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Forum Post: A Week Of Awards - Week 1

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 15, 2012, 12:07 p.m. EST by OWSawardCommittee (1)
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Best Poster Award

This weeks poster award goes to..... struggleforfreedom80 for his posting on Libertarian Socialism and his handling of the comments.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-libertarian-socialism-is-the-best-way-to-organ/

His views are OWS to the core, and he shares them with confidence, clarity, honesty, and respect. Bravo to struggleforfreedom80.


Most Ludicrous Comment Award

This was a no brainer: http://occupywallst.org/forum/yeah-it-must-just-all-be-because-of-the-video/#comment-834275

GNAT is comparing the removal of a clitoris with the removal of a man's foreskin. Although I don't agree with either practice, it's clear they are on a different scale altogether! Female circumcision (removal of the clitoris) is much more barbaric than male circumcision and both acts cannot be compared at all.


Censorship Avoidance OR Moderator Slide By Award

Again, a no brainer. The Truther post by shadz66 which breaks the forum rules wins this one. After more than 10 years, conspiracy theorists still manage to get their nonsense passed the moderators and the "smart" and "logical" people of the world.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/911-a-geo-political-monster-a-cris-de-coeur-by-tim/

This post attracted many other 911 Truther posts this week, and it's the first time we see some in quite awhile. Here's another that slipped by the mods. The other ones were banned.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-detailed-technically-feasible-explanation-2-towe/


Bravery OR Tenacity Award

This goes to Lokibro57 (Odin) for believing in something and doing everything to make sure his voice is heard. Keep up the great work.


Downfall Of The Week Award

This goes to April who has been banned after almost a year of posting here. A long time user takes the plunge for her beliefs. She's now known as Buttercup. Cheers April. You're my girl.


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[-] 4 points by GNAT (150) 2 years ago

Most Ludicrous Comment Award

This was a no brainer: http://occupywallst.org/forum/yeah-it-must-just-all-be-because-of-the-video/#comment-834275

GNAT is comparing the removal of a clitoris with the removal of a man's foreskin. Although I don't agree with either practice, it's clear they are on a different scale altogether! Female circumcision (removal of the clitoris) is much more barbaric than male circumcision and both acts cannot be compared at all.


I want to make sure this comment stays in the post. Don't edit it out. It's a good thing you change user names as often as you do, no issues with credibility. It's amazing how you criticize culture as part of the problem but the culture you are accustomed to skews your view of facts. looks like you aren't as immune to cultural bias as you think you are.

I also want to be sure to offer some facts over your sexist opinion.

http://www.womenagainstmen.com/medical/male-genital-mutilation-circumcision.html

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Libertarian Socialism needs a more pragmatic title to express its function

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6674) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Odin is a punk with no guts at all, if he stood for anything he would contribute to the forum but that would require him to revele himself when hiding like a coward is more to his liking. Here are a few links to show my point:

Here we see all posts by frovikleka, "odin" new id

http://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=User%3Afrovikleka

As you can see there are none, use cap F and you get this:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=user%3AFrovikleka

There are 3 posts you can look for yourself how "brave" they are looks to me like he carries Republican water for the most part:

Here's mine, who he constantly hounds in his childish way: (I mean fansty REALLY?)

http://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=user%3Afactsrfun

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Most ludicrous thread of the week award goes to this post!!!

Along with most misleading username.

Here's my op-ed on the awards.

1.) SFF80 is proving to a lucid supporter. I give this a thumbs up.

2.) GNAT is a typical troll. so thumbs up this one.

3.) Conspiracy theory is part of human nature and this is hardly the only one proposed this week. Thumbs down.

4.) Time will tell. Odin does have some issues understanding others. thumb sideways.

5.) LOL I'm sure there were good reasons after so long a time. Thumbs down.

So there's my review of the review.

Honorable mention for the stupidest proposal of the week.

"The bridge to the ground" club. I don't see how you missed this crappy misleading concept.

It should have been #1 in the dumbest post category.

So that's a BIG thumbs down on the whole concept of idiotic self appointed awards givers.

[-] -1 points by OWSawardCommittee (1) 2 years ago

These are the Thrasymaquian awards. You are more than welcome to give out your own awards.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I have no desire to do so.

Thrashy is/was full of crap anyway.

My thumbs down to the concept remains.

