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Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 7:32 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

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Live Updates

  • 12:40 pm: 200+ already arrested; our Day of Action has just begun; stay tuned for Lunch!
  • 12:38 pm: march underway down Broadway to Liberty Square
  • 12:35 pm: all barricades at Liberty Square reportedly down
  • 12:18 pm: triumphant marchers returning to Liberty Square
  • 12:14 pm: global solidarity actions: Occupy LA blocking bridge into financial district; Occupy Portland closes Steel Bridge; 30,000 march in Greece; more updates to come.
  • 11:55 am: one of many video streams, TheOther99, breaks 20K current viewers, nearly 170K total views
  • 11:52 am: counterterrorism agents spotted, appear oblivious to economic terrorism
  • 11:47 am: "out of the office, into the streets!" Woman runs out of office 65 broadway and hugs a protester
  • 11:44 am: thousands marching on Wall Street under red and black flag, police rush to erect barricades
  • 11:34 am: sign reads: "Arrest one of us, and two more will appear. You cannot arrest an idea."
  • 11:32 am: barricades removed from south side of Liberty Square.
  • 11:20 am: Liberty Square re-occupied: Bloomberg, NYPD struggle to quash Occupy Wall Street.
  • 11:11 am: police chaos, officers use barricade as weapon against press, protestors
  • 11:09 am: protestors tearing down NYPD barricades at south side of Liberty Square, chanting: "WHOSE PARK? OUR PARK!" -- police outnumbered, calling in reinforcements.
  • 11:04 am: media denied access past police blockade; coverage of mass arrests censored by NYPD
  • 11:02 am: mass arrests reported at Beaver & Broadway
  • 10:59 am: massive march coming north on Broadway south of Wall. Protestors continue to converge on Liberty Square, which is partially surrounded by helmeted NYPD
  • 10:53 am: police profiling protesters; checking IDs to access Broadway checkpoints around Wall Street. Video stream shows police selectively allowing some people to pass without ID based on appearance, while blocking other people who "look like protesters" from passing even with ID.
  • 10:44 am: thousands occupying Liberty Square
  • 10:39 am: reports of LRAD sound cannon used by NYPD to disperse protesters singing National Anthem near Pine St
  • 10:37 am: Bloomberg responds to Wall Street shutdown
  • 10:32 am: one march headed down william toward beaver stopped by police; people who "look like protesters" not allowed to pass, but "suits" allowed through
  • 10:30 am: protesters chanting "her cuffs are too tight" in solidarity with 60 y/o woman who can't feel her arms after being arrested
  • 10:25 am: police violence continues; protestors defiant, undeterred
  • 10:16 am: via people's mic: protestors converging in victory march to Liberty Square to celebrate 15 minute delay of NYSE opening bell.
  • 10:14 am: report of sanitation workers blocking Beaver with truck in solidarity with OWS
  • 10:10 am: protesters and police at stand-off at multiple intersections; people's mic breaks out across locations to share heart-breaking, inspirational stories of the 99%
  • 10:07 am: under OWS banner, hundreds use people's mic to tell personal stories of economic exploitation. Sitting in street, intersection of Nassau and Wall. Watch live
  • 10:00 am: 50+ arrested, 60 Wall subway station reported closed.
  • 9:58 am: about 20 protestors locked arms, blocking access to TD Bank
  • 9:56 am: globalrev at 20,000 current viewers.
  • 9:55 am: at least half dozen reporters violently shoved by NYPD
  • 9:52 am: widespread reports of police violence
  • 9:50 am: defying police bullhorn orders, protesters drop banner reading "revolution"
  • 9:43 am: more arrests at Wall and Broadway, pedestrians restricted
  • 9:39 am: NYPD checkpoint at Pine and Broadway, checking ID
  • 9:35 am: theother99 ustream hits 10,000 current viewers, 60,000 total.
  • 9:34 am: NYPD violence forcing marchers to sidewalk
  • 9:27 am: sit-in at Pine and Nassau cleared. If dispersed, head there.
  • 9:19 am: police brutality at 60 Wall
  • 9:16 am: retired Philly police Captain Ray Lewis reported arrested.
  • 9:11 am: opening bell delayed!
  • 9:09 am: traders blocked from entering stock exchange
  • 9:07 am: NYPD refusing to give badge numbers
  • 9:06 am: subway 2 and 3 to Wall Street confirmed open, but guarded by NYPD
  • 9:04 am: police arrest woman in wheelchair
  • 9:02 am: reports of 30+ arrested, zip-tied
  • 9:00 am: NYPD confused, overwhelmed
  • 8:58 am: Wall Street workers massing with protestors, unable to enter Wall Street
  • 8:55 am: sitters at Nassau being dragged away, Beaver and New requesting help, police using batons
  • 8:53 am: protestors taking police barricades, barricading Police vehicle
  • 8:49 am: confirmed arrests at Beaver and Broadway, police moving in on Hannover
  • 8:47 am: arrest warning given at Nassau and Pine
  • 8:45 am: people chanting "take the Bull!"
  • 8:41 am: arrests at Wall and Beaver
  • 8:39 am: all entrances to Wall Street occupied, police moving in on Hannover and Wall
  • 8:31 am: protestors blocking intersections
  • 8:29 am: 2 and 3 subways at 60 Wall now reported closed
  • 8:22 am: 2 and 3 subways at 60 Wall reported open.
  • 8:14 am: march continues to grow, "people pouring into street"
  • 8:05 am: police lines reported permeable
  • 7:57 am: marchers taking both sides of streets amidst heavy police and media presence.
  • 7:51 am: march estimated in thousands

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Phone

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[-] 6 points by aniadrift (17) 2 years ago

Sorry for gushing, but I feel the need to right now. When the mass evictions started happening, I was filled with a sense of despair. Now that I see this, that despair has been replaced with inspiration. My heart bursts with it. I want you people to know, all of you who have been in the streets fighting, that you have given me hope for the country that I never thought I would have before. That before this movement started, I was one of the apathetic, ready to give up on the system and just try to leave the country as soon as possible. That because of your movement, I am now alive again, ready to fight for my country, ready to change this corrupt system. That because you have done this for me, I know you have done this for millions of others as well. People will tell you that you fight in vain, that you are accomplishing nothing, that you have no direction, that your actions are pointless. But your actions are far from this. You have destroyed the greatest enemy to freedom, and the greatest ally of the ruling class: Apathy.

I see these people out in the streets and I know now that this movement cannot be stopped. That this is the climax of a decades-long battle for the soul of humanity itself. Cynics will laugh at me for saying this, and the loyalists will call me a dirty hippie and a criminal and all the other things they have grown fond of calling us. But these people do not matter. To history, they will be irrelevant. To history, there is only you. Ignore the loyalists, ignore the cynics, keep fighting. Shut them down. Shut the entire god damn system down. No one can stop this. I love you all.

[-] 6 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Amen to this! My hometown has been slowly dismantled and was put on the path to eternal poverty after NAFTA passed in '94. I've been waiting over 15 years for a chance to challenge the injustice of a system that has made us poorer than our counterparts in the 70's.

Though not much has changed physically yet, this is now a future. OWS has shown that we CAN fight back. We are all responsible for our own actions, so do what is right and to hell with what other people think is possible.

[-] 2 points by the4thofjuly (32) 2 years ago

well said! i have always had a sense of unfulfillment living in this late capitalist world. it was an unfulfillment that i tried to dull, to replace with commodity consumption. i tried to buy into the capitalist status game. it was very "uncool" to think societal change was possible. better to just be a spectator to the politcal arena. but now, that's all changing. it's only a tiny spark at the moment- let's get this fire raging.

[-] 2 points by Zendude (75) from New York, NY 2 years ago

From every tiny spark of light, a super nova.

All for one, once and for all!

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

I gotta go lay a fire in the masonry heater I built awhile back. Not convenient like a wall thermostat, but when you start with tinder, add split kindling, then split logs, it only takes one match. Since the fire is contained in a small firebrick firebox, and the chimney is 36' tall so there is plenty of draft, the fire burns clean and hot - 800*F. Of course this is ideal conditions for a literal fire; and the ideal conditions for the metaphoric global revolution are being created by the 1%. They are not reducing the number of problems, they are adding to them. No one is forceing them to create ideal conditions for global revolution, we all in the 99% want them to stop. Stopping is just not something they are capable of. If only they would prove me wrong!

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

"What you should do is exactly the kinds of things that are going to lead to hysteria among privileged and powerful people" - Noam Chomsky

Wish I could be there with you. Keep on fighting! Solidarity from Norway struggleforfreedom

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[-] -3 points by letsallspeaktruth12 (9) 2 years ago

if you had a better family structure you would not need a cult...sad, very sad

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Oh yes, it is so horrible for people to not accept the declining conditions of their country.

Why, they should be happy with sky-rocketing unemployment, the lack of decent health care for tens of millions of Americans, and the lack of basic values in a country founded on life, liberty, and justice.

I guess when you're lookout out at the world from within your Cult of the Dollar, everyone else looks like they're in a cult.

[-] 6 points by Kaneblues (3) 2 years ago

Disrupt their daily lives. Make them uncomforta­ble. Make them dread each day as they have to fight through the crowds of people as they go to work. Make them sit in traffic. Make them stand in line. Pound the drums and repeat the chants so that they hear it in their sleep. Inconvenie­nce those who are never inconvenie­nced. Occupy their streets. Occupy their work place. Occupy their minds.

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[-] 6 points by samplocracy (26) 2 years ago

occupy the usa before the nominate a senator for life to rule the country just like the did in italy.... i shit you not - mario monti was just made a senator for life, and he was never elected to office! if the banks have their way we will all be ruled by dictators.... i've just set up a blog about direct democracy designs and economics... have a look if you want.... samplocracy.wordpress.com

[-] 5 points by Econome (20) 2 years ago

Wow, this is big. Keep it up. We'll do the same in Boston.

[-] 5 points by deadlox (8) 2 years ago

8:29 am: 2 and 3 subways at 60 Wall now reported closed

8:22 am: 2 and 3 subways at 60 Wall reported open.

-Right here is where I get worried. You don't ingratiate yourself with the common folk when you make their commute impossible. I'm all for blocking streets in the financial district, but to shut down subway transportation (I'm not a New Yorker, but it seems like that's the way a majority of locals travel on daily commutes) seems counter to the goal of making the common folk aware of the problems that are effecting the world (the reasons that they're going to work, busting their asses to the best of their ability, doing everything they can and still existing just one mistake away from losing their homes, their lifestyle, and their self-respect). If anyone is reading this from a mobile on/near the subways, an idea: get a majority of the contingent there to go join the rest of the protest, leaving a smaller number of volunteers to conduct GA-style discussion of some problems (concrete ones) that have been brought to your attention in the course of what you've learned over the last two months and/or you've had personal experience with- enough to bring attention to yourselves, but not impede people from getting to work. Think about it this way: people can't hear your message when they can't get to your arena. Do this simple re-org, and the subways will be a much more effective medium.

