Forum Post: I Strongly Suspect That The 1% Are Running This Movement, From The Inside.
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 22, 2011, 10:34 a.m. EST by Innervision
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I live in a very nice community in California. When I would go to meetings of the occupiers locally and try to get them to talk about the issues, I was met with consternation. I started to think that the meetings were being controlled by the right.
Then, I came up with a really good idea and a commitee was started, on this idea. It was quickly taken over by a pushy woman and watered down. When I saw what was happening I quit. This is the reason that nothing has happened. and we have no iist of demands yet.
It would make sense wouldn't it? If they see a revolution coming, why not start it themselves? Then they control it and and water down the issues.
I believe there are many more "good and genuine people" in this movement but they are not controlling it.
Has anyone else had this experience?
My last post disappeared, this one better not.
This is perhaps the most interesting conspiracy theory I've seen so far if not the most paranoid. The people you are protesting created the protest movement against themselves. Simple solution though, continue to work, live your life, do what's right.
It was created by the people who are afraid of the movement, because there is an uprising all over the world., and they know it is coming here next. So they create it, control it and then have no real agenda for over 2 months. Yes, they get the 99% to join because the 99% think it was created by them,when actually the 99% are just pawns in the game and the 1% wins again.
There isn't any logic or fact that can be stated when it comes to these conspiracy theories, no point in discussing it really. Once a movement gets started like this one it will either die on its own or grow if it resonates with people. The one thing that could keep it going is if people actually take political action and vote in representatives for change.
I know that feel bro. The other day I came across a person with a different opinion from mine. I could not wrap my head around this other person's opinion so I immediately surmised that he was the retarded lovechild of Satan. I've heard stories about these people before, but I never thought they actually existed until now. I used to think I was an infallible genius whose opinions were indisputable facts, but now I'm getting concerned. What do?
Panic and scream TROLLLLLL!
extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
where's your extraordinary proof? based on the above facts, i'd say it's a condition called paranoia. give me different facts, maybe my assessment would change.
The fact is, nothing has been accomplished in over 2 months. We don't even have a clear agenda. Maybe it isn't a conspiracy but then again maybe it is,?
At the very least this movement is incompetent to affect change! We need to get better representation.
someone drafted a 99% declaration--so it's in development. check it out on the forum.
"The fact is, nothing has been accomplished in over 2 months. We don't even have a clear agenda. Maybe it isn't a conspiracy but then again maybe it is,? At the very least this movement is incompetent..." Before Occupy all the talk was cutting the deficit, austerity, "broadening the base" (that is raising taxes on the botton 50%) and the Supercommittee's deadline.The Occupy movement changed the debate. It's a very new movement in a country that is suspicious of all movements that aren't media hyped and it's got a long road to cover ahead. I disagree. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-solnit-ows-20111122,0,3041224.story By Rebecca Solnit November 22, 2011 Last week I awoke in Zuccotti Park to the whirring of helicopters overhead, a war-zone sound that persisted all day and started up again early the next morning. It was one of the dozens of ways you could tell that the authorities take Occupy Wall Street seriously. If you doubted whether the movement was powerful or mattered, just look at the reaction to people camped out in parks from Oakland to Portland, Tucson to Manhattan.
FOR THE RECORD: Occupy Wall Street: An Op-Ed on Nov. 22 mistakenly put the writer of the essay in Zuccotti Park last week. She was in Lower Manhattan but not in the park.
Of course, "camped out" doesn't quite catch the spirit of those who have come together to bear witness, to make clear how wrong our economic system is, to begin the search for a better way. Consider it an irony that the campsites are partly for sleeping, but they are symbols of the way those of us in civil society have awoken.
Think of civil society and the state as joined in a marriage of necessity. You already know who the wife is, the one who is supposed to love, cherish and obey: that's civil society. Think of the state as the domineering husband who expects to have a monopoly on power, on violence, on planning and policymaking.
Of course, he long ago abandoned his actual wedding vows. He left home a long time ago to have a sordid affair with the Fortune 500, but he still has the firm conviction that we should remain faithful — or else. The post-9/11 era was when we began to feel the consequences of all this, and the 2008 economic meltdown brought it all home to roost.
