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Forum Post: IF Mittney WINS in November, OWS will have No Power to Change Anything

Posted 2 years ago on July 28, 2012, 10:49 a.m. EST by ComeTogetherNOW (650)
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IF Mittney WINS in November, OWS will have No Power to Change Anything!

This has become so evident as time has moved forward that I think this really needs to be stated. I just want this on the table NOW, so, at least people here will be aware of the consequence of this election. It's real and as the polls clearly show, this one will be close.

Anyone hear the expression, We can't see the forest for the trees?

The trees are these side issues which prevent US from seeing the big picture. The FOREST is this election in November.

SO, hold tight to your little trees while the greater vast forest disappears suddenly from sight. In that forest is OWS, it will be gone along with any chance or HOPE we had to save anything, the middle class, the social safety nets, income equality, a truly representative government, citizens who unite to make USA better, not worse, a truly Universal Health System like other civilized countries in this world, and basically every dream we may have had of a better tomorrow.

Maybe if this post wakes up just one of us to get out there and do something, it will have been worth it. I can only hope but in the current climate hope is fading and hard to on to.

Good Luck to ALL as we determine our future for US and our children. Let's try to make it so our children and theirs don't curse this generation for squabbling and squandering any bright future we may he had.

50-100 years from now, will the Earth become just one BIG cesspool??? It's more then possible, it's highly likely. For those paying attention know, we have not changed this course. Some of us, like me, talk of it, but it is just talk. No action. The rubber hitting the road hasn't happened. We are witnessing a dying Planet for those who may be just waking UP. The others can't hear what I say. The others will call me a liar and will take a strange satisfaction that they put me in my place somehow. But it's not about me, it's about ALL of US.

BUT, for all of us, everyone, the TRUTH, the EVIDENT TRUTH, the Earth will have a place for every single one of us, we just won't like it. We could play the blame game but it won't matter either. It's just babble. For those with enough money, they will be able to escape some of the ravishing events to come, but inevitably, the Earth will return the lack of love and caring we have shown it. We LOVE money, not our home. Money motivates more than Love, as our follow citizens have clearly shown US. Have we learned this lesson???

Come Together NOW

July 2012 - Our last chance.............

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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Sadly, I have met a OWS number of people who seem to be fighting for this goal.
I'm not talking about paid Rs. I'm not talking about trolls. I'm talking about people who see OWS as the savior of America after it collapses and would welcome that crash.
Very much like the religious nuts who look forward to the biblical Armageddon. Folks, OWS is not a religion.
OWS is not an end.
OWS is a means - to fix our country. We brilliantly woke up America to the 99% / 1% issue.


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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6496) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The TEA party won a primary in TX, yesterday, time will tell will the TEA party rule the nation, no taxes on the wealthy at all,if that happens the monarchy will have returned.

[-] 2 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

EXCELLENT VIDEO

Makes you think. I have realized something was screwy when I was much younger. Now, as I get older I have learned what that something is. ANd, it gives pause, as I realize how bad it is and why we are doomed unless we wake up soon.

Not enough people know the truth and so it's just so so easy to ignore. As it becomes so apparent we can longer ignore it, then we'll panic, and try to save the planet, but by then, it will be too late.

No other choice!

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

I like trees.

[-] 1 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

I do too : D

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Never say never. I agree that a GOP win will be far worse for the 99% than a Dem win. It would be terrible. The struggle would be set back, not ended.

[-] 2 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

That I would agree. But it would never the less be a significant setback. And I hope that eventually and inevitably truth will triumph just like Gandhi believed and stated. It more about being on the right side of the truth so when it does come to fruition your standing on the foundation if it. That said, there's never reason to abandon the fight since it is the right thing to do standing for the truth.

Come Together NOW

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Mittens, the economic parasite and looter, would enshrine the power of the looters. OWS is ALL ABOUT fighting economic looting and untrammeled greed.

[-] 2 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

We are ALL witness to how many can turn their backs on Science. Then once that Evident Truth is trampled on, they can make up whatever they want. It's a convenience for those who mean to do us harm. If we have no real criteria for expressing the provable Truth, we are subjected to those who make it up so they can WIN at any cost.

