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Forum Post: "Democrats block Keystone bill in setback for Senate Republicans"

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 28, 2015, 7:01 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ
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I guess you guys didn't get rid of all them evil Dems, there is still a few there but thanks to the hard work of folks like flip, BradB, and Shadz it is only a temporary setback they will get their pipeline soon.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-na-keystone-filibuster-20150126-story.html

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[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

"Follow your convictions – this could be the end of the politics of fear"

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/28/convictions-politics-fear-syriza-podemos-snp-green

The article is about the UK, but we have a similar situation here, with people like you trying to fear us all into voting for candidates we don't believe in and don't want to lead us. We're gonna hold on to our hope for something much better. Thank you very much.

[-] 3 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

Great article BW. Thanks for spreading the word. The tide is turning against the 1%. On Youtube there is an interesting discussion between Tsiparas and Zizek on the mounting resistance against austerity and neoliberal policies in Europe.

Please watch the following video on Direct Democracy. It's great!

http://youtu.be/GnR5hiAZgKM

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

"Democracy, like freedom, can take many forms."

"Representative democracy is not democratic."

"Direct democracy.... allows the members to be self managed without the use of bureaucrats or politicians."

"93% of house races and 94% of Senate races were won by the candidate who spent the most money."

"Politicians cannot act and say what they want to say. Political representatives do not represent society because their actions are geared to appeal to the least common denominator."

Corporations are running the show here. That's not democracy.

"Elections are big business. Money always wins."

"Politicians tell people what they should think, dream and who they should hate, fear and worship. They shape who we are instead of the other way around."

Sad truths from your video. Thanks serfing.

[-] 2 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

The tide is turning. Everyday more and more people wake up about this political duopoly scam.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

The tide is turning! Keep fighting! Never, ever give up on the 99%!

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[-] 2 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 2 years ago

I agree, "The tide is turning." To me, when nearly 2/3 of the eligible people chose not to vote in the mid-terms, it signifies the beginning of the end of the duopoly, and it is more, a sign of their good health than anything else.

[-] 4 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

You are right Johannus. The tide is turning. The spell is broken. The paradigm shift has begun.

The duopoly has done alot of harm to the 99%. Subsequently the 2016 elections are not going to be business as usual for the duopoly. Expect the 99% to show just how much they resent getting jilted. I think we are all in for some surprises in 2016.

[-] 3 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 2 years ago

I've discovered that many of the people who you would least expect to be knowledgeable about the oligarchy in which we live, are indeed very enlightened. Very soon, we will no longer be able to be ignored. No one has a crystal ball and can predict how this will all work out. But I think we all know though that failure is not an option, and that either way, we are in perilous times. The major, more immediate consolation for me (and I strongly suspect for you too) is in knowing that many of the people working so hard and unselfishly to bring about the systemic change that we so desparately need, are some of the best people that you will ever meet.

Edit; My hat is off to you, and the many other good people in our struggle.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

you would expect more people to be knowledgeable about the effect of voting and not voting and the policies promoted by the GOP and how that has affected wealth distribution, but you find stupid people everywhere on here I find many like yourself who talk one way then elect the GOP, how stupid can people be really? You have expanded my understanding of just how stupid people can be, yet I feel you have yet to reach the full depth of what you are capable of so please do go on.....

do you really think that people who can not figure out that the GOP is not an option will be rallied by cliches?

[-] 3 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 2 years ago

The only thing worse than being paid for being "stupid," is to do it for free. Are you still capable of understanding that?

[-] 1 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

The people that campaign for the political establishment on here are definitely getting paid.

Think about it. Occupy should be the last place supporters of establishment party politics come. Yet they infest his forum with their trolling subversion tactics.

Duopoly campaigners coming here, is like a butcher trying to sell blood drenched sides of beef at a vegan convention.

[-] 4 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 2 years ago

For the most part, I definitely agree that there are several paid hacks on here, and they are using more sophisticated methods as well. On the other side of the coin though; Can you imagine anyone who would want to pay this guy for trying to subvert our struggle?

"Duopoly campaigners coming here is like a butcher trying to sell blood drenched sides of beef at a vegan convention." Wow that analogy is very vivid and powerful! At the same time subverters have improved their tactics, Occupiers have also improved their abilities at spotting and responding to their bullshit.

That reminds me, it's getting close to dinner time.

[-] 3 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

You make a strong point. No denying it, they're a strange bunch.

There is something creepy and mechanical about them. Even when they are angry, it's seems rehearsed and without passion. They're like vacant, souless DNC drones.

Sometimes I wonder if they're really human. Do you think they could be bots?

[-] 3 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 2 years ago

I don't know much about bots. I was kinda thinking that their bullshit was emanating from one of the DNC, RNC or HS headquarters located in NY or in the 'burbs of DC. Gee who the hell lives in, or at least admits to living in Coon Rapids?

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Disinformation Freaks - sell outs - supporters of the status quo = corp(se)oRATion domination - Stinkle/Twinkle teamers - bot users - sock users - wolves in OWS clothing :

johannus

turbocharger

SerfingUSA

flip

Note: You are known by any who have been here awhile to see your antics/comments/posts/activity. You operate to instill apathy and opting out of putting up any resistance to the current state of affairs. You plant disinformation/lies to attack those who are trying to encourage involvement in recovering government (state and federal) for the people. You post only enough anti establishment comments to try to keep your real agenda hidden. Now make a stupid reply in protest and vote each-other up and this comment down - it's what you do feeble as it is.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I though this would be about masked executioners egging on the bombing of ISIS

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

no

mostly no

who?

it's not like people are needed to plow the farmland

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You talk as if you don't have to live by the laws "the establishment" write or live in the world they create, I come here to encourage people to take action to change their world, you are here to feed your ego, there is a difference, I grant you that, but while I still can let me say what a sick twisted person are.

