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Forum Post: If you think Obama will win, maybe you should think about the House too.

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 2, 2012, 12:28 p.m. EST by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ
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If we want something to get done we need one party rule for at least a little while otherwise we will just have gridlock, don’t believe me, listen to Romney.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/romney-new-recession-warning.php

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[-] 5 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

Wait what? Did he just say what I think he said? We should elect Romney because the House Republicans are batshit crazy?

So he's agreeing with the Democrats again. Except when he's agreeing with the batshit crazy Republican base. Except when he thinks FEMA is a good thing now. Except when he thinks FEMA should be privatized. How very schizophrenic. At least he's consistent on something.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I think Romney makes a good case for electing Ds to the House.

[-] 4 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You mean like 08 after there was the historical sweep?

Granted some things got caught up in the machine (shocking, I know), but there was still 72 days to place bills up for vote, sweep em through, and move onto the next one.

That didnt happen.

That means the party is broken beyond repair.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

OK so your point is not that the Ds don't do good things just not fast enough for you, but as usual you make no attempt to defend your party the GOP here are the facts on when the Ds could have done more:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Fast enough for me? How much time is needed?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

So tell me again why is it you want Romney to win?

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

The party belongs to the blue dogs.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (641) 1 year ago

Blue dogs as in moderates. The progressives desire to contract the blue dog democrats just made the ones that remained more resilient and defiant.

[-] 2 points by gsw (2697) 1 year ago

Yep. That's mitts newest talking point.

Good thing he won't win, legitimately.

“You know that if the President is re-elected, he will still be unable to work with the people in Congress,” Romney said. “He has ignored them, attacked them, blamed them. The debt ceiling will come up again, and shutdown and default will be threatened, chilling the economy.”

http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-the-one-percent-seized-control/

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

if enough people WTFU then we could win the House

[-] 3 points by gsw (2697) 1 year ago

I am beginning to think we need to grow ows, expand the targeted age audience, and change the "aura" of the movement.

What if we were to gather at state capitals, once a month, say at 12 on Sunday, 1st Sunday of month, and instead of getting arrested, have it be a "multiage teach-in", sort of like a street fair, where people of all ages, including kids, to old people could gather, and do some "fun stuff" not just protesting and getting arrested, though there could be a section for that if that is what they are into.

There is a lot of music talent and instruments in OWS. Lots of people have kids. Lots of people have games: chess, checkers, dominoes, ipad apps, computer games, art, theater,

Bring these things together, so the kids can do something (there could be a teaching of kids-songs on musical instruments; another area would feature music and maybe "street dance" as in other cultures of world love to dance, see Mexico. Here too. So it would be like a fair. fun and educational. Also there would be a political section, with informational areas, even "teach ins" I suppose. Grow this thing way bigger, like a social movement of the 60s, "if it is really a movement about love"

http://occupylove.org/videos/

Also, there could be "free food" that might get people to come. How about some inflatable bouncing toys.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/if-enough-people-said-wtf-change-the-aura-of-ows/

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

OWS was supported when it spoke of wealth inequality, it began to spread it's message and lose people's interest, the biggest problem people have is figuring out what OWS stands for, I came here hoping to find people who understood that the rich are too damn rich and if we don't do something about it you can kiss democracy goodbye. Nothing OWS does will matter if it does not get behind a simple message and stop trying to solve every wrongful shooting and drone attack.

PS not just in the US, this is a world wide problem.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2697) 1 year ago

Yes. That was a message that brought many here, and much of Americans, who 70 percent think rich should pay a little more tax, and who have been devastated by recession, agree with intuitively. I have said same here too and get back all these issues are interrelated. I try to keep my focus on 1 percent here, but people like to discuss and here about all kinds fo things, even drama between personalities, it appears. You mostly had lots of good facts and ideas back when I first arrived here nov. 2011. There were many more and discussions were way more intense, but to get all the people to go in same direction here, we're all a buch of independejnt cats, good luck leading this group. Who can find fault with inside job? Everyone around world agrees is a problem.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I think that part of the understanding is seeing how one can do many things, OWS can have a single solid unified message while the people who support it support many things. We must embrace and encourage people to say "first OWS is about the influence of wealth disparity on public policy" "but we care about ...too" I think the "top line" message should always be repeated. In an early swing state VA or OH the exits said 54% felt wealth inequality was a serious issue.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

as I write this somebody on MSNBC just said the Ds could win the House that is what the country needs

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Replace CONS w. Progressives downballot

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26331) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

1st priority = Mittens and Ayn lose.

