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Forum Post: it is a flood of newbie troll crap !!!

Posted 1 year ago on Sept. 16, 2012, 4:16 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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they must be VERY scared

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[-] 2 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

This forum is dominated not by social activists but by a handful of Dem political apologetics. And OWS would certainly be better off without them.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

My only regret is that I have but one twinkle to give for that comment.

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

Alrighty then, stinkles it shall be - on your guard, sir: !

[-] 1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

lol scared lol whatever helps you sleep at nite!! (new troll by the way)

[-] 1 points by throaway (57) 1 year ago

Old Troll here, who hasn't had a good night's sleep since Obama moved onto Penn Ave

[-] 0 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

I just joined this site 24 hours ago, and read the rules very carefully before I posted anything or made any comments.

It is absolutely clear that the rules are hardly being observed. The amount of trolling, flaming and outright absurdity is unbelievable. It is as if these rules don't exist or they site doesn't care to hold the fire to people's behinds who without rhyme, reason, or reservation roam the site in order to muffle constructive conversation.

It is very difficult to interact with genuine users while this behavior goes unchecked. One guy assumes I am another, another guy is calling me TechJunkie, another saying he sees my IP and associating me with 2 other names, another doing nothing but starting arguments with commentators posting constructive positive dialogue, and the crap goes on... and I've only just joined the site barely 24 hours.

At what point do the moderators step in to curb this behavior?

[-] -1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

Until they do. A common bit of wisdom is "If you don't feed the trolls, eventually they go away." Perhaps this issue is more in our own hands to deal with than we might imagine.

I mean we know there is no point. Arguing, but for what? Trying to have an intelligent, reasonable discourse. If in a few exchanges you cannot achieve this end, /ignore and then the usual behavior must change. Most trolls desire to be acknowledged. They are usually attention seekers who don't mind it good or bad.

If we can exercise this discipline collectively, for the most part, they should disappear. Although I don't doubt they'll quit trying to get a rise of many of us immediately. Stick to the discipline though. Being consistent is probably the most effective thing we can do to curb this unwanted behavior without having to task the moderators with a nearly impossible job.

[-] -1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

Why feed the troll any longer? Dignifying it with a response has proven to be counter-productive and downright wasteful. I detest wastefulness on every conceivable level.

Its over, because I said so. done here...

[-] -3 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

Richard, are you talking to yourself now? You're using Anomilus to reply to Anomilus? Have you gone nuts? What's with this strange anomaly? Just come back as richardkentgates to show us you are OK. I'm starting to worry now.

[-] -2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

That is indeed truly odd. It appears a bit like somebody forgot to switch user accounts when they were playing a sock puppet game.

[+] -4 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

Richard has been acting very strangely in the last week. I'm a bit worried about him to tell you the truth. I like the guy. First he left and said he wouldn't come back. Then he came back as Archimedes, and now Anomilus. He also came back as the original richardkentgates today. Maybe he got confused like you say and forgot to change his users. I don't know. I just hope he's OK.

[-] -1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Maybe it's an experiment in performance art. Kind of like flipping the script on sock puppetry. Multiple personalities within the same sock puppet talking out loud to themselves.

[-] -3 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

That's sort of how I consider my work here. I don't know about richard. I think he was trying to pass himself off as me when he used the Archimedes character. Who knows. Anyhow, there is only on Man of a Million Monikers here and that's me.

[-] -1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

When I came back here after a few months off, I thought that it was pretty funny how everybody here is so obsessed with you but yet they still can't spell "Thrasymaque".

You're these people's Trotsky The Saboteur. People in the USSR spent decades after the revolution blaming everything that went wrong on a conspiracy directed by Trotsky. He was their version of Satan, who they blamed for all ills. You seem to be this forum's version of him.

[-] -2 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

Do you know how many times shooz and others blamed me for destroying OWS? My reply was always that if one person on one forum can destroy OWS then OWS was never strong to begin with. They fail to understand this. I never came here with the intention of being a "troll". I was made a "troll". I have always supported OWS, but I don't follow it like a cult member. I criticize what I see as being harmful for OWS because I want the protest to be the best that it can be. I don't know why, but Americans seem very upset when a person criticizes. For some reason, they don't understand that critiques should be considered as good friends. So yeah, they considered me a "troll" and I just played with it. It's not important. I'm mostly here to practice writing and to share some ideas. Their logical fallacies cannot hurt those ideas, and if they need someone to blame the failings of OWS on, then so be it, I'll take the blame. In any case, there are few intellectuals here. You're a good poster and I hope you don't get banned. If people keep getting banned like this, the forum will be left with DKAtoday's and shooz's and will then sink in badly formed rhetoric.

[-] 3 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

You may be this guy, you may be that guy......hell, you may not even be a guy, but in the end all you've ever been is a badly written soap opera.

I repeat..................a BADLY written soap opera.

[+] -4 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

Perhaps you are correct. My interpretation of you is a man obsessed with the use of logical fallacies such as ad hominem, red herrings galore, appeal to motive, appeal to authority, argumentum verbosium, argumentum ad ignorantiam, and the list goes on and on and on.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

You are a red herring. You always will be.

Face that simple fact and get on with your life.

Soap opera boy.

You've yet to add anything of positive importance to anything here.

