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Forum Post: corporate hag diebold corruption

Posted 4 years ago on March 1, 2016, 10:38 p.m. EST by elf3 (4187)
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The election has been fixed...democracy is dead



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[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

"Bigger Than Watergate - How To Rig An Election In The United States" - (from 12+ years ago but with far more links and information - than can easily be handled by one person on one day, imo!)-

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''Would Anyone Steal An Election?'' with Thom Hartmann:

Re. the Diebold Corp. saga .. past, present & maybe future ... try to closely consider the following links:

fiat lux et fiat justitia ....

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Trump will win in America. The same America you think has been changed and socialized by OWS. What change? Americans don't even like Bernie Sanders. You are living in a dream. America is more right wing than ever before!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

U http://occupywallst.org/users/Thrasymaque/ aka TrashyManque' aka ''cunTboy'' - would really be well advised to stayTF out of my way and for possible insights into real reasons why - see the following link, starting at the first link at the very bottom of this list of old forum posts or should I start excerpting you?

You have nothing of interest or value to say to me or contribute to this forum. You are a rancid disease. Your presence on this forum is that of a pathologically unlikeable fiend, who'll metastasize if allowed to. Yours is the specious, duplicitous, conservative voice of a reactionary enemy of this forum & The 99%!

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Your little heart has been hurt?

[-] -2 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

You have not yet realized the danger conspiracy theory type thinking does to America. When you wake up and see how it degrades thinking, and that good healthy thinking is required for democracy, you will start to understand. You must try to see the light. To correct your evil conspiratardist ways.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

ELECTION THEFT was the subject of elf's forum-post, right?!!! To which I replied and subsequently then added the information above as an addendum - BUT to which you then insinuated yourself spewing your usual irrelevant drivel!! Never fkn mind NORAD going awol OR - presence/absence of evidence for a huge aeroplane at 'The Pentagram' ... ELECTION THEFT ... is the scandalous, on-going CONSPIRACY in the U$A but as ever ... you are totally clueless about such matters, having nothing to add to things of which you care or know nothing of, bar your usual B-S, Conservative, Reactionary CONspiracy Theory Schtik!!!

To say ''America is more right wing than ever before" is to be (wilfully or otherwise) ignorant of the huge following Bernie Sanders has, especially amongst the young OR it is to be a "debbie downer defeatist" OR it is to give voice to your deepest desire & hope!!! In any case you are wrong!! And you're a wanker!

fiat lux et temet nosce!

[-] -3 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

It is surprising that you even care about politics. Considering you believe that the Illuminati and Global Elites have complete control over humanity, that no coincidences ever happen, that all events like 9/11 are carefully planned by the Elite, that the NWO is very real, indeed, why do you care about politics? What difference does it make who gets elected if the planet's power is in the hands of shape shifting reptilian overlords and baby eaters. What happened to Svali?

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

WTF is this TrashyManque'?!!! You are a boor, a boar and a bore!!

Holy Moly Man .. go meltdown in your own time, I'm bored of you!

You only reveal the dark thoughts, that torture your schizoid mind!

Repeating lies will never make them true - no matter what you try!

You're a mental midget ... masquerading as a pseudo-intellectual!

Rather than ridicule & opprobrium,u need Tea & sympathy really!!!

but NOT from me ... ergo - vale!

[-] -3 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

What lie?

Is it not correct that you believe in in 9/11 conspiracy theories held by such intellectual luminaries as Jesse The Body Ventura?

Is it not correct that you believe in the Global Elite, the NWO, the Illuminati, and that these secret groups control the world?

So, I ask you, in all honesty, who cares if Trump or Sanders or Hillary or someone else becomes President if they are just the puppets of the New World Order?

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

"What lie"?! Well, seeing as though you asked - the ''lie'' that is You .. And Everything About YOU!! You ''ask in all honesty'' do you - LOLOLOLOLOL?!!!

It's very interesting that you think that's there's no difference between Trump, HRC and Bernie Sanders!!! Or that you clearly imply that you don't ''care''!! The only NWO I see - is the Nincompoop, Wanker & Oaf that's YOU, TrashyManque'! Nevertheless fyi ...