[-] 6 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Excerpt from The Transition Phase: The Road To Freedom:

"We should also bare in mind that in any stage of this struggle for a free democratic society we have to expect lots of opposition from the elites and their supporters and servants. Not only do we have to expect and prepare ourselves for media-propaganda, we also have to expect more police brutality. Its a natural reaction of the finacial elite who will become more and more scared of the movement(s) as they grow. The state and government are often very servile to the wealthy finacial elite, especially in the US where the wealthy more or less control policies. The police is a tool of the business-run, or business-influenced state to try to crush the ones who want to take back from the wealthy what has been stolen thru bailouts, exploitation and speculation at the stock exchange. The elites are starting to feel threatened, they want to keep all that they have stolen, so naturally they want to stop The Occupy Movement and anyone else involved in the struggle with police force. These tendencies are however an indcation that we´re on the right track: The elites are getting scared, and react by increasing their effort in trying to crush movements. The finacial elite will however fail. Police brutality is counter-productive, it just leads to more support and sympathy for people engaged in the struggle among the general population."

"What you should do is exactly the kinds of things that are going to lead to hysteria among privileged and powerful people" - Noam Chomsky

Wish I could be there with you. Keep on fighting! Solidarity from Norway struggleforfreedom

[-] 0 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

Drop that Noam Chomsky trash and read The Road to Serfdom.

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[-] 0 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

Dude, you're in Sweden. What do you know about it?

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

That would be Norway. Was the Soviet Union tyranny?

[-] 0 points by korzib9 (80) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

Is that a joke? Yes, the Soviet Union was tyranny. Suppression of dissent, religion, deep state security apparatus, fake elections...

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

It was a question for AuditElmerfudd to show that you dont have to have experinced tyranny to know it.

[-] 0 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

Then your response is even more confusing.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Was the S.Union tyranny in your opinon? If yes, how would you know anything about it, you ve never been there (using your logic)

[-] 1 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

By accounts of first-hand experiences, of course it was.

Now, what does all of this diversionary hand waving with the Soviet Union have to do with Noam Chomsky being a socialist?

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Nothing. It has to do with you pointing out that by living in Norway I wouldn´t know anything about private tyranny/US capitalism. Showing how illogical this is I asked you if you thought SU was tyranny

[-] 1 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

Define "private tyranny". There is no such thing.

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 2 years ago

Feudalism, for example, is a system based on private tyranny. All law derives from the strength of those who own all property.

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[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 2 years ago

The Road to Serfdom? Let's see. Hayek loved the Pinochet government and wrote positively about fascist Portugal, Mises was in the pockets of Mussolini and Dolfuss.

I don't see what the invisible fist of the market has to do with freedom. Also Hayek got regularly owned in economic debates because he didn't believe in mathematics or empiricism, but in pulling shit out of his ass.

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 2 years ago

lol, because clearly a blog that's a LvM fanclub would admit it. You do realize that you have no way to defend Hayek here also.

Ludwig von Mises was an adviser to the Dolfuss administration. He ran the austrian chamber of commerce until the nazis ran him out; not because they were anticapitalist, but because of Mises' ethnicity.

[-] 0 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

Your lame attempt to paint him as either a Nazi or pal of Mussolini is weak and transparent. Also, the "blog" you refer to is the respected Mises Institute.

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 2 years ago

I didnt say Nazi. Note how I mentioned that he did have to run away from the nazis.

The Mises institute is not respected in any way, shape or form. It's as demented as the person it's a fan club of.

[-] 1 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

Not to upend your personal biases, but yes it is a highly respected organization.

[+] -5 points by lecorsaire (25) 2 years ago

Noam Chomsky a psycho left extremist. This movement needs to be shut down. The hell with the 1st amendment. Just shut it down!

[-] 4 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

No arguments to back your claims, and advocating for abolishing the freedom of speech and protest. Now, who´s the psycho...

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[-] 1 points by Riceball (9) 2 years ago

You infringe my first amendment rights i have dozens of brothers willing to excercise our second ammendment rights to reverse it

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[-] 5 points by bjanarch (23) 2 years ago

My understanding of this is that the police shut down the subways. Occupy The Subways (the intent of which is not to shut down the transit, but to spread ideas to it. I don't fully agree with the plan) is not planned for until much later. The police shut down the subways percisely for the reason that you said: "people can't hear your message when they can't get to your arena.". They did the same thing on Tuesday night when they raided the camp and there were mass calls for support.

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[-] -1 points by Glaucon (296) 2 years ago

Your argument doesn't make sense. If the subway protests were only planned for later in the afternoon (3pm), why would police shut down the subway in the morning. Accusing them of doing this to shut down the message is ridiculous. They know the message cannot be shut down, and I don't think they every tried to shut down anybody. People camped in Zuccotti for two months. They had plenty of time to share whatever message they wanted, and they can still protest whenever they want.

The reason they shut down the subway is because the idea is extremely dangerous. If the situation becomes agitated underground and people are trapped there it could turn out very bad. It's the most dangerous place to Occupy. I don't see any problems with the Police doing this. it seems like the best decision. They should shut down the subway all day and ask the protesters to make their protest elsewhere.

Protesters should not force people to listen to them by making roadblocks or invading the subway, they should organize protests and discussions in public spaces that aren't in the way of people's lives and let the people who are interested come to them. Sooner or later, people are going to hate them just like they hate the Jehovah witness who Occupy's their doorstep.

[-] 5 points by bjanarch (23) 2 years ago

There's no argument. I'm just saying that the occupiers weren't shutting down the subway. I don't agree with the occupy the subway plan. I think it's a bad idea as well. My understanding of the situation earlier in the morning is that the police had shutdown the subways, not in order to stop occupy the subways, but in order to stifle the flow of people joining the protest downtown

[-] 2 points by Glaucon (296) 2 years ago

OK. I see your point. It makes sense.

[-] 2 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

It's the COPS who've reportedly shut down the subway in order to curtail the pedestrian traffic (i.e., protesters) arriving to take part in the protest on Wall St. this morning.

We're watching you in Alaska OWS.! Make us proud!! Non-violent, and steadfast!! "We shall oversome!!"

[-] 4 points by sandasculptorNYC (12) 2 years ago

I just want to point out that is standard procedure by NYPD for some years to keep people away during demonstrations. Never happened in the demonstrations of the 1960s. Other NYPD tactics used now were used then, such as forcing people into a side street, jam packed bodies, then marching horses into the crowd. I experienced being close up to NYPD horse rider pushing into dense crowd during an AntiVietnam war protest in about 1968 on a side street in the 30's between Broadway and 7th Avenue. And barricades, pens were NOT used then. Yes, I'm older, near 72 and ill, not able to demonstrate now.

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[-] 5 points by sandasculptorNYC (12) 2 years ago

Good luck. Am unable to attend. With you in spirit.

[-] 5 points by paranonymous (2) 2 years ago

hell yes. I will be there soon. This is epic and beautiful.

[-] 4 points by occupyanoccupation (9) 2 years ago

This first ustream guy is hilarioius. 'This is very intense" (people are just standing around) "Wow, this is intense" (While protesters protect flowers)

Pure entertainment.

[-] 4 points by Comeonnow (4) 2 years ago

Funny, someone removed the correction about the opening bell being delayed...For clarification, it wasn't.

10:16 am: via people's mic: protestors converging in victory march to Liberty Square to celebrate 15 minute delay of NYSE opening bell.

This clearly isn't about truth. There's as much propaganda here as anywhere else.

[-] 4 points by theredsandrevolt (23) from Garwood, NJ 2 years ago

Can we get Anonymous involved to help us out? Team up with them? How about Wikileaks as well?

[-] 4 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

A discussion whether to go back to Wall St or stay and "keep" the park??? Is this movement about stopping the corruption or is it about your desire to stay in Zuccotti Park????

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

The park serves as a badly needed public space for public discussion. It is an issue, but not the only issue. A large component of the movement is to raise public awareness and encourage debate among the public.

So is the removal of a forum and symbol of public debate important? Of course it is. Is a single park the point of the movement? Of course not.

I don't see why anyone could be confused about this, it's not hard to understand.

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

I'm not confused at all just completely disgusted...... the authorities can read this movement like a book. They took OWS's focus off of the actual protest by opening the park, knowing that the protesters would flood the park. What could have been a coup for the movement has become a complete failure.

[-] 2 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

As long as people are discussing actual policy and looking at our country with a critical eye and envisioning a better future, the movement is succeeding. The protesters know the park is a symbol, and the mainstream media is obsessed with it, but all around the country brother is talking with brother, student with teacher, co-worker with co-worker.

Those who are still distracted are focusing on things like sex scandals and which flavor of the Corporate party to vote for.

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

Quite honestly I don't think they are discussing policy.... they are discussing the actions of the OWS and what many people see as a "failure to communicate".

I don't think OWS realizes how many everyday people have no idea what OWS is even about.

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

You don't think everyday people know the meaning of the words "Economic Injustice"?

Or is it the tee-vee opinionators who don't know?

Or is it you don't agree that's what it is about?

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

I think I was pretty clear in what I said. I have kept up with this movement from the beginning. While I support the reasons OWS was formed I don't agree with the way they are going about trying to achieve "economic justice". And economic justice means different things to different people.

As far as your "tee-vee" question goes, I have no idea, haven't watched any of it all day, was no use, "they" rarely cover it, and when they do it's awfully hard to draw an opinion for a 60 second spot showing nothing but a bunch of people milling around.

In spite of what you might think OWS is not the most important thing many people have to think about.

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

"Wall St isn't going to stop doing what out politicians have made possible for them to do." Well said! Perhaps various tactics will be necessary to change from the politicians we have to ones who will make it impossible for Wall Street to do the Global Financial Casino they have been. Perhaps OWS is one facet of the question, "how do we leave the world a better place for generations to come?" or since that may be impossible at this point, "how do we stop, or resist Big Money from corrupting the politics of this country we love? I'm not at all convinced OWS is the only way, or the best way, or a way I'm committing to. Perhaps individual non-violent resistance - that is, not contributing to the problems created by Multi-National Corporations, by weaning myself from the corporate tit, is enough for me, since that's what I've done for the past twenty years. Still, is that enough? The TV question refers to a comic strip by tom tomorrow, where a "network anchor" asks a protester what their demands are, and the protester keep repeating "economic injustice", but the words never make it through the "interviewers' " thick head bone. It seems so apt, and funny.

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

As I said to others Washington is very relieved that OWS has not turned it's focus on them. As long as they continue to rail against an entity that has no reason or will to change it takes the heat off of our representatives. And during an election year I am sure the DC elite are very happy about that.

Protests do serve a good purpose, but at some point protests must turn to actual work in order to affect real change, something that OWS hasn't managed to do except when it comes to organizing their "community" and special interests.

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

That really isn't their fault. Anyone who has been there can read signs, and to be honest, if people can't figure out what's wrong, it's pretty sad.

Most people have only the mainstream corporate media to feed them information, which discredits the movement as being "directionless". There is nothing the protesters can do to get the media to communicate with the nation, they will always be called a "mob", "communists", "hippies", or whatever.

The location alone should speak for itself. That's the beauty of it all. The location alone tells us that we know that the problems of the nation are largely caused by Wall Street. A private set of institutions that can buy our politicians with unlimited campaign cash and get their way in direct opposition to the general public.

As people used to say a few years back, "Wall Street got bailed out, We Got Sold Out". Or as the presidential candidates used to say, "We want to help Main Street, not Wall Street." If Americans can't remember things as recently as two years back, then you are right, the movement is a direction-less mob.