You are the lowest kind of liar, you know that what you do causes the 1% to gain wealth but you don't care, you care only for your own political party the filthy Greens.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

doubtful

[-] 3 points by johannus (386) from Newburgh, NY 2 years ago

I've always admired people who were able to be succinct in their writing. You have my my praise. ;-)

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The question remains are you capable of understanding that those that win elections write laws?

You put the GOP in power with your efforts it is you that is responsible for what they do.

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

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[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

electing W Bush in 2000 did a lot of harm too

oh and Congrats to you on getting rid of so many evil Dems in the last elect your friends the GOP will do much better at least more of what you want anyway.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The was turn significantly toward the right and the GOP in last election as 70% of voters decided to let someone else decide and they decided for the rich.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

many are paid by the rich to work

that's how money is currently introduced into the system

loans rent and control of distribution circulates that money back to the rich

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

when the majority just don't care what can we expect?

every couple of years we get a chance to change it, but most don't bother to show up

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

the voting system is broken

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

not so broken that the GOP can't use it to pump the earth dry,

remember you have helped to break it, in countries where more people vote, they drop fewer bombs and people are paid more, but those people live with filthy hands still, because their leaders still are not perfect..we drop a lot of bombs and people are paid crap, but many can say "it's not my fault" even if it is...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

that be private property if it were not public property

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

your private hands are squeaky clean except for what the GOP do, you share blame in that...

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Idiot - so - you think it healthy to let government be taken over completely by the 1%. As that "is" what you are advocating when you advocate opting out = removing opposition.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

It was already owned by the 1% you fool, why do you think it is there?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Your logic is faulty - 6 years of denial for the keystone expansion that only failed after the new members (GOP members) took office in 2015 and pushed through the approval. WTFU rock-head!

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Actually the keystone has been being built for a long time, its just you are too dumb to realize it.

Here ya go, Obama backing the pipeline. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/us/politics/in-oklahoma-obama-declares-pipeline-support.html?_r=0

But in politics, the game is to fool the population. That would be you Dan. Fooled like a tool.

Man you are one dumb son of a gun. Oooowwww.....

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I oppose OH-Bummers all of the above energy stance - I ALWAYS HAVE.

His support for such does not change the fact that he had little traction and much opposition prior to this year.

What is different about this year than the last six years of stout opposition to keystone and other oil expansions?

What is different - IS - the loss of dem seats in both houses and the gain of those seats by the GOP.

Face the facts rock-head!!!!!!!!!

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Actually you dont oppose it, you voted for it.

[-] 6 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

i did not vote for the war

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Me neither Matt

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Bullshit - if anyone here is likely to have voted for it - that would likely be you - as when one considers your outspoken hatred of the dems and your silence on the repubs - one could rightly figure that if you voted - it was likely for the GOP candidates in your election - this seems most likely as you don't even bring up any mention of possible choices outside of what you call the duopoly.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Its not about likely. You actually voted for it.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1718) 12 hours ago

I posted the most in-depth anit ALEC on this site, and you ignored it because it didnt fit your agenda.

Which only shows you really arent as anti-ALEC as much as you are pro-Dem.

And again, seems how you are a slow learner, if you follow history, you will see wide spread support for war from both parties.

Shit, Dems dont even vote on it anymore, having attacked over 7 nations in the last 7 years.

Thats on your name, you voted for it.

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"I posted the most in-depth anit ALEC on this site"

Nice of you to post a link to this in depth post of yours............... wait a moment.................... No no you didn't - my bad.

Tell me.

Was this in depth post of yours put out after the weeks and weeks and weeks of your trying to discount the relevance and importance of ALEC it's activities and it's membership? Your program of dismissal - in which you kept getting shot down in flames for trying to forward? Is that when you made the post? To try to salvage some sort of cover? Hey????

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

TOP 10 Arms Produces

Notes: An S denotes a subsidiary company. A dash (–) indicates that the company did not rank among the SIPRI Top 100 for 2009

Lockheed Martin USA 35,730 33,430 78
BAE Systems UK 32,880 32,540 95
Boeing USA 31,360 32,300 49
Northrop Grumman USA 28,150 27,000 81
General Dynamics USA 23,940 23,380 74
Raytheon USA 22,980 23,080 91
BAE Systems Inc. (BAE Systems, UK) USA 17,900 19,280 100
EADS Trans-European 16,360 15,930 27
Finmeccanica Italy 14,410 13,280 58
L-3 Communications USA 13,070 13,010 83
United Technologies USA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/mar/02/arms-sales-top-100-producers

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

BULLSHIT - you are just as duplicitous as Boner when he blames the dems for the government shutdown that the republicans caused because they (GOP) were dead set against the ACA for the public. You vote GOP/ALEC and then you try to blame others for the toxic crap that results.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I don't vote that, I have standards by which I live by.

You on the other hand, vote for more oil, war and corruption willingly. A bit strange, but not uncommon. Fear is a powerful tool.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

no politician wanted for public health facilities

the people want control

no need to hand it to the financiers

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

healthcare is not a competition

a motivation to help may be greater than a motivation of greed

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1718) 0 minutes ago

I don't vote that, I have standards by which I live by.

You on the other hand, vote for more oil, war and corruption willingly. A bit strange, but not uncommon. Fear is a powerful tool.

