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Retribution Against the Financial Elite!

STOP & FRISK HAS GOT TO GO! Solidarity with #occupyharlem.

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 22, 2011, 6:35 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

A new uncompromising movement against NYPD's notorious Stop & Frisk program began yesterday as hundreds of demonstrators marched from the Harlem State Office Building to Harlem’s 28th precinct. At the station, Cornel West, author and Princeton professor, Carl Dix of the Revolutionary Communist Party, Rev. Stephen Phelps, interim senior minister of Riverside Church, and dozens of others were arrested in an act of non-violent civil disobedience. Among those arrested and protesting was a large contingent from downtown’s Occupy Wall Street.

“We are here today to put our bodies on the line to stop this racist, immoral, illegitimate and unjust ‘new Jim Crow’ from the gateway of stop and frisk to the wholesale mass incarceration of Black and Brown people," said Dix to the assembled marchers. "We are serious and we will continue until we Stop Stop & Frisk!” The crowd chanted, “Stop & Frisk don’t stop the crime, Stop & Frisk IS the crime,” as arrestees were carried to waiting police vans. A solidarity march to 33rd Precinct ensused, where arrestees were said to be held.

The fight continues with Saturday’s 2:00 pm rally at Union Square, part of a National Day of Protest to Stop Police Brutality, Repression, and the Criminalization of a Generation.

According to a New York Civil Liberties Union study, the NYPD is on pace to stop and frisk over 700,000 people in 2011, or more than 1,900 people each day. More than 85% of those stopped and frisked are Black or Latino, and more than 90% of them were doing nothing wrong when the police stopped them.

The action was organized in solidarity with #occupyharlem, which will begin on October 28th.

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[-] 4 points by JohnWa (510) 2 years ago

The Banks have donated million to the Police. News of this has spread around the World . Corruption in the higher Police ranks is showing clearly. Goons for the Bankers. Justice is dead.

All a part of the rotten corporate designed and driven banking system that controls much of the world. It has roots and an origin that we pay taxes to support each day.

Thank You for being there opposing this scourge of humanity. You must win !

[-] 1 points by Thisisthetime (200) from Kahlotus, WA 2 years ago

It is important for me to remember that individual Police persons are a unique breed of cat, they endure confrontation on a daily basis. They have a job and bosses they take orders from, so that they can feed their families. If I needed help I would call the Police, not a CEO, or a banker, or a gangsta. Having said that, I continue to support Occupy Wall Street fully for their brave and courageous work. Please Keep Up the Good Work.

[-] 1 points by geminijlw (176) from Mechanicsburg, PA 2 years ago

You are right, police are also the 99% and we support OWS from Harrisburg OWS. Keep up good work.

[-] 1 points by AmidaDZ (11) 2 years ago

The constabulary system is as broken as the the rest of the government.

[-] 4 points by legalassistant (164) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Show featuring an NYPD officer who recorded the police who engage in this shit. They do it to make money. Listen to this: The police end up eventually raiding his house and taking the recorder.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=414&act=2

Stop and frisk is illegal.

[-] 4 points by mserfas (652) from Ashland, PA 2 years ago

Thanks for this important link - following up on it, I found the original Village Voice article at http://www.villagevoice.com/content/printVersion/1797847/ , which explains how Adrian Schoolcraft's recordings document bad methods of assessing police performance. These pressure officers into this "stop and frisk" activity, while actually encouraging officers to push victims into downgrading charges, including a serial rape which, due to inattention, led to more victims elsewhere. I believe a lot of police would rather stop crime than cook statistics - the people of New York just need to fix this at the political level so the police can focus on their proper work.

I wonder whether the police presence at Occupy Wall Street is also encouraged by such statistical practices.

[-] 2 points by legalassistant (164) from New York, NY 2 years ago

One thing is for sure, the policemen with families are the biggest threat because they cannot afford to be individuals about this.

This is why we need full unemployment insurance even if you quit.