Ever.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

trashy monster? U still trying to hide behind your lies for the benefit of misleading any new people to the forum?

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

New people? I think I've been here for a month or two longer than him.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Not U and U should know better then to support the trashy. New people - people who look in but don't necessarily participate.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Why do you automatically assume that I "support the trashy" simply because I'm capable of having a respectful conversation with another person? I personally think that many of his actions over the last year really have crossed the line into troll behavior, and I consider that to be a lack of discipline on his part, just like partisanship is a lack of discipline for an Occupier. And just like snarky condescension is a failure of discipline on my part when I do that. But should that opinion prevent me from having a respectful conversation with him as a fellow human being? He says a lot of things that make a lot of sense as well. You have to take the good with the bad, in all people.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

People are people and will have varying opinions and perspectives - honest people can have respectful and meaningful conversations. But to say you are gonna have a respectful conversation with a forum attacker ( trashy ) is silly to say the least.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

I have done just that many times. It's really not that difficult to have a respectful conversation with a person who doesn't necessarily agree with you. Most people learn to do that by kindergarten.

[-] -2 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

You've been here 22 days more than I.

[-] -3 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

Mislead new people to the forum? You think new people arriving here have been mislead? Was it your hope that they would have ended up at moveon.org instead? I don't care why people make it here, whether they are mislead to this site or come here in full consciousness, I am happy to have new users that make this site grow. Most new users have been VQkag2 and your sock puppets you have been creating lately. My hope is to have new genuine users.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

Soap opera alert!!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

At least it is on an appropriate thread for it - Hey?

[-] 1 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

It certainly is...........:)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So we can call this thread the entertainment relief thread - a place for the useless distractions of the shills.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U are the sock puppet user and VQ who did a stupid thing in using sock puppets. U however have always attacked this site and have in the past called it useless and a waste of time - in your various attacks in trying to get the site shut down. Now you are trying a new tack - a new tack for those who do not know your past - a seeming support of this site and OWS and all Occupy groups and movements.

U will fail - as U always fail - as U always let your mask slip.

Don't know why the moderators don't boot your ass immediately. Instead they let you play for awhile before booting your ass again and again and again.

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[-] 0 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

This happens after almost every action day.

The "wingers" get all riled up, and come up with stuff like "picking on bigots is bigotry".

OWS is dead...........again.

Obama did this or that.

Oh yeah...and why can't OWS be just like the teabagge(R)s?

I'm surprised they haven't dragged abortion back into the mess.

[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

The best way to stop them is by sticking to topics that focus on progressive taxation and stimulus. They can talk about NDAA and the military -industrial complex all day, because that stuff is Ron Drawl approved.

[-] 3 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

We've been out numbered in here for the last few days.

Besides, my last thread on inequity took a pretty fast fall.

I didn't make the title lurid enough to be noticed?

[-] 3 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

I've been using the search function to try to find stuff, I guess I missed it. This one got buried pretty fast:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-we-should-not-focus-on-the-national-debt-at-le/

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

make a list of those threads that focus on progressive taxation and stimulus. and support them with comments

[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Dude, I've been searching and there are hardly ANY. You have to go back like a year.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

start a thread

or if you like

Forum Topics

[-] 2 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

I started this thread earlier today. It's a very non-libertarin anti-Ron Drawl thread against debt-mongering. Feel free to post a response.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-we-should-not-focus-on-the-national-debt-at-le/

[-] 0 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

This place has been a libe(R)tarian playground since it went live, so nothing new there, although they are less likely these days to admit their allegiance.

Preferring of course, to claim non-partisanship.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

"picking on bigots is bigotry".

I was hearing that line last night. Sometimes it's entertaining.

[-] 3 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Uh no I was telling you that blanket hatred for entire groups of people based on labels is bigotry.

There was the additional subtext that it's ironic for a liberal to express bigotry against the far right, since bigotry and intolerance is one of the things that theoretically liberals are opposed to.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Well, when we fought the British for independence we had to make an exception, Royalists and Loyalists were bastards. Today their the GOP. Life, it's full of exceptions, nuance and lesser evils.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Ah so you're another one of those people. Unable to look beyond your own ideological prejudices in order to work to unite the 99% against government corruption.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-ground-one-way-forward-there-should-be-no-c/

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I'll work with anyone who's for truth. justice and the American way.

Teabaggers are Astro Turf!

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Are you the latest guy here who thinks that I'm a Tea Partier because I typed the words "Tea Party"? You failed to read or understand any of what was written on that page but you saw the words "Tea Party" and had a knee-jerk reflex to pull out the "tea baggers" slur and start talking about Koch brothers astroturfing?

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Facts and reality, they have a liberal bias and a conservative aversion. Don't worry, I won't attack you. I've seen the fallacious post, and I know all about the teabags, that's all.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Right, yes, confirmed. You're yet another Occupier who is unable to look beyond your own ideological prejudices in order to work for what's best for the entire 99%.