You're in increasing risk of vanishing up yr own rectum again - ''Dr". Thrasymaque Nutjob Extraordinaire! The best and genuine (unsolicited) advice that I can give you is - volunteer for work with the poor, elderly and maybe even kids with literacy issues. Helping others is the one thing that makes all humans happy.

multum in parvo ...

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Read my texts again, I think there is a HUGE difference between Sanders and Trump (and the others as well). Trump sounds more American, but my hope is that Sanders wins. I like socialized programs like health care, etc...

My point was that for people like you who believe in the NWO, the Illuminati, etc... Whether Sanders or Trump is the puppet makes no difference, because you believe there is an all powerful cabal of the Elite pulling all the strings in the background.

Are you now claiming that you don't believe in the Global Elite???

[-] 3 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

The 'Global Elite' meet and plan for the New World Order in the resort town of Davos, Switzerland.

Does it happen year in and year out? Yes! Is it a secret cabal? Hmm, I wonder if you have been invited because of your 'intellectual powerhouse' status (from Princeton [I thought that we won the Revolutionary War for Independence, didn't we]?) or are you just as ignorant as any one of us, members of the 'suckers' ignorati? What was the agenda this time?

[+] -4 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Ask shadz, he's the site's resident conspiratard. He'll tell you about chemtrails, how vaccinations cause autism, how 9/11 was a planned demolition, how reptilian overlords who came from planet reticuli control us from within the hollow earth. Renneye is the expert on Svali and the Manchurian Candidate - Anything about mind control, you ask her.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Loosen up about truth if you want to grapple with reality because the only absolute truth is in the theorems of mathematics. Einstein had, "So far as the theorems of mathematics are about reality, they are not certain; so far as they are certain, they are not about reality."

It is actually even worse than Einstein thought because reality is a product of the mind so it is inherently subjective. Reaching for the impossible destination of objective reality results in the dissolution of reality into subjectivity (becoming context-dependent). Imparting enlightenment is like shining sufficient light so that people may see but seeing is far MORE than having sufficient light. We have had high-resolution cameras for many years but Google's driverless car could not "see" that the bus would not yield and got into an accident.

We still have no aerial drone that can perform what a common housefly could when we tried to swat it. The fly could "see" danger and escape to land on the ceiling!

[-] -2 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Oh I agree, I don't think we ever really know truth. But, we should strive to get as close as possible to it, and that means using the right tools for it.

Conspiratards will tell you we can't know truth, so might as well stop caring and make up fantasy.

I disagree with that. We wouldn't have planes flying, modern medical care saving lives and making people live longer, etc... if it weren't for science and the search for truth.

Religious people and conspiratards are not the ones improving our lives. Scientists are.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

All you have to do to dispel conspiracy hypotheses is to convince people of the supreme law of modern science - the probable tends to happen. It's the basis of Occam's razor as well as "Keep it simple and stupid." However, it's indeed BEYOND stupid to make things simpler than the possible as Einstein seemed to imply. Maybe that's how 'suckers' are born every minute as P.T. Barnum used to say.

Not to disparage him of the circus fame, I love the story of the altruistic Jumbo and the oysters of Dumbo!

Dumbo is a district of Brooklyn, downstream of the treatment facility on the East River.

[-] -3 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

You can't convince conspiratards like shadz of anything. They don't care about what is true or genuine, they just care about fantasy.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Here's a conspiracy hypothesis for you to explain why it is too "far out" to be true: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/investigation_of_fbi_agents_in.html

It's not really 'science and the search for truth improving our lives.' It is the better purpose. Don't worship the means forgetting about the ends. Scientists without a moral purpose committed some of the most atrocious crimes against humanity. Moral purpose without science may well be crippled but pursuing science without a moral purpose may be horrendously evil!

I'd much prefer a moral cripple better than a Japanese Imperial Army Unit 731 scientist taking a chainsaw to the 'logs.' Look up the gruesome images. Shielded Japanese children wondered whether it was the U.S. or Japan that had won the war between the two countries!

Japan edited history textbooks to shield their children with ignorance. I guess it is Japanese political correctness at work! Our politicians are very good at this duplicitous business of shielding low-information people from discovering their corruptions, too.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Mendacity and manipulation & a mean mind - are the true stock in trade of your work!!!