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

Well typed! Here, here! Cheers

[-] 3 points by sufinaga (513) 2 years ago

stop and frisk. stop and search in uk led to the riots. burning and looting. these uniformed thugs are the COMMUNITY TERRORISTS. put the NYPD in Guantanamo for the duration. they are the ENEMY COMBATANTS who are brutalising and criminalising us. cannabis is the Holy Tree of Life. all cannabis charges are MALICIOUS PROSECUTIONS. the end of cannabis prohibition is the RAPTURE.

[-] 3 points by swagman2 (5) 2 years ago

A superb OWS hand made message.

“I won’t believe corporatio­ns are people until Texas executes one”

[-] 3 points by DocWatson (109) 2 years ago

All People should be presumed innocent unless showing a major indicator of criminal activity. In short, no frisking as a fishing mission to try and find something.

[-] 3 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

Liberty is Constitutional. NYPD please read the Constitution. Or perhaps we can read it out loud to you.

[-] 3 points by Fresh2Death13 (207) from Windsor, ON 2 years ago

good idea have the General Assembly read the constitution en masse

[-] 2 points by AmidaDZ (11) 2 years ago

That is an amazing idea, James and Fresh. Moreover, GA should delegate a group to teach the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments. The Declaration of Independence as well; it's a huge motivator.

[-] 1 points by Fresh2Death13 (207) from Windsor, ON 2 years ago

people need to know the Legal ground they stand on so when a cop comes screaming this is illegal thats illegal OBEY its illegal we know whats up

[-] 1 points by AmidaDZ (11) 2 years ago

Exactly. We need to know it as a responsible American, sure. But even more so when the cops are flying at us by the dozen.

[-] 1 points by Fresh2Death13 (207) from Windsor, ON 2 years ago

You need to have camera's with you always the cops tell you its illegal to film them without their permission but on DUTY they are public servants and ONLY on duty do they have the right to mess with you. They are public servants so it is not illegal to film them PROTECT yourselves always I must inform whoever reads this however this varies state to state and whether or not you are also on public property

[-] 1 points by frangible (67) from Albuquerque, NM 2 years ago

...Or just the Bill of Rights. Another good document to read, the UN Declaration on Human Rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ "Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Article 20. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association. (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association."

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

Love the international angle!!! That's fantastic!

[-] 1 points by sufinaga (513) 2 years ago

they are fascist thugs with no understanding of logical sustained reasoning. but no bully likes public exposure. so keep exposing their brutality against their fellow man until they have a PSYCHOPATHIC BREAKDOWN. our movement is winning as we keep moving marching drumming and chanting and we grow stronger and their hysterical violence continues until they crack up in the face of defeat. what a day of rejoicing that will be.

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

That's risky because they tend to shot innocents in their steroid induced rages. Better to just speak with them and hope they want to stop tooling for the man also.

[-] 2 points by AmidaDZ (11) 2 years ago

The line level peacekeeper has very little to do with the issue. My arm has very little to do with a decision to pull a trigger. It is the brain's doing. Don't forget that. There are people in these crowds that have friends and family in law enforcement. Some don't even know it!

Those jerks on the streets aren't the issue. The problem is further up the police food chain.

[-] 1 points by sufinaga (513) 2 years ago

we are the majority dealing with a psychopathic minority in the police. we are dealing with violent madmen brainwashed zombies of the fascist elite who send their thugs out to deal with us on the street and constantly harass us with stop and frisk and the malicious criminalising of ganja, marijuana,, the holy tree of life and our precious communion. we are talking to them in our chanting. the man or whatever it is has promised them untold riches and dominion over the earth. JAH FORBID! the time is now. we are the meek who shall inherit the earth. this world is ours. we must walk into the fiery furnace knowing that ONE is with us,, the oneness of our unity with the 99% watching in their homes.that is the message to our misguided police to defect now and get on the right side while we watch the ENEMY go mad with his powerlessness over us!

