Forum Post: Have Occupiers Simplified the Intellectual Game?
Posted 8 years ago on March 25, 2016, 5:13 p.m. EST by fionachuckles
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I heard BeautifulGirl say that the 1% jig is over. Wall Street's party is over, the cronies are out. Because, why? Bernie Sanders. Shadz, our conspiratard, agrees.
Isn't this simplified thinking?
It scares me a great deal. Bernie Sanders is great, but if we believe that the 1% problem is solved, and Wall Street too, just because he is running for elections, even if he were to become President, I think we are fooling ourselves.
We have to remain realistic and never under appreciate our enemy.
If we go down the fantasy road laid down by beautifulgirl and supported by shadz, I think only bad news awaits us.
It's no time to lay our guard down.
Who's laying their guard down? I'll explain myself since you can't seem to understand anything unless it's black and white.
By "the jig is up... the party is over" I'm talking about the millions and millions of people that Bernie Sanders is educating and who have woken up to the realities of why exactly they are struggling economically. The movement has just begun as these people are not going to forget what they've learned anytime soon. You should know Plato's "Allegory of the Cave," Thrasymaque, shouldn't you?
This is a movement, and Bernie is a big part of it, but he's not the sum total of it, that is changing the mindset of the American people. That is the most important thing about what Bernie has been doing, continuing the legacy of the Occupy movement. Occupies biggest challenge was always in educating the masses. Nothing can happen without that and Bernie has been educating en masse, speeding up the inevitable change that will come from the change in thinking.
Have you seen #BirdieSanders trending number one worldwide on Twitter? Scroll down for the video:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/25/bernie-sanders-rally-bird-portland-oregon-portlandia#img-1
Positivism is good. Even dabbling in utopianism or walking the edge of fantasy is OK at times - but be careful not to fall into the precipice of make believe like shadz has done with conspiracy theories. If we want a better world, we must find real solutions to real problems. If we dance in 'make believe', then we are finding solutions to false problematics.
In other words, like they say in da hood - keep it realz sista...
I also saw #CruzSexScandal and #TrumpLovesPecker trending as well lol.
What an absolute shit show lol.
Wow, you really don't think much of the American populace. You seem to take the vast majority of Americans for uneducated numbskulls who need OWS and Bernie Sanders to educate them, to show them the way.
Perhaps most Americans are dimwits like you seem to think. I won't argue with you on that point. I haven't spent enough time with a large number of different Americans from different States to really know.
However, if you think OWS and Bernie Sanders are the first to talk about socialism, etc... you are quite wrong. There is a history of social movements in US. You should read about them.
I'm happy about Sanders, and it's a really good thing, but it's not the golden messiah who's the master game changer like you seem to think.
Our fight is still very long and arduous. The jig is not up, and Wall Street Cronies are still partying. Don't fool yourself beautifulGirl.
Yes a majority of Americans indeed are dumfucks...who do ya think got us into this mess to start with..."loves me some cheap walmart designed to fail slave made shit...whad you expect me to boycott I needs me stuff! I m to broke to vote with my wallet...what? Stop buying crap? You crazy"...never saw more iphones on " broke folks" ...got to have the gadgets..."foxconn...whateva hey look at this celebrity gossip on my phone"
Most people on this forum are Americans, so yeah, I see what you mean. The low level of intellect is quite clear on this site. Still, I think we still have to stay positive and not treat Americans in a bad way. They are mostly children-like, but they have the capacity to become better. For example, I think a person like shadz can grow out of his conspiracy fetish and become a rigorous scholar. I believe this is still possible.
Ah, your true colors. You WANT the fight to be "long and arduous." You want to dissuade people from feeling hopeful and go back to their apathetic despair.
You don't really want Bernie to win because you don't really want a Political Revolution for the 99%. What are you doing posting on the Occupy Wall Street forum anyway?
And, no, dummy, it's not "socialism" Bernie is talking about. It's the corruption of Wall Street and the political system. "The jig is not up, and Wall Street Cronies are still partying." Oh yeah? Ya think? Ya think the establishment isn't wondering what they are going to do about the momentum Bernie has right now? Stick your head back in the sand.
Hmmm, no, I don't want the fight to be long and arduous, and I certainly do not want to dissuade people. I certainly hope for change, and do hope Bernie is it.
