Forum Post: Finally, The Republicans found the Voter Fraud they've been lookin' For
Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 28, 2012, 9:53 a.m. EST by VQkag2
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http://politics.heraldtribune.com/2012/09/28/gop-fires-vendor-over-possible-voter-fraud-in-florida/
GOP fires vendor over possible voter fraud in Florida By The Associated Press, Herald-Tribune / Friday, September 28, 2012
PHILIP ELLIOTT Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Republicans on Thursday fired a vendor suspected of submitting 108 questionable new voter registrations in Florida’s Palm Beach County, ground zero for disputed ballots in 2000′s presidential race.
The Republican Party of Florida used Virginia-based Strategic Allied Consulting to help register and turnout voters in Florida, one of a shrinking handful of states President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney are contesting. The Florida state party had paid the firm more than $1.3 million so far, and the Republican National Committee used the group for almost $3 million of work in Nevada, North Carolina, Colorado and Virginia.
“We have zero tolerance for any threat to the integrity of elections. When we were informed of an alleged incident we immediately cut all ties to the company,” RNC Communications Director Sean Spicer said.
The state party similarly sought to distance itself from the firm and its main operative, Nathan Sproul.
“We immediately informed the Republican National Committee that we were terminating the contract with the voter-registration vendor we hired at their request because there is no place for voter-registration fraud in Florida,” state Republican Party Executive Director Mike Grissom said in a statement.
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In this Nov. 4, 2008 file photo, a woman votes at a fire station in Jupiter, Fla. on election day. [CREDIT: J Pat Carter, via AP]
Strategic Allied Consulting said the suspected forms came from one person and the company was cooperating with elections officials in Florida.
“Strategic has a zero-tolerance policy for breaking the law,” said Fred Petti, a company attorney. “Accordingly, once we learned of the irregularities in Palm Beach County, we were able to trace all questionable cards to one individual and immediately terminated our working relationship with the individual in question.”
The company did not identify the individual.
Polls show Obama increasing his lead over Romney in Florida, a hard-fought state that hosted the GOP’s convention last month. If Romney were to lose Florida and its 29 electoral votes, he would have to sweep other battleground states of Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, Colorado, Iowa, Nevada and New Hampshire to win the White House.
Palm Beach County Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher’s staff noticed signatures that looked alike and incomplete forms submitted on Sept. 5 by Strategic Allied Consulting. Bucher met with prosecutors on Monday to request an investigation.
Palm Beach County was at the center of the ballot recount in 2000, with George W. Bush and Al Gore both contesting the results that seemed to give Reform Party nominee Pat Buchanan an unusually strong showing. Critics — and legions of attorneys — said the ballot design led many Gore supporters to cast votes for Buchanan.
The subsequent questions that arose about how ballots should be tabulated made their way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which settled the bitter contest in a 5-4 ruling barring a ballot recount. Bush won.
Sproul, a longtime GOP operative who leads Strategic Allied Consulting, previously worked for Romney’s campaign through a separate firm, Lincoln Strategy Group. Romney spokeswoman Sarah Pompei says the campaign has not used Sproul since 2011, when the campaign was using Lincoln to collect signatures to get on primary ballots.
The deadline to register in Florida for Nov. 6′s election is Oct. 9.
People check this out, here's more for ya http://www.tnca.org/2012/08/27/machines-default-to-republican-ballot/
"Important Blog re. 'Voter Suppression' : http://www.bradblog.com/ . fiat justitia ...
wow
'Eggs Actly' TTS !!! Also ...
a) "Voter ID laws : the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans" :
b) "The Republican 'Voter Fraud' Fraud - All over the US, GOP lawmakers have engineered schemes to make voting more difficult. Well, if you can't win elections fairly .. ", by Diane Roberts :
caveat ...
Imagine, Denying voters ballots if they indicated preference for democrat, illeagly ripping up ballots of those who indicated support for the other candidate.
So sad, they must resort to cheating.
This is what tyranny and fascism looks like. Don't support the fascist party. Everyone must Vote out all the fascists this election.
We don't tolerate vote rigging election stealing fascists.
Re. "We don't tolerate vote rigging election stealing fascists." -- yep, probably true BUT ONLY when we know about them and what they are actually up to !!!
With Obomber and Romoney's fiasco show on the first 'Persidential Debat' (3rd Oct) - things are on a knife edge between "Mitt Romney - Catastrophe ; Barack Obama - Disaster" (Prof. Cornel West : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32109.htm ) !!
Also see and further consider :
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-1st-presidential-debate-fail-fail-people-i-tru/ [Post] &
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-simple-graph-would-explain-a-lot-if-only-it-e/ [Thread].
fiat lux ...
5% of voters? REally?
Wow. They have no shame.
"American Democracy : 'Murder, Spies, and Voting Lies'" :
P 1/2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T32eRtxEiRw &
P 2/2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDbnzpXvTkQ .
I strongly recommend this doc. for reasons which will become quite obvious on viewing.
fiat lux ...
I remember. nothing was done. It can happen again. Depressing.
Agreed
bastards. I suppose if we see the efforts then there is some effort to stop them. I'm concerned about the effort we miss.
What concerns me is these electronic machines. This didnt make national news but could it happen elsewhere and can it be prevented. Hard to believe this was a mistake.
It is an enormous opportunity for cheating. I think evoting is the better way. IF : We get a paper trail, & we get to check our vote when we get home to make sure it hasn't been changed.
It will probably be years before e voting is in place and working properly. But I think removing people from the counting process is critical.
Heres another though i believe this young lady got conned into it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdk55dLsFhc
What does she say at :30? Something like, "Because we're __support of Romney." I can't understand what she said.
Now THAT is messed up. Is it even legal to do that?
Disgusting!
Poor girl. She probably didn't realize she was doing anything wrong. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt because she is so young.
As will i. I believe she was too young to see how stupid some elders get about all this
But well on her way to a life of right wing brainwashed zombie servitude
And there are those but we must whenever possible show them the facts. Reach who we can, ignore who we cant.
No doubt. Can't give up. Resistance is not futile.
'From the mouth of babes, etc........
Indeed, the young are easily influenced and need to see the facts.