Think of Occupy Wall Street, of all the occupations around the country, as the signal that the wife, Ms. Civil Society, has finally acknowledged that those vows no longer bind her either.
Perhaps this is one reason why the Occupy movement seems remarkably uninterested in electoral politics although it is political in every possible way. It is no longer appealing to that violent, errant husband. It has turned its back on him — thus the much-decried lack of "demands" early on, except for the obvious demand that so many pundits pretended not to see: the demand for economic justice.
Still, Ms. Civil Society is not asking for any favors: She is setting out on her own, to make policy on a small scale through the model of the general assembly and on a larger scale by withdrawing deference from the institutions of power. (In one symbolic act of divorce, nearly three-quarters of a million Americans reportedly have moved their money from big banks to credit unions since Occupy Wall Street began.) The philandering husband doesn't think the once-cowed wife has the right to do any of this, and he's been striking back. Literally.
The Occupy movement has decided, on the other hand, that it doesn't matter what he thinks.
Veterans, students, their grandparents, the hitherto apolitical, the unionized, the employed and unemployed, all ages and colors have come to realize that Mr. Unaccountable is the dependent one, the one who rules at their will and lives off their labor, taxes and productivity. Mr. Unaccountable isn't anywhere near as independent as he imagines. The corporations give him treats and big campaign donations, but they too depend on consumers, workers and ultimately citizens who may yet succeed in reining them in.
In the meantime, the domestic-violence-prone domineering state is squandering a fortune on the extravagance of police brutality and wrongful arrests. New York City — recall those pepper-sprayed captive young women, that legal observer with a police scooter parked on top of him, and all the rest — you're going to have a giant bill due in court. Oakland, you paid out more than $2 million for the behavior of the police at a nonviolent protest after the invasion of Iraq — did you learn nothing from it?
I beg to differ. Before Occupy all the talk was cutting the deficit, austerity, "broadening the base" (that is raising taxes on the botton 50%) and the Supercommittee's deadline.The Occupy movement changed the debate. It's a very new movement in a country that is suspicious of all movements that aren't media hyped and it's got a long road to cover ahead.
that's stupid
Keep in mind that it is very likely that the forces who oppose occupy have payed and/or encouraged certain individuals to corrupt or damage the movement from the inside. Don't be fooled.
That is a possibility.
LMAO you lost me @ your post's title!
Why?
I think the problem is too many cooks in the kitchen. I think all the occupy groups should hold a national convention, vote on a mandate and then run with it, maybe nominate candidates from their ranks, run them in primaries and finally send them to washington.
I think you have a point, but that may take too long. There are so many people hurting in this country that I believe if we don't do something soon, it may just explode.
Campaign Finance Reform. Boom.
I find it hard to believe that anyone is in charge of this train. That woman that watered down your ideas was probably just a know it all, who hijacks anything seemingly productive and tries to take it over.
That is why there needs to be structure and leadership. That way, the reasonable people can over ride the know it all, old burned out hippie who thinks they know everything there is to know about government and civil disobedience, because she once carried a sign down the street in 1972, and has been watching nothing but PBS for the last forty years on a black and white TV, that is caked with pot resin and smells like patchouli and vegan hippie gruel.
That;s a little mean, don't you think?
Campaign Finance Reform. Boom.
I suppose it is somewhat mean spirited. It is likely true, however.
It is pretty funny though, and well written!
Campaign Finance Reform. Boom.
Mean spirited can be very funny. Some of the best funny is mean spirited.
interesting, who knoes anymore, especially with the amount of financial resources seems nearly anything can be manipulated. hunger is serious pain which leads to death. look it's been more than 10 years and still only small group understands we've been taken for a ride about 911, so surely this movement will also face subversion and manipulation.
sounds like the pushy women thought she was a leader in a leaderless revolution. as i understand it, true community has no leaders. kind of like if u look at a plant, human or any organism, there isn't one part that's more important than the sum of the whole.