This site's URL may as well just redirect to http://www.barackobama.com

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Don't sit there and spew your teabag downturn capitulation and claim we don't accept other views. Yours stink, get some new ones.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Right, okay, I'm pushing for people to rise above the partisan squabbling that divides us and keeps the entire 99% down -- and you respond by labeling me a tea bagger while insisting that you accept other views. You're a walking oxymoron.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You sound a lot like hc. I'll try and be more understanding with you later. Now you just sound like hc.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

They frequently attack together! More than 1 user here has identified them as divisive, anti dem partisan repubs.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

We have bigger fish to fry.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Agreed. Best to ignore them, if possible.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

I'm pushing both of you and the other rabid partisans to look beyond the left/right dichotomy and recognize that the entire 99% is in this together and that we need to work together in order to make our country better.

What you're pushing for is the status quo. More of the same partisan squabbling that has never accomplished anything. You're actively fighting against progress and against half of the 99%.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

In your opinion.!

I believe I'm fighting for an economic strategy that will benefit the 99%. That will create real fairness. That will correct the unfair redistribution of wealth from the 99% to the 1%.

I think you are fighting for the 1%. I think you are acloset tea party supporter who comes here to personally attack OWS supporters. You appear to just want to twist words, and be divisive. You are frequently attacking dems & Pres Obama, and praising tea party/conservatives.

So we disagree. 'sok. We're allowed to disagree. It's good.

We agree on money out of politics but not on an economic recovery plan.

I support stimulus, tax increases on the 1%, & defense cuts!

What do you support?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

There was the additional subtext that it's ironic for a liberal to express bigotry against the far right, since bigotry and intolerance is one of the things that theoretically liberals are opposed to.

absolutely - I hate bigots, classists, and racists. I hate them.

YOu get the irony but cannot appreciate it. You advocate listening to the conservative agenda - you advocate a fair hearing to those who will not be content until they have it all . . .

History has a fine lesson on appeasement going back to 1935 - 39.

Go surrender if you like. Prostrate yourself before the greed of fools who in their lust for profit remove not just the wool but rather the whole hide . . .

I never will.

  • never
[-] 2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Haha, "I'm not a bigot but I hate those fools."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimenides_paradox

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I am neither conservative nor cretin - and therefore the paradox takes on a slightly different flavor.

to treat bigots and racists with their own abuse - is this not poetic justice?

.

Repelican -

is a term of approbation,

a proof,

derogatory in nature,

intended to shame

and to ridicule

those who run for high office

upon a platform of lies before the whole world

and have not the decency to blush bright crimson.

they are reprehensible.

they are repulsive.

they are repellent.

they are repeliccans . . . .

.

© D. Winter 2011

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Cons

Nor-man Gold-man

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Aww, I'm sad that you're unable to comprehend the paradox. Very disappointing.

[-] -3 points by alva (-442) 1 year ago

so whats your opinion of democrat obama , the doj and fast and furious? this govt gave guns to mexican drug cartels, the end game was supposed to result in complete gun control meaning the abolishment of the 2nd ammendent. this dem president supported the ovethrow of gadaffi, supplying the insurgents with tens of millions of $ worth of high tech American guns. do you think that al queeda didnt notice all those guns? they were used to murder the american ambassador. the phoney film story of why the muslims were rioting and killing is just that, a phoney story. the dems kept pushing that lie until they couldnt. rice ( us ambassador the the UN ) lied and so did hillary. things got out of control with muslims in the mid east, africa, and other places , rioting. the 47% story re romney wasnt planned to be put out until late october, but was put out now to re-focus the news cycle. obama and jarrett are dirty. the goal of this administration is to subjugate the entire population. you get what they say you get in terms of food and shelter. i am NOT a conspriracy theorist. pay attention. look beyond your small world problems. nothing in politiccs happens by chance, things are connected.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

my take? My take is you are insane.

YOu should go join the All In John Bolton Crazy Campaign

[-] 0 points by alva (-442) 1 year ago

why did rice say this was because of a film trailer and hillary said the same thing, now hillary said that this pre-planned,. why a change in the " official " explanation?. why are ads being run in pakistan , with obama and hillary still apoligizing for the film? any comment on fast & furious? see this adminstration for what is , not what you want to think it is.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I see you for what you are - a terrified wingnut conservative fool intent on madness

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

AKA (R) Zombie. Walking Dead.

[-] -1 points by alva (-442) 1 year ago

no, i am a realist. you call me names ( certainly your right to do so) but offer no rebuttal on what i posted.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

well yeah

it isn't credible.

You call yourself a realist? yet cannot differentiate between an administration that is eager to beat the drum of fear and one that is desperate to avoid it?

What can I say? you're nuts - it isn't my fault. I had nothing to do with it.

[-] 0 points by alva (-442) 1 year ago

obama supported ( and supplied with arms) the " arab spring" knowing it would put the muslim brotherhood in power. do you undertand what the muslims brotherhood is? do you know that they are responsible for the muder of anwar sadat?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

( and supplied with arms)

whom did he supply arms to?

[-] 1 points by alva (-442) 1 year ago

the muslim brotherhood. in both egypt and libya.ever hear of huma abedin? she's hillarys closest aide, she was member fo the muslim student association which is a front group for the muslim brotherhood.she ws the head of their social committee. her mother, father and brother are afilliated with the muslim brotherhood, the muslim sisterhood, and the IMMA, and the world assembly of muslim youth. all these groups espouse terrorism , anti semitism and and anti american policies. and married to former congressman anthony weiner( D-NY) he had to resign due to the ( semi) nude pictures he posted of himself on the web. bill officiated at their wedding.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Hey, I know you! You're that NUT that calls Alan Colmes all the time.