But just as important we need to make positive change ( grassroots change ) from the ground up - this means state elections for state offices and state elections for national representation.

So please do not forget to see who all is on your local ballot. You can no doubt access a sample ballot for your location on-line - I did for my area.

These lower office elections are important - if we want to be able to push forward the issue's that benefit the people our society and our world - Like Move to Amend

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Going to be tough. Republicans could be the governors of 30 states after the elections.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

we have some time before 2020

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1942) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Clear the congress of Cons, we have much progress way overdue! http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/sandy-and-government-thumps-republicon-doctrine-de/

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1942) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Vote down ballot, too!!

That's how we betrayed Obama (and ourselves) in 2010, we let all the lower offices get swamped by T-Potty Cons, who went on to sabotage Obama and our government, and hold the county hostage!!!

Enough!

Gotta clean out all the Zombie Cons! Up and down the ballots!!!

Get out the Vote!!

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Holy Moses.....

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1942) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Why can't you Cons just get it through your heads that politics and government has no room for religion!?!?

[-] -2 points by KevinLark (-103) 1 year ago

vote obama out

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Conservative policy is the root of all our problems!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

replace RW CONS w/ Progressives in every race.

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[-] 0 points by WSmith (1942) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Why are you righties so racist and why do you hate America?

[+] -4 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

the LEFT been taught, by the left wing schools and left wing media and left wing politicans to hate and blame america first.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (1942) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

did you get a little boner spewing that, cretin

[+] -4 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

my mistake, i corrected my post, its the LEFT that hates.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1942) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Hey go get your Romney-Ryan tattoo.

[-] -3 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

smitty, the obama adimistration will insure that you have a tattoo, but it wont be a name, just numbers.

[+] -4 points by KevinLark (-103) 1 year ago

Why vote for a failure?? he has done nothing but caused more damage in the last four years

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Is this your first recession?

[+] -8 points by KevinLark (-103) 1 year ago

recession??? obama has put America in a depression

[-] 5 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

Is this you alva you little mental dipshit. There is no serious economist on the planet that believes the economy could recover in 4 years after right wing policies have been systematically annihilating it for 30.

Recessions associated with banking crises take at least 10 years to recover. Every recovery in modern history has been helped by a growing housing sector. This crisis was the banks and the housing sector! You're such a moron alva. A poster child for right wing stupidity.

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[+] -5 points by KevinLark (-103) 1 year ago

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy where ya at pee pants????

[-] 3 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

Oh podman/alva. tsk tsk. Looks like you're getting your boxers in a bunch again. Typical right wing stupidity. With a pea sized brain driven by fear instead of facts. Living in your own irrational alternate reality based on fear and loathing. I know you can't help it. It's just your over stimulated amygdala. Which is probably the only part of your pea brain that is actually functioning.

http://www.alternet.org/story/155210/why_is_the_conservative_brain_more_fearful_the_alternate_reality_right-wingers_inhabit_is_terrifying?page=0%2C0

[-] -2 points by KevinLark (-103) 1 year ago

I am an independent and I can see that you libs are now in a frenzy because your socialist regime leader (oscummer) is losing ground quickly

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

Outsanding job podman! That's one of my very favorites. The old - 'we're slipping into socialism right wing propaganda that has no basis in fact or objective reality'. It works quite well on the irrational fearful brain and I know must seem quite real and scary for since you can't comprehend facts.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your fear based beliefs now. : ) Tee-hee-hee.

Poor podman. Just one big fearful amygdala are'ntcha now.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/02/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-us-only-inches-away-ceasing-be-fr/

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're clearly anti Dem partisan campaigner. Pres Obama is the best candidate running of the 2 that have any chance of winning.

Romney IS,and serves only, the 1% oligarchs. Pres Obama is a community organizer, a true advocate for the 99%.

Get in line!

[-] -2 points by KevinLark (-103) 1 year ago

Obama lied and four Americans died (Libya)

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Stop using the assassination for political gain.

  • Your candidate Romney was rebuked by his own party when he made that mistake on the night of the attack, (before he knew what was going on)

  • He was rebuked by the family of one who demanded he stop using one in his campaign stump speech,

  • He was slapped down by the facts when he tried to capitalize on lies about it during the 2nd debate,

  • FOX (Repub PR machine) has been ridiculed for their constant extremist reporting on it.

  • As the facts come out it is obvious the Pres didn't do anything wrong.

