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Forum Post: Israel=A brutal terrorist state

Posted 2 months ago on July 26, 2014, 7:21 a.m. EST by struggleforfreedom80 (6584)
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Israel has now, within a few weeks, murdered over 900 Palestinians. Israel, which is conducting an illegal occupation of Palestine, as well as a vicious blockade of Gaza, claims it has the right to defend itself from the people it is oppressing by murdering children and innocent civilians.

Rockets being launched into Israel should be denounced as well, but in order to understand the Israel/Palestine conflict, we have to look at the root causes of it. Hamas aren't firing rockets into Israel for no reason, they're doing it because of Israel's vicious treatment of Palestinians.

The root cause of this conflict is Israel's illegal occupation and the vicious blockade.

Israel should start accepting international law and withdraw from the occupied territories, accept the international consensus (the 1967-borders), stop the blockade, and stop murdering civilians.

As long as Israel continues on with current policies, and as long as U.S. leaders continue to support them, the violence and atrocities will continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnc6Kt-7vjc

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[-] 8 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

It will be claimed that Hamas began firing their militarily ineffectual rockets at Israel first, so triggering Israel’s latest War Of Choice. But this is not true. In fact far from acting in self-defence, the crisis is a direct result of deliberate actions by Israel over the last few weeks - first to stir up anti-Arab sentiment among Israel's own population & then to try to provoke Hamas into an open conflict - whereby it could be attacked and destroyed - again and for the third time in six years.

After the kidnapping and cruel murder of those three Israeli kids (not that long after two similarly aged Palestinian kids were murdered by an IDF sniper, whilst clearly NOT engaged in any crime other than walking whilst being Palestinian and I could easily link to a CCT video of that) - then for more than two weeks Israeli authorities put on a show of looking for the missing teens ... the whole time whipping up anti-Arab sentiment in preparation of war, raising hopes of a recovery & marginalizing voices of dissent.

When the abductees were found murdered - the Israeli public was outraged and demanded vengeance. Shortly after the funerals for the youths, another group of Israeli settlers beat and burned to death a 16-year-old Palestinian teenager. That incident was itself followed by a brutal assault on a 15-year-old US citizen and cousin of the murdered Palestinian kid by the IDF.

However, another VERY Important Fact that is less known ... but perhaps more important, is that within hours of the three teens’ disappearance on June 12th - Israeli officials knew that they were dead. Yet for the next two weeks authorities put on a totally phony rescue effort ; instituted a gag order to prevent the public from knowing the truth and rallied the Jewish domestic and diaspora populations in anticipation of their move against Hamas.

Knowing that the teens were really already dead, Israel's Likud government even sent the mothers of the abductees to the ''United Nations’ Human Rights Council'', to raise international awareness and plead for their boys’ safe return.The IDF then launched ''Operation Brother’s Keeper'' the single most extensive military operation in the West Bank for more than a decade, under the auspices of .. 'saving the missing teens' whom again, they knew to be already dead.Many hundreds of arrests & detentions then occurred.

The blame for the abduction and murder immediately went to just Hamas ... which strongly denied any involvement whatsoever, in the kidnapping. Israel has offered no concrete proof to implicate Hamas but instead identified as its prime suspects, a rogue faction with a history of defying Hamas’ leadership, & thus sabotaging the group’s peace-building efforts with Fatah and The PLO.

They were identified early on, meaning that Israel knew full well that neither Hamas nor its armed wing, the al-Qassam Brigades - were behind the boys’ disappearance. Nonetheless, the IDF began a military campaign against them and de facto the Palestinian population in the West Bank and Gaza.

These are the true facts of the current 'Gazastrophe' - the third in six years, against 1.8 million people, in an area of one of the highest population densities in the world. Your links are excellent btw, the 'You-Tube' video from that great journalist in particular & those famous maps of course speak for themselves.

