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Forum Post: If You Still BeLIEve the Official Story....

Posted 3 years ago on Nov. 23, 2011, 5:10 p.m. EST by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID
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http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=5f48a6eaf13832800076ce55ba225c87&topic=21825.0

Don't reply with your nonsensical garbage until you have watched all 3 videos...please!

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[-] 2 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 3 years ago

I think instead of blindly following one entire movement like a bunch of sheep, we each stand up and think individually for ourselves. You might notice that with just a little prayer and meditation you will receive 'downloads' and your eyes will become open to know what you personally must do. Each and every one of us of plays a very important part in this game of life and the battle between good and evil.

But don't listen to anything I, or anyone else has to say...think for yourself and question authority.

[-] 1 points by rayparker (8) 3 years ago

With free thinking and how little people do, you would think it cost money to think for yourself. Maybe call it fee thinking.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

The video will give some idea of who Delgado is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2FFSAhTcA

Michel Salomon:

Are you predicting a kind of mental revolution?

José Delgado:

It is possible, although perhaps utopian, like all hopes for mankind.
Thinking for one's self requires a lot of energy and effort and it is easier to follow the masses and do what one is told. If, however, instead of leaving the future to those in charge of the mass media and having people trained simply to obey commands, so that personality is indeed created by Big Brother, we train people to evaluate information, give them alternatives, give them weapons - techniques - of mental self defense, they can become actively involved in the development, the genesis of their own psyches, which I call psychogenesis. The discipline of psychogensis should give the individual awareness of his own mental powers and mechanisms, and therefore greater freedom. Psycho genesis should be taught like geography or physics, but it is even more important because it cam help each person to be more individual and to direct his own life.

[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

José Delgado: Brain implants for 50 years. Are you simply ignoring him?

[-] 1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

Indeed. The only place worth leading people to is their own conscience and individual faculties of reason. When we let others do our thinking for us, we can rest assured that some will use it against us.

Regarding the videos: if you want to get to the part directly relevant to OWS go to the third video. Bear in mind that video was made thee days after OWS began, and had absolutely no direct connection to OWS.

As far as I know, OWS grew out of protests intended to promote the interests of 9/11 first responders who are now dying at alarming rates. IOW, OWS was born from the 9/11 Truth movement.

[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Do you have a stoplight in your town?

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

No, But we're thinking about about getting with the program sometime soon :). We do have automobiles and some of us even gots a fandaangled tv set.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

At least you have land to grow food on.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

Yes! this is probably one of the things that matters most.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

That is a frightening fact.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

http://c-realmpodcast.podomatic.com/

Scroll down to Episode 76 and 77. Some good information on the topic of: how you get your food.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 2 years ago

Ha! A blast from the past!

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 2 years ago

unamerican. wouldnt expect anything less from the 99% douchebags.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

What is unamerican? not believing in the official story? do you think you could be more spefic so my little douchebag mind can understand what the fuck you're talking about?

[-] 1 points by jbob (74) 2 years ago

its unamerican that we can go from being the most patriotic we will be in our lives and coming together as a country, not caring about race or political party, to in only ten years questioning "the official story" and totally forgetting how horrible this event was, and how it made us feel that day. you people forgot what it means to be american. we need to get back to the way we were the days after 9/11. be patriotic and come together. you people make fun of us that say the the US is the greatest country calling us rednecks and hillbillys. and i think that just shows how ingnorant and antiamerican you people are to make fun of someone that doesnt forget how they felt on 9/11. weather the official story is true or not just remember how you felt that day, remember what it meant to be american and patriotic.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

You think we don't feel bad that these events had to take place? No, we feel just as horrible as everybody else. We're not questioning if they ever happened or not.

What we're questioning is who was responsible for the events and who had the power to prevent them from ever happening in the first place, but sat around, and did nothing to prevent them. And who was in a position to profit from the subsequent 'patriot acts' and wars that were to follow in the next ten years. We're questioning the motives of the people who took advantage of these events and used the emotions of their own Americans to wage war and greatly profit from this whole mess. If anything, it is certain lobbyists, politicians, contractors, and businessmen which are the douchebags and who are unAmerican traitors.

you are very misinformed...if you would only open your eyes, you would see that IT IS the 99% who are very patriotic and they ARE the ones coming together and trying to stop this country from being hijacked YET AGAIN by TRAITORS.

It blows my fucking mind how ignorant, misinformed, and sheeplike all the naysayers of the occupy movement really are. It's just fucking SAD!!!

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Every day 9/11 is on my mind.

"You think we don't feel bad that these events had to take place? No, we feel just as horrible as everybody else. We're not questioning if they ever happened or not."

I recall when I was reading through the NIST report sections describing the fires and how photographic evidence tracked the progress of the fires. I promised myself that I would never reduce this to a simple intellectual game of trying to solve a puzzle. I resolved to never think about those buildings without thinking about the thousands of innocent lives snuffed out by the crime of that day.