Most Americans aren't stupid. They know exactly what happened, not just 2 years ago, but over the past 30 years. Anyone who is paying attention should know exactly what this is about from the name alone, "Occupy Wall Street".

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

You made one statement "as the presidential candidates used to say, "We want to help Main Street, not Wall Street."

That should say it all..... if we want to stop Wall St's influence then we need to put in office people that will actually do that. Electing the same fools over and over and over, only perpetuates the corruption. Wall St isn't going to stop doing what out politicians have made possible for them to do.

[-] 0 points by zucnei (103) 2 years ago

Unfortunately - after about mid-October - it became about the later...

[-] 2 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

Certainly appears that way. If that is the case today is a big failure.

[-] 4 points by robinhoo (2) 2 years ago

don't get embattled with any particular poster who wants your attention and anger. giving any of your energy to them distracts our main point. HE IS BEING PAID to post absurd, engaging and angering stuff. IGNORE stupid comments, don't try to disagree..

[-] 2 points by JProffitt71 (222) from Colorado Springs, CO 2 years ago

We shouldn't close them all out though. We have to be dynamic, constantly adapting to better serve the 99%. Else we will alienate the people we need.

[-] 0 points by workhardplayhard (33) 2 years ago

how come people who disagree with your views are "paid posters"? where are these jobs that actually pay people to post on the internet?

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

American Majority is one example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGB8Uuffi4M

There are many more, but after the 2010 Citizens United v. FEC ruling, corporations now have no requirement to disclose their political spending. So unfortunately, we have no idea who or what groups are filling the role that used to be done by groups like American Majority.

[-] 4 points by mocracy (27) 2 years ago

Both Barrels: Occupy Inboxes – NY, GA, CA,

In solidarity with “EVICTED 'OCCUPY”s in:

NEW YORK CITY

ATLANTA

OAKLAND

You and 10 of your friends send a daily e-mail to OCCUPY the INBOXs of city officials that have been inhospitable to the Occupy Movement.

Only e-mail any single officer holder or office once every 24 hours!

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg City Hall New York, NY 10007 E-MAIL: http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html

Kasim Reed Mayor City of Atlanta 55 Trinity Avenue Atlanta, Georgia 30303 E-MAIL: mayorreed@atlantaga.gov

Office of Oakland Mayor Jean Quan Oakland City Hall 1 Frank H. Ogawa Plaza Oakland, CA 94612 E-MAIL: http://www.oaklandnet.com/contactmayor.asp

The purpose is to show the intent and intensity of the Occupy Movement not to show off the intent or intensity of any given protester.

If there is a quantitative affect on their servers that effects the normal operation of their communications let it be because they received a number of e-mails from different protesters rather than it be because you sent any one officer holder or office a number of e-mails on the same day.

Respecting first responders and public safety, do not send e-mails directly to officer holders or offices such as the police, fire department nor emergency and ambulatory agents or services.

PLEASE ONLY REPLY TO THIS POST WITH THE EMAIL ADDRESS OR EMAIL LINK OF A CITY OFFICIAL OF A CITY THAT HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN ACTION TO EVICT AN OCCUPY!

[-] 4 points by Socrates469bc (608) from New York, NY 2 years ago

You are heroes!

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[-] 4 points by healinG0dess (11) 2 years ago

non violent protest justice

be the peace u want tho see

[-] 0 points by vets74 (344) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Any account "dislike" that one, you know it's a rightie shill.

[-] 2 points by healinG0dess (11) 2 years ago

i was there sat in meditation and ga "s i brought my son to see democracy in action i m no 'rightie' be the peace

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[-] 3 points by arealpolitik (154) 2 years ago

Don't they understand... Moving barriers, sitting in streets, shoving police, it is playing into the hands of those that do not want OWS to succeed...

Remain peaceful at all cost...

Even CNN is reporting that OWS is turning violent.

Don't be stupid. Get mad but stay peaceful...

[-] 3 points by airplaneradio (50) 2 years ago

These news stories are totally biased. I actually have empathy with this movement in several ways but lying and trying to look good and victorious when you weren't is very lame.

[-] 3 points by tacamojoe (18) 2 years ago

Wow...you people are so inspiring to me! You have my support and prayers from Fargo North Dakota! I wish I was able to be their with you.

Dan - 99%er!

[-] 3 points by zucnei (103) 2 years ago

"9:11 am: opening bell delayed!"

Is it seriously possible that this mass action was planned without people even knowing that trading starts at 9:30? I looked back over the schedules and it really seems like that was the case.

If that is true - that OWS asked hundreds of people to come down, put their own safety, the police's safety, and the lives of thousand of bystanders at risk for the purpose of shutting NYSE down without even knowing when trading starts - then that is embarrassing.

If you cannot bother to look into this basic fact, why should we trust your research on more complex issues? This sloppiness of research - despite airs of academic authority and nonstop lecturing - is becoming a trademark. Of course, the inflation of the number of people involved today has already begun on this site...

[-] 7 points by zucnei (103) 2 years ago

"10:16 am: via people's mic: protestors converging in victory march to Liberty Square to celebrate 15 minute delay of NYSE opening bell."

The market opened on time - are you gathering to celebrate something that did not actually happen?

[-] 1 points by JProffitt71 (222) from Colorado Springs, CO 2 years ago

I am curious how this happened.

[-] 6 points by zucnei (103) 2 years ago

Its the sort of thing that turns me off. Part of why people want alternatives is because they felt lied to by people in power. Misrepresenting the truth at such a basic level is not going to help anything and just makes you seem like another part of the problem.

[-] 2 points by jklemm2000 (0) 2 years ago

They are a huge problem. They think they are making progress with civil disobedience and all that jazz but they are only creating problems for people that want to go to work instead of sitting in a park living in filth. The OWS movement or disorganization is a waste of time and a huge waste of the police departments time.

[-] 2 points by JProffitt71 (222) from Colorado Springs, CO 2 years ago

I understand, and agree. I hope this will be a learning experience for OWS, else it might very well become another "lesser of two evils." We can't afford for this to become benign.

[-] 4 points by Jimmy44 (-57) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Too late. Many of the 99% are now seeing these protestors as unemployed uninformed violent entitlement whiners, and now liars as well with this 15 minute delay bs. Blocking subways for users they are supposed to be representing also was a stupid move. Now the protestors are resented by many they claim to represent. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[-] 3 points by naguagutaktak (4) 2 years ago

It's death by 1000 cuts of propaganda, really. The signal to noise ratio in the media is much higher than in any feed or livestream. Doesn't help that they prohibit news people from getting involved, but, hey, as long as the approved message gets out, who cares?

[-] 1 points by jklemm2000 (0) 2 years ago

Its a bunch of homeless bums and uninformed shitheads.

[-] 1 points by flang23 (47) 2 years ago

Truly very sloppy. I saw many protesters running up Broadway trying to get to Wall St before 9AM. They were unaware of the fact that NYSE trading starts at 9:30 and that specialists / brokers are in the building @ 7:30AM. Embarrassing. Rule #1 is know your enemy and they know nothing.

[-] 1 points by SayNO2GovInc (99) 2 years ago

There are much BIGGER things happening here and more important things to complain about... like all the Rights violated, over and over, and the fact police are continually beating UNARMED Peaceful PEOPLE.

To err is human! However, Different exchanges will have different opening times. For instance, the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) and the Nasdaq open at 9.30am EST, whereas the American Stock Exchange (AMEX) opens at 9am EST for options on debt securities.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/open.asp#ixzz1dzjGWqDW

[-] 1 points by flang23 (47) 2 years ago

If you can't even get this right, why should we listen to you?

[-] 1 points by zucnei (103) 2 years ago

1) The march was on NYSE which starts at 9:30, that was clearly the bell they were referring to. (AMEX no longer exists btw - it merged with NYSE and now also starts at 9:30, your link is outdated).

2) This mass action put the safety of many people at risk. I was there - it could have been a lot worse than it was. To get such basic, easily obtainable info wrong, is a big problem and could have resulted in people being seriously injured.

3) OWS claims to be a group dedicated to reforming the financial system. Many of them proffer themselves as, effectively, experts on it. To not know such a basic, well known, easily obtainable piece of info speaks to credibility. When people in the group started, at 9:15, celebrating that the opening bell of NYSE had been delayed, there was a lot of laughter directed at the protestors.

[-] 1 points by SayNO2GovInc (99) 2 years ago

The point was, there are more important things that picking on what could be an honest mistake. What about all the solidarity... 30,000+ people... or the violence against PEACEFUL people on this day. If it was an intentional lie, we need to know who is responsible; question the credibility of that person, not an entire movement. Always beware of infiltrates. The masses are put at risk by police violence, not by people gathering and exercising their First Amendment! Don't blame the People! I'm glad so many people are finally standing up. Americans need to see America IS CLOSING DOWN! Wall St crooks are off the hook because the so-called 'Justice Dept' allows the financial companies to investigate and report their own crimes. See the difference in how the law-abiding 99% are treated?! zucnei, You said, "misrepresenting the truth", like it was intentional, like the lies "by people in power" Get real! It is hardly comparable to the lies we hear from the people in power or their propaganda media! Their lies get thousands of people killed. I hope it was an honest mistake, learn to double check and move on, no big deal, so what. . Any intentional lie is a problem. It's a disservice to OWS as it would easily be shown to be wrong, like you said, easily obtainable info, so pointless unless the intention was to make OWS look bad. They really need to know who is responsible. There is enough of that coming from the many trolls on this site, trashing from MSM and just ignorant people brainwashed by propaganda from MSM.

[-] 2 points by FUWB14 (3) 2 years ago

"Ignorant people brainwashed by propaganda"...

This is the issue with the tone of many within the OWS movement. The tone adopted is that of subject matter experts, dare I say elitist, and very much implies benevolent enlightenment, the appearance that you freedom fighters are looking out for the uneducated, do-not-know-better masses.

But then we see egregious breaches in your aura of expertise when the collective movement schedules a massive demonstration and declares moral victories without an understanding of simple facts, like when the market opens.

[-] 0 points by zucnei (103) 2 years ago

This action caused multiple very narrow streets to be clogged for something where the time was wrong, which then caused confusion which was awkward and potentially dangerous, for the protestors and the public, even without the police. And they were wrong on a basic fact about the financial markets they are protesting, so it speaks to credibility.

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[-] 3 points by Socrates469bc (608) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Bloomberg Must GO!

[-] 2 points by cmd1095 (7) 2 years ago

I'm reading these comments and all that I see is arguing over minor details when the only information we can get is what can be obtained through asking people on the outside of the barricade, since reporters can't get through and the people who know what's going on are the ones inside being locked in

Accept that these minor details are going to be wrong a lot of times and focus on the major issue that this brings up.

According to our basic rights, we have the right to assemble peacefully and protest. This right has likely been violated before, but still. The first time there is a large scale protest against the corrupt and greedy rich people who are in power is also the first time we hear about our right to assemble being violated. Coincidence? I think not. According to some of these live streams the protesting citizens have been locked in and are now being beaten with batons! WE did not start this violence, the corrupt government did because we DARED to stand up to them!

I can't find the words to describe the full extent of what this means. It means the government is basically saying "We'll let you have some rights, but if you ever oppose us trying to abuse our power and increase the gap between rich and poor we will not hesitate to remove them."

