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Forum Post: Bernie In Trouble, Machine Gearing Up Against Trump

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 28, 2016, 12:16 p.m. EST by turbocharger (1756)
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(que circus music)...

So as most of us figured, the DNC is gearing up behind Clinton and the infrastructure the DNC has in place (a slight perk of 100 years of power) is proving to be unstoppable. Its pretty hard to beat someone at their own game when they can simply change the rules and no one lifts an eyebrow.

On the other side #NeverTrump is kicking into full gear. Most of us figured this as well. Similar to the Bernie crowd on the left, the Trump spectacle has bee great for getting a disenfranchised public to become re-interested in our beyond corrupted and impossible to save duopoly.

Rubio is basically playing the insult game at this point, and Cruz is openly calling him a mob guy. The shitshow is in full swing at this point. Welcome to the circus.

Mitch McConnel basically floated the idea of not endorsing Trump and focusing on the Senate races, which would assure us a Hillary victory. Which should show how comfortable the RNC is with Clinton (despite what their talking points are for the divide and conquer racket).

Super Tuesday will basically be the final nail in the coffin for the Bernie campaign, as a whirlwind of delegates are awarded and no person could possibly keep track of it all as a watchdog. Probably the main reason its set up like this.

The DNC VC quit and endorses Bernie. Lets see if she can pull a Trump card and make it impossible for the press to ignore her as she gets her word out. Don't hold your breathe.

Trump remains a wildcard, as it's been leaked that the Koch brothers are dumping 75 million against trump with another 25 million towards Rubio. This is the type of nonsense that is fueling his campaign to begin with, but it could finally prove to simply be too much to compete with.

American's want to continue to put the same two corrupted parties into power for decades on end, with no desire to organize anything themselves. Begging for savior from the very people who are screwing them.

This is what you get.

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[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Tuesday is going to be a make it or break moment for the machine.

If Trump and Bernie clean house, they are in deep, deep shit.

If either of them cleans house, its tough but not impossible. Bernie doesnt win one of those states its game over. Trump doesnt take Florida it gets a lot tougher but not impossible.

They don;t want to deal with Bernie because he speaks the truth on the oligarchy. They dont want to deal with Trump because he is quite frankly a freaking lunatic. You cant control crazy lol.

Tuesday will be an interesting set of results regardless of the outcome.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

There'll be no ''begging for savior'' from Americans! Nope, because that would take a modicum of self awareness above and beyond the level of .. Turkeys Voting For Thanksgiving!! ''This is what you get'', AFTER 6 decades and 3 generations of: heavy propaganda; Corporate MSM mind-management and frankly - mis-education yet .. a fatuous, nurtured belief in somehow living in a paragon of democracy!

Combine all the above with a deeply self-righteous and self-absorbed hubris and a belief in - ''US Exceptionalism'' & ''Manifest Destiny'' - and we have a near perfect mix for the dissolution of The Republic & any and all semblance of a ''Democracy''. For a 45 year old root of this, perhaps see:

fiat lux ....

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Think Local; Act Global'' still resonates for those who aspire to a Political Revolution in The U$A & The Only Movement that's in the offing is behind Bernie!!! This has sweet fuck all to do with The Democraps tho'!! An OWS powered grass roots insurgent campaign has now effectively put the US in a Three Party Race, imo! In all sincerity - you really need to read this ...

From which I briefly excerpt - “We had an uprising in Wisconsin, where the governor was going after the unions. We had Occupy Wall Street, which took the temperature of the country and showed enormous discontent. It had incredible social acceptance for a time. People got the fact that they were part of the 99%.”

And “Occupy got shut down, but it simmered. And now here comes Bernie Sanders, the right man with the right message. This is Bernie’s moment, but it’s not just Bernie’s movement. He’s a moment in the movement, and he knows that''

And finally - “A lot of the people who got attracted to the campaign had experience with movements like Occupy or #FightFor15. All these movements have been fuelled by digital tactics. And now that people know what the routine is, they’re like, oh, I’m going to start a page for my neighbourhood, city or constituency.The Sanders team didn’t build it the Sanders team can’t dismantle it.” Trouble for The 1%?

solidarity ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

"He's a moment in the movement, and he knows that."