You really have no ''point'' - before, now & later!! Other than that of the ''agon'' of course!

verum ex absurdo ...

[+] -4 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

My point is clear. We need an intelligent populace for democracy to flourish, and your conspiracy theories are dumbing down America. You should be ashamed of yourself. You should promote clear, rational, and scientific think instead of your conspiracraps.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

You're just a one trick phoney with sweet fk all to say or add about anything of substance - bar just spewing the same shit schtick!!! You'll metastasize as surely as we here will cut you back to size!! You're a narcissistic pseud, with no ''point''! Try this for size ... IF it's not too CONspiratorial for you:

fiat lux et temet nosce ...

[-] -2 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

An intelligent populace is crucial for democracy. It's a shame you don't understand that. Point 1 and very important. Point 2 - A bridge to the ground - connect internet forum activity with boots on the ground. So important. Point 3 - OWS is dead. Let's accept that fact and move on to something better. If we fail to accept it, then we are stuck in the past, stuck in an unchanging world.

There you go - 3 crucial points of importance.

If you disagree, dare to bring arguments to the forefront, instead of your usual ad hominem slime.

[-] -3 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

One trick pony... But what a trick, what a trick!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

OWS is NOT ''dead" but is still the amorphous entity that it was; still is & continues to be - as it seeds, merges & helps drive the #JourneyWithBernie!!! And you're a ''One Trick Phoney'' - even, lolol!! Educate; Agitate; Organize - but what statements of the obvious you want to use to say the same are up to you!! All the specious double-speak that you can try to muster - Will Never Hide who and what you really are:

fiat lux ...

[-] -2 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Call it what you will, but OWS is not doing much these days. If you claim it is alive and well, the only people you hurt is those who actually cared about what OWS was about. The first thing to do in order to ameliorate the situation is to acknowledge it. That is always hard for you, since you live in a fantasy conspiracy theorist world where reality is something you run from.

I agree with educate, agitate, organize, but which of those are being done by OWS. Do you see OWS educating, agitating, and organizing? What's the last thing they organized?

You gotta keep it real. Gotta be honest with yourself and the rest of the OWS homies.

[-] -3 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

My belief is simple.

1) Push for an educated populace. Scientific based thinking. Rational thought. Eliminate conspiratardism in America, thinking based on logical fallacies, religious thought, etc...

2) With this newly acquired scientifically literate populace, push socialized policies. Health care and education for all, etc... The Sanders type platforms.

The problem is OWS and other leftists went directly with step 2, before pushing to educate the populace.

A good healthy functioning democracy depends on a literate and educated populace.

How can OWS succeed when people like you and Renneye talk about things like Svali, the mind controlled victim of the Illuminati? Shape shifting lizards, and other such nonsense? Are you the Manchurian candidate?

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

IF you think ''OWS is not doing much these days'' .. then you confirm that you are the clueless fuck; Concern Troll & 99%-Enemy - many of us on this forum already know you to be. IF however, you are actually interested in further evidence of just how wrong you really are ... then do read this and weep:

For you to try to use the word ''honest'' when so many of your comments here drip with mendacity and hypocrisy is an insight into your autism, narcissism &, psychopathology!!! You hate the idea of OWS!! As you said, when I called you A One Trick Phoney - "One trick pony... But what a trick, what a trick!"

anguis in herba - temet nosce!

[+] -4 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Fantasy boy, can you tell use what OWS is doing? I don't see any activities, except for the 'End of Protest' book for Mr. White. You should start living in the real world, instead of dreaming up conspiracy theory fantasies like the towers going down by planned demolition, OWS being ragingly active in 2016 (It's not even moderately active), etc...

I want OWS to be active, that's why I was calling for a Bridge to the Ground. Unfortunately, it's not. The faster you get that around your fantasy head, the faster we can start making it active again.

You remind me of those who Deny Climate change. Just don't want to accept reality if it goes against their ideology.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Your conservative and fundamentally reactionary mind just can NOT compute the place and roll of OWS within a continuum and spectrum & your limited perspective fixates on OWS, as a discrete, end in itself as opposed to the means to an end that it is. Had you not been the shit-spewing li'l pseud, that you are, you'd have realised that that about which your latest brainfart was, was obviated by my link to you! Here shit4brainz, let's try again & then we will see IF your alleged ''High [Bell]End [Pseudo]Intellect'' can pose an intelligent question OR if you will simply resort to your standard and mendacious shtick once again...

ad iudicium ...