The problem is, in the end, we ALL lose this one.

Come Together NOW, before it won't matter, either way

[-] -3 points by ponchovilla (16) 2 years ago

Science? Democrats spend all their time politicizing science and rigging science for predetermined outcomes.

Global Warming hype is all about the redistribution of income.

Take your "science" and shove it.

[-] 2 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

Ponch, are you angry and irate?

SO for you, Global Warming is Hype? Yes or NO.

I just want to confirm this is your stand so I know whether you recognize evident truth or if your like the GOTP and make up whatever you want to prop up indefensible positions.

Also Poncho ignore what I'm about to say since your not a nice caring person and, truthfully, your insulting. So for you, go find your angry hateful friends and hang out with them. You can all complain, whine, and blame others for your shortcomings.

For people who know how to show respect..............we can do this.

Come Together NOW

[-] 0 points by ponchovilla (16) 2 years ago

Global Warming? You mean Global Cooling? Actually, you mean the term Global Climate Change so you can have it both ways!

It's horsesheit and hype, plain and simple. Now get back to your tree and give it a hug.

[-] 2 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

Go back to grade school. Maybe in ten years we might have something we can discuss rationally and intelligently.

Good Luck and study regularly!

Come Together NOW

[-] 0 points by ponchovilla (16) 2 years ago

Go back to f'ing yourself, loser. OWS is done.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

You wouldn't know real science if it bit you in the ass.... and it will bite you in the ass. AGW theory has over 100 years of input from notable physicists and other physical scientists. It is as robust as Evolutionary theory and the only theory that satisfactorily explains all of the observations.

Where were the redistributionists 100 years ago?

[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

And the blame will be squarely on the shoulders of the Anarchists, both-partries-Same-ers, OWS = No Political choices or Votes, FUCKING IDIOTS, naive saboteurs, RepubliCon Saboteurs!!!

This is 99% VS 1% Class War, the strategy is Shock Doctrine, one of many tactics is Voter Suppression: Don't be Suppressed! Don't be Duped!! Don't Repeat 2010 EVER Again!!!

GET OUT THE VOTE like Big $ Does!!!

[-] 0 points by Porkie (-255) 2 years ago

Well, duhh..... think of it as the "light"; we have seen the light and it is you.

[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

This is 99% VS 1% Class War, the strategy is Shock Doctrine, one of many tactics is Voter Suppression: Don't be Suppressed! Don't be Duped!! Don't Repeat 2010 EVER Again!!!

GET OUT THE VOTE like Big $ Does!!!

[-] -1 points by Porkie (-255) 2 years ago

Making the sign now... you b running out of crayons, no?

[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Professional printing on Coroplast!

No crayons on cardboard!

[-] -1 points by Porkie (-255) 2 years ago

haha... oh, and, "if I only had a brain..." (seriously).

[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

They will hold your cretin hand through the whole process.

[-] 0 points by Porkie (-255) 2 years ago

Partisanship is self defeating; I play to win.

[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Nice.

They will still guide you through the sign printing process, no matter what you mutter or repeat.

[-] 0 points by Porkie (-255) 2 years ago

right... focus, I need to focus.

[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Even you can do it.

Then the shock treatment and reeducation.

OK, gotta go.

[-] 0 points by Porkie (-255) 2 years ago

How painful reality...

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

If either Obama or Romney wins, the people who had the power to really change things failed to.

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[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

if mittney or obamey win you'll have no power to change anything. They're both the big money candidates.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

What should we do.?

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

Get someone who has principles and isn't influenced by big money...Kucinich is one on the democratic side...and Paul would be one on the republican side. One who stands for principles and doesn't change what they say because of a camera or money.