DO NOT MISS THIS: http://www.wtfu2012.com/
WTFU - yes good sentiment. This should be a general message as to the piss poor actions of government and the need for the people to band together to demand and make systemic change.
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Oh yes. Excellent Samuel L Jackson Ad.
Thx.
National Republican Voter Registration Strategy Includes Lying to Potential Voters About "Taking a Poll" in Order to Screen Out Obama Supporters
Wednesday, 03 October 2012 10:45 By Brad Friedman, The Brad Blog | News Analysis
http://truth-out.org/news/item/11904-national-republican-voter-registration-strategy-includes-lying-to-potential-voters-about-taking-a-poll-in-order-to-screen-out-obama-supporters
Truth-out is one of the best sources for news.
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Suspicious Voter Forms Found in Florida - Again
Sunday, 30 September 2012 09:39 By Lizette Alvarez, The New York Times News Service | Report
http://truth-out.org/news/item/11853-suspicious-voter-forms-found-in-florida-again
Miami - The number of Florida counties reporting suspicious voter registration forms connected to Strategic Allied Consulting, the firm hired by the state Republican Party to sign up new voters, has grown to 10, officials said, as local election supervisors continue to search their forms for questionable signatures, addresses or other identifiers. After reports of suspicious forms surfaced in Florida, the company — owned by Nathan Sproul, who has been involved in voter registration efforts since at least the 2004 presidential election — was fired last week by the state Republican Party and the Republican National Committee. The party had hired it to conduct drives in Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina and Virginia.
In Colorado, a young woman employed by Strategic Allied was shown on a video outside a store in Colorado Springs recently telling a potential voter that she wanted to register only Republicans and that she worked for the county clerk's office. The woman was fired, said Ryan Call, chairman of the Colorado Republican Party.
The Florida Division of Elections has forwarded the reports of possible fraud to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for investigation. Prosecutors in some affected counties are also investigating. It is unclear how many forms have been forwarded, in all: in Palm Beach County, the election supervisor found 106 suspicious forms, but the number in several other counties is far lower.
Bay County has found eight suspicious forms with the Republican Party registration code connected to Strategic Allied. In Pasco County, three have been found.
The state Republican Party, which paid the company $1.3 million to register voters here, said it would file an elections fraud complaint against Strategic Allied, which is based in Tempe, Ariz. Mr. Sproul was once the executive director of the Arizona Republican Party. In 2004, his voter registration project was investigated by the Justice Department and the attorneys general in Arizona, Nevada and Oregon after widespread allegations of fraud surfaced, but no charges were brought.
Questions are now being raised about how the company's employees were paid to register voters.
Mary Blackwell, a volunteer for the League of Women Voters in Okaloosa County, said she was registering voters this month at Northwest Florida State College. Sitting nearby was a man who said he was registering voters for the Republican Party of Florida. The man told her he received $12 an hour but had to bring in at least 10 forms to get paid.
Paul Lux, the election supervisor for Okaloosa County, a Republican who is still combing through registration forms in his office, said he was told by several "concerned citizens," including Ms. Blackwell, that the employees were being paid for the number of forms they brought back.
In Florida, it is illegal to pay someone per registration form. "I told my friends in the party then that paying people to do this was a bad idea, and it almost inevitably leads to problems," Mr. Lux said. "Unfortunately, I was not proven wrong."
Fred Petti, a lawyer for Strategic Allied, said the employees were paid only by the hour, with no quota attached. He added that they also were instructed to register anyone from any political party, not just the Republican Party.
Previous investigations of Mr. Sproul's operations focused on efforts to register only Republicans or allegations that Democratic forms were torn up. Mr. Petti also said that Mr. Sproul cooperated with the Palm Beach County election supervisor to find out who was at fault and has offered to do the same with other election supervisors. In Palm Beach County, one person was responsible for the fraudulent forms, officials said. Mr. Petti said he does not yet know how widespread the problem is in other counties.
Election supervisors said they have come across forms with handwriting that did not match previous registration forms, bogus addresses and other identifiers like driver's license numbers that appeared to be invalid. But in other cases, the forms were just incomplete, which does not constitute fraud.
"Until we see what the cards are, it's hard for us to comment," Mr. Petti said.
Mark Anderson, the Bay County supervisor, said he has found eight questionable forms in his county, but he is looking for more. The forms had either unchecked boxes for party affiliation or signatures that looked different from previous ones. He said he had also received calls from voters who said they had not changed their party affiliation, although it appeared they had. "I don't believe there is going to be massive numbers," Mr. Anderson said.
Election supervisors are able to pinpoint the group responsible for the questionable forms because of a 2011 state law that tightened rules on voter registration groups. The law, which sparked lawsuits and controversy, requires groups to register with the state and have their registration number on the forms they distribute.
A provision that required groups to turn in registration forms within 48 hours was struck down in court this year. "The Republican Legislature was beaten up pretty badly, partially by myself," Mr. Lux said. "But they seem to have been doing something to improve the process."
© 2012 The New York Times Company
South Carolina, Nevada, & Colorado appear to have some similar problems with the same Repub/Romney paid consulting firm.
As Election Day Looms, Voter ID Law Critics Seek Out the Unregistered
Monday, 01 October 2012 10:49 By Tony Pugh, McClatchy Newspapers | Report
http://truth-out.org/news/item/11869-as-election-day-looms-voter-id-law-critics-seek-out-the-unregistered
There certainly are 10's of million unregistered voters.
unbelievable, how apathetic so many are.
Stupid but refreshingly honest Mormon works for the county clerk registering Republicans to vote. Mormons: A dangerous right wing racist cult. Liars by religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch? feature=endscreen&v=v_IMT1xr__0&NR=1
Ooops. Unsurprisingly, there were questions for County Clerk and Recorder Wayne Williams, who just happens to be a Republican and according to his official bio at the El Paso County, Colorado website, “an active member of the Chapel Hills Ward of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints where he currently serves in the Bishopric.”
And the young woman also just happens to be a Mormon. She is wearing a Mormon CTR ring, a type of ring given to children at baptism (CTR means “choose the right”):
Ok. Very good. Thanks for that input. I suppose as New Yorkers we don't have to worry so much about these Mormons huh?