That is so well put! re: Bernie Sanders' place in the revolution that we are having and have been having (revolutions take a while, as you know). He knows full well that the movement is bigger than he is. It's about watering the seeds that have been planted and never giving up!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

The man of the moment embedded in, and for now leading - a Much Wider Movement!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Bernie has won 12 primaries and caucuses at this point, 3/23/16. Imagine that? A Democratic Socialist actually winning states in the United States of America! The jig is up. The party is over for the 1% and their Wall Street and corporate cronies.

And, Bernie, win or lose in the end, continues to awaken the masses. I'm grateful to him.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Once a lifetime comes a man

Exuding love - bringing a plan

Next time it may be a lady

But NOT one called Hillary

So of Bernie - Yes I am a fan!

''And, Bernie, win or lose in the end, continues to awaken the masses. I'm grateful to him.'' Ditto x 10!

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Gratitude to Bernie Sanders, no matter what happens. The 99% are awake and the movement will continue on despite establishment politics, economics and media.

I still think Occupy had it right by staying outside the system and that Bernie should now follow suit and go third party. I think he'd beat Clinton and Trump handily. I also think the people deserve an alternative to those two clowns.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 1 year ago

"I think he'd beat Clinton and Trump handily". I agree. The American public as a whole trusts Sanders far more than the other two. Stick around, Bernie!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Jill Stein. That's who true progressives are going to have to vote for.

Bernie would have beaten Trump and Clinton. Such a shame. Ho hum.

And, very nice to hear from you, Tiouaise. Been a long time. I hope all is well. Keep posting. We need people here.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 1 year ago

Yes, bw, it has been a long time indeed. Just got a heart-warming PM from our Prince of the Latin quote. Am currently reading a book by Jules Archer that we all need to study at this juncture, "The Plot To Seize the White House : The Shocking True Story of the Conspiracy to Overthrow F.D.R." , Skyhorse Publishing, 2007, 2015.

It was a corporate-sponsored conspiracy to install a Fascist dictator in 1934, it was fully investigated, Big Money was found to be behind it but nobody was ever prosecuted. They were simply "too rich and too powerful" even for FDR's Department of Justice to go after them. And the first book to tell the story was published only in 2007!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Hillary Clinton claims that one of the first things she will do is introduce an amendment to end Citizens United. Hmm. Why do I feel suspicious of that, lol?

And, the Business Plot to overthrow FDR, well, maybe they didn't succeed in an immediate coup but they certainly did succeed in overthrowing his policies over the following decades bringing us to the debacle that we are in today.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 1 year ago

In a sense, they DID succeed. They got away with a crime of high treason. These people were so powerful that they had infiltrated the Democratic Party itself and the White House. And there is evidence that the plotters were still at work in 1936. The truly pathetic outcome of that 1934 showdown - not a SINGLE prosecution - proved that big corporations ARE in fact the government, a shadow Fascist dictatorship that is showing more and more its true, Trump-like face.. What need would they have of staging a coup d'Etat? THEY are in fact in power and the Surveillance State has made that power virtually absolute.

But the present situation - the debacle that you refer to - has grown so extreme that it actually gives me hope. When a former president declares as did Jimmy Carter a couple of years ago, that "America is no longer a democracy", I think its a sign that change will come in some form or other. Things may get a lot worse before they get better, but the wisdom and decency of the American people will prevail in the end against the insanity of Big Money.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 1 year ago

P.S. I just found confirmation of the date 1936 in this article by Richard Sanders: http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html

"Although Butler's patriotic efforts did thwart this fascist coup plot, the Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders who sponsored it continued to conspire behind the scenes to rid America of FDR and to smash his “New Deal.” Evidence of continued efforts by powerful U.S. fascists to regain control of the White House is illustrated by a 1936 statement by William Dodd, THE U.S. AMBASSADOR TO GERMANY. In a letter to Roosevelt, he stated:

“A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime....

A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there.

Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions.”

Dr. Dodd was, by the way, an academic historian from the University of Chicago. In a January 7, 1938 interview, he issued a stern warning: "Fascism is on the march today in America. Millionaires are marching to the tune. It will come in this country unless a strong defense is set up by all liberal and progressive forces. …" Replace "millionaires" with "billionaires" and that warning still applies today.