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And there ya go = blatant lies. You staunch defender and supporter of ALEC and it's (mostly) republican membership. Even if you won't admit the truth = GOP the major supporters of all things fossil fuel and all things war (MIC) - pretty much everyone who actually tracks such things do know.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I posted the most in-depth anit ALEC on this site, and you ignored it because it didnt fit your agenda.

Which only shows you really arent as anti-ALEC as much as you are pro-Dem.

And again, seems how you are a slow learner, if you follow history, you will see wide spread support for war from both parties.

Shit, Dems dont even vote on it anymore, having attacked over 7 nations in the last 7 years.

Thats on your name, you voted for it.

[-] -1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Again, what is your position on Keystone?

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

build it as government property

[-] -1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

All three of my latest comments were marked down within 90 seconds of each other.

See how this works?

http://occupywallst.org/forum/it-wont-work-turbocharger-shule-johannus-flip-and-/

[-] -1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

So what is your position on Keystone?

[-] 2 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

Keystone is the use of public money/land for private profits. It has a negative impact on the environment.It is the misuse of eminent domain for corporate interests. It recklessly perpetuates the dependency on a dying energy product. The 99% must not stay addicted to 1% owned resources.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

add a tax to the pipelines use

[-] 2 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

Great idea Matt. If it can't be stopped, tax it heavily. Use that money to start public banks. Then give financial assistance to start community small businesses and coops.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

tired of squabbling for money either way

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by SerfingUSA (370) 14 minutes ago

When 2/3's of the public Opt-out, we have an illegitimate govt.

Obviously this is a syndrome the duopoly created and therefore can NOT fix.

The alarm bells are ringing! We all know it's time for MAJOR changes?

Direct Democracy on major issues. Referendums, Initatives, Recalls, etc.

Ban all political parties. Parties are a misdirection of loyalty.

Ban money in politics. Money is a misdirection of loyalty.

Term limits.

Ban corporate propaganda journalism that masquerades as freepress news.

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You rock-head ( my apologies to rocks everywhere for making this comparison).

Just how the hell do you propose making any change at all when you advocate opting out?

The only thing you accomplish by opting out - IS - ensuring that no GOOD change will ever be accomplished for the people.

So - you - just keep on grasping your ankles with your pants pulled down - because you SHOULD be in that position as all you are gonna get "is" screwed.

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

It could have been stopped you idiot.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

aside from all this prop up jobs bullshit

it's just a pipeline

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep - and now all we (the sane) can hope for - is - a presidential veto and not enough support/votes in congress to override it.

But the fucking insane opt-outers can't see that they gave control to the worst F'n enemy of the people the environment the world = GOP

[-] 5 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Sorry DKA, but your Ds just piled on 9 to make it a victory. And its that constant sell out mentality that leads to these big swings in party makeup that we are seeing these days.

Doing the same tricks over and over like a fuckin trained circus animal is not the solution.

Thats why this site is here. Why you are too has always been a mystery.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I C Ur Corp(se)oRAT loven cronies are out in force to applaud Ur bat shit crazy interpretation of opting out. Those blue dogs (republiCON except for claimed party affiliation) were in office before the 2014 election and they did not have enough power to swing the votes in favor of the other corp(se)oRATists until after the election which saw the addition to the republiCON seats (in name/party affiliation) in office and the decline in the number of seats of the dems.

Now that is what I call reality = gains for the main-line corp(se)oRATists/GOP and the following approval for Keystone and added support (no doubt) for things like Atlantic oil drilling and TPP.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

thew government has failed to get the vote of the people

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

No one loves corporations more than Democrat and Republican politicians. They are what fund their campaigns, give them the perks, and make them the showbiz of the ugly.

Their followers, however, will gobble up whatever they have been told.

Usually the longer someone has been following, the more loyal they are. Classic stockholm syndrome.

You need to let go of everything you have been told and open your eyes. Take about 100 steps back.

You are actually part of the problem, not the solution.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

6 years keystone was denied - then 2014 elections - dems lost seats in both houses and repubs gained seats in both houses - 2015 new members in office and keystone gets the approval it needs. Face reality shithead. Those who opted out instead of voting against the greater evil (GOP) allowed the greater evil to gain the majority that they have been needing to push through both houses this toxic BS.

WTFU and face reality.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

So did your voting get the Atlantic opened up for drilling as well?

Or do you simply get fucked no matter what happens?

Because thats what it seems like to any normal human being. Normal being people who arent slaves to the propaganda.

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Winter.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1718) 0 minutes ago

Your votes go to them, thats who they are.

Why do you support war? Why do you support Wall St and bailouts? Why do you support the constant destruction of the world for the oil cartel?

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Well rock-head - those are obviously questions you meant to be aimed at yourself - but you are so fucked up you project them elsewhere. When you opt out "you" support those things - as you certainly are "NOT" opposing them.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I dont opt out, but not surprising to see you lying through your teeth as usual.

There is no stronger endorsement than putting your name behind something. And you have put your name behind the most henious crimes- as have I. The only difference isI got a clue, and you are still contributing to them.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

certainly not in any physical sense

a building must be opposed to be supported

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1718) 5 minutes ago

Careful, your inner neocon is starting to show again.

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You are dumber than a box of rocks ( again my apologies to rocks everywhere) - do you even know what a neocon is?

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Your votes go to them, thats who they are.

Why do you support war? Why do you support Wall St and bailouts? Why do you support the constant destruction of the world for the oil cartel?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just exactly how stupid are you? The 2/3 opting out and allowing the GOP to get the majority that they have been needing - will - allow them to forward all kinds of toxic bullshit. The opposition to such BS was weakened by the 2014 elections just as the opposition to the keystone expansion was weakened.

