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Forum Post: I was banned from #occupywallstreet chat

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 7:13 p.m. EST by zsteindam (2)
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i was banned becuase you cant handle someone who opposes your opinion. I work on wall street and barely make enough money to support myself. There are hundreds of middle and lower class people who work on wall street. Why do you want to put myself and them out of a job? If you guys can protest peacefully, I can peacefully protest against your protest. Dont ban me from you chat just because I am trying to make a different point than you.



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[-] 2 points by seaglass (671) from Brigantine, NJ 12 years ago

Your wrong. Nobody wants to throw anyone out of a job. We want Wall st. to be regulated again & not by corrupt agencies like the SEC etc. We want a tax on Wall st. trades and other rules that were removed like Glass Stegall.

[-] 1 points by pissedoffconstructionworker (602) 12 years ago

Yes, because fighting the corruption at the top means ending Wall Street and putting all those humble clerks, secretaries, etc out of a job.

Get a clue, buddy. It was the skullduggery of your bosses that caused the crash of 2008, which put quite a few of you on the unemployment rolls.

Matt Taibbi: great talking points on how Wall Street cheats:


[-] 1 points by Jay31 (60) 12 years ago

(surprised) You still come come peaceful.

[-] 1 points by KnowingOne (54) 12 years ago

Will you be our mole?

[-] 1 points by SophieH (30) 12 years ago

What? By the bot? Hint. The bot doesn't understand dissenting opinion. It is programmed to understand CAPS %, flooding and repeating. You were probably banned by the bot for being annoying.

[-] 1 points by mutualminds (129) 12 years ago

Then in your own words your saying your an ASSHOLE?

Sorry, Selfish Asshole would be more accurate.

[-] 1 points by doctorproteus (84) 12 years ago

how is someone just trying to scrape by a living an asshole? is name slinging really helping our cause?

[-] 1 points by mutualminds (129) 12 years ago

You forgot to include the word selfish. Why should you be any different then anyone else. Millions have lost their jobs because of the people your working for. When people say words and then don't mean what they say and lie to you about your future for the sake of their own is wrong. There are sooooo many good reasons for this uproar to be happening, sorry if it inconveniences you. Your not the only one with thoughts about it.

Do you feel selfish?

[-] 1 points by doctorproteus (84) 12 years ago

Again, is name slinging REALLY helping YOUR situation? You don't know this person. Maybe you're an asshole for buying an Ipod that was manufactured by children in India? Maybe you're selfish because its more important for you to buy fancy produce from Whole Foods instead of walking the to struggling local farmer selling if in union square? Notice how these blanket statements probably have nothing to do with you in reality? That's the point. Calling people names doesn't help promote the cause we are supposedly involved in.

[-] 0 points by mutualminds (129) 12 years ago

Sometimes you have to speak to people on their level of understanding. Trust me, they don't listen either way and I like to be factual about it. Need some cheese to go with that whine?

[-] 1 points by cheeseus (109) 12 years ago

Marxism assassinates the individual. They seek a collective delusion.

[-] 1 points by VindicatedVigilante (176) from Fort Worth, TX 12 years ago

Hear, Hear!

[-] 1 points by usdarkops (51) 12 years ago

To me we the 99%ers are those that have no voice in this country. It doesn't matter if you are a Republican, Independent, Democrat, Tea Partier, believe in Socialism or Capitalism. Contrary to what we believe none of us actually has a voice in this country. We have been taught to believe that if we elect our respective parties into power that our goals and ideas will be done. Well guess what people, it won’t. The only people in this country with a voice are the 1%ers and they have no allegiance to any specific political party!

Who are the 1%ers you may ask? Well I say they are the large corporations and special interest groups who TRULY run this country. They are the groups of individuals who spend millions upon millions of dollars each year to convince YOUR congressman, YOUR senator, and YOUR President to do what best suits them regardless as to what's in the best interest of the rest of the 99% of this country.

Think about it, the root of every problem we face as a country regardless as to political beliefs boils down to who's willing to pay the most money to see their agenda done. So until we fix this system of legalized BRIBERY also known as lobbying this country will never ever be the place we dreamed that it could be.

Oh and for those of you who don't believe me, ask yourself when was the last time you tracked down your congressman or senator in the capital between meetings and offered up a large sum of money in order to see a piece of legislation passed that best interested you?

