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Forum Post: Assange is quite willing to cooperate with Swedish "rape" investigation, just not willing to be lynched in Ammurikka.

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 21, 2012, 5:35 p.m. EST by bestevidence (170)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/opinion/wikileaks-and-the-global-future-of-free-speech.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

OP-ED CONTRIBUTORS WikiLeaks and Free Speech By MICHAEL MOORE and OLIVER STONE

WE have spent our careers as filmmakers making the case that the news media in the United States often fail to inform Americans about the uglier actions of our own government. We therefore have been deeply grateful for the accomplishments of WikiLeaks, and applaud Ecuador’s decision to grant diplomatic asylum to its founder, Julian Assange, who is now living in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London. Enlarge This Image

Keith Negley Related Assange Accuses U.S. of a ‘Witch Hunt’ (August 20, 2012) Ecuador Grants Asylum to Assange, Defying Britain (August 17, 2012) Times Topic: WikiLeaks Related in Opinion Op-Ed Contributor: It’s Not About Assange (August 20, 2012)

Connect With Us on Twitter For Op-Ed, follow @nytopinion and to hear from the editorial page editor, Andrew Rosenthal, follow @andyrNYT. Ecuador has acted in accordance with important principles of international human rights. Indeed, nothing could demonstrate the appropriateness of Ecuador’s action more than the British government’s threat to violate a sacrosanct principle of diplomatic relations and invade the embassy to arrest Mr. Assange.

Since WikiLeaks’ founding, it has revealed the “Collateral Murder” footage that shows the seemingly indiscriminate killing of Baghdad civilians by a United States Apache attack helicopter; further fine-grained detail about the true face of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars; United States collusion with Yemen’s dictatorship to conceal our responsibility for bombing strikes there; the Obama administration’s pressure on other nations not to prosecute Bush-era officials for torture; and much more.

Predictably, the response from those who would prefer that Americans remain in the dark has been ferocious. Top elected leaders from both parties have called Mr. Assange a “high-tech terrorist.” And Senator Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who leads the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has demanded that he be prosecuted under the Espionage Act. Most Americans, Britons and Swedes are unaware that Sweden has not formally charged Mr. Assange with any crime. Rather, it has issued a warrant for his arrest to question him about allegations of sexual assault in 2010.

All such allegations must be thoroughly investigated before Mr. Assange moves to a country that might put him beyond the reach of the Swedish justice system. But it is the British and Swedish governments that stand in the way of an investigation, not Mr. Assange.

Swedish authorities have traveled to other countries to conduct interrogations when needed, and the WikiLeaks founder has made clear his willingness to be questioned in London. Moreover, the Ecuadorean government made a direct offer to Sweden to allow Mr. Assange to be interviewed within Ecuador’s embassy. In both instances, Sweden refused.

Mr. Assange has also committed to traveling to Sweden immediately if the Swedish government pledges that it will not extradite him to the United States. Swedish officials have shown no interest in exploring this proposal, and Foreign Minister Carl Bildt recently told a legal adviser to Mr. Assange and WikiLeaks unequivocally that Sweden would not make such a pledge. The British government would also have the right under the relevant treaty to prevent Mr. Assange’s extradition to the United States from Sweden, and has also refused to pledge that it would use this power. Ecuador’s attempts to facilitate that arrangement with both governments were rejected.

Taken together, the British and Swedish governments’ actions suggest to us that their real agenda is to get Mr. Assange to Sweden. Because of treaty and other considerations, he probably could be more easily extradited from there to the United States to face charges. Mr. Assange has every reason to fear such an outcome.The Justice Department recently confirmed that it was continuing to investigate WikiLeaks, and just-disclosed Australian government documents from this past February state that “the U.S. investigation into possible criminal conduct by Mr. Assange has been ongoing for more than a year.” WikiLeaks itself has published e-mails from Stratfor, a private intelligence corporation, which state that a grand jury has already returned a sealed indictment of Mr. Assange. And history indicates Sweden would buckle to any pressure from the United States to hand over Mr. Assange. In 2001 the Swedish government delivered two Egyptians seeking asylum to the C.I.A., which rendered them to the Mubarak regime, which tortured them.

If Mr. Assange is extradited to the United States, the consequences will reverberate for years around the world. Mr. Assange is not an American citizen, and none of his actions have taken place on American soil. If the United States can prosecute a journalist in these circumstances, the governments of Russia or China could, by the same logic, demand that foreign reporters anywhere on earth be extradited for violating their laws. The setting of such a precedent should deeply concern everyone, admirers of WikiLeaks or not.