In compliment, I append and recommend :

Please try to note in particular .. the dates and contents of the last two links as they are now prescient precursors of the present events. Ms Ashrawi is a long term PLO Exec. Comm. member & a Christian.

oremus - fiat lux ; fiat justitia ; fiat pax ...

[-] 8 points by beautifulworld (21297) 2 months ago

"As long as we continue to give our money, weapons, and unquestioning support to Israel, the blood is on our hands as well!"

From a comment on Huffington Post, by a Linda Graves · East Tennessee State University.

Truth.

[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

''The moral argument is that the central role of the United States in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict obliges Americans to understand it, if only for the fact that we are in a stronger position to change U.S. policy than those that fall victim to it. To this end there are a number of organizations in the U.S. that work on this issue, such as : http://endtheoccupation.org/ - which is a coalition of groups working to change U.S. policy toward Israel/Palestine & http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ - is an organization of Jewish Americans critical of the occupation and organizing for a change in U.S. policy.'' From ...

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 4 points by flip (6987) 2 months ago

nicely done here - ''The moral argument is that the central role of the United States in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict obliges Americans to understand it, if only for the fact that we are in a stronger position to change U.S. policy than those that fall victim to it.

[-] 4 points by corsali (47) 3 weeks ago

Indeed this is "stunning", and very hopeful.

[-] 0 points by ShadzSixtySix (1137) 2 weeks ago
[-] 2 points by corsali (47) 2 weeks ago

As in a previous reply that you made. The journey that Phil Donahue took in his "radicalization" was similar to mine. It's a journey that many of us have or will be taking, and with that will come an indomitable spirit that will defeat even the partisans amongst us (on here) who try to steer this revolution to oblivion. Thanks for the links.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1137) 2 weeks ago

Phil Donahue Rox !!! In a word .. SOLIDARITY to PD, you and all who sail with you ~*~

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

You're getting emotional again Daniel. Time for bed there. Hit the hay, hey ?

It's time for The Israeli 99% to kick The Right-Wing Likud Alliance out but ...

You have not got what it takes to read that article - I guarantee it. However ..

dum spiro, spero ...

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Fair play to you as you're making me laugh now .. and late too, lol ! Do you know what, ''shatz'' means in German ?!! Thanx for the giggles - I don't really mean you any harm .. unlike that real nut job on The DNC / Likud Faction Team, namely - ZionDog !!! Gotta go now Dan but time to get serious here with ...

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1709) 2 months ago

I wash that off before working at the bomb factory

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Its incredible how well the media manages this stuff.

Jebreal lighting up MSNBC as she should: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9HCE0vUy1c

[-] 3 points by grapes (3253) 2 months ago

"Why can't we all just get along?" - Rodney King.

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[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (1709) 2 months ago

On Palestine; didn't something like this happen to the Brits in India too ?

[-] 1 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

Violence in the middle east and around the world?

What is to be done?

Give everyone a gun ammunition and a few missiles?

I just don't see that as helping.

But isn't that what is being done in perpetuity?

Feeding violence.

Not ending it.

Why do we get our most thoughtful commentary from comedy central? Stephen Colbert looks at the Sarah Palin Channel Scroll down past the sarah story and Jon shares some thoughts on arming for peace.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 months ago

realize hamas just doesn't care about the people. this is far from mainstream news and will give you an idea of what is really going on in gaza. Vice News Crime & Punishment in the Gaza Strip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Enjoy Vice while it lasts. But I guess like some here like to say "Hey, if Murdoch wants to cut me a check, I'll take it!

http://gawker.com/the-revolution-will-not-be-vice-1165948487

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 months ago

yawn what is your point. shane smith runs vice, are you saying he is a selling out on his principals? i call bullshit.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

I'm saying that he may have gotten to the point where his principles are simply drowned out in the grand scope of the operation.

