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Forum Post: How Nice

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 2, 2012, 6:24 p.m. EST by JimBeam (152)
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How nice that the President has come back from his 4 million dollar taxpayer paid vacation to start work on the rest of us. He is so thoughtful.



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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

A reporter estimated the vacation to be approximately four million dollars. That is the reason that we didn't bring a link? Is there any reason that nobody has made an attempt to list costs that the president has to pay for himself and his family?

I'm just curious. Now either you do not know what it is that the President and family has to pay for, which is fine, or this is just an attempt to smear him so that you can keep up the rhetoric.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

No it's very clear and will be published in about a month or so and then we will all know. He does not pay for transportation (AF 1), he does not pay for a car (Official Presidential Limo and motorcade), we will find out if he actually paid for his hotel room (50/50 on that most of the time), not to mention the other rooms in that hotel on that floor that could not be occupied while he was there (if they made him pay for that). It was no different with Bush with the exception that he usually went to Camp David or Crawford which was his residence in Texas.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

No, actually, it isn't very clear. That information comes from an estimate put out by a reporter in Hawaii. He paid for the housing rental as he was supposed to because he was on vacation. So let's cut the shit. He has to buy the food as he is supposed to.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

You obviously have no clue. Every trip cost is put out in a report between 30 and 45 days after it is complete. It is available to the public at that time. I hope, the estimate is wrong but the normal cost of any domestic presidential trip not counting lodging and food is usually between 2.5 and 3 million. I don't care when it costs us that for an official trip, but why should we as American's have to foot any of the bill when it's a "Vacation." That's the point. It doesn't matter who the President is that is BS that we have to foot that bill.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

Oh, I have clue as indicated with my first post. The four million dollars started with an estimation by a reporter in Hawaii. The fact of the matter is that he `cannot very well just jump on a regular old airplane, now can he? He cannot very well just jump in a car and drive where ever the hell he wants, now can he? There are also always going to be people that will surround him and there are going to be people surrounding for 10 years after he is no longer President as well. There are certain costs that he has to pick up-because that is how it goes. There are certain costs that have to be picked up by the people, because that is how that goes.

You could have just as easily waited until the report came out so that you could lay that out, but you didn't.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

As well you could have said, lets wait until the report comes out before we judge but you didn't. It's called open discussion about the issues. This particular issue I have followed for a number of years and can speak on with a fair amount of knowledge. Since Ronald Reagan, the president who has actually cost us the least on these "Vacations" was Clinton, second was Bush 1, third was Bush 2, then Regan. If Obama is elected for a second term, he will eclips all of them by the time he has been in office for 5 years. It's not hard info to find out it is published on many GAO reports.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

I am not the one that started the thread rehashing every right wing crap paper on the net either.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

So now GAO reports are right wing? I think you and I are on the same side of the fence you are just looking at it from an Obama love child prospective while I am looking at it from a fiscal issue during these times of financial harship on most Americans. More to the point, why the hell is he taking a vacation at a time when he and Congress should be working to fix the complete mess they have collectively caused, that's the real question.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago


The four million dollar estimate reported by the reporter is all over the net. I am not anyone's love child. More to the point- Is congress on vacation? Why would you even ask that?

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

Yes, that is my point exactly!!!!!! Why are any of them on vacation at this particular time when the country is suffering! If they were serious about fixing it, the President would have stayed in Washington and forced Congress to stay until the matter is either fixed or atleast had a reasonable plan and road map to success. Epic fail on both! Obama for lack of leadership and Congress for lack of give a shit.

[-] 1 points by hejackjr (1) 12 years ago

Unfair. Whether you passionately love, or passionately hate the President, keep in mind that it is a 24+/7+ job. A "vacation" is only a change of location, a change of scenery. Wherever he or she is at the moment, at all times they must be ready to respond to whatever demands their action (including the nuclear bomb). When away from the office, Air Force One is always there with the President providing ALL of the services of the White House in Washington.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

Not unfair, none of them should be on vacation while the rest of the country suffers. The President has failed to lead and Congress just doesn't care.

[-] 1 points by Menton (26) from New York, NY 12 years ago

...like the time GW Bush flew back from vacation over New Orleans / Katrina and gave us a big smile.