[-] 3 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

When 2/3's of the public Opt-out, we have an illegitimate govt.

Obviously this is a syndrome the duopoly created and therefore can NOT fix.

The alarm bells are ringing! We all know it's time for MAJOR changes.

  • Direct Democracy on major issues. Referendums, Initatives, Recalls, etc.

  • Ban all political parties. Parties are a misdirection of loyalty.

  • Ban money in politics. Money is a misdirection of loyalty.

  • Term limits.

  • Ban corporate propaganda journalism that masquerades as freepress news.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Careful, your inner neocon is starting to show again.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

both parties are losing control and relivance

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yeah 9 blue dogs and one hundred percent of the GOP. Suck on it asshole. Those 2/3 who opted out made it possible by allowing the GOP majority to happen. If they hadn't those 9 blue dogs would "still" have not been enough to pass Keystone.

YA TWIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

neither party can claim getting a majority of the vote

both are an embarrassment

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Yup, and they all take the oil money regardless.

And looks like your fearless leader went and hid as usual. A none vote on the biggest vote so far in the year.

Great crew there DKA, ya, you aren't being totally played.... right.....

Please keep your sucking fantasies to yourself. Theres plenty of internet sites for that.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wssamatta - U all depressed and crabby since Ur Mitten decided not 2 run again? Or is U crowing cause it makes it better 4 Jeb Shrub? Hard 2 tell with U Eeyore.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I could care less about either them, truth is the people you support are much more similar to them than I am.

With that being said, you seem to have reverted to your usual troll behavior lately. Are you agitated about something else? Because I am always here to talk, no matter if I agree with your political views or not.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

the people you support are much more similar to them than I am.

Bernie Sanders is? Really?

Because I am always here to talk, no matter if I agree with your political views or not.

BS - that is what you talk - pure crap.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Uh, yes. Bernie has voted for more war than I shake a stick at.

Silent on just about ever major issue.

Bernie likes his role as the white night of the Dems. And the Dems need at least a few of them. Msot Dem supporters could care less if he is a zionist freak. They can't make the connections to the bigger picture.

If not for him or EW, you would be lost. Then who would you pander to? Harry Reid? Mr I cant Vote because Im a major player and I like my job?

I liked Weiner, and you saw what your crew did to him.

Keep running with criminals and claiming to be a saint DKA.

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

9 Dems huh? Is that all it takes to keep your last half dozen surviving brain cells preoccupied with the 'duopoly'?

Go play turbo, before you forget where you left your ball.

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[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Well typed. Unfortunately, because 2/3 of your fellow citizens gave up their right to vote this past November, Keystone will go forward primarily along majority party lines. Only a veto from our Democrat Preident can stop it. That stoppage will most likely be temporary because the Republicans will probably have the votes necessary to override that Presidential veto. Thanks again to the 2/3 who stayed home on the HORRIBLE advice of Russell Brand and his IDIOT promoters.

[-] 2 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

You must not be so gullible as to allow yourself to fall for this 1% scam. Not only are all major politicians vetted, financed and fully controlled by the 1%, THEY ARE the 1%. Do not be naive and fall for this obvious con game.

Keystone will pass no matter which duopoly party is in office. They serve The same masters. That's not to say the demoCRAPS won't kick up alot of dust and pretend to be fighting against it. The duopoly role plays as Good Cop/Bad Cop and uses various Pro wrestling theater to give the public the illusion someone is on their side. This is a giant political charade, the duopoly is NOT on the 99%'s side.

This is the evil 1% system you fight to keep the same. The system the 99% must fight to change.

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Not all federal politicians are in the 1% by income or net worth. Again, the entry level by income is well over $400,000. By net worth, it's around $9,000,000. These two standards exclude a significant number of Congressmen.

Keystone has been delayed for over five years now by the Democrats. It was going NOWHERE until the Republicans finally got the majority they were hoping for. Now, it's moving forward in a big way. That proves your second point wrong.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I'm so relieved someone's wrong

we built these bombs to be used

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

So what is your position on Keystone?

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't care if you fear the GOP neither do they, all they care about is being in power and making their friends more money, and you and people like you put the GOP in power so if being reminded of what you have done makes you think that is a good thing.

The UK has a completely different election system than ours, some would say the parliamentary system is a better democracy, it can certainly be argued that it is, however the only we we could get there is through a Constitutional Convention or a bloody revolution and I oppose both of those answers. there is a different way, one in which we get out of our shells and make smart choices.

If you can take over a country you can sure as hell take over a party.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

We don't need a bloody revolution to have more than 2 choices when we go to vote, but good of you to realize that there are better democracies out there than ours.