The government has played their hand now, they will do ANYTHING to keep their wealth and power, and that includes beating helpless unarmed people who oppose them. How long do you think it'll be until the "beating with batons" turns into "shooting with guns?"

THAT is what you should be talking about, these stupid minor details mean NOTHING when the government has effectively declared WAR on the common man!

[-] 2 points by dumbprotesters (3) 2 years ago

I used to support this cause but I just can't anymore. All I see is lies. The opening bell opened on time. Stop reporting something that didn't happen. It makes you look like idiots. And to block people from getting to work is insulting. You are just hurting the 99% you are supposedly representing. Just because someones office is near Wallstreet does not mean they work for a big corporation and it certainly doesn't mean they are the 1%. What idiots.

[-] 1 points by jdnreha (85) 2 years ago

Whats even funnier is that most of the "1%" dont live / work / or even visit Wallstreet

[-] 1 points by naguagutaktak (4) 2 years ago

Please define civil disobedience.

[-] 2 points by RubyQ (2) 2 years ago

You guys are disgusting ~ what untruth you spew~ your violent as well and it makes me sick. Get a focus, stop interferring in the 99% ability to get to work because we do (at least some of us) have jobs. need to pay our way through life. Unbelieveably selfish.

[-] 2 points by runkle (4) 2 years ago

I just read an article reporting the series of business meetings held by OWS organizers at 60 Wall St.

I thought this was supposed to be a socialist movement, powered by the people and most importantly, directed and operated by the people. If we are the 99%, how come only 1% of us has the decision making authority? This tells me that your whole leaderless claim is a sham, and I believe that you are starting to understand that any community requires some level of coordination and organization from an empowered minority. So just as in our society, your micro society appears to have 1% of the group calling all of the shots... unfortunately that's just life.

Oh and also, what is all this crap about a couple thousand people claiming to represent 99% of a city with over 8 million, or a nation with over 300 million? If you really represent the interests and wishes of the "99%", shouldn't there be a few million people joining you at Wall St. this morning?

The fact that the movement has so far only had a few thousand people physically attend demonstrates to me that you dont represent the 99% of this city, but rather about .0001%, and therefore you are effectively attempting to steal parts of this beautiful city from us. Not from the 1%, but from the 100% that live and work here.

I agree with your message, the financial industry is in need of reform. There is no doubt about that. But to label the proud men and women of our NYPD as a private army of Mayor Bloomberg is not only delusional, its simply disrespectful. If the few thousand of you want the respect from the true 99% (i.e. 7.5 million or so New Yorkers that ACTUALLY make up 99% of the wealth distribution) stop interfering with our business, stop demonizing the people that are, and have always been, working to make this a better city, and do a better job of sending a message that accurately reflect the opinions of the people. You have taken a license to speak for me without my authority, and I do not agree with what you say nor do I agree with how you are saying it.

I am ONE member of the so-called 99%. You can call Mayor Bloomberg your mortal enemy all you want, but the fact of the matter is: the NYPD was ordered to clear you all out of Zucotti because we, the people, wanted you out. We are the 99%, and we have jobs and shit to do. Why don't you join us?

[-] 1 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

Incidentally, there are more than 360 million Americans now, not 300 million. 300 million was the "official" number 40-some odd years ago.

[-] 4 points by korzib9 (80) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

Incidentally you are wrong. The population is roughly 310 million. In 1970 (40 years ago) the population was 203 million.

[-] 2 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

I was mistaken and I admit it. Thanks... now I wonder where I saw that 360 mil figure!

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

[-] 3 points by korzib9 (80) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

No clue, but thank you for admitting being wrong. It is unusual in internet forums. Btw, there is no point in arguing with the Chomskyite. He is a propagandist dreamer, not a details person. He doesn't even bother thinking about the stuff he posts and just provides links back to Chomsky videos.

[-] 3 points by Weareweare (3) 2 years ago

Good points here. I don't understand why the person that commented only talks about one piece of data- that does not matter what about everything else they have to say? I do not agree with how this protest is going, but have been supportive of other actions of OWS. The protest really is becoming an interference for those who do have jobs, even for those trying to make ends meet. I completely agree with what OWS stands for; however, what they are doing here is only hurting our economy even further. This is not enough for a change, but enough to disrupt the peace. Not only does the whole protest seem disorganized, but I truly believe most of the protesters are there just to be there. By sitting around and protesting this holds our entire nation back; protesting won't be enough to fix such a huge issue. Sure "corporations" see this, but I bet they are only laughing. I truly believe protesters need to rethink strategies and push for something greater or go home and not waste our police force when citizens need their help.

[-] 2 points by runkle (4) 2 years ago

@korzib9 Incidentally you are also incorrect. The population is roughly 312 million people. But as someone mentioned, that is entirely besides the point.

Thank you for getting my point though, as it has absolutely nothing to do with the exact number of people in this country. I was simply trying to illustrate the fact that 5,000 is not 99% of 312 million.

The cops that you are demonizing are in that 99%. The Brookfield employees that cleaned Zucotti after Bloomberg's mercanairies cleared you out are part of the 99%. I am also part of the 99%.

So my point is, you are all not the 99%, but rather a part of the 99% (and a small part at that). Please to claim to represent 300 million people, because it is becoming increasingly apparent that not all of us agree with you. This is America. Speak for yourself, fight for what is right, and demand the changes that you want. That is your first amendment right. Speaking for me isn't. Starting riots, stopping traffic, and blaming the police for removing you shanty town from someone else's PRIVATE property is also not a right. You have every right to bang drums and get all angry about something, but please stop including me in this.

[-] 1 points by korzib9 (80) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

People who run things understand that organization, leadership and goals are essential ingredients to get anything substantial accomplished. They laugh at this protest because in its current state it is capable of doing not much more than getting cops paid overtime. There is no constructive message, no goals, no leaders, no organization. It is a joke.

[-] 1 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

Thanks again.

[-] 2 points by letsallspeaktruth12 (9) 2 years ago

you changed the streams of texts above...you had the opening bell ringing on time, which it did, then you removed it...you are rewriting history...so much for the truth

[-] 4 points by Jimmy44 (-57) from New York, NY 2 years ago

First the auther said at 9:11am they delayed the ringing, even though it wasn't due to ring until 9:30am. Then at 9:30am they published the bell rang on time (which it did). At 10:16am they deleted the 9:30am post and wrote that they delayed the bell by 15 minutes, which is a total lie. It is exactly this sort of bs that has caused many people to lose any respect for these protestors. Many of the 99% look at these protestors now as a bunch of unemployed uninformed violent entitlement babies.

[-] 0 points by Occupiedurmotherlastnite (3) 2 years ago

OWS is a joke. At first I liked what they were doing and now after more indepth review they have no idea what is going on in the world. Clueless and just fools without a pot to piss in. Because of what i saw.. I realized i need to get back to school and study harder so i don't be like these sorry losers just looking for hand outs.

Makes me even want to change majors to finance and try to get a job on Wall Street.

[-] 2 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

Get on the gravytrain where the clues fall like crumbs on the floor. The "winners" will pat you on the head, and housetrain you. Study hard so you know the propaganda line - even how to write it yourself! Forget about standing by your words, because there's no profit in that. Just remember, the next time the banks go bust and want a $700,000,000,000.00 handout - I mean bailout, it won't be possible.

[-] 1 points by Occupiedurmotherlastnite (3) 2 years ago

Funny that those banks took the hand out and paid it bank plus interest and dividends and the U.S. made a ton of money off our our tax payers money but did we get some of the profit? no we did not! Tax payers' money my ass. F U Obama! U used us to get our votes b/c there are more voters that are not rich and used us for you gain and you divided the country and created this nightmare! The country is worst off now then before u came into office! The govt took my money and made even more money on it and that was it and it belongs to them not me. So you need to wake the fuck up!

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

Who made the money? Was it: A, the government, or B, the global economy, or C, Goldman-Sachs? If A, did it go to A, pay down the debt, or B reduce the Deficit, or C finance the unfunded Wars, or D, China's Sovereign Wealth Fund, the people keeping America "afloat"? Where did the money come from originally, was it A, The Fed, or B, the Treasury, or C, Congress, or D the American Voter? By the way, you still "own" a percentage in GM. That is to say, they have colonised your mind, and you need to emancipate yourself from mental slavery. How to tell if you have been "programmed" : A, you believe what you hear on TV, and B, you watch TV to relax.

[-] 2 points by occupyanoccupation (9) 2 years ago

There is a "sacred tree" at occupy wall street. Great. I feel better now. Shew.. I was worried.

[-] 2 points by occupyanoccupation (9) 2 years ago

This first ustream guy is hilarioius. 'This is very intense" (people are just standing around) "Wow, this is intense" (While protesters protect flowers)

Pure entertainment.

[-] 2 points by Kevin77 (16) from Groton, CT 2 years ago

What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously this time around.

[-] 2 points by EugeneVDebs (1) 2 years ago

Proposal: Dress like a banker day protest

Dear #OWS:

"On Broad Street, police officers moved metal barricades to allow a police vehicle through. Some protesters shouted 'come on' and began moving quickly toward the opening. Officers shouted 'nobody can come in here,' then closed the barricades again, keeping the crowd from marching toward the stock exchange.

After two men wearing suits were allowed to pass through a police barricade at the corner of Pine and William Streets, one protester said, 'There’s a dress code for this intersection?'" - NYT, 11/17/11

Proposal to OWS, Dress Like a Banker Day Protest. Come to Wall Street Protest dressed like a banker. Protest peaceably, nobly, forcefully, exercise your free speech (and free dress) rights.

Sincerely, Eugene V. Debs

[-] 2 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

Separate the police from one another dissolve or cut off groups of them. Divide and conquer!!! Viva la OWS. They are strong as a group but when it is many protesters against 1 police officer we can non-violently defeat that officer.

[-] 2 points by otheroptato (5) 2 years ago

If they are profiling people based on whether or not they have suits, then let's get some suits over there so they blend in....

[-] 2 points by rebel9999 (24) 2 years ago

Alright folks, it's high time we make this revolution a success by legally shutting down the Wall Street. That is the only way we are going to get those that are financially abusing us from not abusing us anymore. If we legally take hundreds of thousands of people and tie up vehicle traffic, bus traffic, train traffic and pedestrian traffic around the Wall Street Stock Exchange and Wall Street brokers offices we will be able to not let Wall Street opperate. Then we have to legally tie up ALL Wall Street brokers offices, buildings, elevators, phone lines, receptionist and any other way to stop or slow up their ability to work. We have to bring the people that support our revolution from around the nation to Wall Street to concentrate our forces into making this revolution a success! Remember, it's either revolution or else submission ! If they can't get to work and can't work when they get to work then they will have to negotiate with us until we allow them to work! The objective of this revolution MUST be to get laws passed to stop those that are financially abusing us to pass laws, rules, policies and regulations that will stop them from abusing us anymore. Read my web page at www.mybetteramericaplan.com to see ideas on my Current Events section that will show how to legally shut down Wall Street, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Congress and the Republican Convention in Tampa this summer. Also you don't shut down the whole transportation system. You only shut down the areas around the areas that you want to be shut down.