Perhaps if the #1 idiotic post went to the "club", I would have felt better about it, but as it is, it's off point.

[-] -3 points by Buttercup (1067) 2 years ago

5.) Try DK throws a hissy fit. Now that was funny. lol.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's so last week.

How about April finally saying something so stupid that he/she got banned?

I wonder what it was?

[-] 0 points by Buttercup (1067) 2 years ago

Yes that's correct. You 'wonder what it was'. Because you don't know what it was. But yet, you find it appropriate and somehow necessary to 'theorize' about it. Something you know nothing about. But don't let the facts get in the way of your over active imagination. lmao. Theorize away!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

This allows you the opportunity to dispel all theorizing.

You know thrashy would never approve of theories.

[-] 1 points by Buttercup (1067) 2 years ago

On the contrary! I told you! Theorize away!! Really. Go for it.

Since when do you care what Thrasymaque thinks? For craps sake, why start now?! lol. You're so flipping funny.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'll pass.

I was only curious about your level of honesty.

[-] -1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

If you’re sincere, then thanks for those kind words.

You just joined today, so I don’t know anything of what you’re really about, though; and I agree with shooz that your username is misleading.

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[-] 0 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

I am OWSawardCommittee and I am Thrasymaque and I am very sincere. Good job and keep anarchy coming. On this democrat forum, a real OWS anarchist such as yourself is more than welcome.

[-] 4 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

If any "real OWS anarchists" deserve attention here it's jart and her friends. She helped start this movement and she's doing such important and wonderful work with this site.

[-] 0 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

Perhaps, but she's nowhere to be seen on this site. Her contributions are limited to banning users and comments. The last time she wrote a sentence here was eons ago. Like most good anarchists, she loves to control the show from behind the scenes and she loves to censor.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

she probably has an alias name

I guessed "factsrfun" but jart tells me that is not the case

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

"Perhaps, but she's nowhere to be seen on this site."

But that's because she has other very important priorities.

"Her contributions are limited to banning users and comments."

This discussion forum has, as most others, certain rules. I don't think that's unreasonable. I've read the rules and I don't find them unreasonable either.

"Like most good anarchists, she loves to control the show from behind the scenes and she loves to censor."

So you're not so found of anarchists after all..?

[-] -2 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

I like anarchist theory, but I find anarchists themselves to usually be the worst at practicing those theories. Take this site. First, it uses a score system which is hierarchic. Second the moderation is dubious to say the least. Yes, there are rules, but those rules are not followed when moderating. Political campaigning reigns here. It's more of a pro-democrat forum than an anarchist one. The thing with most anarchists I have encountered is that they are very hard headed, almost cult-like in many ways. Ironically, they are the ones in Occupy who crave the most power. This site is controlled by them and, although they don't like to post here, they love to keep an eye and censor the discussions and they never report back as to why. If this website was really based on anarchy it would be controlled by the community. Moderators would be rotated once in awhile. However, anarchists don't work that way. Basically, it's like having representatives without knowing their names and who have no term limits. If this site operates for 10 years during all that time jart and friends will control the show. We are observers here, contributing once in awhile and getting our comments banned often without knowing why.

The best would be for non-anarchists to take up anarchist theory and turn it into practice.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

People will ALWAYS crave power. Its in our nature. Give them a little taste of it, and the majority will want more.

It takes a very humble person, who has already lived through some tough shit, to handle power and not abuse it.

[-] 1 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

Yes, obviously. Power corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimately. What is your point?

The theoretical goal of anarchy as a system is to limit power as much as possible to individuals by spreading it as much as possible throughout the community. What I'm saying is that if OWS cannot demonstrate this in practice on this website they can never hope to make it happen for a nation of 300 million.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I was speaking more of your statement on your observasions of anarchists being hard headed.

I've seen a lot of people get very strange when they get some power at OT.

[-] 0 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

I think anarchists are hard headed because they are dealing with mostly a theoretical system. When a system has barely been tested in practice it's basically perfect. In a sense, I think this holds them back. It's the fear of failure. My opinion is that jart is scared to really turn this site over to an anarchist type model because it might fail and poke a hole in anarchic theory. It's much easier to run it in a conventional way with moderators that never change and with a hierarchic point system. Ironically, I've used forums which were much more anarchic in their setup than this one. Forums which were truly run by the community that used them.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

"First, it uses a score system which is hierarchic."