The outbreak of World War II apparently had no effect whatsoever on Big Money: ""In 1940, Professor Gaetano Savemini of Harvard was quoted as saying that 100 percent of American big business was sympathetic to fascism." (Glen Yeadon, The Nazi Hydra in America: Suppressed History of a Century : Wall Street and the Rise of the Fourth Reich, p.90)

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Socialism without capitalism is communism. Capitalism without socialism is fascism. The latter is what they are going for.

Removing all of the social programs and checks and balances on capitalism has been in the works for decades as you show above. We better wake up before it's too late.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 1 year ago

That guy who said "Woe unto the rich!"… I think he was onto something. (Lk 8:26). And so was the one who wrote: "The love of money is the root of all evil" (1 Tim 6:10). Funny how the Christian Right conveniently chooses to ignore this kind of teaching.

For decades we have been misled and lied to by hypocrites, including the worst kind of them all, RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITES. And so I agree, beautiful world: it's time to WAKE UP, people! "Seul le partage sauvera le monde": at this critical juncture in human history, "only sharing can save the world".

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Funny isn't it that the DNC was trying to use Bernie Sanders' possible atheism against him as shown in the wikileaks emails? As if his followers would have cared!

Maybe we need a little less religion and only more of it if they will bother to follow the teachings properly.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

The money is not the root of all evil. What the rich does with it can be really evil, especially those who use money for accumulating more money (love of money) by rigging the political system, without any worthy humanistic end in mind.

"Seul l'amour sauvera le monde" - only love can save the world.

"Paint your palette blue and gray," for the cruel war come what may.

"Catch the breeze and winter chills, In colors on the snowy linen land"

 Die schöne Sterne funkeln hell,
 Die Bäume sind ohne Blätter, 
 Der Wind schüttelt den kleinen Vogel
 vor der Kälte des Winters.

"The ragged men in ragged clothes, The silver thorn of bloody rose, Lie crushed and broken in the virgin snow"

慈母手中线, 儿子尸上衣

[-] 2 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

Welcome back! Just in time for Mr. Goldfinger's touch.

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 1 year ago

I'm sorry to burst your bubble pretty lady, but your political analysis seems a little off. I'm glad Bernie Sanders is doing great, very good news for America, indeed, but to think this means the jig is up for the 1%, the party is over for Wall Street and corporate cronies... Man, that is being too simple. Decades of capitalism ended by one man, Mr. Sanders? I think not. The guy is great, smart, etc... but ending the 1% rule and capitalism will take more than 1 guy.

I don't think you should let your guard down just yet.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Bernie, win or lose in the end, continues to awaken the masses'' - was how bw ended her reply to me so how exactly .. has that generated your latest statement of the blindingly obvious ... ''ending the 1% rule and capitalism will take more than 1 guy''?! Of course - we both know the answer to that, don't we, even if others don't?!! Because the very thought that, ''the jig is up for the 1%, the party is over for Wall Street and corporate cronies'', is anathema to you .. you reactionary twat!!! Now see if you can extract your empty head from your fat ass for long enough to realize; Bernie = OWS 2.0 & to note these links:

What Occupiers and 99% advocates must not do, is let their ''guard down'' re. the insidious likes of u!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 1 year ago

Read what she wrote just before - "The jig is up. The party is over for the 1% and their Wall Street and corporate cronies."

You agree with her assessment? Fine. Then we can agree to disagree. I think Wall Street cronies and the 1% are not so easily taken down. Their party is going to keep going for quite a long time. Look at Canada, much more socialist than US, we have social health care, we have cheap schooling, some places free, and still, the 1% and the like keep existing. They do lots of corruption, etc...

Learn to read buddy boy. Learn to read.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

We have NEVER done anything other than ''disagree'', so ok .. we will paradoxically agree to disagree, cunTboy!!! Your pedantry over bw's totally acceptable rhetoric ... is testament of your having fuck all to really say, let alone answer her or my points above,numpty!! Now thank the fact that I came back here to edit a previous reply, as u get a quicker reply than you deserve & go read the following now mthrfkr, as u and your ilk breathe large sighs of relief that your ''party is going to keep going'' a li'l while longer!

vale anguis!

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 1 year ago

Her rhetoric is acceptable, everyone can have an opinion, but anyone thinking one man will destroy the 1% and Wall Street are wrong and have simply no idea of the power of the 1% and their corruptions. Her rhetoric is acceptable, but extremely naive and simply wrong.

Perhaps she read too much garbage like you did.