We urge the people of Britain and Sweden to demand that their governments answer some basic questions: Why do the Swedish authorities refuse to question Mr. Assange in London? And why can neither government promise that Mr. Assange will not be extradited to the United States? The citizens of Britain and Sweden have a rare opportunity to make a stand for free speech on behalf of the entire globe.

Michael Moore and Oliver Stone are Academy Award-winning filmmakers.

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[-] 2 points by Shule (1560) 1 year ago

What never ceases to amaze me about this whole wiki-leaks affair, is all this focus on Mr. Assange's alleged misconduct, when wiki-leaks exposed many clear criminal violations (including murder) on the part of U.S. military personnel in uniform as well as criminal violations by U.S. government officials at highest levels including Mrs. Clinton who is the current U.S. Secretary of State. That all seems to get forgotten in the press.

[-] 2 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

It goes without saying doesn't it? The issue becomes the messenger and not the message.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

"Don't Lose Sight of Why the US is Out to Get Julian Assange", by Seaumus Milne :

"Ecuador is pressing for a deal that offers justice to Assange's accusers – and essential protection for whistleblowers".

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Good article.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

"The Pursuit of Julian Assange is an Assault on Freedom and a Mockery of Journalism", by John Pilger :

"Four years ago, a barely noticed Pentagon document, leaked by WikiLeaks, described how WikiLeaks and Assange would be destroyed with a smear campaign leading to "criminal prosecution". On 18 August, the Sydney Morning Herald disclosed, in a Freedom of Information release of official files, that the Australian government had repeatedly received confirmation that the US was conducting an "unprecedented" pursuit of Assange and had raised no objections. Among Ecuador's reasons for granting asylum is Assange's abandonment "by the state of which he is a citizen". In 2010, an investigation by the Australian Federal Police found that Assange and WikiLeaks had committed no crime. His persecution is an assault on us all and on freedom."

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

The "case" against him has been proven to be baseless. The stranglehold on the media is obvious now to anyone who can think for themselves. Trouble with most people these days is that they "think" in soundbytes given to them by the mass media. It's easier that way.

Oh, and the Australian govt is a lapdog for the US mafia govt. So is the UK's. They're either all in it, or they get replaced.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

Onyer mate ! I agree totally !!

SOLIDARITY with Assange !!!

pax et lux ...

[-] 4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Just finished watching. Loved it.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Cheers Richard.

What needs to be drummed into people's heads is the information that wikileaks shared with us. RE; criminals in positions of power need to be called to task to answer for what they have done.

Where is the supposed transparency in government? These criminals that are running our show demand it from countries that they invade and bomb and murder civilians.

Why aren't they held to the same phoney "ideals" they are espousing?

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

Yes mate, I've been linking to it for nearly 48 hours ! Scroll up to top of the thread. Thanx tho' ;-)

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Awww, okayz. I'm as busy as a one-armed wallpaper hanger just now, so no time to read much.

Glad you're onto it. Keep the feeling real and going strong.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

Delegate the "wallpapering" but keep "building" !!!

ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by ediblescape (235) 1 year ago

Thank U for the link.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

Thanx & "Julian Assange, Dictators and Terrorists : Spot the difference " (Video) :

Watch this short film, see how an Interpol Red Notice has been issued for his arrest - which is usually used only for dictators and terrorists, even Syria's Assad and Libya's Ghadaffi were not subjected to one - and know why he has resisted extradition to Sweden.

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by ediblescape (235) 1 year ago

I think Assange have been winning this fight for information freedom. From starting the leaks of US, a lot of politicains called for his death. Biden called him "terrorist". Look at now, nobody even came out say something when assange told the world US is a terrorist state.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

Assange has greatly helped the cause of The Global 99% ! He is a true dissident !! His plight is our plight .... Unfree !!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by ediblescape (235) 1 year ago

The Assange's Wikileaks sparked the global occupy movement.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

thanks

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

"WikiLeaks sheds light on Paul Ryan's questionable human rights stance",

by Sam Knight :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 2 points by ediblescape (235) 1 year ago

Wikileaks are working

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

All in all not very surprising. What else would one expect from a sociopath?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

A "sociopath" who could be POTUS !!!

caveat ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

True - I could see him "accidentally" stabbing mittens in the base of the skull with an ice pick. Oooops

[-] -2 points by ericalbertmiles (-4) 1 year ago

When was the last time you did some grassroots initiatives? When was the last time you used this site to get in touch with people in your community so you could meet in real life and make some real changes to help to people who need help OWS style?

You spend your days writing on this forum trying to convince OWS protesters not to vote for the republicans. What an utter WASTE OF TIME. OWS protesters WILL NOT vote for the republicans. They are heavily slanted towards the left. So, there's no reason to talk abut that.