[-] 0 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

Exactly the same only that trip didn't cost you and me 4 million.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 12 years ago

I wonder how the Obmination would have dealt with 911 or Katrina? He probably would have taken a vacation.

He knows he's toast and is taking advantage of being in office right now. His days are "numbered.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

No, No, he would have negotiated with Al Queda and made things all better. He would have created a Mother Nature Czar to take care of the likes of Katrina.


[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

So what?

Prove the 4 million claim, with itemization, please.

[-] 0 points by survivor514 (65) 12 years ago

It's all over the news and internet. I dont see how anybody with half a brain could miss it

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

Why do you feel the need, to bait with insults?

One of your many survival skills?

[-] 0 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

Is it so what or do you want the itemization? It will be publicaly available in the next month or two. Transportation and security alone usually comes to about 2.5 or 3 million for a week long presidential trip, so the last million will be the itemization part. I'll be happy to post it for you once made public.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago


Where would you prefer he vacationed?

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

I don't care where he vacations, but do it on his own dime like the rest of us do.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

Well, get back to us, once you get verifiable info.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

Easy day, it is always released about a month or so after the event and is published on several government web sites.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

the rest of us don't have to worry about being a target of right wing scumbags and other assorted worthless fucks, both homegrown and international.

Perhaps you would simply prefer it if he didn't have the Secret Service covering his ass.

Perhaps you would like to calculate for us how much it costs the U.S. tax payer to cover Bush? still

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

Almost this same thing was reported back in 1922 about global warming and the polar icecaps. The scientists emails are what have changed my mind to it.

November 2nd, 1922. Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.

A Washington, D.C. resident John Lockwood was conducting research at the Library of Congress and came across an intriguing headline in the Nov. 2, 1922 edition of The Washington Post: Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.

The article mentions “great masses of ice have now been replaced by moraines of earth and stones,” and “at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.”

The original source of the story resurfacing recently was from an Inside the Beltway column of August 14th, 2007. The newspaper article was located in the Library of Congress archives by James Lockwood.

Here is the text of the Washington Post (Associated Press) article:

The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. UPDATE:

The source report of the Washington Post article on changes in the arctic has been found in the Monthly Weather Review for November 1922. It is much more detailed than the Washington Post (Associated Press) article. It seems the AP heaviliy relied on the report from Norway Consulate George Iffts truth.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

never heard of it.

I live in Vermont. been here 51 years.

Worked outside most of my life.

Right now the ground outside isn't even frozen. Ice fishing hasn't even started. Some of the birds that normally fly south aren't.

Global Warming.

It's right outside the goddamned window.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

I love Vermont, I am originally from upstate NY very close to Berlington.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

That would be BUrlington.

and sounds like you are talking Plattsburgh.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

lol, yup Burlington and I'm from Whitehall originally. I use to float across the border between states while hunting (The bigger dear always seemed to be on your side).

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

We've got some sizable deer that wander through my back yard.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

I missed the season up there this year. I was out of the country until the end of November so I will be looking forward to getting back up there next year. I also buy alot of antiques up at Quechee Gorge so I can't wait to get back there.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

friends in the secret service and out of the country for deer season. No one I know who hunts misses deer season. It's a given. If mother is pregnant, she just better cross her legs till huntin' season is over - cuz the boyz take dear camp pretty serious.

Never been deer huntin myself.

and someone who disses my President.

you sound dangerous.

You just remember -

There aren't any deer in DC.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

LMAO!!! I do hate to miss deer season. I was up there last year for it and had a great time (only 2 weeks though). I went to Tenn to hunt wild hogs earlier last year so it wasn't a total loss. Beyone a few squirles and alot of pidgeons there is nothing else worth hunting in DC. I'm not dangerous at all. I only own a small assortment of firearms, a couple of rifles, a shotgun and a few handguns.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I'm not dangerous at all.

yeah-ya - cultivating friends in the secret service, out ah town? out ah the country! for deer season . . . all sounds fishy to me . . .