Anarchism is not about everybody having the same karma points.

"Yes, there are rules, but those rules are not followed when moderating."

What makes you say that?

"The thing with most anarchists I have encountered is that they are very hard headed, almost cult-like in many ways."

Anarchist ideas are just common sense. If we'd managed to spread the ideas in a proper way, anarchism would become mainstream.

"Ironically, they are the ones in Occupy who crave the most power."

The movement has no leaders, and is becoming more and more organized. You're not making any sense.

"If this website was really based on anarchy it would be controlled by the community."

Sure, in a more ideal world. The problem is that we live in a society to a very large extent based on capitalist principles, and where a big part of the population is not even familiar with the basic principles of anarchism. This website is also not the entire Occupy Movement.

"The best would be for non-anarchists to take up anarchist theory and turn it into practice."

You're funny.

[-] -1 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

If the OWS community cannot be made to run this website in a communal fashion, then we are very far from having a country of 300 million people which uses anarchy as a means to structure itself. Very far indeed.

Comments and users get banned all the time for reasons which are never explained. Other users are free to campaign for Obama or post conspiracy theories both of which are against the forum rules.

The problem with the implementation of anarchy in OWS is that it's not transparent. It's always the same anarchists that go to the general assemblies because they have time, thus they are the leaders although we don't know their names and they have no term limits.

About the karma points, sorry but it's based on a system of hierarchy. This site is not a good demonstration of anarchy because of those points, and because there are only a few people running it who never change.

Anarchy will never go anywhere in practice if OWS cannot even use it in a fair and honest fashion. The theory might be nice, but so far the practice that has been shown by OWS is very dubious.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26790) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well now - there ya go - or was that an oops? I mean your are not claiming to be an anarchist anymore? Wow is your mask slipping?

[-] 0 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

Where did I claim to be an anarchist? You've been confusing me with marthafromOTS. I'm not her. I'm Thrasymaque. I believe in anarchic philosophy, but I don't believe in anarchists themselves. They are always the first to trample on what they preach.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Conspiracy theory.

Where's that rascally thrashy to slap down another "theorist", when we need him to?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You're a sock puppet???

That truly is the epitome of insincerity.

So which one of you do you consider to be the puppeteer?

Who is the man behind the curtain, pulling the strings?

[-] -1 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

Who is shooz? What's your real name, age, location, job, income? Why are you hiding behind a fake name? Who are you really?

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Actually I did give out most of that info. I would have thought with all your magical puppets you would have already known that.

I guess you're not infallible and all seeing, after all. Imagine that.

It's you who never posted that info.

Disingenuous much?

[-] 0 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

Care to post it again? I'd like to know who's hiding behind shooz.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Nope. I don't care to. It was a one shot deal.

That's just one more loss for you're idiotic puppet army.

Just more proof of your notorious fallibility.

If you are who you claim to be.

[-] 0 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

Well I don't know who you are and you don't know who I am. We both hide behind fake forum names.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I gave most of that info out.

You just missed it, Mr. Mysterious puppeteer that knows all.

Who's all seeing puppets lash their strings to everything.

Not.

Thrashy is/was a poser and you are too, no matter who you really be.

It's inconsequential, other than the fact that it destroys your credibility.

Know that and move on.

[-] 0 points by TomJerryAndPatsy (-37) 2 years ago

I gave me info out too, you just missed it. Difference is, I don't go around name calling you. You're simply jealous because Thraysmaque is well respected here by the forum's most intelligent readers.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

No, the difference is......I've never used a sock puppet. Not a single one.

I don't lie, unlike thrashy, who's lies are notorious.

If not a puppeteer, what do you call yourself?

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Troll of the year award: FactsRFun

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (9511) from Phoenix, AZ 10 minutes ago Has anyone else noticed how "odin" and "frovikleka" never makes any contributions to the forum? It seems all he wants to do is attempt to keep OWS supporters out of the voting booth or at the decision making process as far as who does in the end win office. I am convinced this because he fears the defeat of Republicans should OWS act in it's best interest. Here are links to all posts by "both" of them: http://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=User%3Afrovikleka http://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=User%3Aodin ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6674) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Did I bring you back from the dead? Are you a Walker now?

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Have you just crawled out from under a boulder, Jesus?