Admit you get your talking points from the Savage Weeny!!

[-] -2 points by alva (-442) 1 year ago

i dont know the person ( people ?) you're talking about.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

How many teeth you missing?

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

As you can clearly see from his hopelessly polarized world view, he watches a lot of television. He seems to be talking about something relating to the pundit circus on 24-hour news channels.

[-] 0 points by alva (-442) 1 year ago

thanks for the explanation.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh so now you speak for 2 billion muslims in the world.

Or are you pushing this lie to continue perpetrating the fear mongering republicans began 11 years ago after they exploited the 9/11 attacks in order to wage 2 illegal wars, and violate our constitutional rights.?

Don't be so afraid that you let the govt trample our rights & the constitution.

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[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You sound anti muslim. Like that wacko Bachman. Forget the anti dem partisanship & support the solutions that can correct the conservative policy debacle and help the 99%.

[-] -2 points by alva (-442) 1 year ago

muslims are anti YOU.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

building bombs 'til bunkers boil

getting paid for shell filled toil

if I am to work tomorrow

lobe the load on foreign soil


yep US only pays 41% of the total world military budget

World Military budget in Billions (percent total) by Nation

  • 1,630 World Total
  • 711 United States 41%
  • 143 China 8.2%
  • 71.9 Russia 4.1%
  • 62.7 United Kingdom 3.6 %
  • 62.5 France 3.6%
  • 54.5 Japan 3.3&
  • 48.2 Saudi Arabia 2.8%
  • 46.8 India 2.5%
  • 46.7 Germany 2.8%
  • 37.0 Italy 2.3%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures


Global Arms Sales By Supplier Nations

39% United States

18% Russia

8% France

7% United Kingdom

5% Germany

3% China

3% Italy

11% Other European

5% Others

http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business#GlobalArmsSalesBySupplierNations


TOP 10 Arms Produces

Notes: An S denotes a subsidiary company. A dash (–) indicates that the company did not rank among the SIPRI Top 100 for 2009

  • Lockheed Martin USA 35,730 33,430 78
  • BAE Systems UK 32,880 32,540 95
  • Boeing USA 31,360 32,300 49
  • Northrop Grumman USA 28,150 27,000 81
  • General Dynamics USA 23,940 23,380 74
  • Raytheon USA 22,980 23,080 91
  • BAE Systems Inc. (BAE Systems, UK) USA 17,900 19,280 100
  • EADS Trans-European 16,360 15,930 27
  • Finmeccanica Italy 14,410 13,280 58 +L-3 Communications USA 13,070 13,010 83
  • United Technologies USA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/mar/02/arms-sales-top-100-producers


Widow Winchester's riffle wealth warped her house.

Stairs to ceilings. Windows to walls.

Always slept in a new room,

hiding from shot souls

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Iceland.

80-90% Voter turnout! Banksters in prison! Nationalization of Vulture Capitalist Banks! Zero fraudulent wars for Big$!

http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/iceland-victory-president-of-iceland-tells-us-how-he-had-balls-to-stop-taxpayers-out-banksters-explains-why-world-needs-to-rethink-its-addiction-to-finance-iceland-declares-independence-from-inte/

46 days to get started getting out our inner Iceland!

[-] 1 points by Doglover (10) from Denver, CO 1 year ago

Can we really trust the numbers the governments of China and Russia release on arms sales?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

not at all

although bulk is hard to hide

so my guess is the numbers are fairly accurate

[-] 1 points by Doglover (10) from Denver, CO 1 year ago

Probably not. Especially on China with all their spending on a deepwater navy.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

bite me

[-] 1 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

They get so faux serious when you point out how absurd that is.

As though not to accept such BS is some kind of affrontery.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

it can be fun watching them completely ignore the reality that is modern conservative politics.

it is the very definition of insanity

we cannot appease conservatives - for they will not be content until they have enslaved us all.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/gop_lawmaker_lazy_people_should_not_vote_20120920/

They will even defend that crap.

Not to mention it seems to always herald a return of our old nemesis.

Here again under 2 names in 2 days.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

It looks like he is currently using SirJohnKnowsALot and Anomilus - quite possibly techjunkie, and probably several others as well.

I wonder what he gets out of that?

[-] 1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

Don't associate me with TechJunkie I have my own site, ideals, and identity and in no way want to be involved with TJ in any way. He trolls and flames, accuses people of 'slurring' news organization, enjoys recreational drugs and confuses comments at a moments whim.

I am happily available to have cool conversation with anyone willing to discuss doing something constructive. No offense taken, I know he is quite unbearable, I just don't want to be lumped in with a personality like his. I don't recall having any kind of exchange and hope you don't mind clearing my good name sir.

In the meantime if you think I am anyone other than myself, instead of falsely accusing innocent users of being him, alert a moderator or admin and they can solve the problem and inform you that I am certainly NOT TechJunkie.

Have a good one.

[-] -2 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

We know, your are not TechJunkie, you are richardkentgates as your IP indicates quite clearly.

Have a good one sir.

[-] 1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

Whatever that is supposed to mean. You cannot see my IP. So quit slandering my name. I wasn't aware this is what is common on this site. It is kind of depressing to see a place with such potential devolved to this kind of Bullshit.