Actually they have opened churches in neighborhoods like Harlem and Castle Hill and they have a temple as well as a church at Lincoln Center. I don't know about you but I encounter Mormon Missionaries from time to time. ONce they even came to my apartment and I gave them such a hard time they never tried to return.
A Mormon President should be a worrying thought to all progressives as well as African Americans. They network, they are well placed in agencies like the FBI and they don't believe in rule of law or honesty. A Mormon President will inject a dose of repectability into their image. As they spread they limit the space of society to make progressive changes. They are a danger.
I am atheist so I don't trust anyone who claims to be religious, and therefo "better" than the rest of us.
Mormons don't scare Ny'rs! And other than cheating I don't see the repubs winning the presidency this Nov.
Peace
Robbing the votes would be their default stance. Having a cadre of people religiously dishonest helps. These are like the funny guys in Bavaria who drank beer, sang drinking songs and wore weird brown shirts. Except their style is quite not the same.
Seems like a serious problem. I'll be on the look out.
Florida GOP Fired Romney Consultant's Voter Registration Firm After Fraudulent Forms Reported in Palm Beach
Thursday, 27 September 2012 10:45 By Brad Friedman, The Brad Blog | Report
http://truth-out.org/news/item/11798-florida-gop-fired-romney-consultants-voter-registration-firm-after-fraudulent-forms-reported-in-palm-beach
The Republican Party of Florida's top recipient of 2012 expenditures, a firm by the name of Strategic Allied Consulting, was just fired on Tuesday night, after more than 100 apparently fraudulent voter registration forms were discovered to have been turned in by the group to the Palm Beach County, FL Supervisor of Elections.
The firm appears to be another shell company of Nathan Sproul, a longtime, notorious Republican operative, hired year after year by GOP Presidential campaigns, despite being accused of shredding Democratic voter registration forms in a number of states over several past elections.
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Strategic Allied Consulting has been paid some $667,000 this year by the FL GOP, presumably to run its voter registration campaigns in the state. That number, however, does not account for another identical payment made in August. The Palm Beach Post is reporting tonight that the firm received "more than $1.3 million" from the Republican Party of Florida "to register new voters."
The firm is not only tied to the FL GOP, but also to the Mitt Romney Campaign, which hired Sproul as a political consultant late last year, despite years of fraud allegations against his organizations in multiple states.
Moreover, the firm is also reportedly operating similar voter registration operations on behalf of the Republican Party, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, in a number of key battleground states this year, including North Carolina, Virginia and Colorado. Strategic Allied has recently taken steps to hide their ownership by Sproul's notorious firm, Sproul & Associates.
I ain't hearin enough of this on the news.
Seems like it should be a bombshell!
Very little on the MSM.
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Maybe people should look at these electronic voting machines, look what happened in my state - http://www.tnca.org/2012/08/27/machines-default-to-republican-ballot/
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I agree but all ya can find out is BS. Never the less, its election time coming up and we need to spread the word to prevent this kinda stuff
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I would support that effort.
Kill 'em all & let God sort 'em out.!
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Deep shit man. We have such profound problems here.
It will either take years, and much work and protest. Or it will change overnight in a flash of violence, and death.
I prefer the 1st option.
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No but if the repubs succeed at cheating there may be riots. that may be the spark.
Hope not.
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Sounds great. I'm with you!
Solidarity!
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Really? Can I see them?
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Non profit is a good idea. I'm not sure, but I'm sure you can find something on interwebs.
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VT would be art centric no doubt, & spending locally IS the best approach.
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Yeah and there is some T shirt making internet company A friend was lookin at a while back I will see if I can find it.
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The 1st time is always a learning experience. I expect that you are the type of person who learns from experience. Your in good shape - like you said the layout looks good on the black t-shirt. Wear one and sell the rest proudly - you may find once you go through the batch and maybe introduce a larger print that you will have people ask about the original.
[-] 1 points by ZenDog (11962) from South Burlington, VT 5 minutes ago
My first venture with text sizes on tee shirts. It's been an expensive lesson. The shirts do look good, they just aren't as functional as I like. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
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Make em do it your way. The customer ( in this case you ) is always right.
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Bump it all up about 10 to 15 points on the font and maybe drop the placement about a 1/2 inch.
Although the current size lends it to be a size that would have people coming close to see the script and perhaps start a conversation.
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Cool.
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Well I think paypal is trustworthy and probably easiest to do. And once you do it you can really try to sell big numbers of T's.
Good luck.
Paypal will send a 1099-K to the IRS if you have over a certain amount of revenue. I am not sure what the amount is off the top of my head but it is pretty easy to hit.
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I just bet you do - Smilin large and happy to tell all - what it means and why.
Good Man - owner of 4 - shows confidence and satisfaction in the product. 1st run even. Believe me in my last job I had seen a lot of 1st run failures - and - THAT - is expensive - when it is multiple machined parts.
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Very good. I was able to read it. Cool. How can I buy one.?
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Well get it together. Man. I do wanna read it 1st. But I'm willing to buy it.
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Not quite boss. but a great idea. I'm willing to spend money on you.
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Well I could see both pics links. I like black T's. I like global warming T's.
Be nice to see a close on the writing.
But they look great.
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I'll be around.
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This may very well be my very favourite of yours ZenDog.
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Lol! Well on this...we definitely agree. On the upside...just think of all the jobs all this wonderful 'work' towards humanity's new era will create.
YES !!!!!
This is a classic sample of projection. The reps assume the dems are guilty of voter fraud since they are willing to defraud the system
Maybe. I think when repubs accuse demsof perpetrated voted fraud they know it ain't true.
Ceratinly they have found no voter id related fraud! They just want to suppress the vote. And they have succeeded in many places.
It's the only way the repubs can win!
But have we found all the fraud they are performing?
And why, once again, is no one being prosecuted?
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/01/california-gop-voter-fraud/
I do not believe we have found it all. That the repubs cut ties to the historically criminal consultant group so quickly tells me they are afraid of more bad press/crimes.
It has spread to 4 of 5 swing states. But the MSM hasn't really dug deep enough I think.
Much must be dne to find & combat this massive effort to steal the election.
It is the only way repubs can win!
FYI: PA judge just threw out the repub voter ID (suppression) law that was supposed to give Romney the win in PA!
YaY! One more victory against the repub criminals!