[-] -3 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Do the word dance, conspiracy theorist style. No content, just ad hominem.

Meanwhile, you can't give a single example of current OWS activity.

Living in fantasy!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Happy St.Pat's - you pathetic, clueless fuckwit!!! Empty vessels like you - will always make the most noise as you exude malodorous brainfarts!! Read the excellent link above and then the following, then catch a plane and come on over the water but not to Bali, lol ... and help Occupy Dame Street again!

Lá Fhéile Pádraig Shona!

[-] -2 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

That's Ireland prosecuting a banker, not an OWS activity.

If you want to show us that OWS is still alive, show us an OWS activity. Something planned by occupiers.

You cannot do that, because OWS is dead as a movement.

[-] 3 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Why are you so fixated on the life or death of OWS? Billions of people still believe in Jesus Christ and billions more in Prophet Muhammad. People are still being blown up, shredded into pieces, etc. every single day because of these beliefs. Are the bloody messes real enough for you? I say that insofar as their ideas' effects are still with us, Jesus Christ and Prophet Muhammad still live.

OWS is similar because it is an idea. Its initial physical approach may have been quashed but it doesn't have to "die." If you view it as a slime mold, you will see that both its life and death are much exaggerated. From quantum physics, once two entities have interacted, the imprint of their interaction linger. Both objective reality and strict causality only exist in the macroscopic limits.

[-] -2 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

I'm not obsessed with the life and death of OWS, it's just that when people refuse reality, it's impossible to move on to better things, to other projects, etc... Shadz is like a guy who just got dumped, but refuses to believe that his ex does not love him anymore.

Also, we should not confuse every socialist movement with OWS. This is what Shadz does. He thinks socialism did not exist prior to OWS. So, when he sees Sanders, he screams OWS. Sorry, but Sanders existed long before OWS. This is exactly why I like him so much. He persevered for a very long time with his socialist ideas.

And, please note, I never said the ideas behind OWS are no longer with us. I said OWS is dead as a protest movement. There are no tents, no one marching in the streets, etc... Its important to accept that, to be aware of it. It has a certain meaning. People like Micah White understand this, so they are able to move on and propose new tactics, a new playbook etc... People like shadz are stuck in the past. He will only follow, and jump on the next bandwagon when it finally dawns on him that OWS is no more.

Remember that shadz lives in fantasy. For him the towers were exploded purposefully by explosives, there was no plane at the Pentagon, chemtrails exist, vaccinations are bad, OWS still has tents and people marching, and the governments are controlled by the New World Order or the Illuminati, and some kind of reptilian overlord shape-shifters living inside of earth.

How can you trust someone who readily believes in aliens inside of earth?

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Are you "insane" by being here since you agree that "sane" people have moved on? Another thing to note: I can date you by the mutation of "effect changes" to "affect the change." You didn't have a privileged education in your formative years. It was a mutation that had started in public schools.

Have you dated me by my tri-city yet?

Why would I even have an "ex"? Love is in the mind, isn't it? Jesus is wherever two or more gather in His Name!

Here's something blasé from what I had heard (that applies especially well to free Wall Street research materials) that resonated with me: the crazy people make the movies and the stupid people watch the movies. I reckon that I am both crazy and stupid by being here.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Tents and people marching in the streets did not effect the changes we want so being sane (according to Einstein's definition of insanity), people moved on. The idea is still there as long as the people still remember.

I lived through much of the Cold War. It's gone, over, and done with, but I can still remember vividly turning myself upside down in a somersault in my bed because even as a child, I could feel the tensions, the horrors, and the count-downs. I am not the same person anymore because my experiences have changed me. Is the Cold War 'dead'? Not by a long shot in my psyche but it has just never existed for some young ones. It's still only 25 minutes to the end of all that I know, for a reason that I may never know, done by a person whom I never knew nor would, from a place that I may never visit so WTF? - on this, I am from 'the Mo.' I accept unconditional surrender, too! There are still those ICBMs pointing at most of us and we still have the nuts, nuts, nuts leading us. Some of them are even missing a few of their nuts.