/me thinks it is time for moderators to begin reigning this behavior in.

[-] -1 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

The only BS is that you were richardkentgates 2 minutes ago and now you've logged in as Anomilus. Why the trickery? You're being like VQkag2 now? Just be like me and make it obvious who you are. And dude, don't use ancient Greek names like Archimedes again. That makes people think you are me, and I am you. And yes, I can see your IP. That's how I know that Archimedes, Anomilus, and richardkentgates are the same person, unless they are all using the same library computer.

[-] 1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

You sound like a complete ass. Report it to a moderator, and see what happens. Nothing, because you are full of shit. Proxies are detectable with freeware these days.

Legitimize your insanity by using that abuse email, and making a fool of yourself. Don't worry I won't hold my breath for an apology.

You probably aren't a real person. What genuine occupy supporter would use the handle of rothschildthe3rd(spelling on your part ya)? You're here to sew confusion and discord among those who are really here to collaborate and advance #OWS. In fact, whoever hired you is probably more afraid of actual conversation and progress that you and many others like you have only one job here and that is to waste other people's time and 'hope' to discredit those users that will crush your masters...

Oh... sorry I was just playing along with your lunacy.... next.

Better still, not next. Alert a moderator if you suspect some imaginary abuse of multiple accounts. I don't have any more time to waste with a fake shadow hiding behind a name. You aren't even real, you're a fake, a phony, nobody knows who you are and thank you for showing how completely irrelevant anything you say really is.

[-] -3 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

I'm not going to report this Richard. It doesn't bother me if you want to use many sock puppets. Just remember that I'm The Man of a Million Monikers around here. It's my super power. Why copy it? I'm sure you can find a super power of your own. You're a cook. Use that to your advantage.

You know I'm from Bard. You figured that out a few weeks ago. Nobody is hiding anymore.

My current username was specially designed to go against one of arturo's New World Order conspiracy theories. I'm not really part of the Global Elite, don't worry.

[-] 1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

yaaaawns

you'll have to do better.

[-] -3 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

Just log out and log back in as richardkentgates. I replied to a few of your comments and I would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks Richie.

[-] 1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

It just throws its own feces on it's own face. No substance, no legitimacy. just a hollow individual with no standing.

Where are the moderators?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

multiple perspectives

[-] 1 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

He once admitted to me that he set his puppets up in such a way as to allow him to "loan" them out. Whatever that means.

So it could be him, or it could be some other form of pretender. It really doesn't matter.

I attack BS where I can, when I can, in whatever way I can.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

That is interesting. I wonder if he is making money that way. If he is, it would be really interesting to identify and then turn him.

If he is loaning them out, then an understanding of the terms and the intent would be highly instructive - to say nothing of the potential for embarrassment to . . . individuals of means, wherever they may intersect the political apparatus - when direct connections can be made.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

All I can do is engage the user and call him on the BS, there's never a lack of that, although it's been repetitious of late.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

the whole point may be to wear us down and nothing else

[-] 2 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

Bore us to death is the more likely result.

It's like threads based on FLAKESnews crap. Like suddenly they learned integrity.

Like suddenly they aren't FLAKESnews anymore.

LOL

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

big Media must change because of the internet

[-] 2 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

Yeah, they play youtube clips now. Woop.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

yep, anyone can broadcast these days

[-] 2 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

That's the thing, there's even less integrity in that.

[-] 0 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

They have a typical MO:

  1. Dems are the same as Repubs, don't bother to vote!
  2. Its the debt!
  3. Its the federal reserve!
  4. Liberals have taken over the forum! lol
  5. Let's focus on what we agree on (useless side issues)
[-] 3 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Confusion, ignorance, skulduggery, and misplaced defiance aside, we have a pretty good forum. But I don't think politics suits some/many on here. That said, let's get out our inner Iceland ~ 80-90% Voter turnout, Banksters in jail ~ 46 days and counting!

Here's ten MO: http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/10-desperate-and-depressed-conservative-reactions-romneys-47-percent-moment?paging=off

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Iceland definitely got it right! I heard something about how the new course being set by female politicians.

Maybe that's what we should try!? Certainly 80-90% turnout would do the trick. I support mandatory universal sufferage! It's what the 1% fear the most.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

First female president.

They fell for the Bankster fraud, but they refused the bailout and instead nationalized their asses and assets! What we should have done and relocated Wall Street to strip malls on main street!

This is what turnout could get us. This is what Big$ turnout and sacrifice is getting the 1%.

We have 46 days to get out our inner Iceland!!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

If only!. It is what we need. It will have to be next cycle. This time we will have same barely 60% turnout (or less if repub suppress plans work)

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

One step at a time.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Good to see a reasonable forward thinker on the forum. Most are chased away by a few closet right wingers so be careful & stay strong.

Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Leh Valensa has gone to the dark side. Solidarity often turns to que sera sera.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well. He's done much good I believe. I will let his recent mistake slide. It hasn't really hurt the progressive movement. And it certainly didn't overshadow the romney gaffs on that trip. LMFAO!

That was entertaining.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Except the rest of the world thinks we think Twit's a viable POTUS!!

I thought the conventions were very telling. And the peanut gallery Dem bashing I saw on here.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh there was a massive effort to attack dems during the conventions. I was very busy. but they had no lasting affect.