Another link for your edification?
http://electionlawblog.org/
Oooo. That's a good one! I bookmarked it.
Thx
Don't count me among those that think voter purges are "inconsequential".
I of course do not count you among them at all. Absolutely not! Where did I suggest that? Was not my intent. I'm sure it was a miscommunication.
Peace
I didn't think you did.
I was making myself clear to others that might read the thread.
I wouldn't want to be mistaken as siding with those who feel that way.
Natch!
Here's a little more proof for you........................:)
http://veracitystew.com/2012/09/28/caught-on-tape-republican-commits-voter-registration-fraud-video/
And just listened to a story about tea partiers 2 weeks ago in Wooster Mass intimidating dem primary voters as part of a group called "activate the vote". Of course they were targeting minorities.
I also heard of letters going out to minorities stating they must prove their citizenship within 30 days or they cannot vote.
And finally stories of minority voters being told they cannot vote if they haven't paid their child support.
Insidious!
Somebody around here has made the claim that all of this is inconsequential.
I strongly disagree.
I've heard hc say things like that from the 1st time I posted vote suppression stories.
They just want to minimize the crime and cover forthe criminals.
I don't buy it. Closet repubs if you ask me!
Nah. libe(R)tarians to the core.
If you say so. No way for me to really no.
Whatever they are I don't agree with them.
the story is getting bigger
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-voter-registration-florida-republicans-20120928,0,7654954.story
Good. I wanna see Romney be questioned/respond.
Sully him a little more.
Another body blow.!
No mercy.
The voter ID issue is only a false-flag to keep people from realizing the real fraud issue within the GOP. They know we will oppose any effort to enforce voter ID, and they use our good will against us.
the fraud is within the dem party and their "helpers", acorn, seiu.al franken was put in office due to fraud.
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We try to keep it easy for minorities to vote, because they aren't as able to understand photo ID as we are. Then the GOP's army of inbred voters abuse the system and commit mass voter fraud, taking advantage of the honest laws designed for less intelligent poor people.
"minorities.....aren't able to understand"? "less intelligent poor people"? What is that a joke.?
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Of course not. Look up the statistics on average IQs, and you will see what I mean. I'm not trying to be offensive, it's just scientific analysis. Why would statistics offend anyone? Why else would photo ID disenfranchise minorities disproportionately? No one says they don't want voter ID laws because they would disenfranchise white people. If minorities could do this stuff as easily then we wouldn't care if the laws were implemented or not, as they would have no affect.
Nobody claims the republican effort to suppress dem votes is a problem because of lower intelligence.
Nobody!
The problem is Minorities are more likely to not have a pic id. and repubs are creating this new requirement atthe last minute so that large numbers would not get the new costly id in time.
Nobody has mentioned that the elderly, or students affected (whatever race) are not smart. The problem is the difficulty, near impossibility in getting the id in time.
Why would you suggest the level of intelligence is somehow related.?
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ID's should be free at this point, seems they ask for them for fuckin everything.
They should be. but are not always. It amounts to a poll tax!
this will create a backlash against the desperate, dishonest republicans.
if you do not have a drivers license , the ID's are free. are you saying the people that dont have a drivers license are too stupid to get an ID?
You do not know every states rules. I have a non drivers license and it costs me money. So you are clearly wrong.
And no it ain't about being too stupid. I've heard racists try that offensiveness to cover the fact that it is a new requirement that takes so much time that the various states do not have enough man hours to cover all the people who do not have one.
the problem is the repubs have done this right before the election when they knew ther wouldn't be enough time to inform everyone, or get the id to everyone affected.
Desperate and despicable. There will be a backlash. No good can come of this.
photo ID has been around for years.
So.? Photo id free voting been around a whole lot longer! But no prob I'm not against photo id voting. I'm against repub rushing the new requirement for the sole reason of suppressing dem votes. The law should be delayed until 2017. By then everyone should have a photo id.
There ya go stupid...
http://dmvanswers.com/questions/419/How-much-do-state-ID-cards-cost
minorities cant understand how to get a photo ID? what minorities are you talking about? are you saying that they're stupid?
They are so determined to find some fraud so that they can push for voter suppression - that to find it they had to expose themselves - Huh - now that is what I call determination.
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I think they decided that finding any reason to forward voter suppression was more valuable to their campaign election efforts then was keeping their hands and reputation clean.
Exactly. The name of the game is power with these two, not serving us, or this nation would look radically different.
I don't know buddy. I suppose it's possible, but I read SC also has fired the company and that there is some connection to Romney.
So if the Press get's a hold of this. It could get ugly.
OOoo Whooooo oooo oooo!
Yeah - their messing around could blow-up in their face again - they do seem to have a drive towards self destruction a happenin. But they need to supress some of their own ( normally their own ) supporters/voters - due to all of the crap going on with the RINO's congress and senatorial members as well as all of the RINO Party BS in the campaign this time around. Yeah smooth move mittens alienate people in your southern swing states that would in the past have been counted on to vote republican.
Well let's hope whoever gets in, somehow they are responsive to the needs of the 99% and we finally get real change. First of all money out of politics.!
Our best bet are the state races for representation. Get some good people in to forward good issues. The pres well - the lesser of the two evils is best - till we get some really good people in government - then we need to have a really good pres to complete the picture.
I like the approach getting good candidates starting at the local level. Provides a better opportunity to elect 3rd party. Can be more accountable as well.
Occupy the state house & the city council. I've also thought the city council level might provide an opportunity to test a direct democracy model.
Direct Democracy does start locally then joins up as the area expands - all the way to national. Yep - 3rd party will have the best chance of getting their start locally as well.
Thats a winning strategy!!
Meanwhile.
They are scared shitless of the retired nun vote.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/did-you-hear-one-about-nuns-who-werent-alowed-vote
They just gotta suppress those nuns!!!
There is no place too low for these desperados to stoop. Ifthey win there should be riots.
No there isn't.
It's become their way of life.
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These clowns still aren't done in Florida.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/26/918971/florida-officially-restarts-voter-purge-revised-list-still-appears-to-be-inaccurate/
Oh, and don't forget their "special friends" those wascally Kochs.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/25/904371/koch-front-group-joins-revenge-campaign-against-florida-justices-with-pro-nullification-ad/
I saw that nullification/Koch shit. they have no shame. They don't care how it looks to people. They do whatever they want. I guess they figure their money allows them free reign.