On the long term timeline....I think we should take money out of politics...my view that is the only way to change the disgustingness of it all. You have to cap earnings from all avenues of income for a politician while in office (lobbyists, stocks, income etc. etc.) and tie it to a general marker for income in the country. They should know if they're going to commit to office its for a patriotic duty for their country and they aren't going to get rich doing it. This would stop corps from controlling the government....and make government start working for the benefit of the people...and not the major corps. If money isn't taken out of it, things will never change. Sure you might get one guy here or there that isn't corruptible...but unless he lives forever you'll always wind up right back where we are. So cap earnings of politicians...and take the money out of elections. My 2-cents....what about you?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I agree 100% on money out of politics as the 1st step. Public financing of shortened campaigns, no commercials but weekly debates with all parties not just R&D. Open primaries w/ runoffs. Eliminate the electoral college, add 1000 seats tothe House of Reps(and eliminate gerrymandered districts) to give more groups an opportunity to be represented. Mandatory voting for all citizens eligible. Electronic voting over at least a week, verifiable by each voter to ensure their vote isn't changed.

These changes will help. but they are long term. We have an election in 99 days. Nothing on that? Should we stay home? What about the senate, or the House? nothing?

Kucinich is good. I like his voting record for the most part. (he votes dems mostly) but he is old and not running again.

Paul who?

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

Yeah completely agree with the election stuff. Getting rid of commercials is a great idea. I also think that during the debates each person should be allotted an equal portion of time. It's ridiculous how during the primary debates the establishment choice will get all the speaking time.

Paul being Ron Paul. I know you might not agree with his views...but I don't think that any person in the world can say that he is controlled by the money or influenced by what audience he is in front of (much like Kucinich). Its ok to have people competing with differing views...that's good for debate...but let it be the honest ones (instead of the ones that just look pretty on TV..Romney).

The election in 99 days. Both main candidates are the big money candidates, bought and paid for by the major corps we all hate. I can't see myself voting for either one of them. I would like to tell people to vote for third party...explore other options. I can't in good conscience vote for either one of them though.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

What about Senate/House races? No hope there either?

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

Senate/House....Would like to say to try to find the people that have similar views as what we've just discussed with elections and political money. That should be a key point to their platform to get elected so we can start to get a majority of people in the House/Senate that will actually get this accomplished (money out of politics).

You?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I agree we should get pols in House/Senate who could support money out of politics 1st then the other election reforms. Without that fundamental change there is no hope of succeeding against the 1% plutocrats.

So I think it does matter. Especially on the battleground states. And if I could just suggest that the money in politics problem exists mainly because of poor SCOTUS decisions. And who is appointed therefore matters. The previous rulings would indicate that dem appointed judges would find against unlimited corp money in politics.

But good luck. I support your stated goals. Our political system is all screwed up but it's all we have. We must build a new one. Based on bottom up, horizontal, direct democracy. At the same time we should attempt to put in the pols who can move the ball forward on election reform ceratinely and anything else we can get.

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

If it's the dems through SCOTUS who will attack unlimited money in elections....i'm all for it.

I also agree with your goals...we do have some things in common...turns out it's the foundation for the change we both want.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Then it is how we move forward.

We can't accomplish anything if we can't agree on something.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Presidents have been setting up blind trusts since LBJ. A few Senators and representatives also do it. I'm surprised it isn't mandatory already. They can't buy and sell the stocks and bonds while in office as they are permitted to do now. They aren't completely blind though, since a politician still knows what shares he has and could still take actions to favor them.

The ideal marker to tie income levels for congressional salaries would be the median wage. Currently about $26,000 per worker. Half make more and half make less than this amount. Of course if the people were allowed to vote on Congressional salaries, they would all make minimum wage.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Well, it is not likely to be close. Odds are it will be a landslide:

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/why-obama-will-lose-in-a-landslide/

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Glenn Beck has spoken!!!!!

Bow down to the mighty Beck!!!!

What an ass he is.

Does he wear the same magic underwear that Romney does?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Wall Street is also placing bets:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48400076

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Wisdom can be found in the most unlikely places, and Las Vegas hates to lose a bet.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I heard that's what Murdock said.

WallStreet always placed bets.

Haven't you heard? It's what they've always done. They just lost.

We just paid. I thought you knew.

That's why we're here.

They need to be removed from our banking system, to whatever extent we can do so.

I suppose Glenn didn't tell you about any of this. but hey, sometimes even FLAKESnews gets the weather correctly.

[-] 1 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

Who let the a$$ clown in here....Glim Bick....Sealy? What up?

What are the odds that your clueless Sealy ON?