I agree that we are all equal. However, you need some type of leadership to advance a cause. If the cause doesn't seem to be advancing after 2 months then something is wrong.
things evolve, awareness happens, consensus builds
guns and roses, "a little patience, yeah yeah..
Patience is good, but lack of vision leads you nowhere, or worse off the cliff!
yes, obviously everyone with an agenda sees ows as a vehicle for it, including people whos ultimately are not with the actual occupy movement in spirit. SB has the same problems, but i keep working through it.
You got pushed aside because, ehem, you're a pushover? Not to be rude buts that's pretty much what you said.
No, that wasn't what I said, that is how you took it.
I'm sorry there was a huge list right on the front page of this web site long ago did you miss it?
A huge list? Why didn't the media ever get it?
If you are truly a 'good person' who has been hounded by some agency on this site. Fine. There are many, many attempts to hijack and divide on this site. Both from within and without. Our goal, as American, not OWS, is to see and remember. OWS allows us to focus our will, but the real battles are within ourselves. If someone attacks what I write, I know I am on to something and I do more to make it seen/ known. There are many forums to post at and you can even start your own. The battles are within ourselves, because we have to ask,'Am I willing to keep it up until someone notices? or will I get disgusted, distracted or disgruntled and go away with my tail between my legs?'. Think it over and ACT!
In a general sense - who cares? If it were started by the one, or some fragment of the one, does it matter?
As we grow their ability to control us will diminish.
As for that specific instance - get back in there. Network with others who feel as you do. Determine for yourselves if you have indeed hit a nerve or not.
If you have, then by consensus decide how to deal with this pushy person and push right back.
I believe you should care. If someone wants the movement to fail then they are going to do whatever they can to make it fail. I'm on to bigger and better challenges. I'm going National!
We - that is you, me, and all the rest of us - already are national; but I like your enthusiasm!
"As we grow their ability to control us will diminish."
Have the vast numbers of American people stopped our enemies from controlling everything involved in our economy?
In the most vital sense, it IS important who started this, and where THEY are pushing it. Because as long as they've got you focused on anything other than THEM-you are part of the problem and they ARE using you. They knew exactly what strings to pull and which buttons to push and you are performing exactly as they had planned.
I say it does not matter who or how this movement started. On this we disagree. That is your right, and I empower you to exercise that right.
I see it this way: there is much that is wrong in our country, and has been for quite some time. A correction is long overdue. As long as we focus on what is true, I am convinced, we cannot help but succeed.
Does it matter if this movement began because of some Machiavellian operater of the left? Of the right? Or even some strange combination of the two, where bets were placed upon us, gladiators, in the public arena?
This battle is already upon us. Steel your mind, for it is here where this battle will be waged. It is the new frontier.
Focus on what is true. Simplify. Do not be afraid.
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I agree fully and have argued the same. If they are trying to take over a decentralized movement, it truly shows the depths of their fail and lack of understanding of the lives of real people. So long as an entire generation has blatantly been sold into a life of wage slavery with education debt, and much of the work available will not sustain even a baseline lifestyle ,much less one allowing for people to afford to have healthcare, kids, etc. So long as home ownership proves a smokescreen to hide the fact that what is "owned" can be taken except for the case of very few homeowners who actually own their homes instead of renting from the real American homeowners, the banks, their lies will not prevent more and more people from joining the ranks of the homeless. So long as the elderly eat cat food to survive and more keep joining those ranks yearly as well.
This fight will not end.
Those who fear that, and think the situation is not yet bad enough and people can be scared, lulled, or pressured back into apathy do not understand how bad the situation has gotten for many people, and how rapidly it is going to get worse for many more. And after all this thing is years in the making and will take years to fix, and unless they can magically make fiat currency work long term, unless they can hide the very weather and what it bodes if we don't act, unless they can wave a wand and turn an unworkable service economy back into one with a balance including production, the injustice will only become more obvious to the citizenry and the movement will grow and spread, regardless of fluctuations in poll numbers from month to month.
This is beyond any single ideology or group now, and any who try to grab hold to own it or to kill it will find they hold only a disposable shred while the rest and the true power of the movement has moved ahead and beyond their grasp.