Far from ignoring the pain and suffering of that day, I draw on it for my motivation to see Truth and Justice.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

"you people forgot what it means to be american." No sir!

"Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence. It is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind those we are obliged to trust with power.... In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jeffferson, 1799

You are thinking with your emotions not your intellect.

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[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Watch this video in three parts. ~25 minutes. It explains a lot. Here's the corresponding science:

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/12/glaring-proof-of-something-hotter-than.html

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

Science? Scientists don't write articles with the words "Glaring Proof" in them. They provide the proof in the content of their articles, so they don't have to decorate their titles to make up for it. They also publish in peer-reviewed journals, not in self serving blogs.

This line in bold letters in the middle of the article is highly dubious:

"I am firmly convinced that it is irrefutable."

It's a major red flag, especially since it's written in bold. Nobody cares if a scientist is firmly convinced because he provides his calculations and his experiment details for other scientists to try it out for themselves.

In any case, this has all been debunked years ago. Old news, let's move on.

[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

I demand the debunking! Posthaste!

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Molten iron 9/11/01 at the WTC. I note that you attacked the most subjective elements of my essay, but neglected to even attempt a refutation of the objective evidence and reasoning. I'm not sure which of the formal fallacies apply to your tactic. I call it ducking the question.

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/12/glaring-proof-of-something-hotter-than.html

[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

I wrote it, so refute it!

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

Why don't you submit it to a peer-reviewed scientific journal?

[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Politics trumps science in the 21st century.

Because it's too elementary. Anybody who understands physics knows that those conclusions follow. If it has not already been discussed by professional physicists in their professional journals, the exclusion is due to politics, not science.

"To undermine scientific integrity is to undermine our democracy". ~ Barack Obama

http://911expertsspeakout.org/

Watch 9/11 Explosive Evidence, Experts Speak Out, Ver. 1.3

“Learn Why 43 Technical & Building Professionals are Calling for a New Investigation into the Events of 9/11! Watch 9/11, Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out and Learn Why You Should Too!” Just a mere and simple utterance of the word, 9/11, or September 11th, or any other various related terms can stir up a cauldron of emotion – and it runs the entire spectrum. From steadfast defenders of the government’s official explanation of what happened on 9/11 to those arguing theories … [Read More...]

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

"Politics trumps science in the 21st century."

"Because it's too elementary. Anybody who understands physics knows that those conclusions follow. If it has not already been discussed by professional physicists in their professional journals, the exclusion is due to politics, not science."

""To undermine scientific integrity is to undermine our democracy". ~ Barack Obama"

The typical, but extremely weak comeback.

I'm preparing a post that to debunk your claims. That is why I am not commenting here.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Refuting the Laws of Nature? This should be interesting. I can hardly wait. Please do hurry. There are criminals to prosecute.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

ignore him. he is not with OWS. he spends all of his time trying to marginalize and divide.

[-] 1 points by rockyracoon2 (276) 2 years ago

yes, this is the case. this entity spews dis information and mis information

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

He's useful.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

This page already refutes your lame claims: http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm But, I'm going to go in a different direction.

As for criminals being prosecuted. Well, it's been ten years and your movement as proved nothing. There comes a time when you should give up. It makes Truthers looks extremely bad that you are here on a random forum trying to convince random people. That's being desperate for hits, and is not very positive for your position.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Molten iron 9/11/01 WTC2.

A trickle of sparks captured by long exposure at dusk looks nothing like the molten iron flowing from WTC2 just prior to collapse.

Here's the evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qv1WV4tQLw

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

Why is your movement so desperate that you try to prove your claims on random forums to people you don't even know by posting youtube videos? Isn't this a major waste of time. Why don't you publish your articles in peer-reviewed journals and engage in talk with serious scientists? Does people like Stephen Hawking waste his time trying to convince strangers in a forum for his ideas? You're scrubbing the bottom of the barrel.

[-] 1 points by weepngwillo2 (277) 2 years ago

The movement of the 9/11 conspiracy and OWS are two separate, completely separate groups. The 99% is very diverse, you will also find both pro-lifers and pro-choicers in the 99%, Christians and Buddhists, (hopefully soon to be former) Republicans and Democrats, not to mention Anarchists, Libertarians and even Tea Parties. We are looking past these differences in each other to see the larger truth, that our government has been bought and paid for and we are fed up. Please stop trying to lump other movements into OWS, just because there are a few in the group that believe a certain way. Try to have a little more decency and tolerance please. You will catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Journal of 9/11 Studies? http://www.journalof911studies.com/

[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

Thanks for posting that. I not that discussions of that topic are being weeded out on this site. Why do people who run sites like this treat their participants with such disdain. Do they believe they know what is right for us to the point that we cannot even use our own minds to determine that for ourselves?