You don't need to give me a link to Sanders. I like the guy. He's great. But, I'm no fool to think that are fight is over now, the 1% jig is over, and the Wall Street party is ended because of this one guy.

Certainly, you want that fantasy. You buy into it. Just like you buy into so many other fantasies.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Your incessant fatuous, feeble, fuckwittery - just won't wash here .. you simple minded nincompoop! WhoTF said that ''the fight was over now'' .. you ''fool''?!! Keep engaging with your faux-facts; illogical-auto-fellatio - Richard!!! OR, you could watch this and try to make some (probably unlikely) progress:

Finally ... wtf is this: http://occupywallst.org/forum/have-occupiers-simplified-the-intellectual-game/ ?! STOP writing me ''billets doux'' .. u creepy nutjob! Although you may bat for both Arthur and Martha's teams .. I'm strictly a breeder! And Very Much Spoken For - u fixated loony-tune, lady-boy, fruit-loop!

multum in parvo et temet nosce ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Phone bank for Bernie. Work now, complain later. Instructions here:

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/content/phonebank

He can win this. He's already come from very far behind to win 5 states and tie 2. Don't listen to MSM or let the fears of what the DNC might or might not do get in the way. If we all work together Bernie can be the next President of the United States.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

Alien cow pie in the sky is not a piñata. We've entered the Twilight Zone.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

I say we treat it like a pinata regardless :)

We might use that as our intro.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

Okay, let's plow the field and plant a few seeds before hitting the piñata.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 1 year ago

Word on the grape vine is that Bernie wasn't campaigning all that hard in S. Carolina; looks like he really is playing sheep dog....Unfortunately for him, so many people started voting for him, 'cause the Hag is so bad, he needs to stop campaiging to stop getting so many votes..

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

At some point the people HAVE to realize that they have to organize things on their own, that these two companies that dominate our political system are the problem not the solution.

It usually takes a leader to start charge. If not Bernie, who else that is out there can lead that?

[-] 4 points by Shule (2638) 1 year ago

So true. I think Bernie is out to lead us astray. but though I'm but just one grain of sand, I will vote for him in the primaries just to help muck up the establishment machine. Just like I might vote for Trump just to help muck up the machine.

That all aside, as you say, we all do need to realize, party politics here in the states is fine to dable in for entertainment, but for serious change, it up to us to figure out something else.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

We cannot really be sure whether Sanders had the intention to lead us astray. Nor am I sure that the GOOP Pump had the intention of leading our country astray but he may really need some good Cabinet advisors. Both of them succeeded wildly beyond their own expectations in the caucuses/primaries.

As both of them are not the Establishment, I don't really mind either one. Sanders has agenda closer to what our country needs right now so I like Sanders better. Twenty two years of neo-liberalism rule have already been far too long. We have seen the emaciated eagle which really did not have to be so weakened. It's time to re-balance, to get big things done, such as tax restructuring, infrastructure reinventing, and education rethinking.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Bernie says that he will not give up prior to July. So Lets see what we can drum up in support prior to then. I still say he should run as an independent if the DNC establishment screws him over.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

Roger Whittaker's "The Last Farewell": "There's a ship lies rigged and ready in the harbor."

I feel awful to be left behind alone, in the Battle of the Atlantic Graveyard. I guess it doesn't really matter to which generation one belongs or on which side of the battle one has fought. War hurts.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

Doesn't this feel like 2008 with the geoduck, Pokémon of Wall Street, being favored by the Demonrat Establishment? As Ronnie used to say, "Here we go again!"

Alien cow pie in the sky is full of fertilizer for our 'Garden' State plot no matter how it's spun or hit as a piñata. July will precipitate yet another bridge-too-far scenario of Operation 'Market' Garden.

"Market discipline, market discipline!" muttered incessantly for one and a half years (to allow the stricter bankruptcy law about [especially egregious for student] debts to take effect) by Obi-Wan (Old helicopter Ben) Kenobie of "The Maestro" fame and Hankie-Pankie Paulson (alumnus from Goldman-Sachs) prior to the Great Recession's onset. 'Market' froze up in fear instead. It's rigged!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sour G . . . try and lay off of the LSD.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

Reality-restoring LSD is what this country needs, like Hubble Space Telescope's correctional lens. Look into the facts on the ground.