And, it's not fear OF the GOP, it's the fear that they perpetuate about just about everything that scares people into voting FOR them.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

less voted for either party this last election

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and yet people were still elected

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

not by majority of the population

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Yet not only the "majority" but everyone on the planet are affected by their decisions, see how that works? The people who show up decide for us all.

but yes it was a victory of sorts for you, lowest turnout in 70 years, and biggest GOP margin in over 80 years, I guess you got what you wanted without even showing up

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't fear that you help elect the GOP, I fear what the GOP will do when you let them win.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

You are talking about democracy here aren't you? You keep trying to bully Americans into voting for something they don't believe in. Are you seriously going to repeat over and over again that people should not vote for what they believe in? It's messed up, frankly. If I vote Green, I'm not freaking responsible for the GOP winning. Maybe more Dems should vote Green, maybe that is the problem. Yeah, that is the problem. People like YOU keep supporting the corporatocracy. I blame YOU for the GOP winning.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

If you let the GOP win when you know you could have done something to stop it you are indeed responsible for what they do. (just like bullying)

If your lack of action is based on your opinion that you are somehow more perfect in thought than another you are a stupid fool that has been taken in entirely by the 1%.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

You can have the last word, this is a circular argument, and we're never going to agree.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

There is nothing circular about the fact that what you do helps the GOP win, it doesn't have to be that way, we could all join together everyone that feels the rich are too rich and defeat the party that makes it that way, you have other motives you work for your own ego.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

Right, so why don't you tell your beloved Dems to do the right thing, and throw off the corporate chains, and fight for the PEOPLE!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It might surprise to you know that I am not King, I look at the real world and make real decisions trying to cause change as best I can, and in the real world the GOP work to make the rich richer and so I do what I can to stop them from winning.

You on the other hand are OK with the GOP winning as long as you feel good about who you vote for, for you feeling good is far more important than what happens.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago


Thank God, congress coward have an issue to fight over

they won't have to face the US military

can't we just airstrike the pipeline once it's built?

that sounds like american know how



[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

They ain't gonna stand n the way of air strikes

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and while the GOP pump oil to every corner of the Earth at least you will know your hands are clean that you indeed are a saint, isn't that just great for you Matt?

after all it is all about you and your clean hands right Matt?

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

are you just plain stupid? seems so

On the eve of the Obama administration’s release Tuesday of a report warning about grave consequences of climate change, presidential counselor John Podesta went into the White House briefing room andcrowed about fossil-fuel production in words that could have been penned by Dick Cheney. “The United States is now the largest producer of natural gas in the world and the largest producer of gas and oil in the world,” Podesta declared. “It’s projected that the United States will continue to be the largest producer of natural gas through 2030. For six straight months now, we’ve produced more oil here at home than we’ve imported from overseas.” Podesta went on to say that as part of the “big increase” in oil and gas production, “we’re back on track to produce more oil and gas in the Gulf” of Mexico. As for environmental concerns related to all this production, “that can be dealt with through the proper application of the best practices to produce that oil and gas.”

president obama said - “We're more energy independent: The world's no. 1 oil and gas producer is not Russia, it's not Saudi Arabia, it's the United States of America,” he said to widespread applause from the friendly audience.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

if you had been paying attention you would know that I actually posted that low gas prices were not a good thing, I don't recall you chiming in then, but you only speak when you can help the GOP win, you have your mission I have mine......

you might also recall me stating that there is no perfection in politics with the exception of the perfect evil that is the GOP....

but I wait with baited breath as you explain why you feel the GOP to be better on climate change than the Dems.....

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

nobody here is surprised that your breath smells like bait - and no i do not recall you stating anything because nothing you state is memorable - nothing. i post what i think will interest the people here that i like - th people here that are intelligent and are trying to figure out how to move towards a better world. that woudl not be you in case you were wondering. i try to post things i don't think they are likely to read. oh, and once in a while i post something i think will annoy you and the dem lovers here - i stopped that a long time ago when i realized that it doesn't matter - you are annoyed not matter what is posted

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

oh no need to guess we can see here what you post:

https://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=user%3Aflip

and the many posts with ZERO comments but still you slug on as if anyone cares what you say, here on the other hand you can see what I post and the number of comments made, so as far as who has been read and is most read well you are a pimple bubby.

https://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=user%3Afactsrfun

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

wow - thanks for that - is that all of them? did you read any of them - i just picked out a section at random but these were really good no? you can't find fault with them - can you? mlk - could be written today - the president of uruguay! - the zapatista's - what's not to like? and how about paul street and "they live" - great movie no?? tim wise is really good right and sorry for nader but what he says cannot be disputed unless you do not want to address what he says and just say something stupid about gore and florida!

the zapatista's World Festival of Resistance and Rebellion against Capitalism 4 comments 1 month ago by flip (7101) last comment 1 month ago

chomsky on cuba 9 comments 1 month ago by flip (7101) last comment 1 month ago

the amazing president of uruguay 39 comments 1 month ago by flip (7101) last comment 1 month ago

russell brand on torture 0 comments 1 month ago by flip (7101) last comment 1 month ago

robert reich on wall street democrats 79 comments 2 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 1 hour ago

old news worth repeating - obama cracks down on occupy 13 comments 2 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 1 month ago

why we do not want to be called liberals 0 comments 2 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 2 months ago

America’s Warp Speed Decline into an Unequal Society 116 comments 2 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 2 months ago

Black Reality and White Denial in America by tim wise 19 comments 2 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 2 months ago

Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. on riots - March 1968, 5 comments 2 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 2 months ago

ralph nader on the election and the democrats 5 comments 2 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 2 months ago

russell brand nails it 79 comments 2 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 2 months ago

pax americana - vietnam style 59 comments 2 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 1 month ago

"In Defense of Deficits" by the great James Galbraith by Auburn Parks 0 comments 4 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 4 months ago

cornel west on obama, Du Bois and more 4 comments 4 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 4 months ago

Cuba Denounces Obama Admin for Extending Embargo 0 comments 4 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 4 months ago

paul street on the dismantling of ows and the movie "they live" (john carpenter's view of the reagan years) 0 comments 4 months ago by flip (7101) last comment 4 months ago

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

all these posts and not one ill word for the GOP, you are reveled indeed....