We were attacked on the anniversary of 9/11.! Now is the time we come together as Americans. Not dishonorably use it for political gain.

Partisanship ends at the shore.!

Despicable!, Treasonous. You should be ashamed.

[-] -2 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

they were murdered by a complicit dem administration.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

He entered office under those circumstances.

It took almost 10 years to get from under the great Reagan recession

[+] -5 points by KevinLark (-103) 1 year ago

He entered office under those circumstances.//////////////// that is true but he has made the situation worse instead of better

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

OIC. then you are a recession virgin.

Indicators fell for many years after Reagan took office too.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

from monthly job loss of 800k to job creation 3 years straight is worse?

From Repub -9% GDP, to GDP growth every qtr for more than 3 years.

That is better!

Would have been stronger if your traitorous repubs hadn't obstructed every effort to hire and strenghthen the economy.

You filibustered the vet jobs bill! (1 million jobs) you stopped the infrastructure/green tech jobs bill. 3 million jobs. Your state repubs fired almost a million public workers.

Unemployment would be 5% if treasonous repubs would get out of the way.

[-] -3 points by KevinLark (-103) 1 year ago

dtraight //////////////////////////////////////// Please learn how to spell before you post anything

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Typos? All you got is meaningless criticism of typos?

I guess I smoked your sorry ass!

Consider your self dispatched & dismissed!

LMFAO

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

It is always difficult to clean up after a Republican look at how long it took Clinton but he got the job done, then we elected Bush, we are really screwed if another Republican gets in before we get things straightened out.

“The most recent projections from OMB and CBO indicate that, if current policies remain in place, the total unified surplus will reach about $800 billion in fiscal year 2010, including an on-budget surplus of almost $500 billion. Moreover, the admittedly quite uncertain long-term budget exercises released by the CBO last October maintain an implicit on-budget surplus under baseline assumptions well past 2030 despite the budgetary pressures from the aging of the baby-boom generation, especially on the major health programs.

These most recent projections, granted their tentativeness, nonetheless make clear that the highly desirable goal of paying off the federal debt is in reach and, indeed, would occur well before the end of the decade under baseline assumptions. This is in marked contrast to the perception of a year ago, when the elimination of the debt did not appear likely until the next decade. But continuing to run surpluses beyond the point at which we reach zero or near-zero federal debt brings to center stage the critical longer-term fiscal policy issue of whether the federal government should accumulate large quantities of private (more technically, nonfederal) assets.

At zero debt, the continuing unified budget surpluses now projected under current law imply a major accumulation of private assets by the federal government. Such an accumulation would make the federal government a significant factor in our nation's capital markets and would risk significant distortion in the allocation of capital to its most productive uses. Such a distortion could be quite costly, as it is our extraordinarily effective allocation process that has enabled such impressive increases in productivity and standards of living despite a relatively low domestic saving rate.”

“Returning to the broader fiscal picture, I continue to believe, as I have testified previously, that all else being equal, a declining level of federal debt is desirable because it holds down long-term real interest rates, thereby lowering the cost of capital and elevating private investment. The rapid capital deepening that has occurred in the U.S. economy in recent years is a testament to these benefits. But the sequence of upward revisions to the budget surplus projections for several years now has reshaped the choices and opportunities before us. Indeed, in almost any credible baseline scenario, short of a major and prolonged economic contraction, the full benefits of debt reduction are now achieved well before the end of this decade--a prospect that did not seem reasonable only a year or even six months ago. Thus, the emerging key fiscal policy need is now to address the implications of maintaining surpluses beyond the point at which publicly held debt is effectively eliminated.”

Testimony of Chairman Alan Greenspan Current fiscal issues Before the Committee on the Budget, U.S. House of Representatives March 2, 2001

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The Obama recovery (from Bushs 'great recession) would be stronger if your traitorous repubs hadn't obstructed every effort to hire, and strengthen the economy.

Defeat all RW repubs!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1942) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

When will RepubliCons in the House and Senate be prosecuted for treasonous sabotage and hostage-taking of our government, hurting the whole country??

60 Minutes tomorrow.

Treasonous and Racist RepubliCons, unfit for office! VOTE!

[-] -2 points by Futurevision1 (-75) 1 year ago

One party rule? Fascism/Marxism/ tyranny.. Take your pick.

[-] -2 points by Brython (-146) 1 year ago

What's there to say about a guy that enlists and authorizes the henchmen of dictators to oversee American polling places? This isn't a president; this is pissant. One third of America is going to take their guns to the polling places.