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[-] 2 points by Binay (2) 2 years ago

 NO REFORMATION  NO PROMISES  NO RELIGION  NO LEADERSHIP We need ~ SELF-EMANCIPATION OF OUR CLASS Through ~ Political class struggle, In a peaceful and democratic way, By applying our power of knowledge and number Via ballot in elections, And establishing a ~
 stateless  moneyless  wageless  classless

WORLD SOCIALIST SYSTEM

BASED ON

 UNIVERSAL OWNERSHIP  DEMOCRATIC CONTROL  PRODUCTION FOR USE  FREE ACCESS FOR ALL ACCORDING TO SELF-DEFINED NEEDS

That is the end of unemployment, poverty, famine, environmental destruction, war and terrorism; and beginning of peace, freedom and participatory democracy: The only practical alternative awaits recognition. Socialism needs you – And you need Socialism. Recognize Socialism – Vote only for Socialism.

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[-] 2 points by Riceball (9) 2 years ago

Way cool, now just imagine how much real power all those people have, they outnumber the cops exponentially, imagine if they just overwhelm the cops, like ants on a dying pig on nature channel, overwhelm them, handcuff them with padded handcuffs, sit them down abd give them a box o krispy creames, then start chanting again, they would start with the batons and tear gass and rubber bullets but if 3000 people are up against 400 cops whos got more power.

[-] 1 points by lecorsaire (25) 2 years ago

You realize that if u assault a police officer they have the right to drop you right? They can use deadly force and the nypd is known for using it.

[-] 2 points by Riceball (9) 2 years ago

Oh yes, i know this, but when they simply get overwhelmed amd stomped out, and are shown for what they are ( government thugs ) i wwould bet money that OWS will gain the support of tens of thousands of supporters, look at how many protesters had to die in other countries, do you really think our corrupt government cares about people waving signs?

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[-] 2 points by Adam (116) 2 years ago

Break The Baricades!!! It's YOUR city!!!

[-] 1 points by cmd1095 (7) 2 years ago

my comments, which address the real issue here have been removed yet again it seems, a whole day and they still are missing when other comments have been up within 7 hours

This site is a government weapon to sabotage this movement

[-] 1 points by Rooster8 (49) 2 years ago

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence.

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

-Abraham Lincoln

[-] 1 points by dorjedolma (1) 2 years ago

I can't believe the comments I am reading. Opening bell was delayed. Don't be a sore loser! and, They caused this, have you sen the videos? The police are in the numbers of 5,00 and afraid. They are arresting people, beating them while doing it and you dumb people think they have done something wrong? Last I knew, Wall Street was our Street, not only a street for the rich. AND, that things like sonic weapons have no place on American soil, being used on peaceful protestors!

The reporting in text stops at 12:40, why?

[-] 1 points by ten (1) 2 years ago

Just wanted to say that I can confirm the NYPD selectively deciding which employees could get through, even with ID. I work on Broad St and was at Broad and Beaver at 9. I saw a cop waving a bunch of people in suits through and when I went to follow them, she stopped me and asked for ID. I asked her, "you didn't ask those people for ID, is this just because I'm under 30?" She said "yeah." As I was taking out my ID to show her I said "well that's kind of fucked up." She's immediately taken aback and then suddenly says "okay, this way is closed, you're going to have to go around and find another entrance." I wound up just wandering around for half an hour taking a look at the various blockades before coming back. Wish I could have joined you guys but I had to go to work!

Also, I'm surprised this timeline doesn't include that random crazy asshole throwing punches at the people blocking the Starbucks entrance.

[-] 1 points by jklemm2000 (0) 2 years ago

The opening bell rings at 930AM. All of your efforts were for not. Now it is time to go home or back to your boxes. Get a job and stop complaining about paying taxes, bills, and any other necessary things that people have been doing since the beginning of time.

[-] 1 points by cmd1095 (7) 2 years ago

this will be the third time i post this, It will be removed quickly i;m sure, but hopefully somebody sees it and gets the picture

according to the read the rules link thing there is sometimes a delay between posting and viewing, so maybe my comment will spontaniously appear several times, i hope it does, cause that would mean this site is NOT trying to sabatouge this movement and help that top 1% of the country, however there was a reasonable gap between the first and second time my comment was posted and it should have appeared by now, so here is my third attempt to comment here

I'm reading these comments and all that I see is arguing over minor details when the only information we can get is what can be obtained through asking people on the outside of the barricade, since reporters can't get through and the people who know what's going on are the ones inside being locked in

Accept that these minor details are going to be wrong a lot of times and focus on the major issue that this brings up.

According to our basic rights, we have the right to assemble peacefully and protest. This right has likely been violated before, but still. The first time there is a large scale protest against the corrupt and greedy rich people who are in power is also the first time we hear about our right to assemble being violated. Coincidence? I think not. According to some of these live streams the protesting citizens have been locked in and are now being beaten with batons! WE did not start this violence, the corrupt government did because we DARED to stand up to them!

I can't find the words to describe the full extent of what this means. It means the government is basically saying "We'll let you have some rights, but if you ever oppose us trying to abuse our power and increase the gap between rich and poor we will not hesitate to remove them."

The government has played their hand now, they will do ANYTHING to keep their wealth and power, and that includes beating helpless unarmed people who oppose them. How long do you think it'll be until the "beating with batons" turns into "shooting with guns?"

THAT is what you should be talking about, these stupid minor details mean NOTHING when the government has effectively declared WAR on the common man!

[-] 1 points by SayNO2GovInc (99) 2 years ago

AWESOME show of solidarity today! The oligarchs are working so hard to keep their agenda from being exposed that they are exposing themselves as the Police State of America is no longer hidden. They are solidifying the support and growing the movement... STAY SAFE EVERYONE!!!

To all the negative comments about the opening bell confusion, there are much BIGGER things to worry about. To err is human!

** Different exchanges will have different opening times.** For instance, the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) and the Nasdaq open at 9.30am EST, whereas the American Stock Exchange (AMEX) opens at 9am EST for options on debt securities.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/open.asp#ixzz1dzjGWqDW

THE SAME JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THAT ALLOWS THE FRAUD SUSPECTS OF FINANCIAL COMPANIES TO AVOID INDICTMENTS IF THEY AGREE TO INVESTIGATE AND REPORT THEIR OWN CRIMES JUST SAID THEY WANT TO MAKE LYING ON FACEBOOK A FEDERAL CRIME!!! . I WISH I WAS KIDDING! A FEDERAL CRIME!!!

Shouldn’t they allow ‘THE PEOPLE’ to do the same thing?!

What’s good enough for the 1% bankers is good enough for the 99%, or is it? If the 99% start committing crimes equivalent to crashing the economy, then the Justice Department would have to start telling the 99% robbery suspects to ‘Let us know if you rob’, or 99% murder suspects, ‘Give us a call if you kill.’ They already do that for the 1%, so deferred prosecution for 100% seems only fair.

If the ‘Justice’ Dept really wants to make a federal crime out of HARMLESS key-strokes by the 99%, they should start investigating the 1% banker suspects who use their key-strokes for really BIG crimes!

I don’t see how Big-Brother can keep up with monitoring every computer user in America and it seems irresponsible to trust a liar with the honor system… you know, like trusting frauds to investigate and report their own crimes.

AND WHO SAYS GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WORK FOR THE 99%?!?

SOLIDARITY, SAY NO TO CORPORATE AMERICA!!!

http://saynotocorporateamerica.blogspot.com/

[-] 1 points by cmd1095 (7) 2 years ago

Twice my comment has been deleted, delete my comments as many times as you like you corrupt b@stards, I will not be silenced, I WILL get the message out about what this event TRULY means for our country and this movement, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT

To the people using this site, apparently the point of this site is NOT to allow us to discuss what happens in the movement and what i means, but to allow ONLY the things that make the movement look bad be discussed, while deliberately avoiding the key issues

[-] 1 points by highonrope (4) 2 years ago

Perhaps some one can answer a quick question for me... if the thousands of protestors baricaded inside liberty square are so peaceful, why are there widespread reports of violence inside? Doesn't seem so peaceful, does it?

[-] 1 points by highonrope (4) 2 years ago

What a retarted movement. Maby all of you idiots should focus on shutting down D.C. where the greed really is! Greed in politics is way more dangerous than anything that could ever come from wall street. Or is it that too many laws and lobbiests don't matter as long as your check keeps coming? Maybe pushing for a total restructure of our tax system would be bore relavant to what you puppets need. Maybe if ourgovernment didn't just confiscate our wealth, and let the bureaucrats piss it all away there would be more jobs for the 1% of you who truely want to work. As for the other 99%, perhaps you should spend your time getting tatoos all over your body and piercings all over your face, then cry about corporate america being too greedy to give you a 100k job that you neither qualify for or deserve. Or maybe you should spend a few more years in school using student loans to pay for your new car, your new house, and the rest of your bills, because the last 10 years you wasted in college studying the migratory pattern of the ethiopian elephant roach just wasn't enough (who could ever have predicted that there wouldn't be a market for an ethiopian elephant roach expert when you chose that for your thesis?). Or...maybe you would like to quit living in your imaginary eutopia, throw out all the piercings, cover your tatoos get what ever job you can and join the real world like the rest of us who are stuck supporting your lazy asses. Sooner or later we ALL have to pay taxes.

[-] 1 points by cmd1095 (7) 2 years ago

apparently my comment that was meant to get people to focus on the real problem here has been removed already, while all the meaningless comments that prevent real issues from being discussed remain, seems a bit fishy to me, but I'll repost the comment

I'm reading these comments and all that I see is arguing over minor details when the only information we can get is what can be obtained through asking people on the outside of the barricade, since reporters can't get through and the people who know what's going on are the ones inside being locked in

Accept that these minor details are going to be wrong a lot of times and focus on the major issue that this brings up.

According to our basic rights, we have the right to assemble peacefully and protest. This right has likely been violated before, but still. The first time there is a large scale protest against the corrupt and greedy rich people who are in power is also the first time we hear about our right to assemble being violated. Coincidence? I think not. According to some of these live streams the protesting citizens have been locked in and are now being beaten with batons! WE did not start this violence, the corrupt government did because we DARED to stand up to them!

I can't find the words to describe the full extent of what this means. It means the government is basically saying "We'll let you have some rights, but if you ever oppose us trying to abuse our power and increase the gap between rich and poor we will not hesitate to remove them."

The government has played their hand now, they will do ANYTHING to keep their wealth and power, and that includes beating helpless unarmed people who oppose them. How long do you think it'll be until the "beating with batons" turns into "shooting with guns?"

THAT is what you should be talking about, these stupid minor details mean NOTHING when the government has effectively declared WAR on the common man!

[-] 1 points by highonrope (4) 2 years ago

What a retarted movement. Maby all of you idiots should focus on shutting down D.C. where the greed really is! Greed in politics is way more dangerous than anything that could ever come from wall street. Or is it that too many laws and lobbiests don't matter as long as your check keeps coming? Maybe pushing for a total restructure of our tax system would be bore relavant to what you puppets need. Maybe if ourgovernment didn't just confiscate our wealth, and let the bureaucrats piss it all away there would be more jobs for the 1% of you who truely want to work. As for the other 99%, perhaps you should spend your time getting tatoos all over your body and piercings all over your face, then cry about corporate america being too greedy to give you a 100k job that you neither qualify for or deserve. Or maybe you should spend a few more years in school using student loans to pay for your new car, your new house, and the rest of your bills, because the last 10 years you wasted in college studying the migratory pattern of the ethiopian elephant roach just wasn't enough (who could ever have predicted that there wouldn't be a market for an ethiopian elephant roach expert when you chose that for your thesis?). Or...maybe you would like to quit living in your imaginary eutopia, throw out all the piercings, cover your tatoos get what ever job you can and join the real world like the rest of us who are stuck supporting your lazy asses. Sooner or later we ALL have to pay taxes.