Disgusting
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It's amazing what a cesspool Florida has become, and how well our posters from that state ignore it, or minimize it.
It's telling that they NEVER post this stuff.
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Aw c'mon ZD.
It's fun stirring them up from time to time.
Look what happened when libe(R)tarians were brought up again. Most of those defenders were in Florida!!!
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It's OK. there's plenty of time. OWS isn't going away any time soon. despite the dire predictions.
That's just the MSM talking.
Oh, and for the eavesdroppers?
FLAKESnews IS part of the MSM, despite what Ms. Palin tried to tell you.
Why don't you ask Occupy Miami why you never hear from them about that?
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2012-03-22/news/occupy-miami-descends-into-drugs-and-chaos-in-an-overtown-apartment-building/
And that has to do with the nonstop political cesspool of Florida in what way?
It addresses the facts pointed out in the links already posted how?
Are you able to stick with any one subject at any time at all?
Anyway... this aught to get you going again.
Your special friends the teabagge(R)s are at it in Ohio too.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/27/921421/how-the-tea-party-hopes-to-purge-thousands-of-ohio-voters/
Where in your tiny world has OWS done, or promoted anything similar?
I my world, OWS is too busy smoking crack and smearing poop on the walls to worry about politics.
Maybe it's different elsewhere.
Smoking crack and smearing poop? Where did you see that?
Oh ya, you are going off the media. Great job.
Unfortunately I have to drive by that building a couple of times a month and I've seen it with my own eyes. And the "occupation" at Government Center before that.
You should get out of your basement more then.
You know how damp they can be in Florida.
Now will you return to the subject at hand?
Or will you continue to meander?
Here's a reminder, because I know, second hand smoke has it's effects.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/26/918971/florida-officially-restarts-voter-purge-revised-list-still-appears-to-be-inaccurate/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/25/904371/koch-front-group-joins-revenge-campaign-against-florida-justices-with-pro-nullification-ad/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/27/921421/how-the-tea-party-hopes-to-purge-thousands-of-ohio-voters/
No basements in Miami Beach.
(Or just about anywhere in Florida.)
Relpy to; I live on a..That's not good. I used to live in Plantation. Better sell to a AGW denier.
True.They'd be very wet.
I live on a tiny island where the ground is one foot above the high-tide line, on property that is projected to be underwater before my mortgage is paid off. We already have massive flooding any time that there is a heavy rain at high tide.
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That's what I see of Occupy in my world. That, and this web site. What I see on this web site is not very much more impressive. I mostly see aggressively polarized Democrats here, hating on Republicans. Not very inspiring.
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I wanted to but OWS made that kind of impossible by agreeing to never agree on anything and focusing on the goal of not focusing on any goal.
I can think of only two or three of the regular posters here who I consider to be "decent, intelligent, respectful people". You're one of them.
Really? LOL. Ok. Thx.
So you would support OWS but their disorganization disallows that support?
So you don't consider support based on the stands they make on the issues?
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That's my local Occupy. When OWS started, I was very interested in the idea of an aggressively progressive movement of awakened citizens. But between Occupy Miami and this web site ... well I just don't know what else to say about that. Res ipsa loquitur.
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Resolved on March 14th? As a result of a story published on March 22? I don't understand what you mean.
IMHO, this Occupy Miami fiasco is a direct result of OWS emphasizing the "occupy" instead of the "Wall Street". That's why the core of Occupy Miami was homeless people instead of actual political activists.
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Yeah, that didn't end it at all. That's mentioned toward the end of the article about Occupy Miami from the New Times. Which BTW is a very liberal weekly.
Well it still is not indicative of what OWS is. Sorry.
Ah, it just gets better and better.
Amazing degree of dishonesty brought on by desperation.
The Republicans cannot win win without cheating. they are panicked, frantic, & flailing about.
We could be watching one of the 2 parties dying (through suicide)
Actually, you're watching an empire commit suicide.
Most people are just too emotionally invested to see it.
Oops.
I was referring to this.
http://rt.com/usa/news/occupy-miami-raid-swat-579/
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Same thing that has happened to the people when past empires fell inward on themselves, if history is any indication.
That means chaos, destitution, & death.
Is that what you think is in our future, Thoreau?
I'd rather the repub self destruct and progressives force real change to improve the lives of the 99%.
It's looking like a Carey Grant death scene. 20 minutes later and we are still waiting on the freaking beast to stop moving.
LMFAO.
Yes. Definitely 'B' movie material.
I notice no one mentions ACORN I guess that kind of fraud was ok? Not a goo idea to through stones when you live in a glass house
that was a false political hit job on an agency that registered many legitimate people for the 2008 election.
Dems caved and cut off Acorn funding, but their was never any fraud, or illegal votes counted.
'sok. Their still around with another name. Aaaaaah HA Ha ha ha ha
They did register lots of fraudulent voters an the fact they are still around under another name means progressives can't say anything about vote fraud, I realize that libs are ok with being hypocrites but some people are not ok with it.
The bad registrations were caught & no fraudelent votes resulted. It was an effort by individuals (who were paid by number of registrations completed) to get paid more money. Not an effort to perpetrate voter fraud.
The mechanisms in place caught all bad registration, and so no voter fraud resulted.
Progressives (and decent Americans) can & must say something and stand against the massive attempts by republicans to perpetrate voter suppression & voter fraud.
We are. And we have found and pushed much of all that will matter.
Hopefully we got it all.
Repubs can only win by cheating. It's despicable.
dont confuse podman with facts
He is a bit of a joke no?
SO if it gets caught its no big deal?
Each side cheats. They cheat and lie about all sorts of stuff. When there is this much money involved it should be expected. The lure of hte dollar has turned many a person into a shithead.
the bad Acorn registrations were an attempt by individuals (paid per registration) to make money not to perpetrate voter fraud.
What matters is that no voter fraud occured.
So no both sides are not doing what the repubs are doing. Not by a long shot. That is a weak attempt to minimize this historic massive criminal republican attempt to steal an election using a false comparison.
Sorry!