      Tritium Kaffee,  by grapes of wrath,  (C) March, 2016
 Date me in the fears in my eyes, 
 Date me in the cloud in the sky, 
 Date me in the mushroom that I ate, 
 Date me in the tritium if I'm late.

Can we trust someone who swears to uphold the Constitution and invoke the help of God? Most have changed their positions after occupying their office. Around the day the U.S.S. Cole was bombed in Aden, mega-Wiener had said that he would like to leave the Middle East alone. It didn't happen. Where is God? Is He alive or is He dead?

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

If you think your relationship with your ex is still alive and thriving just because you remember it, then fine, OWS is still alive and thriving...

Not sure why you would want that though. Judging from your first paragraph where you tell us OWS did not affect the change people wanted, so sane people moved on...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

I believe in Burmese pythons, snakehead fish, Asian carps, Asian long-horn beetles, Asian ashborer beetles, West Nile, Zika, Chikungunya, and Dengue viruses. There are enough aliens outside that are real.

Invasive trade goods or economic species must be eradicated with the same zeal as applied to invasive ecological species. Otherwise, aloha, we'll have to eat Mediterranean fruitflies and seek "treatments" from SNAP, Medicaid, and Obamacare.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

You've declared ''OWS dead'' since late 2011! LOL!! Not a fkn thing you say can ever be considered as anything other as coming from an anti-OWS, anti-99% slimeboy!!! To repeat my previous but one reply immediately above at your deeply disingenuous ass, again

consider .. ''Your conservative and fundamentally reactionary mind just can NOT compute the place and roll of OWS within a continuum and spectrum & your limited perspective fixates on OWS, as a discrete, end in itself as opposed to the means to an end that it is.''

Now here's a bunch of information corroborating what I say:

Rest assured slimer, tho' I won't contribute to your horse-shit forum-posts, any and all responses to me by your slimey self, will be responded to in similar fashion with more information about and for The 99%.

anguis in herba - temet nosce!

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Yet again, the simple mind of a conspiracy theorist is shown with its lack of colours and depth. The mind of a simpleton who confuses sharing a fact - OWS is dead - with sharing a political statement - being for or against OWS.

My dear simpleton, I am not the first to say OWS is dead. The founders say it themselves. No one is rejoicing in this;. We are hoping for new ways, new tactics. This is why there is a new playbook - End of Protest by Micah White. I'm betting you haven't even read it.

You are stuck in the past my simple minded friend. Time to move on, instead of pretending that OWS is still engaged in organizing activities.

The evidence is you cannot even give one link to an occupy activity, protest march, etc... It's 2016. Occupy Wall Street died a very long time ago dear lad.


[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

The term - ''Conspiracy Theory'' is used by people like u, the slimer, to stifle and shut down any and all debate, as anything outside Corporate MSM Propaganda bubble of Govts/TPTB is deemed illegitimate!

Your conservative and fundamentally reactionary mind just can NOT compute the place and roll of OWS within a continuum and spectrum & your limited perspective fixates on OWS, as a discrete, end in itself as opposed to the means to an end that it is. You can't face never mind, respond to this very deep truth.

Fk you slimer & fk The Short Attention Span, Goldman Sachs platform sharing and Google Corporation co-opted ''founders''.OWS and The 99% Movement have many more ''founders'' than egoic, reactionaries.

My links above make my points in depth and with clarity and save me wasting time on your reactionary, lonely ass, as playing with my lovely nephew now .. is much more rewarding. Couple of interesting links are embedded here for you tho' ...

vale anguis - tempus fugit ...

EDIT: NO one on these boards wants to talk about 9/!! more than u, slimer ... but IF you think that steel and reinforced concrete structures .. can collapse symmetrically into their own footprints with blown out basement levels after burning for approximately an hour (WTC1and2), or with no visible reasons (WTC7), then you don't know any Civil Engineers or the first fuckin' thing about frames & structures. Architects & Engineers have a good idea tho' - http://www.ae911truth.org/ .We know how you will bleat for TPTB tho', ergo bleat about this http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44477.htm but see if u can face the content and evidence ... without resorting to your standard shtick!!! Viva Occupiers because they are the ones making the grassroots changes in U$A - changes that you'll always oppose & fear!! #FeelTheBern!

et veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] -2 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

I use the term in the correct way, for what it means. It's a type of narrative which is opposed in concept and structure to narratives based on the scientific method or properly scholarly thought.