[-] 1 points by Aineen (1) 2 years ago

At this point,OWS is just getting in it's own way and defeating their own purpose, if there ever was one. Ask anyone what is OWS all about and NO ONE knows because OWS has not sent out a clear message. Assemble an hour a day in Zucotti Park and have relevant speakers and people will listen. Impede the way of people trying to feed their families and they will not listen; you're like a swarm of mosquitos. Keep it simple....

[-] 1 points by callingbelgium (2) 2 years ago

Protests in Rome, Milan, Turin, Palermo.

Monti (ex Goldman Sachs) calls for austerity measures but not for cancellation of debt money, nor cancellation of fractional reserve banking by private banks nor cancellation of the issuing of money by the same private banks.

[-] 1 points by karmakills (1) 2 years ago

Occupy Wall Street as it stands right now will not be successful in achieving anything more than mob mentality disruption because they are not giving any suggestions as to what can be done to fix the system they say is broken. They are simply whining about inequality and spending their days protesting which is both bad for the economy and most of their wallets. You cannot fix something that is broken by yelling at it you need to bring solid ideas to the table that are within reason. They must also acknowledge that what their arguing for is a serious step towards socialism. I also think its fair to say most if not all of the protesters are not the actual 99%. The 99% Is working or looking for work so they can pay their bills and feed their families they do not have the luxury of sitting out in the streets acting like morons day in and day out. If there is any chance OWS can affect the Legal framework of this nation it needs a mission statement on its goals and means of achieving them.

[-] 1 points by ifeelhome (5) 2 years ago

Dear OWS: I believe that while your demonstrations are newsworthy, I don't believe your message is. Your protests are beginning to look more like a study in contagion theory than an effective means of change - losing touch with why you're doing what you're doing in the first place. It's no longer about the cause - it's about you against the [NY]PD.

You're a crowd, reacting no longer to the cause, but to the immediate receptions of your actions.

If you want to effect change, I urge you to focus focus focus your message and ensure it is disseminated so EVERYONE is speaking the same language. Combine this with an unwavering effort to stick by this message - now that's something I can get behind.

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

(12:06 PM) Van Jones on CNN talking about the movement as "We want this" and WE wand that" Since when is Van Jones the spokesperson for OWS?

[-] 1 points by Danimal98367 (188) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

If you look at the organizations that are paying for food and producing plans for things like N17 (today) and making/providing "helpful" literature; you'll see his fingers all over the place.

And many others you may not like.

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

Doesn't surprise me.

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[-] 1 points by arealpolitik (154) 2 years ago

Some say what's the big deal, there are only a few thousand... My guess is they are not watching national news, these few thousand are replicated all over the nation.

By this spring millions will march on Washington. This is a grass roots movement, not an organized republican/conservative right-wing political group as is The Tea Party.

They are closing bridges and subways are being closed to prevent more from coming. Do not believe the police are shutting down transportation access to protect the subways. They are doing it to stop more protesters from coming in.

But they will come, nothing can stop this...

[-] 1 points by Danimal98367 (188) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

You keep saying this but it ain't true.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

Choose your words correctly to soften the police officer up.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

The counterterrorism agent's appear obliviousness to economic terrorism is fake!!! It is a form ofobfuscating ignorance!!! It is meant to put your guard down!!!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ObfuscatingStupidity

[-] 1 points by Kevin77 (16) from Groton, CT 2 years ago

What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously this time around.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

Use their barricade against them!!! Try to take away one of the baricade and put or store them in the middle of the protest crowd.

[-] 1 points by arealpolitik (154) 2 years ago

Wow, this forum allows free speech or you spammers would not be here.

Why are you attempting to stifle free speech? Who pays your salary?

Don't they understand... Moving barriers, sitting in streets, shoving police, it is playing into the hands of those that do not want OWS to succeed...

Remain peaceful at all cost...

Even CNN is reporting that OWS is turning violent.

Don't be stupid. Get mad but stay peaceful... You 'workers' have a job now, but what about next year when a corporation decides they no longer need you.

Or when the next bank decides to create another LAND GRAB.

Your children and their children's future is at stake and these Patriots are trying to do something.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

Sitting in your office being an obedient slave? In your bank owned home acting like everything is okay? When will you learn?

You people that still have jobs should begin a sick-out in support of these Americans who are suffering at the hands of corporations and banks.

Prediction: Thousands today... millions tomorrow...

[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 2 years ago

Whenever the police clears a park, open other war-fronts to create other problems to the elites. Unemployment, disillusion and desperation are quickly spreading all over the world. In thousand italian and european cities million of students and workers are fighting against the police for their right to survive. They say: "Do you want the frontal struggle? We are ready for that. We have no fear, because we are the great majority of the Country. In the same time the politicians reveal more and more their incapacity to satisfy the needs of people. The financial crisis will bring in the streets an increasing number of protesters. It's too late now to tame the revolt. The Empire of Evil is cracking down, but the elites aren't able to realize it. We've just to sit on the side of the river to see the corpse of our enemy passig away.

[-] 1 points by otherwisee (51) 2 years ago

I have loans and a mortgage to pay off. You are not the 99%. I need to go to work, do not get in any NEW YORKERS way.

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

"11:11 am: police chaos, officer uses barricade as weapon against press, protestors."

They cry brutality? If they want to see what police brutality is they should watch some of the clips from the '68 Democratic Convention. They have no idea what real brutality is.

[-] 1 points by Riceball (9) 2 years ago

When is the group headed for the bridge? Confound that bridge! Just curious because NYC deputy mayor said theyd be ready, what? National guard?

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

Got a video of that barricade police man?

Too bad none of us are allowed to pretend to be police officer plain cloth or otherwise.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

Get some of the protesters to look like non-protesters to get through checkpoints.

This should tell you the rest: http://occupywallst.org/forum/flash-protesting-an-idea-to-consider/

[-] 1 points by Riceball (9) 2 years ago

11:11 still think peaceful is the way to go? I think more like civil war, will definitely clear the page

[-] 1 points by Kevin77 (16) from Groton, CT 2 years ago

What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously this time around.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

Be sure to have some protesters in the bystander zone as a contingency plan and then get them to protest in the bystander zone with bystanders between and surrounding the protesters.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/flash-protesting-an-idea-to-consider/

[-] 1 points by aPimpsGlimpse (4) from West Chester, PA 2 years ago

Scrooge McDuck!!!

[-] 1 points by robinhoo (2) 2 years ago

they killed our presidents, bought our congress, placed our judges, purchased our mainstream news media, made world wars to install their worldwide currency- but it is not OUR worldwide currency, it belongs to the 1% of the 1%. They siphoned our wealth without producing anything or giving anything back other than more war for more greed. All has a breaking point. The author of Dracula (bankers) had it exact: they sucked the blood, hypnotized with the media, lived forever in their cult, and can be killed with silver and faith.

[-] 1 points by Victroll (0) from Paris, IdF 2 years ago

Seriously, we're not going to achieve anything without a proper FIGHT. We all know politicians are in the riches' pockets, so why waste time protesting like hippies when what you really need is to just barge inside NYSE and smash their equipment. That would give a serious blow to those assholes. You say you are against this system yet you follow their rules. I'm not saying anyone should be hurt, I'm saying hurt their number-crushing computers!

[-] 1 points by sicsempurr (25) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Come on now Victroll, all that'd do is hand the city a justification for harsh police actions and get a bunch of people hurt. And even if it went down smoothly, after all the shady dealings and bailouts... do you REALLY think the NYSE is too broke to replace their computers?

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[-] 1 points by Adam (116) 2 years ago

When everyone was massed together crowded against the barricade, the order should have been to swarm inside the stock exchange and stop the trading rather than to go home. That was not a victory.

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[-] 1 points by Binay (2) 2 years ago

SLOGANS FOR POSTERS

● “The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.” – Marx ● No reforms; change the social system! ● Capitalism means legal plunder based on wages-slavery; end capitalism! ● If capitalism exists, so exist exploitation, plunder, war, terrorism and pollution; end capitalism! ● Stop production for profit, start production for use to save environment and our species from the risk of universal death! ● Wages-slavery or starvation death – these are not alternatives, but a two-pronged terrorism! ● End wages-slavery to end starvation death! ● End employment to end unemployment! ● End employment with universal ownership! ● Throw away all election manifestos; just win Socialism! ● Abundance for all – that is Socialism. Principle: From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. ● Socialism needs you – you need Socialism; recognize Socialism – vote only for Socialism! ● Do not elect leaders, nor boycott elections, elect MPs for Socialism only! ● Peaceably if we May - Forcibly if we Must! ● Our word is our weapon. ● Inscribe on the banner: "the annulment of all property and territorial rights; all that is on and in the Earth becomes the common heritage of the whole humanity".
● Establish universal ownership world-over by organizing the working class worldwide! ● Emancipation of the working class must be the work of the working class itself. ● A few people making decisions that affect everyone else is not what revolution looks like; it's what capitalism looks like. ● The master’s tools won’t dismantle the master’s house. And they sure won’t build a better house. ● Reject parties based on leader/follower relation; join us to develop the independent leaderless democratic organization of the working class! ● Socialists are not secular, but anti-religious, because religion and Socialism exclude each other. ● Indiscriminate construction of factories during capitalism’s decadence brings little ‘development’ with more unemployment, poverty and pollution. ● Deny the road of competition for a living; accept the road of cooperation for life! ● I have no country to fight for; my country is the Earth, and I am a citizen of the World. ● Workers have no country; you have nothing to lose but your chains; you have a world to win; workers of the world unite!

World Socialist Party (India) 257 Baghajatin ‘E’ Block (East), Kolkata – 700086, Tel: 033-2425-0208, Email: wspindia@hotmail.com

[-] 0 points by MrDman (-57) 2 years ago

4:50pm And your still a bunch of morons

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[-] 0 points by jajajajajajajaja (16) 2 years ago

Stop making shit up. Practically any "fact" on this timeline is bogus. There was no delay in the open, the entrances to the exchange are not blockaded, there are not thousands of people. You're far worse than the MSM, they just blow stuff out of proportion, you lie outright.

[-] 0 points by Riceball (9) 2 years ago

Its actually pretty amazing and cool to be able to watch this stuff unfold, now just need to figure out how to take over broadcast and blast it all over the airwaves

[-] 0 points by arealpolitik (154) 2 years ago

The police are shutting down access so more protesters can not get in...

This is a movement of the people, for the people.

Those Patriots flooding cities all over this country come from all political and ethnic backgrounds. They believe in what made this country great, and it it's time of need have and will continue to react, even if you choose not:

When others oppose this movement, show them this...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." . "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

This is not political...

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[-] 0 points by Kevin77 (16) from Groton, CT 2 years ago

What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously this time around.

[-] 0 points by AtlasCollins (5) 2 years ago

What? No free money?