This site needs to shake off the preoccupation with anti Obamaism. Whatever mistakes, failures, weaknesses he exhibits we need to be focused on real progressive solutions.

Not because it is democrat (dems have moved right in the last 30 years) but because it is the best thing for the 99%

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

What astounds me is that his opposition blatantly gangs up on him, a dozen boots on his neck, in plain view for the world to see, and they say "See, he won't even stand up!" And then people take that in and say how disappointed they are that Obama won't stand up! It's like some weird hypnosis or Body Snatcher pod people thing.

Nevertheless, look at all the accomplishments they made in the few working days they had the House and the Senate. Think of what could have been accomplished if the tens of millions of newbie voters didn't fall for the obstructionist dog pile right before their eyes, letting all the teabaggers sweep into congress and state governments. We need to go Iceland. We need to exercise our majority!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Too many progressives went to sleep after we elected Pres Obama. But we are awake now, And I hear Obama (& other dems) just today saying they have to govern by going to, and using the people as leverage.

That is where large protests might have impact.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

It's Alive! Occupy Actions Across the Country Show the Movement's Impact: http://www.alternet.org/activism/its-alive-occupy-actions-across-country-show-movements-impact

Click on WI flag for closer humor: http://www.prairie2.com/2012/09/reality-is-setting-in.html

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Good article - gr8 for welcoming the day of global protest against fracking.

Repeat: http://www.alternet.org/activism/its-alive-occupy-actions-across-country-show-movements-impact

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

And heres a little graphic that hopefully you can see.

http://www.nationofchange.org/occupy-movement-bears-fruit-1347980872

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You're out of replies, below.

Hey, have you followed this Iceland thing? I knew that they got majorly screwed by the whole Chicago School of economics scam/debacle, but thanks to a tip by Builder, I have just now researched all the legal - citizen - electoral - police and Interpol action these awesome people have gotten busy with! We should really really copy Iceland!!

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Then follow Iceland's example.

Their first step is direct democracy via internet voting.

Get on it.

Further to that, numbers are what make for change.

The more people you can get onside, with the most individual IP addresses, the more sway your org can have.

Get on it. I'm down under. You know. That place south of the border that is the same size as the US of A? With a tenth of the population base.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I suppose I don't know everything but I support everything I've read as well as the outcome.

I'm on board with direct democracy, certainly the prosecution of bankers, What else is there?

How do we get there.?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The protests are going to have to get much, much larger than the ones we saw last Sept-Dec if its going to get an impact.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I guess we should just give up. We should all just find a corner to crawl into and let the greedy, selfish republicans dismantle SS & medicare.

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[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

You didn't understand my last point. OWS should be a democratic place for us to unify behind our common goals of fighting unemployment and inequity.

OWS should NOT be a place for fringe radicals, right and left, to randomly gripe until we find issues in common. THAT sir will get us nowhere.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago
  1. Many Demos support the military industrial complex as do repubs
  2. We pay more in interest than taxes.
  3. The federal reserve gives and loans money to established private. Banks then loan the money at higher interest
  4. Liberal is a vague term.
  5. Let's focus debate on non fiscal issues
[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

OWS has been derailed by trolls and infiltrators who have the intent of avoiding the topic of fiscal policy.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

such threads exist but we are not derailed by them on the forum

[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

How many threads in the last month have to do with income disparity or unemployment? What about progressive taxation? What about stimulus? Where the hell are those threads?

[-] 3 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

They get buried in all the bullshit and soap operas.

That happens to a lot of important threads.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

The soap operas about how wrong Republicans are, you mean? The stuff that you post? It's funny to see you complaining about that when you're one of the worst culprits.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

Not really what I was referring to, though I don't find it a surprise that that is all you can see.

Why don't you explain to me how the (R)epelican'ts are correct, and how they are willing to give in for the sake of compromise.

To find that "middle ground" you are trying to claim.

So far, I have seen no evidence for that in anything you've had to say since your return.

[-] 2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

That's exactly the response that I was expecting.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

Yours too........Vapid, uninformative and unresponsive, with an air of faux superiority.

[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

The "unconditional basic income" thread is interesting. Still, nothing on basic stimulus. Nothing on progressive taxation. Closing tax loophole for the rich and corporations.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

start a thread on basic stimulus and support it

the poor will spend the money providing basic stimulus

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

I've been posting this link over and over all week and trying to focus on that instead of partisan squabbling, but I've mostly been shouted down by conservaphobes.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-ground-one-way-forward-there-should-be-no-c/

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Teabags are Astro Turf.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Who's giving Wall Street trillions of dollars?

The Federal Reserve is one of many problems. Along with money in politics. Endless wars. Illegal drones. Income inequality. Corporate takeover... Private Prisons...Assault on unions...etc.

If you don't think the federal reserve is part of the problem look at the trillion dollars they gave to Bank of America.

One of the tasks of the Federal Reserve is to foster a maximum employment economy. Where's the maximum employment?

They have chosen to use nonmonetary policies to do that. Unlimited resources for the banks... nothing for the people.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/money_12848.htm

The government owes money to the federal reserve, almost 2 trillion. All because the federal reserve created money out of nothing to buy the government debt.

The Fed creates money out of nothing... they give it to banks... the banks keep it on deposit... fat cat city for CEO and they give themselves fat bonuses.