You were pro'lly over in Egypt fomenting dissent, and that's why the generals are all so pissed.

you leave the secret service alone - they got enough on their hands as it is.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

I happen to have two very good friends of mine who are in the Secret Service at the WH. Those are not the expenses to worry about, they get paid either way. It's funny how this conversation would be in reverse if I was talking about a Republican. You fuck bags would be all up in arms about that one being on vacation but because it's the holy one, it's ok. Either way to me, I think they should pay for there own vacations just like the rest of us do regardless of party.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

You fuck bags

Obviously you are talking about someone else - I take it as a given that the expense of someone on vacation who is in service to this republic in the capacity of President is going to be way above what anyone else would consider paying, and for obvious reasons.

I never complained about the amount of time Bush spent on his ranch. In fact, I was constantly wishing he would have simply stayed there.

That fuck wasn't elected in 2000 - one of my principle complaints, but by no means the only one. It's just first on my list.

I think they should pay for there own vacations

And I disagree - the President deserves a break from the DC looking glass. So does his wife and kids. It shouldn't be a subject of partisan bickering.

The repelican policy of financial deregulation is an entirely different matter.

[-] 0 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

This is from 2010:

"By Knoller's count, Saturday's golfing outing with Biden was Obama's 39th round of golf since he took office (and his 7th since the start of the oil spill on April 20th)" which is over 2 times per month. In the last month Knoller has fed information to The Wall Street Journal showing that Obama has already golfed more in 20 months than his predecessor did in his entire two terms of 8 years!

According to Knoller; by the end of August, 2010, Obama will have taken nine vacation trips (48 days). Among the locations were Chicago (twice) and Asheville, N.C., for long weekends; Hawaii, a week and Martha's Vineyard for over two weeks. In addition, by Knoller's count; the Obamas have enjoyed, at tax payer's expense, 33 gala night events away from the White House. Some are quasi-business related, but also include date nights with the first lady at the best restaurants in Washington, New York and Paris, and theater outings like the one in June they took to see Thurgood at the Kennedy Center. The Obama's have also stayed at Camp David for 14 visits to the presidential retreat for 32 days. Add up just these days and it totals 113 days. Then add in the 7 day trip to get the Nobel prize and the 39 days golfing which equals a total of 159 days out of the short 20 months (608 days) or over 26% of the time he has occupied the White House. This does not count the holidays and weekends that are family "non-working" days.

During the those same 20 months since Obama began his regime, the average American family has taken less that 21 days of vacation, IF they are employed.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

So? you've proved you are a party hack - and that's about it.

As if the President is ever, really, on vacation


[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

Not at all, bush was just as active in Crawford. My point is that it is something that we should not accept. As a matter of fact, there are some numbers out there that say Bushyboy was on vacation for over 800 days. Now those types of numbers of course come from sources like the Sluffington Post, but just the same, he spent a great deal of time in Texas. I think he had like 12 world leader visits out there instead of in Washington.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I think he had like 12 world leader visits out there instead of in Washington.

so every single time he had a dignitary over, it could be labeled a working vacation

There are plenty of other things to complain about regarding the President - past or present.

the Sluffington Post,


yer a party hack

the repelican party is DONE

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

So I can consider you a Liberal party hack? I clearly demonstrated that is an issue regardless of party.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

the Sluffington Post,

you said. Your words.

I'm not affiliated with either party. But I would note - the repelican party is DONE

based on -

  • their own lies re global warming

  • their policy of deregulation - including deregulation of the financial sector

I'm a bit anomalous among the Occupy folk. I tend to be conservative on defense issues - progressive on civil rights issues - and socialist on health, energy and infrastructure issues.

And no - I will not bend my thinking based on clever or insidious arguments to the contrary.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 12 years ago

Almost Agree completly. Although I think global warming is a bunch of BS, deregulation of the financial sector is dangerous. Global warming is a money making venture that prays on the environmentalists and deregulating the financial sector will put us right back where we were 6 years ago and headed to another collapse.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Cap and trade might be a scam - don't know - I never figured it was a good solution.

But the arctic ice is melting. The permafrost is melting. The glaciers are shrinking - go to Glacier National Park and see for yourself.

There are a variety of other sources here:

Or watch last seasons Ice Road Truckers - they document that the season for accessing remote Inuit villages during the winter is getting shorter every year.


[-] -1 points by PileOfSmegAKAZenDog (-30) 12 years ago

Do not pay any attention to anything I say, you know I am a pile of turgid smeg.