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Forum Post: It is an OutRAGE

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 17, 2012, 9:06 a.m. EST by ZenDog (20504) from South Burlington, VT
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Yes, it is. At least, I find it so. In the wake of this latest incident everyone seems finally ready to get up, off the couch and demand gun legislation. I do not oppose sensible gun legislation - not at all.

I oppose SILENCE.

It is said the latest perpetrator suffered from aspergers. The mentally ill rarely go on killing sprees - and almost never on their own.

I personally know several people, perhaps scores of them, subjected to the labels of our mental health community, and with that all of the scorn and derision that goes with it - to say nothing of the neuro-leptic malaise foisted upon them through modern pharmacology - and for no other reason other than someone fucked with them in a very powerful, and particular manner.

You can tell - when someone begins insisting anything regarding aliens and they become nervous, their voice trembles, their hands shake, you know - they have been spanked by a human engineer.

There are no aliens - it's just another lie, told by actors on a stage.

And while we are shocked by this latest incident, no one mentions the abundance of death as American children fight for control over street corner sales territory - gun violence which has itself killed far more of our children in the last year than all four of the latest mass shootings combined.


I am sick of the lies. Just as I am sick of the silence.

More people will die. That is absolutely certain. So while you agitate, for greater gun control and for changes among our mental health community, consider carefully. Any of you - or your own children - may be next.

The next icon of death, designed to instill fear - to instill obedience, to instill silence.

The next chemically restrained victim of our scientific achievement.


In the shadow of silence

cowardice breeds -

tears born of horror

become a river of shame.




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[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20504) from South Burlington, VT 8 months ago

Deleted yourself, eh, asswipe? What did you say?


[-] 0 points by juliuscezar (0) 0 minutes ago

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so . . . what . . . do you intend to indicate some level of hypocrisy on my part?

well listen up mutherfuker - What I advocate here is nothing more than the result of an awareness of what already is, and the utter impossibility of doing FUKALL about it unless something changes . . .

Such changes may include:

  • just speaking honestly about the possibilities that the technology already presents

  • presenting the real prospect of harnessing the technology for private sector application

and if you happen to think that attempting to do anything about such programs

  • by whatever means possible

is the least bit hypocritical

then all I can say is kiss my ass.

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[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20504) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago
  • without Justice

  • there can be no peace.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Truth: There are plenty of groups that don't get fair, equitable, or reasonable treatment.

1) Mentally Ill were warehoused in the US at least up to the 1980s. I'm sure there have been good pockets of care, good doctors, and good facilities though.
2) Prisoners don't get Reform. There is no reform program in Prison. We do allow their Egos to expand in prison. They can Lift weights to feel power. Often there are gangs that are allowed to roam and pick out victims to feel power. Often prisons have plenty of drugs to keep brains confused, create power structures, and create wealth structures.
3) Indians on reservations seem to have been deprived of Water Systems, Electricty, Paved Roads, Adequate Housing, ... not really sure about their educations systems. BOIA under the Department of Interior seems to dole out funds as they find time. Seems to be a kind of Repression of Native American's ... that could easily be fixed with relatively small funding. Seems they are just made to be an example of what other than Eurpean culture looks like.
4) Anthrologogy and Archeology in the USA has been late coming and controlled from what I gather. European Settlers seem to have destroyed artifacts and built over ruins as a normal practice. Corporations lose profits if mining or build was delayed. Personally the acedemic efforts to reveal anthropology of our land falls way short.
5) The Ethnocentric History told and taught to our kids in K-12 makes the government sound like a bunch of nice guys always looking for nice things to do ... our wars always defensive and only for justice ... the patriotism of of government, military, and wars unquestionable, ... the fact that we have been involved in covert efforts to change democratically elected governments in foregin countries goes unmentioned ... the use of the US Military to visit Violence on foreigners in their countries as a service to corporate interests in the 19th century is unremarked ... The effect of war and the violence values of military service prevades the US culture and has never been discussed nor has the usefullness of American Patriotism, Militarism, and the usefulness of our Violence to corporate Interest ever been explored, discussed, addressed or admitted.

Clearly there are winners and losers in Capitalism or our Mixed Economy in our Limited Republic in the USA. Money is created our of thin air in the form of credit and loans. This makes money for those given permission to create money. You have to work to pay off your loans and your debt. But notice how upset capitalists get if you give away housing, education, food, or a standard of living ... Capitalist seem to be protesting that they can't get a peice of the "Rent" on the give away programs That is really why we don't know our history, don't know what is going on in government, why we go to War, why we suppress people, why the Media no longer Investigates the Rich and Powerful unless given the greenlight, and why our lives are being controlled.

The Protests from the Wealthy or Controlling Interests ...are all about wanting to make money off the services and programs ...that a benefitial government would provide. And the influence of Money is what prevents congressmen from listening to the middle class, the poor, or the Liberals to Improve Life.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20504) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago
  • yes
[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What would you consider "sensible gun legislation"?

What would you support in dealing with the "death as American children fight for control over street corner sales territory"?

What do you recommend we do to deal with the potential for the small percentage of mentally ill who go on shooting sprees.?

I agree with you silence is a big part of the problem. You've never had that problem, I want to hear your proposals.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20504) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

What would you consider "sensible gun legislation"?

I don't know. I assume civilization may crumble into obscurity amid the violence fostered in the struggle to survive - just about the time the Greenland Ice Sheet disappears . . . given that consideration I'd just as soon assemble an arsenal of fine U.S. made military grade weapons and ammunition as made be found anywhere - and therefore I'm probably not the best suited to make judgements on what types of gun control may or may not be affective in curbing the gun violence we see today.

What I do know - with an absolute certainty - is that killing engineered for political considerations will not end with gun legislation.


What would you support in dealing with the "death as American children fight for control over street corner sales territory"?

I've said it before -

  • Either we must enforce the law

  • or we must change the law

It really isn't rocket science.


What do you recommend we do to deal with the potential for the small percentage of mentally ill who go on shooting sprees.?

Determine, with precise detail, the exact causes and contributing influences. Let us see with utter clarity those instances of mass or serial murder that are nothing more nor less than the product of human engineering. A deliberate outcome as the result of a precise and carefully mapped sequence of steps.

Let us then have our measure of Justice.

Only then may we begin to consider what, if any, social redesign may be necessary to accommodate the needs of the mentally ill in modern society. Surely gun legislation will have no impact in curbing violence among this subset of the population. The answer lies elsewhere.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

"What I do know - with absolute certainty - is that killing engineered for political consideration will not end with gun control" --------- Excellent Statement

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20504) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

many people around this forum seem to accept that the mental health industry over medicates the citizens. Young and old alike. Yet we want to turn to them for solutions -

and no one says shit about the war on drugs.

Let alone the dirty tricks I have seen for myself and can now replicate.

It's absolute bullshit. It makes me furious.

More people will die.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

The elite make fortunes off drugs. The British East India Company (Rothschilds) started it with opium in the 1690s. And today, it all continues on with all the terror and murder. Those at bottom go to corporate prisons, which again enriches the elite.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"social redesign" sounds hood. I submit the Stigma attached to mentally ill children creates a need to cover up, hide, play down, even deny the existence of said mental illness. As a result (as in this case perhaps) the child/adult does not get the appropriate treatment/supervision.

So in there attempt to "keep up with the joneses" the family of the shooter pretended he was ok and that negligence enabled his killing spree.