7.7 trillion dollars to banks from the Fed - Democrat Dennis Kucinich explains to Congress - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1dkZShYP78

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

There's a difference between liberals and blind party supporters.

[-] 2 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Dude, I guarantee that nobody here is a blind supporter of the Democratic party. Why else would we be here? I'm sure that any of the "liberals" here could go on for days criticizing the Dems. That statement is just totally bogus.

For the record, I think the problem with libertarian trolls is their blind free-market fundamentalism, not allegiance to the Rs.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

That's a fair point and it's similar to my criticism of people assuming that I'm here from the Tea Party to proselytize. Assuming that somebody who criticizes a Republican must be a Democrat is the same exact kind of error that falls into the same either-or trap.

[-] 2 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

I never said you belonged to the Tea Party. I said you belonged there because you are a free-market fundamentalist and debt-fetishist.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Why do you think that I'm a "free-market fundamentalist"? I have literally never mentioned "free-market" anything even one time in the entire year that I've been posting here. "Debt-fetishist" makes just as little sense. (Kudos for diction though, that was pretty nice.)

I think you apparently have me confused with somebody else. Either that or you've labeled me and then extrapolated assumptions about what I think from that label.

[-] 2 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

From your posts, I gather that you are opposed to any public debt, and you oppose any regulation of the financial sector. Is that not the case?

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

No it's not, and I'm really amused by your fascinating blend of assumption, prejudice and hyperbole. "Oppose any regulation"? Really? I'm still literally giggling at the "free-market fundamentalist" hyperbole.

[-] 2 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Those are phrases borrowed from Stiglitz, and they describe conservative dogma that is very prevalent in the US.

OK, so in what cases is deficit spending OK? When is financial regulation warranted?

All I have seen you do is argue, so that's all I have to go on.

[-] -1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

I'm not here to talk about wedge issues like deficit spending or financial regulation. You don't think that those are wedge issues because you're only thinking about people who agree with you when you say that everybody agrees. But I'm thinking about the entire 99%.

Let's talk about something that isn't a wedge issue, like how to eliminate the corrupting influence of money over our political system.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/at-the-core-of-our-government-is-a-corruption/

[-] 2 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

That's exactly how you libertarian trolls are impeding progress. Anything you disagree with, as free-market fundamentalists and debt-fetishists, is a "wedge issue".

The real issue is public morality vs. private morality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TB73Lw1XtE

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

I can agree with most of that video but I do think that it's important to remember that "progressives" in the context that he's using it does not refer to the same left/right dichotomy that most people on this site are so obsessed with.

Reich gives credit to "progressives" for trust busting in the 1900s without mentioning that the leader of that progressive movement was Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican.

[-] 1 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

"The Progressive Party of 1912 was an American political party. It was formed by former President Theodore Roosevelt"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912)

You walked right into that one, jackass. You can't back up your statements with anything. I have not seen a single post on this entire forum that touts the D party line.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

I walked right into what? The (short-lived) Progressive Party was founded by Teddy Roosevelt, and he was the leader then of the progressive movement. And for the eight years that he was President of the United States, busting trusts, he was a Republican. GOP. Were you denying that or did I misunderstand you?

My point was simply that many people today (including possibly you?) incorrectly treat progressivism as solely the domain of the left side of today's left/right divide. But "progressive" does not mean "left". I was just pointing out that many people might get the wrong idea from that portion of the video that you cited, since today people treat "left" and "progressive" as synonyms.

[-] 2 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

What is wrong with the right wing of today, that they are all against unions, trust busting and regulation?

Too bad today's right wingers don't actually know what TR was all about.

Find me one right winger today that isn't a union-busting free-market advocate, and I'll...

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Doesn't seem to be much difference between you and anti dem, pro repub partisan.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (18275) 1 year ago

Simply Brilliant Comment !!! Inspired , LOL !! Thanx TYNC !

It's all only variations on the theme of 'Right-Wing' from my view !!

We need a 'Revolution of Everyday Living' - based upon Logic & Love !!!

It ain't rocket science ; it's warm hearts and cool heads and love for us and our shared hommmme....

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] -2 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

So being angry at the dems for betraying their values makes you a troll? If I'm not mistaken theNDAA had strong bi-partisan support. Or what about the fact that a dem pres has openly assassinated americans and is fighting the ruling that indefinate detention is unconstitutional. I would have expected this behavior from reps.

[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

What the hell does any of that have to do with wealth disparity and unemployment? The free-market trolls keep changing the subject.

[-] 0 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

The fact that we can be locked up without any rights is the most importent issue we face nowadays. Can't you see our rights being given up without a fight by mainstream america? I came back to this website hoping to find OWS fightingback against the NDAA. How long do you think it will take before protesters are deemed a threat to "national security" and we start disappearing one by one?

[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Keeping us poor and desperate is the easiest way to take away our voices. Furthermore, OWS started over income disparity:

http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2011/05/top-one-percent-201105

Now a bunch of trolls want to change it to WTC7, or NDAA, or killer drones, or whatever flavor of the month issue that comes along. We need focus.

[-] 2 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

TommyNYC, I am glad to read you. FOCUS MAN!