[-] 0 points by AtlasCollins (5) 2 years ago

Where do I sign up for my free money?

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[-] 0 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

I wonder how many of these protesters are actually New Yorkers?

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Yes, because clearly only people in New York City are the only ones impacted by Wall Street. Great work detective!

[-] 2 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

I was just a question........... I was curious if there are people from other OWS sites at Zuccotti Park.....

A bit touchy, aren't you?

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

You're right, I apologise. I mistook the tone of your question.

I'm not sure what the exact balance is. When I last visited, it was mostly New Yorkers, but there were a number of people from nearby cities in Connecticut and Massachusetts. I met a young man named Tanner from Boston who was there in the second week.

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

No problem. Just because I do not exactly agree with OWS's tactics, doesn't mean I want to see them fail....Not everyone with complaints is an enemy.....

[-] 0 points by gagablogger (207) 2 years ago

Ohmygod, CNN has live videos up now on their main page! http://www.cnn.com/

[-] 0 points by RubyQ (2) 2 years ago

You guys are disgusting ~ what untruth you spew~ your violent as well and it makes me sick. Get a focus, stop interferring in the 99% ability to get to work because we do (at least some of us) have jobs. need to pay our way through life. Unbelieveably selfish.

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

I hope your job is secure, and your health is great, and you get to work! May it be so, for everyone! Economic Justice and a fair playing field for all! Where all the rules are enforced, and there is no corruption tolerated or encouraged!

[-] 0 points by RubyQ (2) 2 years ago

You guys are disgusting ~ what untruth you spew~ your violent as well and it makes me sick

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[-] 0 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

Pick off one officer one by one non-violently.

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[-] 0 points by occupyanoccupation (9) 2 years ago

"Whose park"? interesting mis-use of the english language.

Perhaps you meant "who's" park?

[-] 2 points by Zendude (75) from New York, NY 2 years ago

"Whose park" is correct. "Who's" can only be used to mean "who is," or "who has."

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[-] 0 points by workhardplayhard (33) 2 years ago

the factual reporting here is as bad as Fox News

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[-] 0 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

Very big disappointment....... Instead of staying and showing their determination they left ...........

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[-] 3 points by guru401 (228) 2 years ago

Apparently, you like government bailouts and being ripped off our banking system?

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[-] -2 points by lecorsaire (25) 2 years ago

You idiot. If there wouldnt have been a bailout you probably wouldn't be able to put food in a your mouth today. You have no idea how the economy works.You don't even have a job.

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2007 "Based on existing investigations and mortgage fraud reporting, 80 percent of all reported fraud losses involve collaboration or collusion by industry insiders."

They got bailed out for breaking the law. You have no argument.

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[-] 0 points by zucnei (103) 2 years ago

Nor, apparently, did anyone take the 5 seconds necessary to find out what time trading actually starts. But, hey, they are the experts on all financial matters....

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Excerpt from The Transition Phase: The Road To Freedom:

"We should also bare in mind that in any stage of this struggle for a free democratic society we have to expect lots of opposition from the elites and their supporters and servants. Not only do we have to expect and prepare ourselves for media-propaganda, we also have to expect more police brutality. Its a natural reaction of the finacial elite who will become more and more scared of the movement(s) as they grow. The state and government are often very servile to the wealthy finacial elite, especially in the US where the wealthy more or less control policies. The police is a tool of the business-run, or business-influenced state to try to crush the ones who want to take back from the wealthy what has been stolen thru bailouts, exploitation and speculation at the stock exchange. The elites are starting to feel threatened, they want to keep all that they have stolen, so naturally they want to stop The Occupy Movement and anyone else involved in the struggle with police force. These tendencies are however an indcation that we´re on the right track: The elites are getting scared, and react by increasing their effort in trying to crush movements. The finacial elite will however fail. Police brutality is counter-productive, it just leads to more support and sympathy for people engaged in the struggle among the general population."

"What you should do is exactly the kinds of things that are going to lead to hysteria among privileged and powerful people" - Noam Chomsky

Keep on fighting! struggleforfreedom

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[-] 0 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

If they hadn't broadcasted their intentions all over the place they may have been able to get in front of the Stock Exchange..... Leaving the area makes it look like it was unsuccessful

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[-] 0 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

Seems there are more police and reporters than protesters in the UStream feed.....

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

To be fair, it's a work day. Most people who are part of the movement are employed, contrary to what the propagandist would tell you. That's why the number of people around the park always swells on the weekends and fades on week days.

[-] -1 points by lecorsaire (25) 2 years ago

People have realized that this bullshit is not worth getting arrested for. This thing will be gone before the year's end.

[-] 0 points by jtp (4) 2 years ago

lol @ not knowing that the opening bell is at 9:30, not 9:00. Do if you don't even understand that, how could you possibly claim to correctly understand whether the system you are protesting is just or unjust? Go back to your mouther's basement, wearing your clothes purchased from the 1 percent, playing your Wii created by the 1 percent, and drinking your Diet Coke that was carbonated by the 1 percent.

Idiot.

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

The important thing is knowing when the next market collapse is going to be, isn't it? and you have to be an insider to know that, don't you?

Do you know? Are you an insider?

[-] 1 points by driaoe (1) 2 years ago

created by the 1 per cent or commanded and distributed by the 1 per cent? Because the people who are "creating" and "carbonating" these products are much closer to the bottom 1 per cent on a global scale. That's as much a part of this issue as economic disparity within the United States.

I agree, misreporting is fucking terrible. Don't stoop to that level. If you get it wrong, own up and move on.

However, taking that one thing as a sign that the entire movement is completely defunct is just a poor excuse to disregard something that scares you. What's so bad about change? What's so bad about acknowledging that profits, mainstream media, and much of politics is all held in the hands of the same people? How can we possibly expect the rights of those who have been dismissed by the system to be protected when their voices can't be heard? Here is a chance for the voices of the many to make a statement. Don't shy away from that. It's about time.

[-] 1 points by highonrope (4) 2 years ago

How can you possibly expect anything good to come from this movement? Your occupying the wrong venue. The movement needs to occupy D.C., but the people who are pushing it are afraid of loosing their welfare checks if they actually did make any changes to benefit America as a whole.

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[-] 0 points by Jimmy44 (-57) from New York, NY 2 years ago

9:11 am: opening bell delayed! --hello? Opening bell is at 9:30am. Too funny. Blocking subways hurts the very people you claim to represent! Way to ruin what little credibility the movement had. Ridiculous. Certainly have lost my support after this morning's events. Oh, and nice work deleing my previous comment saying the same thing, since it doesn't fit your agenda. Freedom of speech huh - but only for those you decide should have that freedom. Good one.

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[-] 0 points by Adam (116) 2 years ago

Get inside the stock exchange please. Swarm!!!

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[-] -1 points by Fifty3er (30) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

hippies go home. I am part of the 99%, and your filth, trash, and violence does not represent me

[-] -1 points by progmarx (66) 2 years ago

BFD a whopping 15 min delay.

[-] 3 points by Jimmy44 (-57) from New York, NY 2 years ago

There was NO DELAY in the NYSE opening bell - it rang at 9:30am as usual. This bs about a 15 minute delay is a fallacy.

[-] 0 points by progmarx (66) 2 years ago

Thanks for clearing that up.

[-] -1 points by NoRedRoseHorus (-1) 2 years ago

Most of the bankers and workers who work on wall street are not part of the elite. We all may think they are as well as they themselves. The fact is, this not about money, it's about slavery. If we let the hammer fall due to our stupidity they will be enslaved along with everyone else. It's very easy to just look at the unbalance of wealth in the world but that is not central issue it is slavery or freedom. The bankers, politicians, companies are all paws of the real leaders who are pulling the strings. These small group leaders most people of the world won't even be able to see an image of. However if you do proper research for yourself you can find out their history, their beliefs, and who they are to a degree. Don't believe anything without doing your own research that includes me. There are documents out there that have the words of these people. We must find as much info as we can and piece together the puzzle. There is no silver bullet as far a source that has the complete answer. The nature of their system does not allow for that to happen. We must learn their symbolic language so that we can understand what they are really saying. We are being lied to mislead and manipulated. If this is a war then we are losing. Why? Because we don't know our enemy yet they know everything about us. We must learn how they think and I guarantee IT IS NOT ABOUT WEALTH. IT'S ABOUT SLAVERY! They call the masses the profane for a reason. So far, they are correct. We must prove them wrong. We must stop focusing about the money. If we do research on the whole money system that is in place now, we will find out that it is not meant to work, not even for the rich. They may have luxury but most (not all) must sell out their humanity in order to keep that material wealth. Having wealth is not bad but if that wealth ends up being a sparkling padded cell then what is it for? We must become a nation and a world of real people. We must stand and claim our rightful inheritance that was given to us when this country was founded. That requires smart and free thinking. We must know that our thoughts are really our thoughts. The Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are our living documents that states our freedom. However due to our stupidity, apathy, and greed we have allowed these documents to be subverted and replaced with the government we see now. These documents are not outdated that is why they are called LIVING DOCUMENTS. But they will only work if we know our rights, know how the government is supposed to work according to the Constitution, and most of all, know ourselves.

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[-] -1 points by occupyanoccupation (9) 2 years ago

This idiot doing the commentary on the video keeps pumping himself up about how many viewers he has instead of telling us what is actually going on.

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[-] -1 points by occupyanoccupation (9) 2 years ago

There are 6 million unfilled jobs in america because of an entitlement society and because of a skills gap. I suspect a small majority of OWS protesters are somewhat intellegent. I would encourage them to go get marketable training and focus their energy on finding a job instead of protesting. Do we have issues? Yes. Is corporate greed one of them? Yes. But the real issue is a skills gap. The real issue is our education system not pushing students into marketable trades.

[-] 3 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Most of us are employed.

People have the skills, but businesses would rather hire people abroad at slave wages. After all, isn't that the "free market" solution? Minimize costs, maximize price, maximize profit.

Let's suppose your argument is 100% correct. How do you explain the rapid increase of unemployment by 5% in 2008? Did we lose 5% of our nations skills all in a single year? You have no argument.

[-] -1 points by occupyanoccupation (9) 2 years ago

There are 6 million unfilled jobs in america because of an entitlement society and because of a skills gap. I suspect a small majority of OWS protesters are somewhat intellegent. I would encourage them to go get marketable training and focus their energy on finding a job instead of protesting. Do we have issues? Yes. Is corporate greed one of them? Yes. But the real issue is a skills gap. The real issue is our education system not pushing students into marketable trades.

[-] -1 points by Adam (116) 2 years ago

We can not fail if we never give up. We WILL get inside that stock exchange and shut it off permanently until every person has a fair share.

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[-] -1 points by FuckYouDirtyHippies (-7) 2 years ago

Heh, It's A Bankster CRIMINAL Indictment!

http://www.market-ticker.org/

[-] 0 points by FuckYouDirtyHippies (-7) 2 years ago

Minus 2 for something real?

"The 606-count indictment alleges that the two title officers, Gary Trafford and Gerri Sheppard, directed employees under their supervision to forge their names on foreclosure documents, then notarize the forged signatures, so that it appeared that the pair actually signed the documents."

[-] 1 points by alabama1913 (23) 2 years ago

We have skill sets. Veterans make bad enemy's....