If you want to be the CNN or MTV, its going to happen eventually. And personally, selling to Murdoch was probably the last thing anyone expected from within the group.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/vices-shane-smith-tom-freston-434990

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 months ago

have you ever even watched an interview with shane? do you have any idea how important vice is in journalism today? we are talking about someone who is legit. people who are legit don't just roll over on their values for money. they could give two shits. money is great and all but it is not the main driver for everyone. some people care about the truth above any narrative and helping, caring, and loving cause it is right and just.

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[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Re. ''baiting ... through responses to others (a favorite troll technique) (and not a little bit cowardly)'', please do see and consider :

ad iudicium ...

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[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Your hypocrisy was the point snooz ! But surprise, surprise - you deign not to get it lol, !! That other Likudnik shill, Glen fkn Beck is far closer to your ex-Libertarian positions then he could ever be to me btw, lol !!! Can't speak more - I'm in a rush now but our business if far from over, so L8r allig8r ;-) & fyi :

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Ironic how the person who slams libertarians and sees them under every bed is actually a former one, who actually was involved when the Koch brothers ran it!

He who posts things about Libertarians and the Kochs all day everyday used to be the very type he is complaining and whining about all day, every day, year after year, for decades on end.

What a self loathing slug. lol.

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[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Did you just 'Remove'' my reply snooz ?!!!

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Because thats what Nazis do.

Look at that, one day later here comes all the anti-semetism rhetoric from the three old goats.

How very predictable.

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[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

shooz said 5 minutes ago at July 28, 2014, 4:29 p.m. EST (delete)

There you go with the anti Semites again trashy.

Why don't you just start posting stuff from David Duke, or links to stormfront?

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SO THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE HERE NOW, HUH ?!!!

WELCOME TO THE 'OWS - LIKUD' COUP !!

DISGUSTING ! & for some basic info :

multum in parvo ...

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[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Theres that loyalty coming out, like a fuse waiting to be lit.. Religion, what a waste of the human mind.

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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

How are you replying to a ''removed'' comment ?!!! Seems to me that you can still see it, right ?!!

So it now appears that you have still got your 'mod privileges' here - right ?! Hmmmmmmmm ~(~

fiat lux ...

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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

You do get that you the harbinger of your own sad demise, right ?!!! These words you use eg. ''swallow your own tongue'' - are NOT without 'karmic echoes' !! I feel sorry for you - you loveless, lonely wanker !

nosce te ipsum ...

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[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Me ''sick s-o-b'' ?! So, how ?!! Naughty Puppy, YOU say bad words !!! Lookey here now :

verum ex absurdo ...

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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

So, still talking shit, I see ! Geddit x 3 ?!!

Please do try to keep 'IT' up ... DiKwad !!!

veritas vos liberabit ...

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[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Re. ''a blatant anti-Semite'' - wtf are you talking about and is that all you have left ?!!!

You actually don't know your arse from your mouth - ergo you're talking shit - again !!

Get your your shit together DiKwad .. because I'll be back for the whole DNC / Likud Faction soon enough - individually and collectively .. so now just simmer and stew, why don't you ?!

minima maxima sunt ...

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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Hush now DiKwad .. I'm talking with your handler !!

temet nosce ...

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[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

You seem obsessed with your 'points' !!! Why's that ?!! Nearly 35k not enough for you ?! Greedy much ?

Also fyi : http://mondoweiss.net/ ; http://jfjfp.com/ ; http://www.nkusa.org/ ; http://mikopeled.com/ etc.

ave et vale ...

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[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Your reactionary, conservative ass is ever more exposed !!! Your thick head is very proudly in the sand it seems !! As that leaves your crinkly old ass in the air .. it would be rude for me not to kick it, I do think !

ne quid nimis ...

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[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

I have to go and eat etc. now but things just got very bizarre & interesting around these parts !!! You li'l DNC / Likud half-wits have shown your hand and shot yourselves in the feet - many, many times over !! What a bunch of Idiots and to hell with The Bigger Idiots who employed you !

e tenebris, lux ?