I think it is very important what ideology is running this movement. It's the difference between success and failure!
What is your ideology? Know that. Then ask, does this movement reflect it?
I think the following article is an excellent summation of what this movement is all about:
Occupy Wall Street redefines integrity By Brian Winkenweder Published: Tuesday, November 22, 2011
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/11/occupy_wall_street_redefines_i.html
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There are plenty of pushy, self-important people in all economic strata and political affiliations. I wouldn't get too paranoid about it.
I can tell by the responses I am getting on this site. A good portion of you don't sound like my side. All of your responses tried to put me on the defensive, instead of dealing with the issues I brought up. I'm going to keep posting here. I don't get intimidated!
I believe someone named ScrewyL tried to tell me I posted on here too much. "Too much protesting" as he wrote. If you don't like what is posted - don't read it. I fully agree with you Innervision!
Thank you, Lets stick together.
Exactly my friend. The one percent run the opposition so as to make sure the opposition fails. They hate competition. They hate free market. They hate liberty and they hate the light to be shone on their centers of power like private central banks. Don't quit. Just get street wise and move forward with knowledge.
I'm not going to quit. Actually, I'm just getting started!
Democracy is a messy process.
Our small local occupation has factions, egos, those who imagine themselves leaders, those who zealously defend the process, etc. As a GA, we tend to be cautious and thoughtful, and extremists get voted down.
We have to work together and agree to disagree. We have to decide individually what is acceptable, what is an acceptable compromise, and what we can not tolerate. In this process, it helps to keep in mind the larger goals and let the petty stuff go.
I agree, we have to look at the big picture.
Yeah, I think what Innervision is talking about is different from the usual politics of a group. I was also skeptical that there might be infiltrators from government groups, but after my own experience at my local Occupy I'm more open to the idea that it's possible. The people in our Occupy that I suspect might have nastier agendas basically drove out the moderate people. Luckily those of us who were so alienated stayed in contact with each other or have sought each other out and have decided to go back and encourage more community building over personal ego. We'll see if this works to bring our occupy together. I think time will tell whether occupys were in fact infiltrated by either government agents or just those who opposed us. This would not be the first time in a civil rights movement for this to happen. Like I said in my comment above though, they will only succeed if we let them. Keeping the compromises going, the conversations positive, the community together like you said Nucleus, will help us weed out those that are serious about the movement's message.
This is not party stuff, What are our goals? We don't have a clear agenda yet and it's been over 2 months. I am a business person, and if I ran my business this way, I would be out of business!
Read The 99% Declaration and have a wee bit of patience. We are only two months into a campaign against a centuries old global establishment.
If I am going to start a movement, the first thing I am going to have, is an agenda. How am I going to get other people into the movement, if they don't know what it's about. I'm going to talk about these issues at the meetings and I'm going to get people fired up, so more people join the cause. We were loosing attendance at our meetings! No, my patience has run out with this inept leadership.
Adios.
Thats the problem in america. You quit. Stop quitting and fight ffs!
Does it look like I'm quitting?
When I saw what was happening I quit.
Yes....
I'm working here now, not there.
You mean on this site?
Yes, and elsewhere.
Oh ok then. What is it that you are wanting to do?
I want to help to reform our government and social policies. We have become a greedy and selfish society that lets people die because they can't afford health insurance. There is rampant corruption in our political system. Too much money in politics and legislators on the take. We have voting machines that can be compromised, so elections can be stolen. Our public schools are horrible, and rather than helping our troubled children we just build more prisons. I want to try to bring humanity back to America. There are CEOs making too much money, while the poor are starving. Life isn't fair here in the United States, and I want to try to even the playing field a bit.
We need leadership and a new movement. Someone the American people can trust who has been an advocate before.
we need "leadership" but not in the form of "Hey, lets prop up this guy in front of the camera and make him the face of OWS!" Thats a bad idea. And no, we don't need a new one, this one is working out just fine.
Look around, it's not working. We are loosing people, not gaining them.
Expect infiltrators. The FBI sends them out in droves. But that's can stop you, or else you are giving in to tyranny.
