Forum Post: Good try you guys, good try.
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 26, 2011, 12:16 a.m. EST by Durrn
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Think of it like this.
You are the elite. There is a hoard of people at your door complaining about how things aren't fair (Even though you have it best in the world!!). You see a rabble of people, each with there own message, there own complaint, there own demands.
Clearly these people do not have there shit together. Clearly this rabble of people is not the same as one organized group with one, or two demands. Clearly these people do not know what they want.Clearly these people would much rather squabble amongst themselves as opposed to doing anything.
Whats the next logical option?
Force this rabble to leave. Why? Cause there arn't many that care, about you, the movement, or your damned complaints.
I think this movement brought a lot of attention to these things you are all complaining about. But at the same time you have shown the rest of the world your ass's and now everyone's laughing. applauds
At least you have shown the rest of the world how not to do things. Which in some cases are better then being shown what to do.
So in that respect, I thank you all.
It is not true that nobody supports OWS. According to the most recent polls, about 29% of the American public supports us. That's a minority, but it is a very substantial minority. Any of the current group that is running for the Republican Presidential nomination would love to have an approval rating of 29%.
True, not true that 'nobody' supports OWS, but the support is rapidly falling away. Many people also might support the original message, but not the movement itself. Would be interesting to see what questions the pollsters are asking. Disapproval is up and approval down: http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20111125/APC0101/111250501/Poll-shows-6-10-neutral-Occupy but interestingly, the people who are neutral stayed neutral.
The approval of passive supporters is one thing and relatively easy to measure through polling, and it is perhaps dwindling to some degree, though again, a lot of political candidates would love to have the level of support that OWS has.
More importantly and much harder to measure is the level of active support that OWS has. While this is not so easy to quantify as is passive support, certainly the outpouring of support for the New York occupation last Thursday was significant and it will be interesting to see how successful the call is for a system wide strike at the University of California will be this Monday as well as the call for a coast wise shut down of the west coast ports on 12/12. They both could be a bust, in which case I would be prepared to say that active support of OWS in genuinely dwindling. On the other hand if either or both are even a partial success, along with other actions being planned around the nation, I don't think it would be fair to say that support for the movement is dwindling. Certainly passive support is important, but for an activist movement like OWS active support is considerably more important and is the real measure of whether a movement is growing or dwindling.
If I remeber correctly a good polster can get any results he want's by the way the question is written.
Some people are tripping over themselves to write OWS's obituary prematurely. They were from the beginning, and they will be to the last. It's a little tactic they use.
Rabble Intereseting use of words. I believe the British used the term three hundred years ago also- and lost
Clearly clearly clearly clearly rabble rabble babble interesting or stupid?
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The Legal System is 100% fraud based on admiralty. Citizen "ship" = the waters of birth representing a vessel's maiden voyage. Illegitimate nautical law. Just say “With all due respect, your honor, motion to dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. I AM A SOVEREIGN. I am not a legal person. I am the holder in due course of the trade name you have called. If you are using this trade name you must pay me. And I would like a copy of your notarized oath of office, your honor. We can handle all of this at the administrative level."
Best to color code your documents. Think of your self as a SOVERIEGN and act as a soveriegn. Act with nobility. Use the administrative level to deal with court proceedings BEFORE ever setting foot in a court of law. Try to avoid going into the court room. Notarize ALL documents and ask that they all be placed into the file when you visit the clerk. The clerk is there FOR YOU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uliLfykURYo
Yeah, but you know, why force them(us) out? You are the rabble: look at your system. How many talk highly of their government? Of their prospects for the generations to come? How many rivers can YOU drink in? The trash is right in the very system you live in.
So let them camp. For as long as they want. It can't be any worse than your present system. Beyond the vaneer of the city-scape, there is a serious endemic DISEASE.
Let them camp until someone, somewhere has a real solution. Because it's not easy to live in this system with very little income or whoring yourself out to some destructive job. Let them have an encampment. Christ, you murdered and stole for most of the land in America and you want to complain about an encampment?
I don't give a shit what they do. People make choices for themselves, quit playing the weak victim and stop crying about how things are so hard.
If you "don't give a shit what they do", then let them camp and stop complaining.
Perhaps they eventually will come up with something. It can't be any worse than the existing situation.
Yeah, here's the best camp ground in all of California!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/something-to-think-about-part-1/
what? Are you trying to get a job on 60 minutes so you can complain about how American citizens don't protest how you think they should. All Americans can exercise their rights how they want you sure do. Maybe you should try wearing your pants on your ass instead of your dumb ass head cause that's wear your hat belongs! LOL This is America wear your hat on your ass! Show the rest of the world how you clearly use the word clearly in most of your sentences! CLEARLY you should consider expanding your vocabulary!!!!
Thank you sandy, I appreciate your confirmation of my point.
Inductive conclusion here holds a number of subjective premises:
A) Yes, unfortunately people respond to emotional appeal rather than logic because anger overwhelms actual self interest.
B) Yes, people insisting on speaking without knowledge on economic issues does do themselves damage. However, if they could simply campaign on one focus issue; like ending the corporatewelfare engine by condemning the federal reserve, this holds credibility and would give the movement actual strength
Well, you're right that the US has it best in the world. OWS is the kid crying over losing the cherry on top of his dessert sundae. The rest of the world, experiencing real hunger, goes on with their day to day struggle to survive. The 1% in their ivory towers, keep on talking on their cell phones as they step over the crying kid. And the majority, the real 99% wishes the crying kids mom would smack him.
Bet you thought you were really clever with that bullshit analogy . . .
lol it was clever you hater.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Human-Society-Project/202270743180999
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http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-16/wall_street/30404722_1_shadow-banking-institutional-cash-liquid-instruments
Shadow banking. This is the stuff ows is exposing. Its not going anywhere
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That was truly profound. Thank you.
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The blame for failure is at the collective feet of OWS.
Hey I dont agree with OWS but in a sense at least they tried or are trying.
We all know we need change. http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Human-Society-Project/202270743180999
Hey, I have my shit together, my facts straight, I clearly know what I want. I want people to come to this door and occupy it. There's two actually; Toshiba and UPS. Occupy them until the doors close for good:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/something-to-think-about-part-1/
And put these employees out of work ...??
Yes, I will end a company that profits from Warranty fraud and give companies like asus a chance to rise. I also want to end the company that helps them cover it up, namely, UPS. I've shown evidence of Toshiba's wrong doing, and I will be keeping my promise by revealing another horror story tomorrow. Stay tuned. As Dick Morris said, the one minor problem with capitalism is greed. Toshiba and UPS have turned into green eyed monsters. I'm still down with Capitialism, just not Toshiba and UPS. Hey, Ayn Rand would have down worse to these companies if she had the chance.