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[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Cite the links and state the authors' names .. evidence your charges - IF you have the balls ?!

toast ...

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[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

I like munching toast - especially with ''huckleberry marmalade'' ! You've lost the plot !!

Just like Nutty-Yahoo and Likud have and like them - you are self-exposed right now !!!

munch, munch, munch ...

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

You ain't younger than 40, right ?! We sure can tell how old you are Dave !!

Urgently Google the very latest Gallup poll re. 'Israel Popularity' &, read it !!!

multum in parvo ...

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fiat lux ...

EDIT # 2 :

ad iudicium ...

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

There was a ''Pew Research Poll' - along the same lines of ''The Gallup Poll''.

You are NOT absorbing the future demographic implications of this it seems.

Re. your Paul Bogdanor fixations, please remind yourself of a previous reply :

tempus mutantur et nos mutamur in illis ...

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fiat lux ...

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[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 months ago

they do important work. sometimes liberals put on blinders just like conservatives. it is important to see the big picture.

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

So, how much more ''time, practice and growth'' would you like Israel to have ? Also fyi :

multum in parvo ...

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[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (21297) 2 months ago

End the blockade of Gaza now!

Free the Palestinians!

Sorry, but the only people occupying another people are the Israelis. We're done with imperialism, colonization and apartheid in the 21st century. Get with the program!

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

From a whole week BEFORE the latest War On Gaza and further to my more substantive comment on this thread, please try to calmly consider - from OUTSIDE The Corporate Media Echo Chamber Bubble :

I could go on at greater length than my previous comment on this thread but I'm tired and have things to do. I looked at your thread and if I went there now (or even in the future) - it would turn into a punch up in very short order. Also I do not accept any 'six of one and half a dozen of the other' analogies. Read sff's short forum-post again perhaps & maybe even watch John Pilger's film via the link that he has provided.

Have The Right Wing Likudnik Coalitions ruling Israel this last 2 or more decades been ''in pursuit of peace and health and prosperity for ALL'' ? Have you heard of : Bar Giora ; Hashomer ; The Haganah ; The Palmach ; The Lehi Underground / The Stern Gang, DKAt ? What was their modus operandi and raison d'etre & what possible parallels may they have to Hamas for Gazans now ? Did you know that Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin were Wanted Terrorists in British Mandate Palestine ? Do you remember Yitzhak Rabin and what happened to him ? Do you get just how right-wing Nutty-Yahu is ?

Furthermore, what will it be going forward ? One Person ; One Vote ; One State between The River and The Sea OR 2 States @ The 1967 borders (see sff's embedded map link) - OR just more of the same ?

Where do you get your information from DKAt ? Have you opened ANY of links .. just on this thread if nowhere else ? It's NOT a specious question of ''only guilty party'' is it ? It's a question of who is most responsible & who is more 'powerful' & who really has the gift of peace to give to this situation, right ? So just how come 'Progressives' - in the USA can end up supporting Nutty-Yahoo so readily ? For an answer try to perhaps reflect upon :

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

Right. Drunk again, huh ?

in vino veritas ?

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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

From reading your typo / misspelling of ''boring''. Bed time for me now ! If you can't be bothered to read or reply with grace, whyTF should I bother ?!! I'm better off with ZionDog I think because at least I know where I stand with him, right ?!!!

vale ...

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[-] 4 points by grapes (3253) 2 months ago

It may just be cultural dissonance. shadz66 seems to be from a non-U.S. country so Americanisms may not get across well and they may irritate.

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[-] 3 points by grapes (3253) 2 months ago

Some parts of our universe do not and need not conform to logic on a symbolic level so "things happen." We complain about spending a few billion dollars for the illegal immigration crisis but we had lost far more in our own deliberate shutdown of the federal government.

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[-] 2 points by grapes (3253) 2 months ago

Illogic and irrationality are emerging phenomena. Out of numerological perfection comes irrationality. Quantity has its unique quality. This is true of immigrants, Tea Partiers, or transistor, and more.