Ohh please the both cheat don't be daft, it's exactly the same thing the only diff rep fired them all as soon as they were caught dems like you admit never fired them just changed their name so again you have no grounds to bitch. Don't throw stones if you live in glass house…just saying
Dems have not cheated that I see. Acorn didn't create any fraudulent votes. You need to sday that to create cover for your repub criminals.
Repubs are in the middle of a massive 40 state effort to suppress or purge millions of dem voters.
This will go down in history as the most corrupt effort in all of history.
Repubs can't win without cheating. Desperate, panicked, frantic, flailing about. Like Lyndsey Graham said :"we're not creating enough angry white men" to grow the party.
LMFAO!!!
See do as I say not as I do, sad libs have are no different they will do anything to hs on to power lie cheat or steal. You are a kook-aid drinker and how do you think it would take to find stupid things dems say? You are not intellectually honest, you are nothing more than a vote for Obama guy replace the 1% crooks with your 1% crooks huh. I used to except more from you but h e become used to disappointment
Yeah. You're not really makin sense anymore.
Thanks for playin'
I think I win. Consider yourself dispatched, & dismissed!
You never make sense I've just learned to deal with it,What ever helps you sleep at nite
Prove it. You illegal so and so.
Lol I'm sure people that know have become used to disappointment but I except a little more from you. The proof is that dems would not have cut off funding of it was not true. You claim to want to save us all from the bad bankers and reps but who will save us from you? You just want your shackles on people, forgive me I call you on your bullshit
You do realize, there's not a shred of proof in what you posted?
Not a shred.
That's never stopped you before, why is it ok for you but no one else?
I forgot you watch FLAKESnews.
http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Two-years-later-ACORN-cleared-of-voter-fraud-993123.php
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-03-01/news/27057678_1_acorn-offices-o-keefe-and-giles-prostitution
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/01/jerry-brown-says-acorn-didnt-break-law/
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/growls/Judging-Voter-ID.html
In all cases completely cleared.
So, yeah. I do offer real proof of what I say.
Turn off FLAKESnews and try and keep up with the real Word.
Well done Shooz, As always comin through with the facts.
Not that a detail like honest facts will matter to Podboy.
Peace
There's lots more where those came from.
Is there a "special" search engine just for FLAKESnews flakes?
It's not like that one was all that difficult to prove.
I'm sure. I don't usually make the effort. Just a lazy bastard I guess. Just spew what I remember and await the barrage of evidence disproving me.. LOL.
I'll try, but I do get tired of posting the same proofs umpteen times for what in all likelihood is a.......................sock puppet.
Don't do that again please.....................:)
You don't need 'em.
Oh my. I use one login for comments. If you are unsure about me I understand if you don't offer proof of my contentions. I am perfectly happy arguing my points on the strength of my experience/knowledge/opinion.
Peace
So'kay.
You wore the cone of shame.......................LOL
You have paid your debt to forumkind.
I'm just sayin' you don't need 'em.
Thx.
Wow links to left wing sources real reliable. What you call real anyone with a non biased view would call bullshit. You never actually listen to views different than your own, I mean really listen. The fact you hate fox so much proves anyone who calls you on your bullshit.
Still mad at ACORN? You'll just have to go to their new outfit and tell them you're a pimp so they can call the cops on you.
Crack is bad for ummmkkkk? It makes it hard to understand your mindless rambling.
You just did, and they were cleared of fraud.
Now can we go after the entire (R)epelican't party?
Graft is their way of life.
Can I hear a "I am not a crook"?
It's been that ever since those notoriously immortal words were first spoken by the king of political graft.
They were not cleared of anything lol, everything you grip that rep are doing your progressive dipshits have and are doing the same thing but that's ok with you. Down with the 1% right just not your 1% hypocrisy is a way Of life for you
ACORN was cleared of wrong-doing but they lost the gov funding they were slated to get. Even people on the far right can see that James O'keefe has mental problems and they have distanced themselves from him.
Rightly so acorn is no different and neither deserve public money!
Of course, and I'm sure that in your teeny tiny little box Holder wasn't either.
Like I said......go back to sleep...........
Hard to sleep with a cry baby blameing the world for his stupidity.
And they're still purging voters after agreeing to stop!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/florida-voter-purge-challenge_n_1920826.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
I think you have pretty much killed this issue. We're going to film interview the illegals at the polls for your worldwide observation next year.
"illegals" is an offensive term. However any individual who has come to America forwork without proper documentation avoids all forms of authority.
Absolutely, there are not "illegals" voting in American elections.
Obviously, the only fraud is being perpetrated by your desperate republican criminals.
Don't be silly. Admit the reality of the facts that are staring you in the face.!
There are absolutely illegals voting in every district, but if you prefer I can use your own words - "avoid all authority" - definitely; they are "outlaws"
But they're not avoiding authority - they live outside authority - and that's why I prefer the term "out-law."
You say toe-may-toes; I say "yuck"... and whatever.
Listen, we have world renowned feminists who are now rolling over for the Muslim, willingly reversing their 200 year stance on women's rights; it doesn't surprise me that we also have working class Americans and taxpayers rolling over for outlaw Mexicans and South Americans. Because they feel must hold to the mantra of "equality"; they must sacrifice all, including their very lives, and the lives of their descendents, to prove themselves bona fide libertarians, or, explain to the world that their motivation was purely one of self-interest.
What is your evidence that there are non-citizens voting?
It's personal observation, when those in line in front of you appear Hispanic, and do not speak English, I think it's safe to assume that they have not been naturalized. We can take this to the next level - many of those employed at polling booths are naturalized Hispanics who have a tendency to look the other way.
But this year, I will be taking my cell cam... and I will be calling the police, who, undoubtedly will fail to do anything at all. Soo... I'm going to post the videos to Youtube.
Appearing hispanic and not speaking English does not mean someone is not a citizen.
If a Hispanic does not speak enough English to vote, they are not citizens.
If, according to you, they aren't speaking enough English to vote then what's the problem? I thought you said they were voting.
They were voting through interpreters, this year I assure you, we will get to the bottom of this. And then we're going nationwide. It's either that or we're going to start importing voters for own causes.
Do please get to the bottom of this. I think you will find many hispanic, spanish speaking US citizens.I would be very surprised to find people who are in the country illegally, risk deportation by voting.