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

To you anyway. Some really good ones right?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

as I have said you kicked ass in 2014 running them Dems out of Washington,

sure you been kinkin' ass alright how else could the GOP win the biggest margin in 87 years?

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

who knew i was so influential - thanks again for reminding me of my posts - some of them were really good right?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Oh I forgot for a minute what an ego whore you were of course I shouldn't it completely defines your political outlook, you wish to be King and help elect the GOP in hopes that it will piss people off so much that they will demand your Coronation.

To clarify yes you seem to do as good a job as any con attacking the Dems and helping elect the GOP and overall you guys did really well in the last election getting your party elected to the largest majority in 87 years.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

The oil is moving regardless. All this does is switch the boat jobs for pipeline jobs.

Your Dems are taking oil money. This is just another political football for them.

[-] 0 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Hey turbo! Has the concept of 'research' ever occurred to you? You might want to consider doing some before you run your fingers.

Senate Republicans Vote to Protect Secret Spending by Big Oil

Keystone Amendment would have Required Disclosure of Campaign Spending by Koch Brothers and other Tar Sands Beneficiaries

Wednesday, January 28, 2015

Washington, DC – As the Senate continues into its fourth week of debate on the Keystone XL pipeline legislation, Senators today voted on an amendment by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) to shine a light on the special interest money that is influencing the debate.  Whitehouse’s amendment would have required companies or individuals who hold leases or stand to make more than $1 million from tar sands development – such as the Koch brothers – to disclose their political spending.  Republican Senators blocked the amendment by a vote of 44-52.

“Right now I imagine many Americans are wondering why the new Republican majority has devoted its first month in office to cramming through a legislative gift to Big Oil rather than passing legislation to tackle more serious issues,” Whitehouse said.  “This amendment would have helped answer that question by requiring public disclosure of political spending by the special interests who will benefit from the Keystone pipeline and tar sands production.  By blocking this provision, Senate Republicans are protecting the ability of their deep-pocketed friends to secretly buy influence and keeping the American people in the dark.”

Koch Industries is one of the largest leaseholders in the Canadian tar sands, with 1.12 million to 1.47 million acres.  This week it was reported that the Koch Brothers political network plans to spend nearly $1 trillion to influence the 2016 election cycle.  In the last election cycle, just one of the Kochs’ political ventures – Americans for Prosperity – boasted of spending as much as $130 million, but was only required to disclose $6.4 million of that spending to the Federal Election Commission.  

The Whitehouse amendment would require covered organizations and individuals to disclose campaign spending over $10,000.  The disclosure requirement in the amendment would apply to all corporate officers, board members, and anyone who owns 5% or more of said companies.

http://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/senate-republicans-vote-to-protect-secret-spending-by-big-oil

Next.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and the world in burning and the rich are getting richer, woe is me should we all just give up?

no wait at least you're winning you did get rid of a bunch of evil Dems in the last election so

CONGRATS TO YOU

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Only a fool would suggest that filling out a piece of paper to endorse the people that are doing this as a solution to stopping it.

How is all of that meth doin ya out there in AZ? You are always up at 2,3,4am.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

you speak of voting as if millions haven't died for the right

you care nothing except that your precious GOP win so that the 1% can have it all, you are the biggest kind of fool

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

How many of your IDs does this make that has been banned for your balent political hack activity?

You have failed completely to explain why you accept the GOP so readily, it could be as some have suggested that you are really just a con, I think not I think you are stupid, but I could be wrong you may be a conservative.

After being banned at least a couple of times I guess it's lying con, that falls out when folks take a careful look. At least you serve as the classic example of one taken in entirely by the 1% bullshit, there is never a break in your relentless service to their cause.

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It is more like you rush to elect them than that you accept them, you got me there, yes the evidence is clear you are a staunch supporter of all that is the GOP!

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Here ya go disinformation freak - one more time.

Who denies health care coverage to the people of their states.

Who has been trying to block (unsuccessfully) the ACA from the time it was 1st brought up and has been trying to get it repealed ever since it got passed?

Who is trying to end the USPS?

Who voted 100% for the keystone pipeline approval?

Who is trying to privatize to wall street Social Security?

Who wants to give more tax breaks to the wealthy?

Who stands in the way of equal pay for women?

Who invited nutters yahoo to speak to both houses of congress?

Who is standing in the way of a minimum wage increase?

Who is doing their best to end the EPA?

Try to answer instead of dodging again (eternally).

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[-] 0 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Newsflash: Tunney's pick for CEO of America is a multi-billionaire.

That's more than every member of Congress, the President and the Clintons combined. A LOT MORE.

Meanwhile, half a dozen of you are falling over yourselves kissing her sell-out ass.

So much for that 'one thing in common'.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-challenge-justine-tunney-to-explain-why-larry-pa/

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

About :

Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to fight back against the richest 1% of people that are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.

Further more:

Principles of Solidarity :

(excerpt) On September 17, 2011, people from all across the United States of America and the world came to protest the blatant injustices of our times perpetuated by the economic and political elites. On the 17th we as individuals rose up against political disenfranchisement and social and economic injustice. We spoke out, resisted, and successfully occupied Wall Street. Today, we proudly remain in Liberty Square constituting ourselves as autonomous political beings engaged in non-violent civil disobedience and building solidarity based on mutual respect, acceptance, and love. It is from these reclaimed grounds that we say to all Americans and to the world, Enough! How many crises does it take? We are the 99% and we have moved to reclaim our mortgaged future. Through a direct democratic process, we have come together as individuals and crafted these principles of solidarity, which are points of unity that include but are not limited to:

  • Engaging in direct and transparent participatory democracy

Further more:

Declaration of the Occupation :

(excerpt) We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!