However, what I don't want is people putting all their eggs in one basket, and doing what happened at OWS all again. Getting all into it for a few months, then calling it quits when things didn't change instantly. Like jart, then changing sides. If everyone starts believing like you that the 'jig is up' and 'Wall Street party is over' I fear those people will wonder off if Bernie is not elected, or if he is elected but doesn't live up to promise.
I'm looking for a strong fight that does not rely on one person (Bernie) or one protest movement (OWS).
I don't want quick fixes.
I do want a long arduous battle in a sense, I guess you are right. Because I don't believe we just twinkle our magic wand and it's all fixed. The fight against the 1%, against corruption, greed, etc... is a long fight that in a sense will never be won. We have to keep fighting for justice, sharing of wealth, etc...
We agree on basically everything, I just don't think we should make Bernie into our Messiah or sorts. It becomes too much a make it or break it proposition. Let's welcome Bernie as a helper in our fight for justice, but let's not count on him to fix all our problems and sprinkle magic power on everything like you think.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble BeautifulGirl, but the jig is far from over, and the Wall Street cronies are far from having finished their party. Very far indeed.
Let's fight the good fight,
But let's also try to keep it realz girl.
You contradict yourself from one comment to the next. So, according to you, is the movement happening? Or is it not?
I say it certainly is.
What contradiction? Are you able to express that contradiction you see in clear and concise fashion?
OWS is dead. It's dead in the sense that there are no more activities done in the OWS name. No marches, no people taking over parks, etc... The organizers are no longer active with OWS, and no one took over their lead. It's dead.
Is socialism dead? No. It was alive before OWS, and it still alive after.
I guess the difference between us is that I don't confuse socialism as a general movement, and OWS and a specific mouvement in US history.
For example, I don't consider Sanders as having inherited anything from OWS. He was there before OWS.
Sanders is the real deal. Been doing his thing for a long time.
OWS was a short lived fad.
It's 2016 girl. People started talking about the death of OWS back in 2012. Get up to date!
Besides, who cares... SYRACUSE IS TRENDING!! GO ORANGE!!
You might catch me actin a fool on scope this Sunday at 6pm.
You're correct. The struggle must be for the long-term. Bernie's Presidency may just be a milestone on our way. Bernie is the only sane candidate choice in 2016's crop of presidential candidates.
We don't want to get yet another insane presidency. Crazy Eddie used to say, "My prices are insane!!!" Well, Crazy Eddie went bankrupt, didn't it?
It helps greatly to have enthusiasm like the two you have mentioned but an election does not define a movement. We got the geoduck in two elections. I could see that his hand was figuratively shaking holding his executive pen. He was cowed by Wall Street and we were bamboozled - there came even bigger than too-big-to-fail banks but no break-ups. Due to this anal-retentive compulsion, we are going to burst our colon sooner or later!!! Then with Health Insurance reform, he was cowed again by the medical/pharmaceutical/cesspool complex. The voters did not pay enough attention to getting his agenda realized so lobbyists sneaked in with the democraps/demonrats and we got an underwear with half-assed covering chewed up by the demonkrapts.
You seem to be one of the few users here with a level head. Good for you. It's good you realize the danger that the enthusiasts of this site pose. They often fall into fantasy and lose track of reality. Shadz and his 'No Plane' theory. Talk about losing track with reality.
It takes many kinds of people to succeed in a struggle. There's the passion of youth due to inexperience. There's also the defeatist attitude of old age due to repeated failures.
If one looks at how things go before a success, they are ALL failures. It's always the last trial before success that really works but there's really no way to get to the last trial without having done the failures.
The chance of success is low so one should not feel dejected by yet another failure but the failure is required for success. Enthusiasm gets one to do something so it beats defeatist attitude. Persistence on trying new ways and relaxing constraints often breeds success.
I'm sure you heard of that miracle potion sitting in many people's garages; WD-40, but did you know what the name stands for? It stands for "Water Displacement Formula, 40th attempt."
Cheerio...
Yes, I knew that and its marvelous profit margin. Up to and including the 39th attempt, people may call the inventor a "ne'er-do-well" but the 40th attempt unleashes a "genius." That's the American formula for success - get lots of so-called fools to do all kinds of things with support, some are bound to be admired as possessing "genius." The bankruptcy laws (the eelites made bankruptcies far more burdensome before 2008's Great Panic) take care of the rest - in the good old frontier spirits of the Wild Wild West. Herr Drumpf knows well how it worked for him - he's now got a "genius."