[-] 0 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

小莫小於水滴, 渐成大海汪洋; 细莫细於沙粒, 渐成大地四方。- Chinese water torture.

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 1 year ago

You chinese man?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

Hopefully, what happens in China stays in China. It's Chinese water torture, isn't it?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

You. Gandhi said, "Be the change that you wish to see in the world."

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

I'd be lying if I haven't thought about that before. I would have to go as an indie though, as the Greens are just too insane economically and the Libertarians are, well, just too insane economically lol.

If I can get my shows and my businesses to the point where they are fairly stable, you may see me and someone else attempt to make some noise for the 2018 FL Gov race.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

Florida has a big slate of representatives and many New York retirees. It's also a swing state so it's susceptible to small forcing guidance. It will be a great state to control as a stepping stone to the Presidency.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

The GOOP Pump is in show-biz, too. He really blindsided the Establishment. "Welcome to New Jersey ..." - the 'Garden' State.

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 1 year ago

Wise words!

[-] 1 points by grapes (4988) 1 year ago

Gandhi is correct but there's a backdrop of happenings behind the scenes. Just look at how the "cessation of hostilities" in Syria was arrived at, as a recent example. Nuts came to watch "The Nutcracker" and felt the pains in their Niederlande.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Update: Sanders campaign will not throw in the towel until the convention in late July. This then assures that only three month remain until the election, an impossible timeline to create anything meaningful in terms of an alternative campaign.

If Jill Stein's camp can create a meaningful and extremely aggressive campaign to target people on the left who would obviously not vote for a wall st hooking war criminal, then we may actually see a nice turnout for a 3rd party. But it hinges on one thing.

It hinges on Bernie not going out graciously. If Bernie dips out like a seasoned pro as opposed to an aggressive revolutionary, then the followers will dip out the same way.

If Bernie says he would be much better but we must go with Clinton because (insert fear statement of other candidate), then that is the final nail for any kind of real insurgency.

Remember, after elections everyone who worked on them is exhausted. Those that win sit back and rest on their laurels, those that lose sit back and forget about it all for a while.

And the cycle repeats itself.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Are you really expecting a ''revolutionary ... real insurgency'' - in the space of 5 months?!!! In the U$A?!! Where apathy, exceptionalism, hubris & pig-headedness .. holds sway?! Fairy Nuff - I don't like pissing on peoples' parades but short time frames don't usually a Political or Societal, Revolution make. Here's my contribution to this right now - and have you got a link to what Dr. Jill Stein & the Greens are up to?

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 3 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

No, I wasn't expecting a "revolutionary... real insurgency" anytime soon, but I would like Sanders' run to be used in a constructive way by us. How? I've got no idea. Both parties have long histories of swallowing up discontent, and absorbing it back into their corrupt cesspools where it dies. I'm aware of the deleterious effects of opting out of the two party system, but I think that we have to make this change and build on it.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Corporations control the three branches of government. Corporations write the laws. Corporations determine the media narrative and public debate. Corporations are turning public education into a system of indoctrination. Corporations profit from permanent war, mass incarceration, suppressed wages and poor health care. Corporations have organized a tax boycott. Corporations demand “austerity.” Corporate power is unassailable, and it rolls forward like a stream of lava.'' - from ...

Which ends .. ''The seeds of destruction of corporate power, however, are embedded within its own structure. The elites have no internal or external constraints. They will exploit, manipulate, lie and oppress until they create an ideological vacuum.''

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

Yes, I read Hedge's column a little bit earlier in the day. I do think that you missed the most applicable (to our discussion) section of his essay though.

"Bernie Sanders, who at least acknowledges our economic reality and refuses to accept corporate money for his presidential campaign, plays the role of the Democratic Party's court jester. No doubt to remain a member of the court, he will not condemn the perfidy and collaboration with corporate power that define Obama, Hillary and Bill Clinton and the Democratic party. He accepts that criticism of Empire is taboo. He continues, even as the party elites rig the primaries against him, to make a mockery of democratic participation, to hold up the Democrats as a tool of change. He will soon be urging his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton, actively working as an impediment to political mobilization [That's us!] and an advocate for political lethargy. Sanders, whose promise of political revolution is as hollow as competing campaign slogans, will be rewarded for his duplicity. He will be allowed to keep his seniority in the Democratic caucus. The party will not mount a campaign in Vermont to unseat him from the U.S. Senate. He will not, as he has feared, end up a pariah as Ralph Nader. But he, like everyone else in the establishment, will have sold us out... my emphasis twice

I have no glee in agreeing with Hedges on this, but that unfortunately, sadly is 'it' in a nutshell. I hope some day that I can write so well...