[-] 2 points by Idaltu (662) 12 years ago

Well said...I wish people would get off of the political stuff. A lot of that socialism rhetoric is just an attempt to distract from the problem. The problem is simple> "legalized bribery" by corporations and special interests to politicians. There are solutions to this using the system we have. I know there are some really lazy people who want to be hand fed but don't let that distract you from the real issues. The parasites will always be with us no matter what we do. We can correct the problems of special interests and mega wealth from buying the politicians.

[-] 1 points by doctorproteus (84) 12 years ago

very good point!

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

You've made good points. I will only say that we do not know everything about what is required to be happy, or that having corporations make stuff for us is the best way to get happy, or if stuff is what happy is about.---

Personally, I know I'm not happy about air that is not healthy, and water that is the same way. And envrionmental organizations are not telling you how bad it is getting. They are not there to stop it, just limit the rate of destruction so it will be gone before you know it:( -

The solution is using your first constitutional right, Article 5 of the US constitution.

Congress is very afraid of an Article V.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution "Congress acted preemptively to propose the amendments instead. At least four amendments (the Seventeenth, Twenty-First, Twenty-Second, and Twenty-Fifth Amendments) have been identified as being proposed by Congress at least partly in response to the threat of an Article V convention."

Our first right in our contract is Article V, the right to have congress convene delgates when 2/3 of the states have applied for an amendatory convention.

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.-------

[-] 0 points by Nulambda (265) 12 years ago

I agree. I welcome you and your views. Even if I can't change your mind, at least our debate can educate others and help them come up with ideas we haven't. Dissent is aware good. It challenges us all.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Welcome to the forum

were words are pressed onto public permanency

[-] 0 points by anonymouse (154) 12 years ago

Dissenting views are forbidden here. However, lewd posts, links to assorted hate videos, violence laced rhetoric, name-calling, vulgarity, and veiled threats are all allowed, so long as they are directed towards the 99%

[-] 0 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

yes, the mods i nthere are toady biased prigs, they have done that to me and many others- just one more clear situation of we need organizational stuff that is epic failing around here.

to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?

you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.

Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.

o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.

once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.



[-] 0 points by hippledipple (6) 12 years ago

....tell the people to get out signs that say, "print the money, an control inflation or remove the requirement that we use your dollar"....if you require the people to use a certain type of currency, an then do not supply enough currency, it brings what you have today, no matter if its communism, capitalism, socialism...it does not matter what it is, it will happen....they want to limit the currency so they have control of your destinys...RU an Hippledipple

[-] 0 points by NintyNiner (93) 12 years ago

It takes two to screw us! Politicians to hold us down, so then the Corporations can do the screwing!!! Politicians need better rules to follow to prevent lobbying! We tax payers should also fund important elections, so the best person wins and not the one with the most money!!! Top 2 demands in my book! Write it down!

[-] 0 points by beardy (282) 12 years ago

Don't you understand? If you work for a corporation or wall street you are either being exploited or as evil as those at the top.

[-] 1 points by doctorproteus (84) 12 years ago

and how is shopping at American apparel, or apple, or Whole Foods, or buying cigarettes, or using Facebook not also being exploited by those on top. I'm not against this movement, but consideration has to be taken for how we identify eachother

[-] 1 points by melbel61 (113) 12 years ago

so anyone who works on wall street, whether a secretary; runner; mail room clerk, the people who clean up after them, or a trader, they should all leave their jobs because their evil? Or they are being exploited? Are you for real? I would love to see how many of those who are protesting on Wall Street who owe student loans, maybe back living with mom and dad, would jump at the chance of a job on wall street if it paid them 150K; 200K; 250K, etc. How many would do so?

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 12 years ago

obviously they should quit their jobs if they work for wall street and want to be in solidarity with the OWS movement. it is the only way for those people to be consistent.

once all the evil corporations are gone, its not like those businesses will be around to hire anyone anyways.

[-] 1 points by zsteindam (2) 12 years ago

should we all become farmers and live off the fat of the land until we die? or would that kill the nutrients in the soil?

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 12 years ago

lol no

just don't work for a corporation

[-] 1 points by zsteindam (2) 12 years ago

swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period time will give you cancer, you know?