NOTE that in all of the above that there is no urging to opt out and do nothing

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I advocate voting for any candidates like Kshama Sawant, Cynthia McKinney, Dennis Kucinich or Dr. Jill Stein, both locally and nationally or failing that .. people like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren & then probably for Democraps whilst holding the nose.

I need not misrepresent you - you do that all by yourself.

Took you long enough to admit (however grudgingly) that you would vote dem if it came down to that choice or voting rep. That's the 1st time you have commented with any sanity on the subject.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 3 points by mayda (268) 13 hours ago

Those who 'ass'ume dishonesty of others - are almost invariably very deeply dishonest themselves !!

https://occupywallst.org/forum/democrats-block-keystone-bill-in-setback-for-senat/#comment-1056711

quid pro quo ...

S

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I don't need to assume that you are dishonest - you declare it all by your little self.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by mayda (264) 1 hour ago

Your grasp of basic language is leading u down a cul de sac - yet again !!! Get this, I can NOT actually ''misrepresent'' myself, you specious dolt !! It was your faux accusations - re. ''urging to opt out and do nothing'', that was the case in point, you tedious oaf ! Your retarded non-point, points are batted out of the ball park here :

https://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-and-a-closing-letter-to-all/#comment-1056687

ne quid nimis ...

S

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"I can NOT actually ''misrepresent'' myself"

Sure you can - it's called fraud.

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[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

This is for everyone here !

yeah... and one of the primary goals listed ... is supporting Direct Democracy ...

which is NOT ... keeping with the existing system of supporting one of the existing party's ...

If that is what you want to do ... then there are many DEM & GOP forums you can join ....

If you want to support Direct Democracy ....

the STOP being sloppy ... and telling us how bad some PARTY is ....

TELL us ... WHO (the person) ... and WHAT (the issue)... is .. that is Bad or Good .... be SPECIFIC & FACTUAL ....

and you will be helping us advance Direct Democracy ....

Double D 's are Great !!!! :)

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Here ya go - ya must have missed it before - Clear And Factual - specific and names names.

Keystone vote

YEAs ---62 Alexander (R-TN) Ayotte (R-NH) Barrasso (R-WY) Bennet (D-CO) Blunt (R-MO) Boozman (R-AR) Burr (R-NC) Capito (R-WV) Carper (D-DE) Casey (D-PA) Cassidy (R-LA) Coats (R-IN) Cochran (R-MS) Collins (R-ME) Corker (R-TN) Cornyn (R-TX) Cotton (R-AR) Crapo (R-ID) Cruz (R-TX) Daines (R-MT) Donnelly (D-IN) Enzi (R-WY) Ernst (R-IA) Fischer (R-NE) Flake (R-AZ) Gardner (R-CO) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Hatch (R-UT) Heitkamp (D-ND) Heller (R-NV) Hoeven (R-ND) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johnson (R-WI) Kirk (R-IL) Lankford (R-OK) Lee (R-UT) Manchin (D-WV) McCain (R-AZ) McCaskill (D-MO) McConnell (R-KY) Moran (R-KS) Murkowski (R-AK) Paul (R-KY) Perdue (R-GA) Portman (R-OH) Risch (R-ID) Roberts (R-KS) Rounds (R-SD) Sasse (R-NE) Scott (R-SC) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Sullivan (R-AK) Tester (D-MT) Thune (R-SD) Tillis (R-NC) Toomey (R-PA) Vitter (R-LA) Warner (D-VA) Wicker (R-MS)

NAYs ---36 Baldwin (D-WI) Blumenthal (D-CT) Booker (D-NJ) Boxer (D-CA) Brown (D-OH) Cantwell (D-WA) Cardin (D-MD) Coons (D-DE) Durbin (D-IL) Feinstein (D-CA) Franken (D-MN) Gillibrand (D-NY) Heinrich (D-NM) Hirono (D-HI) Kaine (D-VA) King (I-ME) Klobuchar (D-MN) Leahy (D-VT) Markey (D-MA) Menendez (D-NJ) Merkley (D-OR) Mikulski (D-MD) Murphy (D-CT) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Peters (D-MI) Reed (D-RI) Sanders (I-VT) Schatz (D-HI) Schumer (D-NY) Shaheen (D-NH) Stabenow (D-MI) Udall (D-NM) Warren (D-MA) Whitehouse (D-RI) Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2

Reid (D-NV) Rubio (R-FL)

Of the 36 Senators to vote AGAINST the pipeline, 34 were Democrats. Two were liberal Independents. NONE were Republicans. Every single one of them voted FOR the pipeline. As usual, they have no regard whatsoever for the environment.


I am not campaigning for either party - I am just providing some facts. Facts on issues and who stands for and who stands against

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

cool !! that's what were talking about !!!! now who can argue facts ? ... welcome to Direct Democracy !!! :)

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So you have been banned three or four times from the Occupy Wall Street web site and post like you know something?

Here's the real deal,

|OWS is about raising awareness of wealth inequality and spurring the public to do something about it.|

You come to build a new political party because you are a stinking political hack!

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[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

who owns the keystone pipe ?

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You who understand OWS so well, have been banned twice by the community?

Oh the outrage!

You are nothing but a hack, you refuse to answer any real questions or engage in any real discussion while you fill the site with your hate filled links designed to tear the movement apart, that is why you have been banned so many times.