You should get back to talking about what OWS is about. And that's doing grassroots changes in our communities.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Well, sadly the thought police removed the comment that i wished to address. But, FYI, I come to this site because the conversations that take place are conversations that I enjoy having with people regardless of the forum. As to why I ain't out there protesting, well I have already went through the seven stages of grief. Went through them in 2008, and I ain't delusional enough to believe my protesting will make one iota of difference. Why should I spend my time telling everyone else why their beloved system is morally bankrupt? The writing is on the wall and the proof is in the outcomes. I'm just glad I realized this before I had kids, else I might be out there with you.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Read my posts - they are not like the comments I make to slap down stupid shills trolls corpoRATist's and quislings.

BTW - as U R new (?) here. I do what I can given my physical limitations.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

questionable?

Thanks I'll have a look.

[-] 1 points by Shubee (119) 1 year ago

Let's not forget the war crimes of George W. Bush.

[-] 1 points by Shule (1560) 1 year ago

He tops the list!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

perhaps. the people saw that no justice would be served to the rulers

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

"Sex, Lies and Julian Assange" - (WikiLeaks Doc.) by Andrew Fowler and Wayne Harley :

'Four Corners' reporter Andrew Fowler examines in detail what happened in those crucial weeks while Julian Assange was in Sweden. What was the nature of his relationship with the two women who claim he assaulted them ? And what did they tell police that led the authorities to seek his arrest ?

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

thanks

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

"War on Whistleblowers Must End !!" - Assange's speech at Ecuador Embassy, (19th Aug.'12).

"As WikiLeaks stands under threat, so does the freedom of expression and the health of all our societies. We must use this moment to articulate the choice that is before the government of the United States of America," he said.

"Will it return to and reaffirm the revolutionary values it was founded on or will it lurch off the precipice, dragging us all into a dangerous and oppressive world in which journalists fall silent under the fear of prosecution and citizens must whisper in the dark ?"

"I say it must turn back. I ask President [Barack] Obama to do the right thing : the United States must renounce its witch-hunt against WikiLeaks."

SOLIDARITY with Julian Assange !!!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Mark Crispin Miller is professor of media studies at New York University, and the author of the book: Fooled Again, How the Right Stole the 2004 Elections. He presents this article by Naomi Wolf;

Something Rotten in the State of Sweden: 8 Big Problems with the ‘Case’ Against Assange by Naomi Wolf

Exclusive to News from Underground

Now that Andrew Kreig, of the Justice Integrity Project, has confirmed Karl Rove’s role as an advisor to the Swedish government in its prosecution of Julian Assange on sexual misconduct charges, it is important that we note the many glaring aberrations in the handling of Assange’s case by the authorities in Sweden.

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/02/eight-big-problems-with-the-case-against-assange-must-read-by-naomi-wolf/

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

This reminds me of the rattlesnake I almost walked into the other day. The U.S. is coiled and ready to strike at Assange as soon as he is near, but hasn't rattled it's tail because it doesn't want to scare off it's next meal.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

"Julian Assange Arrest Plan Revealed Accidentally", by Damien Pearse :

The document, pictured under the officer's arm by a Press Association photographer, appears to advocate arresting the WikiLeaks founder whether he leaves the building in a diplomatic bag or in a diplomatic car.

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

Interesting. Doesn't seem so accidental.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (18009) 1 year ago

Hmmm. Not so subtle psy-ops, you mean ? Good call ! You can't kid a kidder, huh ?!!

Nights draw in & plots thicken !!!

SOLIDARITY to Julian Assange !!

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

At some point, in some way. he will be brought to respond to the allegations. Remember Roman Polanski? I have no idea if he’s guilty. But when you run from the law it makes you look guilty. If he is in fact guilty of the crimes he should be in jail. Being rich and famous shouldn’t allow you to choose the laws you want to obey. Besides, Sweden isn’t a lapdog for the US. Sweden probably has one of the fairest legal systems on the planet.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

He didn't run from the law. The timeline of events is very revealing. Assange leaked the bulk of U.S. secrets in July of 2010, by August of 2010 he is charged with rape of one woman, and molestation of the other, which occurred in early August of 2010. After being questioned in Sweden the arrest warrant is initially dropped.

The timeline of the rape charges is here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11949341

Here is one damning example of what some of our soldiers did in Iraq, courtesy of Manning and Assange.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbqmr5rtdOs

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

OK, but there is also the possibility he is guiltily of the sex crimes and using wiki as a cover. As I said before, I don’t have a clue if he guilty of the sex abuse allegations. But if he is guilty he should be in jail. A person who otherwise does good works doesen't get a pass on committing sex crimes. He should surrender to authorities and face the allegations.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

If you wanted to smear someone, what would be the worst crime to accuse him of?

