank you


[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

OWS doesnt want Obama's backing, because we value peace.


[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Anti obama partisanship!

OWS doesn't take positions on particular candidates as far as I know.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

You are correct, they don't. Most find 100% useless.

Ps- partisan is when you favor one over another. Declaring the entire system a fraud is not partisan.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Thanks. Also if you attack one over the other!


[-] -3 points by pacodelariviera (-34) 11 years ago

Obama is the future. With him, there will be little need for OWS. He will bring change for the poor and needy. We should all vote for Obama. I think OWS should organize voter registration for the democratic party. That would be the best way to start the new school year.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

All people should be registered. A strong progressive (OWS) protest movement will always be necessary please do not listen to this anti OWS propaganda!

Elect progressives, Vote out anti public option republicans

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 11 years ago

"... little need for OWS..."

I think there will always be a need for OWS and other movements like it, simply because people get complacent. They stop paying attention as long as they are employed, earn a fair wage, live a reasonably comfortable life, all these things tend to shift focus away from events and onto personal pursuits.

We need movements that make the noise the complacent population will hear, not just in election years, but every year.

Think back as I have done, Lake Michigan dread from pollution, a river burning for months (I'm going to make you work to find that one, look it up), again pollutants...a movement making enough noise might have saved the lake and prevented the river fire...Yes, Lake Michigan is once again a living lake, but the cost was huge, both in loss and in the clean up efforts.

I think we will always need a movement bringing attention to the disparity in incomes, a living wage rather than a minimum wage.

We need a movement which if fluid enough to address such things as banking laws, campaign finance, foreclosures of homes, and hundreds of other things. OWS is fluid, it's already been making noises and it has influenced thousands both here in the US and abroad as those aboard have influenced OWS.

I keep pointing out that there are two fronts in this 'war'...the one we see OWS in the streets, the other we don't have operatives in yet and there need to be...

I don't believe our system is broken, I think it's been damaged, I know it leaks, and there are visible holes...but it can be repaired and in some places rebuilt, restored, made whole, and improved.

But it won't happen if we don't make it happen, if we don't seek to 'hold the line' while working at putting into place workable solutions...if we don't participate in the few parts of the system that are still working some what...

That means vote, participate, build a platform, nominate candidates, get in to the trenches, get dirty. Help build a foundation that will hold up the the structure for at least a thousand years.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

I agree. Our system IS damaged, and I submit it is so because progressives have gotten complacent, expecting everything to be given to them, or beaten down with decades of successful attacks like "tax & spend liberals", "weak on defense/crime lefties".

The system is damaged because an active, robust progressive protest movement has disappeared. We must resurrect this concept. Democracy only works if we work at it. All the time, not just during elections.

It will take years, and much work. Politicians can't do anything for the 99% without the 99%.

[-] 2 points by insupportofOdin (-25) 11 years ago

Our system IS damaged, and I submit it is so because progressives have gotten complacent, expecting everything to be given to them, or beaten down with decades of successful attacks like "tax & spend liberals", "weak on defense/crime lefties".

This is a flawed analysis and, as such, demonstrates a complete failure to understand the problem. The system is broken, so, it does not matter if parties inside that system are progressive or not. If the problem is only that the democrats are not progressive enough, then the system would not be broken, only a party within it. You're mixing two problems.

Your idea that fixing the democrat party by making them more progressive will also fix the system is bunk.

Your agenda would make much more sense on a site like moveon.org. There, taken the side of the democrats makes sense. On this site, on which we are supposed to fight the whole system, it hurts us when someone pushes for a particular party.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

My statement you cited refers to progressive people! Not the Dem party! So YOUR analysis is flawed! I'm not hurting anyone when I speak the truth. Their is no flaw in my analysis.

These are just more of your attempts to silence me, or push me out to moveon.org.

This site MUST address the peoples lack of involvement in their governance. We encourage everyone to join this movement in order to create systemic improvement to resolve the problems that affect the 99%.