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Forum Post: I am NOT a Marxist, but I DO Consider Myself One of The 99%... Why Are We Showing Marxist Videos. I Want Reformed Capitalism. I Want Ethics To Be Higher Then Law. I want a National Credit Union Run By The Treasury. I Want Ecological and Binary Economics.

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 16, 2011, 12:17 p.m. EST by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY
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Please Reform This Movement To Reform Our Nation!

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[-] 2 points by mserfas (652) from Ashland, PA 12 years ago

It's nice to see someone suggest some pragmatic changes - that "national credit union run by the treasury" sounds like a keeper!

Especially "Binary economics" is a phrase that everyone here should learn and get to understand. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_economics for some basics.

Heh, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Kelso

"The Roman arena was technically a level playing field. But on one side were the lions with all the weapons, and on the other the Christians with all the blood. That's not a level playing field. That's a slaughter. And so is putting people into the economy without equipping them with capital, while equipping a tiny handful of people with hundreds and thousands of times more than they can use."

--Louis O. Kelso in Bill Moyers: A World of Ideas, (1990)

[-] 1 points by ustaknow (14) 12 years ago

because is dysfunctional and misguided- it has been infiltrated by marxist and extremist and therefore it will fail because it is not focused on any one set of common goals. Taxes are just one example- so many follish comments about that that it is silly. i was for the Movement but now I am sorely dissapointed becasue it is splintered and lacks direction and now even the money trail associated to it is showing same signs of corporate cronyism where the money mangers are splurging

[-] 1 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 12 years ago

Never heard of binary economics, but a quick look sounds interesting. Something to look more into. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 12 years ago

Capitalism is institutionalized corruption.

Saying you want 'ethical capitalism' is like saying you want 'tolerant nazis'... The two things are mutually exclusive.

Only an economic philosophy founded on the teachings of Marx - one in which everyone is equal - can give us anything even approaching an ethical society.

[-] 1 points by Solver993 (8) 12 years ago

“For any public company, only real person shareholders, selected by a pure lottery of shares owned, may nominate directors.” Control is returned to the people, not Wall Street nor Congress.

Profoundly Simple OWS Goal: Control Directors, Reform Business

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

The key to a reformed capitalism is to prevent any concentrations of power that can overshadow our democracy, i.e., keep businesses relatively small.

This will have many other benefits also.

  1. Too big to fail means too big to exist. Why should the fall of any company be a danger to the country?

  2. Smaller companies cannot avoid competition (which degenerate monopoly/cartel capitalism squelches) so innovation is spurred.

  3. Smaller companies would employ many more people.

The prices would be higher (and would have to protected behind tariffs) but if we all had better jobs, who would care.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Welcome to the PARTY!

Now join a group, get active, get phone numbers. Talk to people, and above all:

make yourself heard!

[-] 1 points by hidden (430) from Los Angeles, CA 12 years ago

You don't have to be Marksist to agree with he critique of Capitalism. Your hope to reform capitalism is utopian. It's like saying "I want terrorism but peaceful terrorism".

[-] 1 points by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY 12 years ago

ummm. No.

demandthegoodlife.com

[-] 1 points by hidden (430) from Los Angeles, CA 12 years ago

Thanks, through I better off pyramid schemes.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Marky Mark remarks on Marxism mixing media without Minimal definition

[-] 1 points by lonespectator (106) 12 years ago

Once again an example of the failure of OWS to do anything to truly progress the movement to the source in DC. These foolish assemblies in NYC have done nothing but taint you position and rapidly lose support. Nov 6th, you had the opportunity to promote "Occupy the White House" but chose to secretly support "stop the pipeline while working with the DNC and (I've since discovered) the National Democractic Socilist Party. This is why you are falling apart at the General Assembly level, and continue to attract the Black Bloc Anarchists.. Stop this foolishness in NYC now, and Amass at the White House to Occupy the White House..Occupy the peoples house and Congress. OWH. That is what the majority of the Occupy movement is calling for, and now seems to be landing on "deaf ears" as this Nov. 17th operation will prove. This is your end..Your self-destruction. GO TO WASHINGTON..The Capitol Police will not steal your tents and Generators. OWH..Take your demands to the source. The President supports you and wants you there now. OWH Now!!!

[-] 1 points by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY 12 years ago

washington has been designed and prepared TO MANAGE big protests for years. DC cops are the toughest. DC laws the strictest. the protest will be routed to go nowhere and broken up very quickly. PLus there aren't stores on every corner (for things like water) like in NY. DC is spread out and designed to "take the steam out" of protests. You are recommending suicide.

[-] 1 points by roscoesdad27 (106) from Aberdeen, MD 12 years ago

"The president supports you"......I agree we need to march on Washington but that uncle Tom don't support us.

[-] 1 points by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Who Is WIth Me?

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 12 years ago

How are you apple? Or shall I call you Mr. Malobrodsky?

[-] 1 points by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY 12 years ago

wink

[-] 0 points by david19harness (87) 12 years ago

OK then SirPoeticJustice, put ye WANTS in writing. This would cause another elected representative to put the opposition's COMPETING VERSION in writing.

So ye problem remains, DECIDING. Consider then as a MEANS to decide: http://occupywallst.org/forum/public-vote-option-on-competing-democratic-vs-repu/ vs-republican versions of a Congressional bill.

Yea (revive Constitution from near-death experience) or Nay (OWS approach-avoidance)?

[-] 1 points by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY 12 years ago

I LIKE the concept of libertarian communism. But why are you picking on white people? They will soon be the minority asking for affirmative action.

Not all white people are wealthy. Why make the poor white folks pay for what the wealthy ones have done?????????

You had me. I was going to join your movement until I saw the racism.

We all come from the same family. this is scientific fact. Why perpetuate hate through advocating racism.

THis theory that all white people are racist because they carry internalized oppression is not logical or true.

Internalized oppression is oppression of the self by outside propaganda or super-ego.

It is racist to say that all white people are racist.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 12 years ago

Who's picking on white people? Are you scared MikeYD because you live in a trailer park in Alameba?

I'm not an occupier. I posted the link so you could learn more. I don't espouse the thinking behind that article.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 12 years ago

Here's a chance for you to learn more. It's Alabama, not Alebama.

[-] 1 points by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Who is MikeYD?

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 12 years ago

He is a troll who has used all these usernames. Perhaps he was posing as you? I was testing to see.

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