[-] -2 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Sorry, not big on conspiracy theories. I don’t have a clue if he’s guilty or not. Nor does anyone else. But it does bother me that so many people are willing to give him a pass on being a possible rapist because of wiki. Personally, I take sex crime allegations very serious and he should respond to the allagations.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Be sure to watch this documentary about the Assange case that goes much deeper in depth than any sound bite you watch on CNN.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/07/19/3549280.htm

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

If you look at the link to the time line of events, Assange did cooperate with authorities in August of 2010 while in Sweden.

Look at it from an innocent man's point of view. You just published classified documents belonging to the greatest power on earth, and all of a sudden false charges are brought against you. All within a month or so. After Sweden drops the charges, they are brought up again. Would you go back to Sweden? Assange with his contacts knows more about U.S. intentions than the public.

Did you notice how England was so intent on getting Assange from out of the Equadoran embassy that they were willing to break the rule that embassies are considered sovereign territory.

What do you think the U.S. should do with Assange if they get him? Put him in prison with Manning?

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[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Good point about how Paypal, Amazon, and Mastercard denied service or froze funds to Wikileaks back in 2010. Since when do U.S. corporations on their own take such actions involving foreign companies?

If not for the outrage by many of their customers, Wikileaks Paypal funds would still be frozen.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

innocent people are sometimes found guilty

[-] 2 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

Assange cooperated with the Swedish police in Sweden. They questioned him he answered their questions and they released him. Now they say they want to question him some more, but not in England. Why?

[-] 2 points by flip (5076) 1 year ago

seems you do not know the facts - learn them before you start flapping - this is from democracynow - "If you read these allegations, he took off Miss A’s clothes too quickly for her comfort. She tried to tell him to slow down, but then, quote, "she allowed him to undress her." This is what the report says. The second woman says she woke to find him having sex with her. When she asked whether he was wearing a condom, he said no. Quote, "According to her statement, she said: 'You better not have HIV.'" He answered, "Of course not." Quote, "She couldn’t be bothered to tell him one more time because she had been going on about the condom all night. She had never had unprotected sex before."

So, if you’re going to treat women as moral adults and if you’re going to take the issue of rape seriously, the person who’s engaging in what he thinks is consensual sex has to be told, "I don’t want this." And again and again and again, these women did not say, "This is not consensual." Assange was shocked when these were brought up as complaints, because he had no idea that this was not a consensual situation. Miss A kept Assange in her home for the next four days and threw a party for him.

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

Roman Polanski had already pled guilty to sex with a 13 year old and he fled the country before sentencing. Assange hasn't even been charged with anything. Furthermore, Polanski didn't have the U.S. convening a grand jury to consider charges of espionage against him in retaliation for publishing the truth about the wars.

If Assange did commit some sex crime I too want him to answer for it. That could easily be accomplished by Sweden agreeing not to extradite him to the US, an offer which Sweden has refused.

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[-] -3 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

What? Now people accused criminal activity get to set conditions before they address the allegations? The swedish legal system doesn't operate at the whims and convenience of alleged crominals.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The thing is - it does not sound as if he has been charged with anything - it sounds like they are saying that they want to follow-up on an inquiry that he has already cooperated with - it sounds like they should have no problem with promising no extradition to the USA - it sounds like they could probably arrange to do the inquiry at the embassy where Assange is now.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

No, it doesn't have to of course, but if this really is just about questioning him in relation to alleged sex crimes, I would think they would agree and/or go to the embassy to question him.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

They want to question him about charges? Which is it? Questions or face charges? Anyone else see the contradiction?

[-] 2 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

From what I understand there are no charges as of yet in Sweden, only an investigation that could possibly lead to charges. Assange is quite willing to cooperate with that investigation and Sweden's refusal to offer assurances that he will not be extradited to the US to be lynched gives strength to Assange's and Michael Moore and Oliver Stone's concerns.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Exactly. Just wanted to point out the MSM contradiction and opinion making.

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[-] -3 points by Lucky1 (-125) from Wray, CO 1 year ago

Echos of Roman Polanski here. But then the Left were always his cheerleaders too.

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

Quite different actually. Roman Polanski had already pled guilty to sex with a 13 year old and he fled the country before sentencing. Assange hasn't even been charged with anything. Furthermore, Polanski didn't have the U.S. convening a grand jury to consider charges of espionage against him in retaliation for publishing the truth about the wars.

If Assange did commit some sex crime I too want him to answer for it. That could easily be accomplished by Sweden agreeing not to extradite him to the US, an offer which Sweden has refused.

See also: http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-are-women-against-rape-but-we-do-not-want-julia/

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

You either are a liar or an idiot who says things about subjects he knows nothing about.