Question the leadership, if they send people to a spot where they can be pulverized by goons wearing police uniforms.
Question the leadership, if they ignore the middle class. Revolutions happen when the middle class gets on board. No effect is being made to make that happen.
I would have pushed the pushy woman and not backed down, and say " no way is this going to get watered down", stand your ground if you really believe in it!
I decided to come to this forum and state my idea, instead. I believe it is very powerful as it works on many levels.
I've made a post of it "Stop Shopping Chain Stores and Large Corporations" Check it out and tell me what you think.
People have to learn from experience by making mistakes since no one is listening to elders that have been down that road before and know from experience what works and does not work.
If you are going to put yourself in a leadership position, you better know something about setting up an organization, or don't be a leader. If I were going to start a movement like this, I would already have a pretty clear agenda and be articulating that so I could continue to get more people into the movement. In this case there is still no clear agenda and no one has come forward to spread the message. I also wouldn't have called it "occupy Wall Street" as it sounds to militant, to me.
I agree with you but no one is listening!
humans really aren't that easily controlled
here's the green party platform
Green Party of the United States Platform 2010 as adopted by the Green National Committee
A Call to Action Platform Preamble 10 Key Values
I. DEMOCRACY A. Political Reform B. Political Participation C. Community
D. Free Speech and Media Reform E. Foreign Policy
F. Domestic Security G. Demilitarization and Exploration of Space
II. SOCIAL JUSTICE A. Civil Rights and Equal Rights
B. Environmental Justice C. Economic Justice D. Welfare: A Commitment to Ending Poverty E. Education and the Arts
F. Health Care
G. Labor H. Criminal Justice
I. Population J. Immigration / Emigration K. Housing and Homelessness
III. ECOLOGICAL SUSTAINABILITY A. Climate Change
B. Energy
C. Nuclear Issues D. Transportation
E. Zero Waste, Reduce, Reuse, Recycle F. Clean Air / Greenhouse Effect / Ozone Depletion G. Land Use
H. Water I. Agriculture J. Biological Diversity K. Ethical Treatment of Animals L. Forestry Practices M. Ocean Protection
IV. ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY A. Ecological Economics B. Measuring Economic Progress - Economic Growth and the Steady-State Economy C. Curbing Corporate Power D. Livable Income E. Fair Taxation
F. Local Economic Development G. Small Business and the Self-Employed H. Work and Job Creation I. Banking and Insurance Reform
J. Pension Reform K. Anti-trust Enforcement L. Advanced Technology and Defense Conversion
M. National Debt
If you think this is about "Right vs Left", or that the rich and powerful are "Right-wing", you don't understand what you are fighting. The rich own the "Right" and the "Left". But I agree there is a good chance that this movement is being infiltrated. It's business as usual.
Life is change! Let's change business as usual.
What do you know about cognitive infiltration?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Cass+Sunstein+cognitive+infiltration
I know nothing about it.
And now you have no excuse. Go learn, my friend.
I did go to the site and I don't really understand what the point was. Can you explain it? I know it is about conspiracy theories. Is this pertaining to my comment about the leaders of this movement?
Basically, Sunstein published to playbook of those who try to thwart any kind of movement such as OWS. Trust me OWS is not the first effort in this direction. The link I posted was as generic as I could make it. OWS is, I hate to tell you, a "conspiricist" movement. The theme is "a bunch of rich fvcks are robbing the common man blind". That's "conspiracy theory 101".
Some rich folks have and are robbing us blind.I believe we have a very corrupt and imbalanced society. When we let people die who have no health insurance, yet pay CEOs hundreds of millions of dollars. When we have to bail out our banking institutions because of the corruption that they perpetrated.When millions of middle class and poor people are loosing there homes and don't have enough to eat. When pharmecutical companies stop making a drug because they are not making enough money off of it, and let people die. There is definitely something wrong in America.
CEOs are (usually) puppets. What do you know about Deek Jackson?
I try not to delve into hardly any conspiracy theories. My disaffection from religion made me this way. I am a strong supporter of Occam's razor, in which the simplest path to an answer is the best one to go down.