The Graveyard of the Elites

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_graveyard_of_the_elites_20160228

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Chris Hedges does not pull his punches or mince his words and I've always liked him and linked to him often but I am not the ardent anti-Imperialist Socialist that he is & that I'd like to be!!! No, I did not miss what he said but I will have be the subjective judge of what I, myself consider ... ''most applicable'' - lol!!

Hedges predicts what Sanders will do, whereas I'll wait until he's done it - before I wade in against him because at this juncture - AND for the last 50 years ... I do NOT know ANYONE else with a chance of being POTUS - who was saying the things that Bernie Sanders is saying, from a US 99% perspective!

There is no Perfect Magic Wand here. The Deep Government Reality of The U$A .. can kill what that it finds really threatening [JFK; RFK; MLK; X; Wellstone etc.] and Americans have been Massively Mind Managed & Mis-Educated & Thoroughly Propagandized for 3 Generations. So what are we expecting?

Agree all you like with Hedges - but we have ''Russian Matryoshka Doll'' layers of truth to engage with!!! Most Americans can't take the whole fkn Truth of their de facto Fascist Oligarchy!! That's why so many Occupiers side with Sanders - For Now, as perfection is a luxury for purists but most of us won't sit on our hands waiting for proto-Socialist, Jesus H.Christ but will do what we can today & prep for tomorrow.

I'm unaware what ''the deleterious effects of opting out of the two party system'' are but I too''think that we have to make this change and build on it'' & the rate of that change - is directly proportional to how much & how quickly Americans can overcome their political prejudices, ignorance & their deep hubris.

You write very well and should keep stating your arguments because ultimately it's only through such discourse that true progress for The US & Global 99% can occur. Leaders will come and go - but The 99% are here to stay & need to remember our collective history and its many past lessons - such as:

In my world, the glass will remain half full, 'til later shown to contain only piss & vinegar lol. Solidarity.

ad iudicium et dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

You're right, you should judge what is most "applicable." It's just my Jersey attitude was bubbling out.

Not a lot of time time now, and lots to digest after Super Tuesday. Just so you know, even I was hoping to be proven to be an ass with better results for Sanders.

I just wanted to say, the jury is out on whether my petulance or your patience is most detrimental to our cause.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Why would your ''petulance'' or my so called ''patience'' - be ''detrimental'' to the 99% Struggle?!!! It'll take all sorts of people and all sorts of personalities and characters and minds and approaches ... because it isn't a question of A or B or C - but A & B & C & yet to be identified Ds, Es, Fs, Gs etc. Etc. ETC.!! Shit is just getting started but just 4.5 short years after OWS in Zucotti Park and then all across U$A & then the world ... The Struggle continues; The Seeds are planted; Every Woken-Up Person - can / will / must wake others up; Each One Reach One - Each One Teach One, for a Peaceful Political Revolution, asap!

''Living one step at a time - Putting one foot in front of the other - It sure feels right - Healing on my mind'' Please do try to check out Kshama Sawant again in the previous You-Tube link above.She is very good!

It'll be difficult to ''prove u an ass'' but not so for TrashyM, who uses ''Marxist & Anarchist'' as pejoratives! via pax, amor, lux et per aspera - ad astra.... ... .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh3xPatEto [35s] (through peace, love, light and by hard work - to the stars)--{unless u r an autistic counter-revolutionary!}

The 2 articles immediately above are really well written and I can't recommend them enough to readers.

solidaridad siempre y si se puede - ''el pueblo unido, jamás será vencido!''

solidarity always & yes we can -"the people united will never be defeated!"

et veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Greens are hopelessly bad organizers, along with the libertarians (although I will say they are a bit better than the GP). Exceptionally bad at fundraising and in all honesty, having a good feel for what the youth is going through in this country. The Dems crush them in this.

I'm pushing the GP to create an online campaign along the lines of something like #FeeltheBernPlanB in order to take advantage of the inevitable.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Dear America - A Canadian On Bernie Sanders'' ...

ad iudicium ...