You believe that the towers were demolished purposefully by explosives do you not? That is a conspiracy theory. It is a narrative based on logical fallacies, no evidence, etc... You believe in such narratives, so, you are indeed a conspiracy theorist. A mad man of fantasy who believes in fantastical stories of all evil vs all good, of sects, underground puppet masters, the NWO, chemtrails, Svali, an hollow earth inhabited by reptilian overlords, etc...

Your links above are not OWS activities, they are about Sanders. It shows a lot that you cannot tell the difference.

[-] 3 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

After super Tues', Bernie has 405 delgates against the Hag's 595. Trailing but not too far behind. From the numbers, with both needing a couple thousand more delegates to win, the nomination on the D side is still very much up for grabs. The next couple months will be interesting. Maybe Bernie can pull it off afterall??? Now that would be a "stick it to ya" to the Establishment.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

But . . . . HEYYYYYYYYY . . . do not 4get t super delegates . . . cause that gives HRC 1/2 of what she needs . . . SO . . . fuck democracy and all hail demock-ary.................

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

Yes of course, how silly of me.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 years ago

Work now. Complain later.

Make calls for Bernie Sanders. All instructions are here:


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Question HRC's integrity on-line.

Example = tweet

@HillaryClinton @SenSanders Saudi Arabia had given the Clinton Foundation at least $10 million. http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=zqNk7pvjDdGmzcDwmuqzXUV821Sdt295


@HillaryClinton @SenSanders BTW HRC - if Saudi Arabia was all that into human rights? They would likely extend some to their own women. https://twitter.com/DKAtoday/status/705205272361484289

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

The exact relationship of Saudi Arabia with the U.S. is a highly sensitive topic - do bear that in mind.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Not gonna come back with your nonsense LSD influenced BS ? I mean - you do a lot of BS comments - so - I was wondering where your BS comment was. This stuff is not tabloid BS topic material - so - will you rationally contribute? or just blow it off?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Saudi Arabia is the most important ally of the U.S. in the most troubled region in the world.

It is not just fossil fuel. It is also the U.S. dollar. It is also the U.S. economy. It is also our livelihoods. It is also Islam. It is also Yemen. It is also al-Qaeda. It is also 9/11. It is also Afghanistan. It is also Pakistan. It is also nuclear weapons. It is also India. It is also Iraq. It is also Iran. It is also Bahrain. It is also Lebanon. It is also Israel. It is also U.S. Congress. It is also Egypt. It is also Syria. It is also Russia.

It is also IS. It is also al-Nusra. It is also Turkey. It is also the Kurds. It is also Qatar. It is also United Arab Emirates. It is also NATO. It is also EU. It is also Sudan. It is also Gaza City and the West Bank. It is also Somalia and al-Shabaab. It is also Kenya. It is also WW4.

Don't you think we should wade carefully through this Kryptonite-infested cesspool? It is well beyond D, R, or whatever! Innocents' interests trump corruption.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Saudi Arabia is one of the most perfidious, scheming, belligerent regimes on the planet! It has stuck the ancestral family name on an entire ancient country and tried to usurp it, the ''Arab Body Politic'' and, the wider ''Muslim World''!! SA is an insidious, ultra-conservative & deeply reactionary force, which has been glued at the hip to the U$A (where its Petrodollar$ are a long term but hidden/unspoken economic force) for the greater part of a 100years!!! Also fyi ...

fiat justitia ruat caelum ....

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

{edit} No shit Sherlock - just because she claims a D behind her name in the political registry - does not mean that she is a good person - that would be a mistake for anyone to make concerning claimed party affiliations!

LOOK - the GOP is transparently against the average citizen (except apparently not to the average citizen in those states - funny/sad that).

But - just because someone claims to be a dem - does not make them a good or honest individual!

There is a cater to wealthy element in the dem party - and HRC is obviously one of em.

So let us be honest and show the inconsistencies of actions - actions at home and donations from abroad - to highlight possible motives.