[-] 0 points by vets74 (344) from New York, NY 2 years ago

GANGSTER CAPITALISM

o Destroyed 8,500,000 jobs -- where normally 2005-2010 we'd see 12,000,000 new jobs created

o Downgraded 15,000,000 jobs from skilled to unskilled

o Caused 8,069,000 extra property forecolusres over the normal 4,500,000 property forecloses 2005-2009

Gangster Capitalism maximized pay-outs for their short bets. They pocketed $5-TT from pension frauds, selling bribery-driven "AAA" shitpaper.


Meanwhile, today being 11/17/11, Occupy Wall Street goes batshit crazy screwing with subways.

Keep them effin' Koch brothers off the A Train !!

Leaderless... yeah.

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

OK Fearless Leader, share with us all your program, please.

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[-] -2 points by lecorsaire (25) 2 years ago

15 minute delay? There was NO delay. You guys are delusional!

[-] -2 points by geneellis (10) 2 years ago

HAHAHAHA! This is hilarious!

"9:11 am: opening bell delayed!"

The bell is at 9:30am you idiots!!! LOL!

[-] -1 points by zucnei (103) 2 years ago

I wish this were funny - many people's lives were put at risk today, and are still being put at risk - by a group of people who could not get the most basic of facts right, yet feel comfortable constantly lecturing everyone else on what they did wrong. Amazing and sad....

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[-] -2 points by ThanksSoooMuch (3) 2 years ago

Thank you so very much for making my life a living hell this morning as I tried to getting to work. I wasn't aware that I was part of the 1% making your life so damn difficult! Last time I checked I am just a person trying to make a living for myself with what I got so how about you stop yelling at me on the streets and making my life more difficult then it already is just because I was able to find a job.

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

Opps, sorry about that Chief! Your having a job is sufficient economic justice for us all accually! Silly us! We were looking for the hub of the economic universe, directions please!

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[-] -2 points by Jimmy44 (-57) from New York, NY 2 years ago

9:11 am: opening bell delayed! --hello? Opening bell is at 9:30am. Too funny. Blocking subways hurts the very people you claim to represent! Way to ruin what little credibility the movement had. Ridiculous. Certainly have lost my support after this morning's events. Oh, and nice work deleing my previous comment saying the same thing, since it doesn't fit your agenda. Freedom of speech huh - but only for those you decide should have that freedom. Good one.

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[-] -2 points by ghostofbettermen (19) from Muncie, IN 2 years ago

This just seems like chaos

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[-] -3 points by teapatriot (-4) 2 years ago

The police are there to protect and serve everyone regardless of affiliation. I applaud the NYPD and the Mayor for putting the security of the public as the top priority of the day. If you peacefully protest you might not get arrested. If you clean up after yourselves and not literally crap in the street the police would not have to raid the protest to clean the park. If you didn't infringe on other people's daily commute you might not get arrested. And by the way, go to http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=98123,00.html you would actually get your facts straight about how mach in taxes the "rich" pay. The top 1% of income earners pays 37% of total income tax revenue to the IRS. The top 5% pays 58% of the income tax revenue. That means that 5% of the income tax paying population is paying for over half of the money to the IRS. They also are getting taxed at a rate of up to 35%. They also pay taxes on capital gains as well. So I suggest that next Thursday you be thankful that the “rich” are paying the majority of the burden for entitlement programs like education, Medicare, government housing, and yes the police and military who sacrifice day in and day out for YOUR safety and mine. Also, do a little research about how the top earners also give more to charitable organizations then about half the population. After you do your research tell me how the “rich” are greedy. Then look at the greed that you are portraying by your actions today. Mind you this statement is being made by a former liberal! All your demands sound great in theory till you get out in the real world and have to work to support a family with the lifestyle they deserve. You are responsible for your actions. If you make poor financial decisions you have no one to blame but yourself. If you take out a loan you have a responsibility to pay that loan back. Remember that the real world might not let you get a $150,000 salary if you’re not willing to earn it. And just because you spent 100,000 on an education that doesn’t mean you’ll get a $100,000 job.

[-] -3 points by kodiboy (-1) 2 years ago

There was no delay of the opening bell. I use E-Trade, and I placed trades at 9:30am :). Sorry I'm not sorry

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[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

So true, people are upset with how they are treated. That is so exactly like USSR. Oh dear, do they have Stalin present too?

Pro Tip: I hear the sky is falling as well, you better get on that.

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[-] 2 points by aniadrift (17) 2 years ago

piss off loyalist. crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you.

Go OWS. SHUT THEM DOWN.

[-] -3 points by kodiboy (-1) 2 years ago

Why don't you try occupying a life, and or a job. You cannot be upset that a generation of kids who majored in theatre and "feelings" can't find jobs. Try going to school, getting an education, or at least learning a skill or trade that can contribute to society. You are hurting the real 99% who are trying to make it through tough times. This is nothing more than a sad portrayal of an entitled generation who doesn't like work and yearns for attention.

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

It seems having a job is inversely proportional to grasping the big picture, no?

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[-] -3 points by fvz (0) 2 years ago

Grow up and stop asking what you want to get but rather what you want to give.

[-] 3 points by JProffitt71 (222) from Colorado Springs, CO 2 years ago

This won't fix an exploitative society. I am not arguing that this day will either, but we have to stop being quiet and expecting others to handle things for all of us. We are all members of a society and responsible for fixing it.

[-] 0 points by RubyQ (2) 2 years ago

Not like this~ There is no focus and more homeless marching with you guys looking for a free meal, more drug addicts looking for a place to sleep and a free meal. Your demands are not outrageous but there is not one focus. What do you think will happen if there is no wall street; no banks do you seriously think everything will just get better. You've disrupted by travel this morning to a job I needed to get too. What purpose does that serve. I'm more than sure I'm not the only one. I would like to protest your protest ~ it is out of control! Your wasting the city's money!

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Oh please Mr. Banker, can I give you even more? What else do you want to take from me?

Great advise Mr., I feel better already.

[-] 2 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

They come an' give you star spangled eyes And then they send you down to War And when you ask them how much you gotta give, All they ask is more, more, more

Bail us out cause we're to big to fail - not the next time, fvz.

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[+] -4 points by kodiboy (-1) 2 years ago

Well said, I am recent college graduate, and I am in large amounts of debt. However I have taken responsibility for this debt, put my feet to the ground and got myself an education which led to me also getting a job. I didn't come from a rich family and worked hard for everything I've accomplished. I am not looking for a handout and I'm embracing what America was founded on- an entrepreneurial spirit and never-say-never attitude. My parents are the ones who could really use the help yet they cannot afford to not work and go protest. Instead of literally wasting your time just sitting and almost whining, why not put your time to good use and volunteer somewhere, offer your help to those you claim to be representing, or at least put the effort in to keep your surroundings clean. These movements are an embarrassment to my generation, a generation with no true war, no true civil rights movement, and now an apparently growing sense of entitlement. If you want true change, why not go to school and get an education, take the necessary steps to join local civic movements, and become apart of government and try to achieve true change for the "people". This demonstration shows a laziness and an entitlement of my generation who always look for the easy way out without putting in the work. I am apart of the true 99%, but I'm bucking up, learning as much as I can, and going to work, because in America you can't choose what percentage your born into, but you can certainly choose what percentage you aspire to obtain.

[-] 2 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

What makes you think people aren't doing exactly as you are describing in addition to taking direct action?

I've said this a million times, do you think that in 2008, 5% of the population just suddenly decided to leave their jobs out of a sense of "entitlement"? Things are getting worse faster than the standard, quiet, subservient methods allow.

We do not have a public forum for debate in this country. A private corporation, The Commission on Presidential Debates, controls who we can see and what questions they are asked. This movement provides a badly needed public forum and visibility that no other methods have been able to provide.

[-] 0 points by occupyanoccupation (9) 2 years ago

There are 6 million open jobs in america. Of course people didn't "decide to leave their jobs". But instead of protesting, or sitting at home collecting unemployment folks should have gotten training in their time of unemployment and prepared for the 6 million open jobs we have right now.

the government had MILLIONS dedicated to re-training for displaced workers. displaced workers did not utilize this. We are suffering now.

PS: You do not represent me and I am am clearly not part of the 1%, but I'm sure as hell not part of your 99%..

[-] 3 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

I'm fully employed and I know that most of these postings are complete bullshit. Corporations want employees with decades of experience in databases, programming, system administration, but will accept a $50K pay-check. So you are correct in a sense, there are millions of imaginary jobs available. We simply don't have enough people with decades of advanced experience willing to work for bad wages.

The availability of entry-level jobs has dramatically declined in recent years as businesses have shifted the cost of training and schooling onto families. The rise of unpaid internships, which offer no training are simply an unpaid job are on the rise. Still, people have to pay food and rent, so how are they supposed to dedicate 6 months to an unpaid job?

The system is broken, all the risk has been put onto families, and all the reward put in the hands of their corporate masters.

You are right, I do not speak for you. I never speak for royalists who would sell out their fellows.

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[+] -5 points by MeMyselfandI (85) 2 years ago

Great idea. Make it impossible for people who need to get to work to earn a living to get to their jobs. That is truly helping the 99%. You people are just rioting for the sake of rioting.

[-] 8 points by guru401 (228) 2 years ago

You really don't think the banks rob you? Just look at gas prices. Direct result of the Federal Reserve and creating money out of thin air.

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

http://www.peri.umass.edu/236/hash/5d79ac3c2ca6ef5c56c526b02d600b3f/publication/470/

Do some research. After accounting for all supply/demand factors, currency, changes in exchange rates, etc., an estimated 83 cents on the gallon was found to be attributed to futures speculation.

Banks also arrange for price fixing and cartel agreements among all their holdings, driving up prices in energy, food, housing, loans, etc. You are paying a hidden tax to the banks on everything you buy.

But let's suppose your explanation was correct for the sake of argument. How do you explain banks getting money from the Fed at 0% interest rate, yet charging the people they loan it to over 10% for credit cards, home loans, etc? By what mechanism does the Fed cause banks to jack up interest rates on people?

[-] 1 points by guru401 (228) 2 years ago

The Federal Reserve is a bank, I'm not quite sure what you're arguing. During the $600 billion quantatative easing (a.k.a money creation) from November 2010-June 2011, the Federal Reserve deposited newly-created USD into the accounts of the primary dealers. The primary dealers could do whatever they wanted with it, and their prop trading desks drove up the price of commodities. Take a look at an oil chart and look at the acceleration of oil prices since Bernanke announced QE2.

[-] 1 points by vnayar (289) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

I think we agree. The Fed has a bad policy that gives disproportionate power to the big banks, and they abuse that power.

[-] 0 points by RubyQ (2) 2 years ago

get a job! Help the needy instead of wasting everyone's time and the Overtime having to be paid to the police for monitoring your whinning and over the top demands

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

We just want a trillion dollar bailout because we're to big to fail. In return we'll add a $5 a month fee to your account. Thanks,

The Global Bankers Casino Club

[-] 1 points by guru401 (228) 2 years ago

Poor little sheep....

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[+] -5 points by korzib9 (80) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

I heard there is a pointless flash mob in downtown Manhattan. Now if only all these people actually had some semblance of unified political demands. Perhaps then they might actually accomplish something instead of just sort of being there and annoying people trying to get to work or eat lunch in a park.

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