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 2 years ago

They seem not to be doing that now.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

This site DOES censor!

Whoop! Spoke too soon! I just had an article by Pat Buch@nan pulled. I guess antiwar.org is too right-wing for the moderators. And advocating against voting Republican because they are likely to get us into war with Iran is unacceptable.

They apparently have a list of forbidden names such as David !rving and G@rmar Rudolph, or some such.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I could definitely see why they don't want associating with David Irving. As of now they seem to be letting 911 Truth alone.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

I wasn't advocating for any of them. It's just that a similar name and topic was mentioned, not endorsed, in the article that was immediately removed. I'm not a fan of censorship. As a mater of fact, I find it to be reprehensible. The only time it seems appropriated is when a person is clearly trying to disrupt honest communication.

Did you find the article that was pulled from this site?

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Yes I found the Pat Buchanan article. David Irving and Pat Buchanan are both associated by many with anti antisemitism. I could understand the people who run this website want no connection with them, and i find it difficult to see how Occupy benefits from anything like that. They've not been so harsh on 9/11 truth. Perhaps they see that a not tiny proportion of Occupy supporters do not believe the boxcutter fairy tale, and that a large number of informed 99ers (those who do not think Saddam Hussein attacked the WTC) are at the least very doubtful of the official story.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

That is intellectual cowardice. I've been labled as a racist by people such as Victoria Ashley because I don't toe her line. Never mind my Jamaican girlfriend. The idea that I cannot even quote a relevant article by Buchanan because the usual suspects have successfully defamed him is evidence that the moderators are subservient to the forces they feign to oppose.

I can listen to people who have expressed opinions I disagree with. I can cite Cynthia McKinney and Paul Craig Roberts in the same breath without contradiction.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 2 years ago

"I can listen to people who have expressed opinions I disagree with. I can cite Cynthia McKinney and Paul Craig Roberts in the same breath without contradiction."

Me too.

I'm not agreeing, just saying there is some political logic to OW keeping very far away from Irving and Buchanan.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Honor before political logic! I discovered something in my miss-spent youth in between arrests and dropping out of school. Truth is sacred. I ain't no Christian but John 18:38, and surrounding text.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

9/11 Truth is an OWS essential. Did you see this?

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-failure-to-investigate-911-has-bankrupted-amer/#comment-475213

Are you aware of those connections?

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I'm aware of what you commented on there. No criminality by that gang would surprise me. I can make a case in my own mind for OW to shun 911 Truth. A movement that is already proving itself effective has to be careful how it treads. "Effective" The .01% don't like effective 99'ers. Pisses them off. Then who knows what coincidences might follow?

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

How is OWS effective, so far? I'm not trying to discourage people, but if exposing the perpetrators of the biggest crime in US history is beyond the reach of OWS, it seems rather impotent.

The first thing OWS participants should do is get educated about 9/11. Many of them seem oblivious to it. They may see 9/11 Truth as a "fringe issue" because they don't know the facts. Anybody who does take the time to figure out the basics will immediately realize the importance.

The Bankster kingpins will gladly throw a few CEOs over the castle walls to sate the blood-thirst of the angry mob. The ones most likely to get sacrificed are the ones most sympathetic to our cause.

When people wake up to the fact that 9/11 was perpetrated by the hyper rich kleptocrats, and not dirt poor religious fanatics, they will not be satisfied with a few token scapegoats.

[-] -1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I don't want to defend OW's boycott of the 9/11 issue. Just saying it could be sensible. They're moved the center of debate way to the left and from what I'm reading some of the one percenters' leading thinkers are worried about i(edit)

At least this website is not eradicating posts nor banning posters as of now. Maybe they've moved a bit?

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

This site is eradicating posts. It just happened to me.

google site:antiwar.com "Is a vote for the Republican Party in 2012 a vote for war?" to find the forbidden content.

[-] 0 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 3 years ago

I agree. All opinions should be subject to existence, until they can be refuted or otherwise worked with.

[-] 0 points by rayparker (8) 3 years ago

this the problem I had with the Ron Lawl forums. I like the guy, believe in his ideas but for some reason the supporters have a funny take on free speech and all things "conspiracy".

[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

I have to wonder what motivates the ban on "conspiracy theories". Is it ignorance or something more malicious?

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 3 years ago

I hope it is mere ignorance...because if it is not ignorance...(ohp, it's time for supper someone can finish this senta

[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

I don't see this thread in the active list anymore. They are working hard to banish Truth here. I call out the moderator. Make arrangements to show up in person or virtually at McPhereson Square this weekend. Tell me when and I will be there to debate the topic in public. when I was down at McPhereson a few days ago, I found people to be interested in what I had to say, but largely ignorant of the facts.

[-] -1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

This is strange. The thread seems to be vanishing are reappearing. My last post is gone too.