Whose we? True the Vote? What plans do you have? You gonna harrass American voters?. Where are YOU gonna be?
That is not the measure. Many other nationalities became citizens "without speaking english enough".
What do you have against hispanics. They've been in North America longer than people of your national origins
That's bs... they've only entered recently; prior to that the Native American - can you say, "Geronimo"? - commanded the southwest. It belonged to the Apache, the Hopi, the Navajo, the Pueblo, etc., or did you just conveniently forget that?
They were never this far north... this also belonged to the Native. Some ten to sixty million kept the Mexican in check.
I have "everything" against this invasion, too much to repeatedly list.
No invasion. the spanish were in north America before your people. The mexican was in north America before the spanish.
Mexicans ARE native Americans. You don't know about Aztec empire? They certainly made it well past the Rio Grand.
So anyway Mexicans didn't cross the border! The border crossed the Mexicans. It's their country more than yours!
No they weren't... the very reason the European was allowed to settle within the northern boundaries of Mexico under their newly granted independence - later to become American territory - was that Mexicans were incapable of confronting their fear of the Apache. This was Native America territory - all of it, to include CA.
Their territory more than mine? It's not my territory and it's not your territory - it's American territory - and Mexicans are not "American" - they are "Mexicans." And that's somewhat besides the point anyway, isn't it? Since the majority of our illegals are so far removed from this territory - they're not Mexican or American.
Ok I'll grant you this... territorially, possession is 9/10s of the law. Dial up Sam Houston, and tell him to "play it again, Sam."
It's nice to share.
Immigration has always, and will always strengthen us.
You are being shortsighted.
"this land is your land, This land is my land"
Everyones land.!
Then we should share your stuff; put your money and your lifestyle where your mouth is.
Never heard of it. But it IS European anyway so that is very fortunate for you.
"green skinned"? what is that?
The Portuguese have a slightly green patina to their skin.
"gain a measure of my "conservationism" as nativism"? What does that mean?
So you are Persian & Native American? That's rich. I'm Italian & Puerto Rican. The families could not come together because of the racism from the italian side. Oh well. What are you gonna do.
My Moms family has been here for about 120 years. My dads has been in the western hemisphere for 10 thousand years.
But I believe in fact we all came from Africa. We are one people. One family. One race.
You are sadly mistaken about differences. We have more in common. We must find those commonalities and embrace them. If we takethe path you have imposed on your own children we have fear anger & hatred to look forward to.
My way we have peace, love, & understanding. Whasso funny 'bout it?
"green skinned"? what is that?
You forget that I did not impose these views on my children; nor were they imposed upon me - of Ma Bay, my father was in his 20s before he ever met a black man; there was no prejudice, especially considering his childhood on "Portigie Hill." And with the Italians on one side and the Portuguese on the other, there was definitely prejudice there - my grandmother is 100% green skinned.
So you're gonna speak for most African Americans in a weak effort to provide cover for a racist life choices. I suppose if you teach your children to hate African Americans it's no surprise they don't wanna marry them.
Why do you not want to have an African American marry into your family.?
What country do your ancestors come from? when did they get here to America? Are you deep South American?
I didn't teach them racism; they acquired it entirely on their own. In fact, "black" was rarely ever discussed despite all of the ethnically diverse friends that came and went.
When children marry it's not just an individual thing; it's actually the conjoining of two families, whether we like it or not. And black and white are two vastly different creatures and sub cultures.
Of the nationalities I definitely identify with, meaning my ancestors inhabited these places long enough to assimilate, I am: Welch, English, Irish, Scottish... Portuguese, Azorian ("of the Islands")... French, German, Persian, Estonian... my German side alleged we were also Swiss; my father's family claims a Native American ancestor, although I have not been able to locate the particular woman to which our family history refers; nonetheless I am quite certain she did exist.
You know, the question of such things as possible African ancestry becomes one of scientific inquiry; are we to believe in the Christian tree of life that our Evolution entertains... or did people actually emerge from various mud puddles, with but one common and shared formula of life - this not just a "what if" - we know that there was but one possible formula within the scope of environment - it would be absurd to think that evolution did not or could not produce many independently of a perfectly identical nature. But, whatever... perhaps all did originate in Africa; even so, one thing is certain, not all walked out of Africa as homo saps. Again, such thoughts are absurd.
And yet our science has long sought to paint it as perfect truth, hasn't it? Despite the fact that it makes NO sense.
How long have my above ancestors been in America? Well, obviously it varies but my direct paternal ancestors have been here since at least the early 1630s. I don't know how relevant this is to one's worldview because obviously we were European Caucasians long before that - some branches of my ancestry can be traced through the Somersets to Charlemagne, Wm the Conqueror, even as far as King Egbert on the English side. Just as we look to our ancestors, they too looked to theirs. The point is that the cultural mindset is the result of an eventual European westward funneling which exited England to arrive in America. And there it intentionally discarded the less favorable to redefine again, amongst people of similar backgrounds, in a wilderness informed of the Native American, a new world.
So no, I am not deep South, I'm MA Bay - from the land of the liberals.
My impression is that you are trying to gain a measure of my "conservationism" as a traditional prejudice; is that correct? That might be fair assumption. But it does not change the fact that conservationism is a necessary fundamental element of our existence.
I have hired mostly non whites (of the approx 4 dozen I have hired) and have had more trouble with the white workers, who frequently feel entitled and unwilling to do the dirty work.
I would have no problem with a daughter of mine marrying non white as long as he treated her right.
I think perhaps you should disclose your ethnicity before asking about my personal info.
So you would not hire non whites? would not allow you children to marry non whites?
Why? we're all of the same race! the human race. You have to leave the 19th century and enter the 21st. your isms only hold you back and fill yourself with anger, fear and hatred. Bad Karma, Bad for your soul dude.
I'm not asking you if you hired hispanics, I'm asking you if you have hired African Americans. And yes, I do have a problem with the union of my family with that of the African American; what's just as interesting is that so do my kids. And so do most African Americans.
I got no problem living amongst a diverse population. I have hired non whites, and am tolerant and inclusive. So I already share this great nation.
You can to. Anger, fear, and hatred are the ways of the dark side. Embrace love, and togetherness.
It's the only way to move forward successfully.