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[-] 2 points by grapes (3253) 2 months ago

According to the theory of evolution, we are ALL the latest models of evolutionary success in our survival skills. Look at the rocket-takeoff chart of human population vs. time. Human great quantity is extremely recent. There is just NO time for most of us to change our behaviors under the control of the only part of us that has the required speed, our rational self in our prefrontal cortex.

The best survival skills up to recent decades is to shoot now and ask questions later (if ever). We are all a tiny little thin bit of rationality plugging up a volcano of emotions and extremely successful survival skills. When weapons shoot at the speed of light, pre-emptive strike means that we must take out all potentially hostile weapons before they become so - sad indeed but true.

[-] 3 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

What a spineless and flippant response..

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[-] 2 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Yes REALLY!!...your statement was indeed 'spineless and flippant.' To put the oppressor and the long time oppressed on the same plane here is like putting the Nazis and the victims of their barbarism on equal footing.

Your thinking is in line with the alike neocons who will have us in servitude to the corrupt elite too...Edit; Unless we resist.

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[-] 3 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Your inability to tell the difference between a long time, powerful brutal oppressor who has taken control of much of our foreign policy decisions through big dollars....and a near helpless people, who have suffered greatly under that oppression is not surprising to me.

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[-] 6 points by trashyharry (2642) from Waterville, NY 2 months ago

It would be more accurate to say that Israel has a Brutal Fascist Government which maintains itself through perpetual war.Although Zionism has developed partly from Fascist root movements,the government could be changed.The government of Israel could be changed even now,although a high level of super right wing nutcase conformity has been achieved in the population.Even though Israeli the Israeli business community is addicted to the easy conditions provided by Ziofascist politicians.Fascism has a way of coming on strong and then losing steam really fast.There is nothing Israelis who are alive now can do about wrongheaded or wrongful things done by people who passed away decades ago-except make everything worse by not making Israel into a secular,modern country and embracing democracy.The Israelis have a long way to go in those areas,but even in Israel,another world is possible.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

An apology is in order, I believe if indeed your genuine feelings were actually hurt by my reading ''boing'' as ''boring'' and my responding as I did with a quick, glib insult ... so I hope that you're ok and no hard feelings were intended tho' I'm not sure how 'boing' was any kind of response to what I said above.

You were not really obliged to instantly respond to my maybe over-complicated link with the You-Tube links of Abby Martin, Max Blumenthal, Eran Efrati et al, as after all, this forum is NOT a chat-room, so consider that taking your time in responding or not responding at all, were and are - viable options.

I read your link to me ( https://occupywallst.org/forum/on-two-wrongs-do-not-make-a-right/ ) in your reply to the Chris Hedges item linked to you { http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/07/24/palestinians-right-self-defense } and then I read your 'boing / boring' response and frankly it made me rather cross.

Reading your linked forum-post and thread again now, I'm none the wiser ; decidedly nonplussed but not as annoyed as before. I'd encourage readers to read your post and thread to see if they can make better sense of it than I can.

I responded to your initial comment on this thread but ''no honest response anyway'' - does not apply to me I can assure you - despite the appearance of what you say above.

It appears that you don't actually open links, never mind comment on them but no matter ... as I will still nevertheless take the opportunity to append and recommend :

Re. your other 'reply to self' below, maybe you'd consider reminding me of just what I may have forgotten about ''the other part of the guilty equation''.

I'd contend of course that it is not an ''equation'' at all .. as it is actually an 'inequality' ... and thereby lays the core point of contention perhaps.

verb. sat. sap. ...

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

forget the apology - as you and BW and apparently many more can not understand why you should apologize. As apparently you feel it is right and good for Hamas to fire off missiles into Israel. As what - Israeli citizens are not people? Are all responsible for the actions of their government and military? What? And apparently you feel that Hamas is just a GR8 organization that moves ( hides ) among innocent civilians ( human shields ) so that they can provoke a military response that will kill hundreds of those civilians they move ( hide ) among.