Even if it isn't a conspiracy The people who are running the meetings are incompetent. We don't even have a list of issues to put before the public, and it has been over 2 months!
If you don't like it, be more persuasive. It's your fault, really, that the pushy woman took over your talk.
I've just changed my agenda, from a local scene, to a national one. Believe me, I can be pretty persuasive!
Occam's razor meets 9/11 conspiracy theories:
http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/
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we need to stick together to change this. If we do not succeed, we are going to see bloodshed on our streets! The issues of inequality need to be addressed and this movement isn't doing it!
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Thanks for your response, see my message below.
I think Obama, the father and "dear leader" of OWS , clarified the problem when he said that the country was a little "soft and lazy". (his words not mine) Clearly, he was sending a message to OWS, not to give up, but because he has to at least pretend to be the president of the entire country, he can't speak to his flock directly. As his OWS movement loses some of the initial public support it had, He has to funnel his OWS activities underground like. He initiated the movement and got the ball rolling, now he's just quietly delegating behind the scenes. He just so good at it because he has so much practice doing this type of covert activity that he's all but invisible, but no worries, he knows that you will scratch his back (by voting for him), as he's scratching your back, he just can't be overt about it.
I believe he is doing the best job he can. He was the only president in recent history to do anything about health care, even though it didn't go far enough. It's really hard when he has so much opposition, from the other side.
It appears that certain relevant topics are being suppressed by the moderators on this site. I am very well informed regarding issues relevant to the abuses of high finance. I find it ironic and telling that certain ideas are being excluded from the discussion.
Why don't you share some of your ideas now?
Have you watched these videos? I didn't start the thread, but it pretty much summarizes my views:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/if-you-still-believe-the-official-story/
Yes! It seems that the so called leaderless movement is actually controlled by a small group of very opinionated people in every city. They dont call themselves leaders but if you say anything that might suggest you disagree with them you get the honor of being a troll, evan if you get arrested. There was a few people in my city like that. It is obvious to me that they had a very socialist vision for the movement. When I tryed to express my views I was shut down constantly. I support the general Idea that Big money should not govern our nation, but I dont want to see it transformed into a socialist state, because thats what government funded bail outs of private businesses is. Sure is funny that we got so called anarchist all over the place that hate the right wing politics, hello Anarchy is far right and socialism is far left. A real republican would never take over the debt of a private business that goes against the first rule of conservative thinking witch is small government. Socialism is big government controlling everything. One more thing who ever wrote the rules should know NAZIism is a left wing political belief not a right wing. Nazism is a conjunction of 2 words Nationalist socialist and they controlled all big business ion germany. Anarchy is on the far right. Just know that the right represents less government like Libertarians Republicans and Anarchist all these forms of government advocate small government. The left is more government like Democrats socialist and communist. Please watch this video for a better explanation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_boAGNPmNQ&list=FL6euVIYI9kllZfwTYZsAj7w&index=1&feature=plpp_video
We have to have some government programs to care for, and protect people.Trickle down economics doesn't work. We need government to make regulations so that we have fair banking and lending practices etc.. Government to protect and serve, not to intimidate and become a nightmare of beurocracy Government to help the poor but not get saddled with lazy people who are unwilling to work.
They are.. when I speak like a commie nothing happens, when I speak like a patriot on another accounts I get censored. Tried it a few times now. Try it yourselves through hidden ip services.
Here is your first post inervision is this the one you lost? This make 3 http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-shopping-at-chain-stores-and-large-corporatio/
yes, that is it. Thank you.
Well, this is a Soros' revolution if people haven't realized by now. It's my educated observation this OWS is being managed, but thing is they can only mange so much. It's up to us the people to take this OWS by the horns and control it once and for all. But for that we ned to understand the real issues like the OP posited.
here's your last post glad I could help
http://occupywallst.org/forum/if-this-is-our-movement-what-is-our-message/
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what do you people think the bankers want? ill tell you the answer is communism or socialism why? cause that would give them even more power over the purse and the people. this was started by very rich powerfull people and they are trying to use good people with good intentions to sway the system into total banker control
I agree with you. This movement is supposed to be about the 99% but many of the leaders in a "leaderless movement" have an agenda that the rest of us dare not cross. It reminds me of Orwell's Animal Farm. Some animals are more equal than others.