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No it isn't trying to build a new political party - it is trying to get people to continue to opt out - S666 and it's stinkle team deny reality and cry duopoly - while offering nothing for people to take action in to make positive change - they just lie and say it can't be done - and - opt out.

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[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

We disagree on this, they are fed by the stinking Greens, but either way the bottom line is they seek their own power more so than addressing wealth inequality.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Again - you - DODGE. You have nothing but untruths fantasies and instead of factually defending your stance - you just dodge and throw shit.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Te qui habitas in mendaciis - Tu prouisor de figmentis

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[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

election holidays is one easy fix

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

most states require paid time off, and wouldn't we get better government if more of the unemployed voted? In any case there is direct action we can take, we can rid ourselves of the GOP and then everything would change.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

more people would vote if it were an observed holiday

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

more people would vote, if more people encouraged people to do so

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

election holidays encourage voters

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

maybe the 1% will give us one if you wait long enough

[-] -3 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Republicans rake in cash from oil-and-gas industry

By Zack Colman - 08/08/13 03:42 PM EDT

ExxonMobil topped the list at $344,500 in contributions, $304,500 of which went to Republicans.

Koch Industries, owned by the billionaire brothers who have often backed conservative candidates and causes, came in second by giving $297,000 to Republicans and $5,000 to Democrats.

Rounding out the top five were Marathon Petroleum ($226,000), Halliburton ($161,500) and Chevron ($153,501).

The mining industry has also heavily favored Republicans, giving 83 percent of a total $476,000 in donations to GOP candidates.

The Electric utility industry was less skewed toward Republicans. Such PACs have contributed $3.1 million, handing checks to GOP candidates two-thirds of the time.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/316147-gop-candidates-rake-in-oil-and-gas-money

Next.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

fuel converts to power

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

So it leans Republican? Just like big pharma and telecom leans Democrat?

Does that mean I let Republicans off the hook in the later two instances? Hell no.

My god you are easy to convince to follow along. Like an obedient dog.

[-] -1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Damn right it leans Republican. Virtually every public figure is sold out to commercial healthcare and the telecommunications industry won't have it's way if Obama has his on net neutrality. Now, the entertainment industry in general is a different story.

[+] -4 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

I'm still not sure about BradB and Shadz. No doubt whatsoever about flip, Shule, turbocharger, johannus and SerfingUSA.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Start naming issues and your positions and we can compare our stances.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It is my position the the GOP are evil and should not be elected how do feel about that?

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

Alright. Let's begin with the topic of this page.

What is your position on Keystone?

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

My position is that the oil is already moving from Canada to the gulf regardless.

With 9 Dems voting for it, it shows how effective divide and conquer is, and that the Dems as a group could care less about it. If they did, those nine would be banned from the group immediately.

Whats your take?

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I prefer coca cola

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

the sad thing is Matt you could do something but you choose not to....not that you do nothing you do help the GOP win by discouraging people from voting in such a way as to stop them from winning so you do have an effect

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

correct, neither party cares to block US foreign violence

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

if you look at the world and think that standing by and letting the GOP win is a way towards peace you are a very stupid person Matt

If you care only for your own precious self and nothing more you may not be stupid just ego driven

I don't think you are stupid Matt....

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

have the weapons exports been stopped ?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

We have established already that your vulture is far more important, at least to you, than stopping the 1% from gaining even more wealth.

So to answer your question, no, there is still not a second coming of Christ on the ballot for which you can vote.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

anyone can stop aggressive actions

that "war is inevitable" is the religion that this country chooses to follow

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

the 1% will continue to accept cash while you wait for that no worries

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

as I see it, the 1% dispenses the cash and we do our "job"

often that "job" is to make arms for war

a market system distributes that cash

but a primary work is determined by who puts cash into the system

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You can talk in circles all you want Matt or you can do something, but that involves deciding what to do and accepting that what you do will have good and bad within it, if you wish to do no harm consume not plant nor animal. Pretending your choice has no consequence is no better than me thinking mine the same. The only choice we have is to do as best we can to achieve the best we can. Your choice empowers the GOP and the 1%, I choose to do something different.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

so 34 Dems vote against it and 9 vote for it, while all 53 Rs vote for it, and yet you don't see a difference? People on here say I insist on everyone falling in line, but what are you doing when you call out the Dems because a small percentage don't vote the way many on here wish they would, you of course tell us nothing of your position since you are a conservative and wish to hide that fact.

I do notice how you gave no position on Keystone itself, just blamed others for not having a clear position.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I don't support combustion energy, its irrelevant and has been outdated for a long time.

The only thing that is keeping it there is Democrats and Republicans sheltering the oil cartel with massive regulation that keeps competition on the outskirts looking in.

I didnt put on an alternative energy conference at USF because Im in love with oil.

What was the vote on harvesting the Atlantic for oil? Let me know when you find that one.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

so you ability to tell a difference letting you down is it?

How do see letting others decide energy policy by not making a choice yourself and thereby affecting the outcome, making things better?

There are a lot of things I don't like in the world, but it doesn't make me blind to the fact that the GOP work night and day to make the rich richer and that makes everything worse.

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

So you think it's just that simple. The oil is already being transported and 9 dems voted for the pipeline. They haven't been banned so the rest don't care in spite of their opposing votes. As if it even works that way to begin with.

Go play.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Ya, in the real world it is that simple.

I would love to work with someone like, just feed you shit all day and apparently you just gobble it up and ask for more.

Besides, whats your name anyways? You have a ton of opinions, are seemingly confident in them, and no name.

[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 2 years ago

"Rupert Harwath III"

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

turbo is an actual con, the rest are idiots