Where is your outrage at all of those who are funneling arms to feed Hamas and their goading of military retribution which ends up killing the innocent that Hamas hides behind?

Funny that so many expensive arms are so readily available to Hamas in ever increasing numbers. One must wonder who their benefactors (?) are and what their purpose is as it certainly is not peace. Unless do you suppose that they belive in the principal of peace through destruction? It seems that you and BW believe this - in this instance - as long as the destruction is visited upon Israel.

I am done talking with you or anyone else on this subject as it is very apparent that you can not look at the whole situation rationally.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

No one thinks its right as in acceptable if dealing within a vacuum, the problem is that when one group of people come in and establish this, that and the other thing, with absolutely no respect for the people already there, would you expect and/or want them to just roll over?

Or would you expect them to fight back with all means necessary?

This is why its clear that the Israeli leaders are either the dumbest group of people on the planet (likely not) or the most arrogant on the planet (more likely).

Honestly, what were they expecting? To trample the most basic rights of people, then invite them to a meeting to discuss it rationally afterwards?

Come on man....

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Your stinking is flawed just like Shadz and BW's - the control and oppression is so bad by the Israeli government/military that nothing good can come or go to or from Gaza? That picture is unbelievable - if the blockade and control over Gaza was so effective so complete - tell me then - how then do tons of arms get into Gaza - arms that do not go out to the general population as a means of defense - but instead goes to Hamas who then uses those arms to provoke a counter attack from Israel.

Are you telling me that good humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza is impossible to get in? Are you telling me that humanitarian aid is too hideously expensive? So arms must be sent instead?

You are most definitely saying that you prefer violence over peaceful negotiations. Or you would be pissed off at the providers of the non-defensive weapons to Gaza.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

FYI no one saying violence is better than peace. But what do people expect when this happens?

When people started arriving at the shores of the Americas it was very easy to call the natives "savages". But when looking at it, would you not expect them to use all means necessary to not be ruled by someone else?

Look where bargaining got them. A few dinky pieces of land that are still not really their own anyways. In terms of negotiation, that would be deemed an absolute failure.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

How do arms get into the hands of rebels?

Hmmm.... Lets take a quick glimpse of history and governments to dissect this... tick toc tick toc... How do arms get into the hands of rebels, hmmmm.... thats a tough one.

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[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Once again, you are expecting something different than what history shows us to be a very consistent and predictable pattern?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

What? Are you saying that people can not get past the insanity of repeating past insanities? That nothing can be learned from history? That instead of perpetually repeating mistakes that humanity could instead go in a different direction - you are saying that humanity can't learn and grow?

Are you suggesting that we all bow down to a history of enslavement and abuse of the masses by the few and so we should all just roll over and play dead?

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

I'm suggesting that when you are wondering how rebels get their hands onto weapons, or how people react when others start creating countries, you seem to think that this situation with Israel is somehow unique.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Take your specious crap & shove it - Hey?

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

You can be very excellent at being specious. And your apparent insanity of excusing the actions of Hamas in the whole Gaza tragedy is just amazing.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

DKA, no one is excusing using violence. The underlying point is "What do YOU- yes YOU (or anyone else who thinks like this) expect?

Really, what do you expect? You really want people who were trampled over, had a country and government declared and created literally right on top of them, to send in diplomats with their briefcases to come to some meeting of the minds?

When they were setting this up back when, the Israelis knew damn well this is what was going to happen. They simply didn't care. So why do you expect the ones that got ran over to act more responsibly?

This is classic American thinking, that when you poke the bear constantly, dictate everything, basically treat people as subhuman, when they finally lash back, the US gov declare "Ah Hah!! I knew you were a violent danger to the world!!"

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Your thinking (?) is so flawed. Your non-insight into the Palestinian people is the same as can be applied to the Israelite's. From what ever direction you would like one to look at Palestine the same can be seen looking at Israel.