I love you! Let's work on an alternative to the occupiers, and create a true movement for the 99%,, only this time let's give it a better name," Occupy Wall Street" is just to militant for me and my grandmother.
I'm curious which occupy this was. I too am from CA and had a similar experience. Me and some others felt so alienated by the behavior of some people who at first seamed in line with the spirit of the movement and then slowly became very controlling. We actually had a speaker come at one point who was security for other similar movements from earlier eras and he brought this very issue up and warned us, but people thought he was being paranoid. Now a bunch of us are shaking our heads that we should have listened more. These same people who hyjacked our branch of Occupy are now suspiciously running for office or writing pro-local government notes on their facebooks. I suggest you get in contact with others who feel the same and have a meeting. We realized after talking to others that we gave these people the power to alienate us. We must bring positive energy back into our local occupies. Those that wish to derail the movement will only succeed if we allow them to. You have my support. I believe you when you say it was infiltrated. This is something everyone must be on the lookout for.
Lets spread the word to everyone we know. I can tell you are on our side by your tone. We can't let this movement go, but we may need to do something to take it back or start another one where the opposition can't get a foot hold. Recognize them, not by their words ,but by their deeds! I believe the opposition has taken control and silenced the majority, in the occupy wall street movement!
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Who sell the tents? We could continue this movement without puppeteers.
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That's how I see OWS, as being run bye 1% and making sure that the solution is 100 miles away from those that destroyed our government and economy.
People are mad, but the powers need to channel that anger towards an innocent party, this is history.
If you watch OWS closely you'll see that virtually everything is censored and controlled that doesn't represent the 1% 'talking-points',
It's quite clear that a FREE&OPEN alternative to OWS must open up and quick or else 'protesting' as we know it will be made illegal by design.
You are right the 1% do run it. more like the .001%. but not the rich % you are thinking, but rather the fringe marxists radicals who have no real support, are quietly stirring up citizen angst to further their cause, and using people to spread the message in the hopes that violence is going to break out and there can be a revolution. Everyone should read Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky. I don't say follow it, but at least you will see how OWS supporters are being played by this other 1% or less.
I believe that is why we desperately need government and social reforms, so that fringe groups ,will not be able to find an audience, for their destructive motives. Desperate people can be swayed into committing desperate acts.
Indeed.
I have head something like that on truth dig. Russel Simmons, what is he up to?
I have no idea.
That pushy woman you met was an A I P A C representative, for the DEM party, you obviously have NEVER spent anytime with the ALT community.
OWS is a FRONT for A I P A C, ever been to a UN meeting locally its the same way, you speak, and later they follow up like a scientologist or a mooney, or amway, and want to know all about you. When you see OWS being ran by these kinds of people, when you see them deleting subjects that contain the word "a i p a c", then you know you have met the beast.
Why in hell do they have to change r o n p a u l to lawl? Cuz they're assholes and I'm not even a RP supporter,
I demand they change OBAMA to OREO everytime someone posts its only fair
I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about.
When large, powerful criminals feel that they are close to getting caught doing illegal, immoral, and dangerous things in society, their first course of action is to deflect all suspicion away from themselves and onto those who are trying to expose them. Vilify, discredit, disseminate lies, create suspicion-make those people seem so outrageously "out there" that no one will listen to them. Bribe whomever you have to in the process. Buy people's silence.
If that doesn't work, and people actually do start to put the pieces together in significant numbers, then they have to destroy all the evidence! Burn your methods and systems and paperwork to the ground so no one will ever find out what you've been doing. Threaten everyone who "knows" that if they (the big dogs) go down, that they'll take all the little dogs with them.