[-] -1 points by RothchildThe3rd (-47) 1 year ago

How long will this Anomilus fantasy go on Richard?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

It's almost as if the 1% tyranny over the 99% exists in a sealed capsule completely unconnected to the political world in 2012 America, to "Newbie Trolls."

Forget them, let's go Iceland, only 46 days to get started!

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

You sure throw the term troll around a lot. With the way the system is set up closing the wealth gap is almost impossble. We need to A) make sure we fight police brutality and the stripping of our rights or we will disappear when we cause too much trouble. B) get public finance of elections or else the 1% will drown out our voices through their bought politicians. C) get control of our media so we can pass our message to the rest of the country. Once we accmplish those 3 things then cloing the obscene wealth gap will be a walk in the park.

[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Disagree. Those things will take years to fix. A stimulus needs to happen NOW, before we are all enslaved in poverty. The US is slipping into 3rd world status. Once the rich have all the money, they will be totally entrenched and we wont be able to stop them.

I say you are a troll because you have a very fishy sense of priorities. OWS got of track once it started focusing on police brutality. It reminds me of 9/11: we let the terrorists win. Well, OWS let the police win once it changed focus.

[-] 0 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

I think our rights should be a top priority. I think stimulus would help in the short term but the real problem is the merging of corporations and government. We are looking at major changes that need to be made in order to close the wealth gap and corporate control of our police, politicians, and media will be the main obstacles we face.

[-] 0 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Respectfully, you are wrong. The whole point of the stimulus is to improve things in the long term. It needs to happen now, because thats how counter-cyclical fiscal policy works.

The other problems you mention have been ongoing for... hundreds of years. They can wait another 6 months or so.

[-] 1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

I agree TommyNYC, the stimulus needs go directly to the people who are most likely to spend the money back into the economy, which just might create jobs, and spark economy just a tad bit.... not just shoveling random Trillions or Billions into banks who are hoarding the cash and exchanging their risk to the US gov in return for the money.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Respectfully, Goldman Sachs is DYING for more stimulus.

The last thing they want is real solutions. Just spend their money.

[-] -2 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

Tommy seems to be full of big words that lack meaning in the offered context.

[-] 3 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Which sock are you again?

[-] -2 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

Back atcha, homie. It is good to see you learning the phases around introspective thought, but so far, they're still just words with no understanding. Keep trying, you'll catch on.

[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Sorry I'm going too fast for you, I will definitely try to dumb it down next time.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Politics is a confusing subject to some people.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

He's just another idiot going off of feel good FOX/MSNBC talking points. No depth on anything.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

What a ludicrous smear.

[+] -4 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

How does spending the income of future generations improve things in the long term?

[-] 3 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

If there is no infrastructure than there is no upward mobility. It's just like a business, you need to invest if you ever want to make money.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

The oligarchs already have the money.

They own the printing press.

Now that the manufacturing base is outside of the US, there is no need to maintain the infrastructure of the US.

You consumers just need to get used to a fractured and faulty environment, and keep spending.

[-] 1 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

nay·say·er: one who denies, refuses, opposes, or is skeptical or cynical about something

So, you have absolutely nothing productive to offer.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Ask Raygun, Bush, Cheney and Twit.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

clarify and amplify our voice

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I've had a NO WAR signature for 10 years

not a flavor of the month

[-] 4 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

I am very anti-war, but that is not what this movement started about, as far as I can tell. "Occupy Wall St." to me means "regulate the financial sector". "We are the 99%" to me means "fight wealth disparity and create opportunities for all". Did I miss the memo or something?

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

disparity is enforced through fear and violence

[-] 3 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

Disagree. Disparity is enforced through a crumbling infrastructure, low wages and unfair taxation.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

interest and rent

[-] 1 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

We're not gonna outlaw landlords and interest lending any time soon, it just ain't gonna happen. We need to focus on realistic change that has a substantial effect. It is possible but it requires optimism and careful thought.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

landlords and interest lending have a substantial effect

[-] 1 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

You're not listening. We are not going to outlaw renting and lending. Period. Give it up.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

bite me

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

as Obama has called for an injunction of the federal overturn

I imagine the US has already got some ice

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

As long as you do it cognizant of the GOP's obstruction and betrayal of our democracy and country in mercenary service to the 1% whose tyranny over the 99% is the fundamental basis of OWS context.

Perhaps in that context you will want to get out our inner Iceland, where the Voter turnout is 80-90%, they prosecute and convict Banksters, and they don't start fraudulent wars to allow Big$ bosses to redistribute our treasury to their offshore accounts; instead of bitching about an infinitely lesser offender party trying to survive to do the right thing for an electorate with the lowest Voter turnout in the world!

Get out the Iceland!! Let's get Jamie Dimon a room with a view of Bernie Madoff!!

[-] 0 points by shooz (17713) 1 year ago

Same old trolls, same old message, new set of monikers.

Dat's all it is.

check the live stream shadz posted.......:)

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[-] -1 points by stinkyhippie (-7) 1 year ago

Correct...America is very afraid of another 4 years of rule under the idiot socialist Obama.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Exciting isn't it?

[-] 1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 1 year ago

lol you said a mouthful there partner :)

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Refocus on getting Americans to work.

Stimulus for infrastructure, greentech. tax the 1%, cut the tax/debt for the middle/working class, cut the defense budget. reward insourcing, penalize outsourcing.