Forum Post: Dem's & Rep's Saints & Sinners It is not that simple. Anti-people & Pro-people will get you closer to reality.
Posted 12 years ago on Aug. 14, 2012, 9:35 a.m. EST by DKAtoday
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IMO
We need to identify all pro-people politicians and support them and identify all pro-corpoRATion politicians and get them booted.
This goes for Dem. and Rep.
And along with this we need to push issues. Issues to support and issues to oppose.
I like the premise of this but I personally have worked for several small corporations that employed less than 50 people and paid all of them well. In fact one of them, an ATM company, was the best paycheck I've made to date. Most (not all) people that back the Anti-people ideas do so because of the media they have chosen to allow influence over them. That media and demographic uses the Christian religion as a hook. As such when you see those Anti-people, you are almost guaranteed a bite if you use the same hook. It's also easy to shut these people down because they don't want to pay for anything but they want everything. Greed is an easy attitude to expose and discredit with their own comments.
It needs refinement but I think you are onto something with replacing our current label system because it uses human nature as an assist. Good show.
I saw where13 dems voted to extend the oil corpoRATs subsidies. They should be on the anti people list. I'll look it up. Of course I would seek to replace them in a primary (which are now over) whith a pro people pol. But I can appreciate the spirit of this valuable effort.
Thanks VQ.
People this is what needs be done.
Find the politicians that are supporting bad policy or are introducing bad policy - oppose them.
Find politicians that support or try to introduce good policy and support them.
This is only one part though.
Find and support good issues that are being campaigned - YES - Like the Move to Amend campaign - sign on in support.
The most positive change that can happen in our government - would be to get people working for the people into office = Senate & Congress.
The president is one single person - if the president is a people's president - he can only approve good legislation brought to him - he can do little in the way of stopping bad legislation - he can send it back - he can veto it - but if it is tied to something that must be approved and the time for action has run out - he can only do the best that can be done at the moment.
The key is to only get good legislation in front of the president for approval.
One subject at a time legislation is another issue to support.
One cannot BE the problem and SOLVE the problem:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-cannot-be-the-problem-and-solve-the-problem/
Yup - saw your post. Opting Out Is Not An Option!!!
Part of voting and taking proper part in government is to change the agenda.
Oppose the corpoRATions and corpoRATist's.
Support good issues = Like Move to Amend & one subject at a time legislation.
Support those that support issues like these and oppose ( boot out of office ) those that oppose issues like these.
People get involved - VOTE - but don't let that be all that you do.
"Opting out is not an option"? Neither is voting in rigged elections:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-cannot-be-the-problem-and-solve-the-problem/
How is it that you are gonna change the system from the outside?
The people need to get involved and stay involved - or it does not really matter who you have in office or what system of government you have.
People excluded or choosing not to get involved = sick society.
The system is broken. Revolution is the only solution:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-cannot-be-the-problem-and-solve-the-problem/
Where have you been? OWS and all Occupy movements are part of the revolution.
A NON-VIOLENT Revolution.
So go away now you bother me kid.
Yes... OWS and the Occupy Movement IS about revolution, whereas your postings to this forum are about everything BUT revolution:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-cannot-be-the-problem-and-solve-the-problem/
You seem to be confused.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/revolution-what-is-it-many-seem-to-be-confused-or-/
"Revolution" is not about posting Wikipedia entries to a low-traffic online forum:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-cannot-be-the-problem-and-solve-the-problem/
Revolution is not opting out!
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"Revolution is not opting out!" No kidding, Karl:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-cannot-be-the-problem-and-solve-the-problem/
You need to stay on your post and promote you campaign of Peaceful revolution - rather then spam your post and attacking other supporters of the Occupy movements.
If you have nothing positive to say ( about a supporters comments and posts ) - then don't say anything.
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So say something useful or go away.
Like I said the apparent low IQ of corpoRATist's and supremacists - would seem a better target for your opt-out of the political process campaign.
The only references I have made to "opting out" were when I was quoting you. I am advocating "opting in" to the Revolution, which is a concept posers like you can only post Wikipedia entries about:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-cannot-be-the-problem-and-solve-the-problem/