Who is it that launched a crusade to take down Wall Street? Surely it can't be the actual people who depend on Wall Street to earn their livings. That would be suicide. And it would have to be someone rich enough and invested enough all over the world to be able to ride out the resulting demolition of Wall Street without losing a whole lot in the process. Who is it that would actually benefit if all the evidence disappeared...or if someone else took all the blame and appeased those demanding answers and justice? Who is it that really doesn't have any loyalty to "America" and it's history and it's people? Who is it that has demonstrated the power and the resources to collapse smaller economies WHILE AT THE SAME TIME making millions (if not billions) in the process?
Who is it that nearly doubled his billions in wealth DURING the crash and stimulus and economic panic of the past three years? Who is it that visited the White House for private meetings PRIOR to the meltdown, immediately invested in MILLIONS of shares in A LOT of the supposedly unknown companies that would benefit from the upcoming bailouts and stimulus....which again, would nearly double his personal wealth?
George Soros. Who funds The Tides Foundation, MoveOn.org, SEIU, Media Matters, Center for American Progress and more? Who "owns" more journalists than Rupert Murdoch could ever hope to?
Here's a link to get you started...there's so much more out there if you actually WANT to know the truth-http://www.earstohear.net/soros.html
No one else out there is powerful enough to pull these groups together. And people like the Koch brothers might be rich and they might be evil....but in destroying the economy and Wall Street, they'd be shooting themselves in the head at the same time. They'd lose everything in the process. THINK people.
"George Soros. Who funds The Tides Foundation, MoveOn.org, SEIU, Media Matters, Center for American Progress and more?"
Most of what you say is true and to the general public it is hidden in plane sight. However I believe it is becoming a struggle for the original instigators to remain in control and steer this movement in the direction they wish.
“Who’s behind the Wall St. protests?” Reuters reported on the billionaire’s(George Soros) connection to Adbusters, the magazine that is reported to have come up with the Occupy Wall Street idea after Arab Spring protests toppled governments in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia.
"No matter what happens next, the movement’s center is likely to shift from the N.Y.C.G.A., just as it shifted from Adbusters, and form somewhere else, around some other circle of people, ideas, and plans. “This could be the greatest thing that I work on in my life,” Justine Tunney, of OccupyWallSt.org, said. “But the movement will have other Web sites. Over the coming weeks and months, as other occupations become more prominent, ours will slowly become irrelevant.” She sounded as though the irrelevance of her project were both inevitable and desirable. “We can’t hold on to any of that authority,” she continued. “We don’t want to.”"
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/11/28/111128fa_fact_schwartz?currentPage=all
Wow, well you're really well spoken, but I'm not sure if I agree with what you are saying? In my opinion, if I am sympathetic to the 1%, and I know that the revolution is coming, because it is happening all over the world, then maybe I want to create my own movement and control it, by putting my people in leadership positions.. In this way, I can water down the message, marginalize people and get them out of the movement. Then as no clear message develops, the protesters get tired and go home and the staus quo remains.
I can tell that you are mostly right. But the Forces that attempt to control and really use as much as they can this movement are two different Groups, Adversaries and even Enemies among them, yet cooperating against we the People. The many authentic and genuine Occupyers cannot know or understand that. Beware of two things: to unknowingly serve the ACTIVE FORCES OF ONE WORLD RELIGION who are the TRUE OCCUPYERS as they OCCUPY THE US BUT ARE NOT SEEABLES SINCE THERE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS. They use massive mind Control so that people don't undertand where their ideas come from. In the same way the RCC is the other group; the one behind the RAID OF ZUCCOTI PARK AND ALSO THE ONE WHO INSPIRED THE NYPD OFFICERS TO DRIVE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND THOSE WITH DRUG AND ALCOHOL PROBLEMS INTO THE PARK SO AS TO DEMONIZE AND BELITTLE THE MOVEMENT. ONLY GREATER AWARENESS CAN HELP SEE THAT. This is the reason why I am creating here in NY city the GRISP :GROUP FOR REALISM, INTELLIGENCE, SPIRITUALITY, AND POLITICS. Those who have experience and or knowledge about these issues are the only ones that need to join. OUR SINCERES BROTHERS AND OURSELVES SHALL BE PROTECTED AND OUR MOVEMENT MUST GET ITS WAY
It's controlled by anarchists.