You do realize you do a severe disservice to your position by not making any decent argument. Your uselessly devoid of any facts or truth to share. Your view of this world is not matched with the reality of this world. Ignorance is your only chance at bliss, and that is a fallacy. You only make us never want anything to do with the kind of person you are. We will stand by those who relish facts and truth that has evidence to bare. Intelligence is our friend, not yours, for obvious reasons.

It's not too late, except for Sealyonic, his/her time may never come

DO you ever try facts or evident truth, ever?

Too Much like being back in school for ya? Too boring?

It's not too late, except for Sealyonic, his/her time may never come.....but for those who understand................

Come Together NOW

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

I agree with him, Obama will likely win in a landslide unless the economy really tanks between now and November. Last I saw he was ahead in 10 of 11 battleground states. I think he will likely be a bit of a lame duck right from the start of a second term though because the GOP is likely to hold onto the House and the Senate will be almost exactly split and may even lean GOP.

The most important elections this year, whether you are a Dem or Rep, are the congressional elections.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2734) 2 years ago

In the pursuit of curiosity, to see what Fox Newts is up to: they're opinin -Pushing Huge: the Wars, Patriotism. Israel: Implying those questioning war even now (Mike Moore, Phil Donahue: on O'Reiley: are a bunch of moron traitors) OReiley was like, "My nephew just signed up to the military, he's a lieutenant, ad don't criticize "the service" like Moore or Donahue were going to say something against the US army on FOX, or some other "treasonable action". Implying the wars will go on indefinitely under their reign.

You take your sanity in your own hands trying to argue with these brain-washed parrots.

These people don't believe facts, and they are positioning themselves to limit the vote for those who aren't pre-registered voters, carrying valid, current, government issued photo ID.

The election could come down to like 4000 undecided voters. Maybe Florida Jewish voters. Fox news is like "this is so in the bag for us" confident.

If they loose, they can keep on dragging their feet like present, waiting for OBoma to finish his "lame duck" presidency.

Climate's going to be changing, and food's going to be getting tighter, more expensive, for this year's droughts, but like 40 percent of the country has their heads in the sand.

George Orwell, It's like 1984, all over again

Earth is getting Hotter People. Read. The. Science. Dont' believe what your leaders are feeding you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKb9rCsFBV0

Mitt'l probably make Dick Cheney his Sec. of State: Be Warned.

[-] 1 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

Totally agree Mooks, it may end that way with Mittney self destructing before our eyes. It's already happening. But, I'm pushing hard because we can not chance this.

By the way, you did the same thing I did. Sealy seems to say Obama will win in a landslide. Actually re-read it. It's convoluted and he/she actually believes Mittney will win in a landslide. I think that his statement is so off the wall that both of us thought at first it was the other way around. But, this is Glenn Beck's world, remember he lives in a fantasy cave of illusions. Sealy respects Glenn and thinks he's some sort of messiah He's fueled by angst and distortions of who blame for their own failings. The man has never made sense and never will.

Good Luck and Have a good night Mooks!

Come Together NOW

[-] -1 points by ponchovilla (16) 2 years ago

OWS already has no power to change anything. Screw Barack. He's clueless. He isn't getting my vote.

Under Hope & Change, things got WORSE, not better. We don't need a celebrity with a teleprompter in the White House for another 4 years.

[-] 3 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

SO what Poncho, we already know you don't a give diddly damn. We see your true colors. You really need to say no more. We already heard that narrative. Your fearless leaders spew it constantly from their hateful feelings towards others. Their lack of compassion for others precedes them. Rush Limpballs is your friend. Enjoy! He'll help you to hate more.

[-] -2 points by bearclaw (-152) 2 years ago

IF Mittney WINS in November, OWS will have No Power to Change Anything! /////OWS has no power to change anything now or when it was created. Who is going to listen to a bunch of lazy burnouts anyways???

[-] 1 points by ComeTogetherNOW (650) 2 years ago

The 99% will. And we know who the 1% are.

Oh, you've been sleeping and haven't heard Bearclaw Van Wrinkle.

Where you been, listening to Gwen Bick?

Come Together NOW

And hope others find enlightenment