And who feeds the conflict ( from outside of the area = neighboring states ) to keep it going? You do not speak of them.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

For about the 10th time now, when someone comes in and creates a country and installs a government over the top of the people already there, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?

I see revolution at that point as unavoidable. Not all people are as soft as Americans.

You think after its all done, installed and dictated, that people should sit at a table and discuss it? You can't really put them both on each side. This is equivelant to all the people telling Occupy to shut up, if they have a problem then get involved in teh political process and go the route of the establishment.

"Keep the conflict going"... You mean people still pissed that the Israelis did it?

Why do you expect such a weak response from a very strong people?

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

For the sake of peace ( mind you ) - I suggested that we give them Texass as a donation to be their new state - could be the best thing to happen to Texass - Hey?

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Well luckily while the amount of Jewish people polled that thinks "40 percent believe that the land that is now Israel was “given to the Jewish people by God,” is steadily declining, there is still a lot of work to be done in terms of pragmatic solutions.

Until the religious nonsense is separated from this land battle, what chance of a peaceful solution is there when one side has total control and the wealth of the world behind it, and the other side has nothing but what it can get its hands on?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/01/us/poll-shows-major-shift-in-identity-of-us-jews.html?_r=0

The fact that 40% of the Jewish people polled think this land was a gift from god to them is absolutely terrifying to me, thats almost half.

I've heard hard core Christians say that the choosen people used to be in Israel, but now they are here in America. Absolutely incredible.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

I won't speak to hchc's presence here - I will say that when it comes to Israel and Palestine ? some people are incapable of rational thought - as is well demonstrated here on this forum by the rabid attacks on all things Israeli and the boundless excuses given in defense of the actions of Hamas.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

You should really stop making shit up & as per ''I am done talking with you or anyone else on this subject'' - have an ounce of self-respect ffs !!! I'm not happy that my replies were removed !! Fair ?!

I really am in a rush now but thanx for showing your true colours. I won't forget our exchange here.

et nosce te ipsum ...

Btw, what were you relying to again ? Hmmm.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

I am who I am as I always have been and so shall always be - Myself.

My true colors? You mean being honest and fair? Those are the colors I always wear.

You on the other hand - really show nothing of yourself just provide links to others thoughts. Do you any thinking of your own?

On Gaza and the whole tragedy suffered by the innocent civilians on both sides - you are not able to see the atrocities of BOTH sides that keep this tragedy alive.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

''Boing'' - but please do look and consider just what happened when I wrote you a longer response here :

''Boing'' !!! I happen to subscribe to the views expressed in - 'my links' !! Did you read my own thinking in my main comment on this thread & please provide links to - ''the atrocities'' suffered by Israel during this War Of Nutty-Yahoo's Choice !! Are you just another a PEP {'Progressive Except Palestine'} here too ?!

fiat lux ...

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Yeah yeah - save it - you kinda showed some of your true colors when you put down the outrage voiced about the billions of dollars spent on making the playing fields for the world cup rather than them being used to improve life/living conditions/society for the masses.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

My ''true colours'' are Red, Black, Indigo and Green

Now go see IF, you can work out what I may mean.

You have clearly failed to provide any links ..

To show exactly what you or I really thinks ..

Others can decide what is hidden and what is seen.

vale ...

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Red, Black, Indigo, Or Green www.comicvine.com/profile/fortanono/blog/red-black-indigo-or-green/...

Deadpool: The Gauntlet #8. Deadpool's trip with Shiklah, Dracula's fiancée, continues. Guess what? There's plenty of adventure, laughs, and hilarity to be found inside.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 months ago

"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." - Dalai Lama XIV

I have no idea at all - what your link had to do with anything and I am unimpressed at your obfuscations, distractions and conniptions - as evidenced on just this thread alone. So how did you become a 'PEP' ?

parva leves capiunt animas ...

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