To this point in time Saudi Arabia has been important to the USA due to Fossil Fuel resources. In this current day - fossil fuel resources should not be holding anyone captive as there are viable alternatives.

EDIT -> The Saudi's donations to the Clinton's foundation stand out as blatant influence purchasing - especially considering their own human rights stances at home! And this is the truth that needs pointing out to the USA public at large!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Saudi Arabia suffers from cultural whiplash but it is being worked on, though regrettably slowly. Much of the Islamic world gets its identity boost from derogatory attitudes about the beer-drinking, overly sexed, cultural invasion of the 'decadent' West, even in countries rescued or propped up from chaos by the West.

I'd much prefer our enforcing our own law against the email/server abuse than ruining our relationship with Saudi Arabia. HRC et al act as if they are above our laws, even having survived unscathed through impeachment proceedings so a secrecy train wreck will be coming should HRC et al gain control of the executive branch and very likely the judicial branch, too.

Once our allies no longer trust us, HRC's Presidency will be effectively over for foreign policies, as if that hasn't happened already.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Obama's Justice Department Just Gave Bryan Pagliano Immunity and Bernie Sanders the Presidency ? Game over 4 HRC? Will make next few weeks very interesting! Will super delegates jump?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Democracy is the sum of this series: 1-1+1-1+1-1+1...

Isn't it 1/2 according to the summation formula for geometric series? It's not dead yet.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Has anyone taken the time to notice how red super Tuesday is? Of course HRC did very well = she is more conservative (GOP) than she is dem. But the pundits for corp(se)oRAT TV/media don't even talk about that.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

Yup. Pretty clever eh?

Gotta love Democrats.. http://time.com/4234474/super-tuesday-history/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Not clever. It is what they (corp(se)oRAT media) do. Propaganda to support the establishment of the wealthy.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

I agree. So lets stop supporting them.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

I don't support corp(se)oRAT media.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

Great. Now stop supporting their parties :)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

I never have!

That's just you telling lies.

I generally share the following with the DNC and their members:

To: democraticparty@democrats.org

Can I Give???

Give me a reason to!

Where the hell are you on Bernie's campaign agenda for the people?

Where the hell are you on Elizabeth Warrens agenda?

Where the hell are you on Move To Amend?

Where the hell are you on One Subject At A Time Legislation?

Where the hell are you on forwarding a minimum LIVING WAGE ???

Where the hell are you on ending subsidies to Fossil Fuel?

Where the hell are you on ANYTHING that is vital for the health of the public nation wide?

Where the hell are you on ANYTHING that is vital for the health of the environment nation wide/world wide?

Where the hell are you on global warming and rebuilding our energy infrastructure to be clean?


It is just not enough that you are not a member of the anti-environment anti-people homicidal GOP - you have to be visibly and outspokenly working for The People RIGHT NOW !!!

Earn the support that you want to get into office and to stay in office.

People are not giving to the DNC because the DNC is cater to the wealthy establishment politics and the people ARE SICK OF IT !!! This is also why HRC will not get the support of people who support Bernie if he does not get the DNC nomination.


[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

We'll see how many of the DNC minions you vote for.

You can write all the bitchy letters you want. If you vote, its who you endorse that matters in the end.

We'll see how much you are willing to tolerate I guess.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

I also share those "bitchy" letters out on social media.

Some people like them a lot and retweet them. This means that - YES - some people are taking notice and are sharing out their findings to others.

You "do" realize that getting people talking "does" spread awareness - RIGHT ?

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

I agree 100%. I kinda do that for a living :)

That being said, like I said, you can share, write, etc till you are blue in the face.

Its all about the personal endorsement in November. Do you ask for more abuse, or do you really set a path forward with something new.

I wish as much as the next that these two fuckin shitshow parties didnt have a lock on our nation, that they hadnt rigged the system against any competition, etc.

But they have.

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

The key to unlocking the doors to competition is to have a well educated, rational thinking populace.

As long as America remains the land of conspiratards, new-agers, rednecks, etc... the voting populace will never push and demand for intelligent political solutions.

A rational thinking populace is the most important part of a strong democracy.

The result of an unthinking population? A population made up of dolts - i.e. doltism? Simple - A guy like Trump will get elected. A guy like Bernie will lose.