Did you hire all non whites or just a couple? How many black people have you hired? Did you hire any with criminal records or backgrounds?
How do you feel about your daughter marrying a black American? Or having your lily white family intermarried to a black as sin family? How do you feel about that, because, you know, I think that really is the supreme test.
Are you going to do as the feminists, and sacrifice everything you believe in to this alleged higher cause of religious and racial tolerance?
The problem with people like you is that you never put your money where your mouth is - you put OUR money where your mouth is.
An aging population needs youth, and needs a population that spends spends spends.
thats why neither party will touch this. Deportation is too expensive and invasive, massive police state stuff. Citizenship for all is too politically explosive and wont do too much in the future.
That's not the reason... they won't touch it because they are courting the vote, in fear that they will somehow miss a demographic that costs them the election. They'd rather sacrifice a state, our territory, the lives of people... the education of our children, than miss a single vote; it's immoral, and it's corruption.
Even when the R has the majority, they never bring up anything meaningful and push it. Its all just jive. It benefits the establishment to keep things as they are.
So the cure is to make it worse?
So you are against equality?
And how exactly is anyone sacrificing their "very lives, and the lives oftheir descendents"?
A little overdramatic no? Don't you believe that the country benefits from an expanding workforce, revenue base, diversified culture?
Let's not be selfish. There's enough for everyone. Let's open the borders And let them all in right up the midwest into all those big empty states.
It's not over dramatic at all... look at the feminist Germaine Greer in her support of aboriginal genital mutilation; what about the Dutch Theo Van Gogh or Pim Fatuyn - it's not an exaggeration; the extension of "equality" as tolerance cost them their lives. And there are countless others. Look at the persecution of Ezra Lavant of Canada for "free speech," born of a desire of this very same "equality" - where is the tolerance?
Open the Midwest? Are you kidding me, they already have the much of the South, what you are suggesting is that we also give them the North.
And who are you anyway? Caucasians do not support this invasion and either does the African American; so who are you, anyway? Attacks on "establishment" in favor of those who seek to further subjugate you will not improve your situation.
The feminists I know are against female genital mutilation. I don't know from the dutch, except I like them and find them very tolerant and lovers of freedom & equality. (also very thankful they founded the greatest city on earth (nyc))
I support immigration because it has always made America great, And it always will. I disagree that it is bad. That comes from fearful people. Maybe greedy, selfish people. But not tolerant people. Not people who have the vision to see the growth that immigrants always create.
That nation is great because anyone can become an American. I can't become German, or Japanese! This country belongs to theentire planet, all people.
That is why we are great.
Sorry. It ain't just for us. We gotta share.
And maybe if you tell me "who you are" I may tell you who I am.
The point is that even today's feminists are rolling over for the Muslim; good luck with that.
Uncontrolled illegal Hispanic immigration has not made NY any better... your theory has already failed the test; in short, it's no longer applicable because of far different social conditions.
Feminists are NOT rolling over for ANYONE!. You are absolutely wrong about that.
NY is just fine. The problems we have are not because of hard working immigrants. It's because of greedy, selfish, 1% plutocrats.
You're a wack job... two years ago my school district layed off 19 teachers and hired four ESL teachers; the education tax payers have invested millions in has gone to shit due to immigration. And so have their neighborhoods.
And Dem feminists are rabidly pro-Islam.
Wrong, wrong and wrong again,
Give it up. I can't be hateful like you.
That's why we win. We are positive and you are negative.
Illegal is not offensive, it's a fact. Your fake outrage is funny, you act like you are against bigotry but fail to contain your own. Practice what you preach maybe then you will get respect
I do not seek respect from racists.
"illegals" IS offensive to the hard working people who come here to work and provide for their families. And to me and anyone who supports them.
My outrage is real.!
What bigotry are you accusing me of "not containing"?
The only bigot I see is you, you make blanket statements about entire groups of people your outrage is selective and baseless, you think calling people racist will cause them to backdown, but it's nothing more than pathetic grasp when you have no argument it's been a dem play for many years. Only difference is I know your full of shit and call you on it.
What blanket statement are you accusing me of? I appears you are making things up.
You should try to stick to the truth and refrain from the unfounded name calling. You must come to believe that your position is strong enough to compete fairly in the marketplace of ideas without the lies and insults.
You can do it. You have all my confidence. Good luck in that.
Please everyone knows libs don't want to compete at anything. It seemed ok for you call me a racists but you don't like it in kind? What makes you really sad is you try to creat "racism" where none exists
"libs don't want to compete at anything" Is that a blanket statement?
What blanket statement are you accusing me of? I appears you are making things up.
You should try to stick to the truth and refrain from the unfounded name calling. You must come to believe that your position is strong enough to compete fairly in the marketplace of ideas without the lies and insults.
You can do it. You have all my confidence. Good luck in that.
So it's ok for you to use but I'm not allowed to? I tried to get you to not make and I failed. So I thought I would play the game your way.
You never backed up your false accusation that I've used blanket statements.
Then you used one. THEN you blamed me for your lanket statement.!
LMFAO. Your like an 8 year old.
Peace. Good luck in all your good efforts.
Havnt we tried that before and you still didn't belive me (you asked for example I provided one and you kinda fliped out ) so history doesn't sit we'll with me giving you examples. And 8 yr old is where you wanted to take it so I folllowed
My fault again? You ain't never responsible for your own behavior.
And no, you never gave any example, And no I never flipped out.
Sorry.
Yea actually you became unhinged, I did you chose not to believe it that's not my problem it's yours
I don't believe you!. I think you're makin it up. I rarely get unhinged here, & yuo haven't provided any evidence so.
Like I said unhinged and you don't believe me that's your problem not mine. I could provide actual video and you wouldn't believe, which is the actual def. of closed minded bigot!
My memory is fine. Just more dishonest accusations from you.
Whatever helps you sleep at nite
I haven't asked where you live! You continue to call me unhinged without offering proof.
I post honest stories that you just disagree with. That's all.
Really? Selective memory loss.
You offer no evidence 'cause there ain't none. You're unfounded insults are meaningless.
Just a waste of time.
Please grow up.
Posting links to extreme left wing sites is not proof of anything (which is all you ever do) I'm not telling an unhinged lunatic where I live sorry.