[-] 1 points by MakeThisWork (33) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Be careful of painting a group of individuals with one giant brush. It's the system that's wrong, and most police officers are just trying to do their job and make a life, just like we are. They have the added stress of possibly being shot and killed at their job so give them a bit of a benefit of the doubt. There might be a few bad apples, there might even be a bushel, but when you start generalizing, you are no worse than those who say this movement is all just a bunch of lazy hippies looking for a hand-out.

The real world is more complicated than that, which is why OWS is catching on. Because boiling it down to one demand that fits on a bumper sticker doesn't cover the sheer magnitude and complexity of the situation.

That said, Stop and Frisk is messed up and needs to stop. I'm sure a lot of the people here defending it would get outraged if it started happening to them on a daily basis. One way to even it up would be to start stopping 1,900 people a day on the upper east side and see how long that lasts.

[-] 1 points by AmidaDZ (11) 2 years ago

MakeThisWork, Agreed!

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Best guess for New York City Population is 8,008,278

so roughly

1 in 11 New Yorkers have been illegally frisked


[-] 2 points by VoterMarch (34) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Footage from the Saturday, October 22 Protest at Union Square where victims' families united against police brutality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF_vTrlFl2E&feature=share

Over 1,000 at protest march which went from Union Square to Avenue D and 8th Street in the East Village.

[-] 2 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 2 years ago

Freedom is on the march!!!

[-] 2 points by bohratom (22) 2 years ago

Typical, yell its racist when you don't have the facts on your side. I was in NYC afew weekends ago and had a backpack with me that had extra batteries for my laptop and also my HD cam. A policemen stopped me around NYC and asked me to show what was in my bag as I was filming around wall street. He also checked my coat. I had no problem at all as I would rather be safe then sorry.

[-] 1 points by Fresh2Death13 (207) from Windsor, ON 2 years ago

Its about how police approach a situation. When demanded or confronted in a hostile way to empty your bag and present I.D. that is a severe imposition on your rights. People with Camera's filming are doing not a thing suspicious why should they be searched?

[-] 1 points by Fresh2Death13 (207) from Windsor, ON 2 years ago

I personally dislike having a "ruling class", it doesn't bug me that they fly around in helicopters so they never have to mingle with us on a bus or subway. It doesn't bug me they live in closed and gated communities. No, this does not bug me because it's their lives to live as they please. What does bug me is that they try to enforce upon us their ideology, they think theirs is the only opinion that matters. That we who are too stupid to have clawed and scrapped our way up the financial ladder can't possibly know whats good even for ourselves. For far too long we have let people with catchy slogans and nice suits, sell us the same bullshit that keeps us mired in the status quo. This two party system where people are given only two choices to lead their country is crap. Since when is Democracy a two sided affair? Someone please post and explain to me how it makes sense that only two very old and dated parties could know the pulse of the people. Especially when the very same people who run for office are the children of those who have held office previously. Yes, I am talking about families like the Bushs'. We all know Prescott Bush was charged with treason and that he supported the Nazis, yet his son and grandson was elected to lead the free world... Does this make sense? America and much of the world has been hijacked by a very quiet and secretive "ruling class". Where things are settled and discussed internationally without our knowledge or approval... Is that Democracy? This movement means to me a call to action, political action; direct action, any kind of action its time to DO something about it. America was once a Beacon of Freedom and Hope for the poor and oppressed, now America is a Beacon of the Rich and Powerful.

I must clarify I do not say that Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. are Nazis, I merely imply that the man who had such an impact on both of their lives, that they followed in his every footsteps in politics and secret societies, must have also imparted some of his own beliefs into them as well. The Winners of War write history books and I do not want history to read that this movement died out as quickly as it started if our children are even allowed to learn history under the NWO. I believe that the rich and powerful have always looked for something that defines them from us. They look for some reason beyond luck and circumstance to explain their good fortune. I believe this to be true of most of us. We all look for what defines us and where it used to be our morals and ways of life defining us as people now your job and bank account define you as a person. We together have changed the face of this planet. It was not a singular person who rose from animal hood into the Age of Man, it was together in small communities at first that we rose up from being more than our environment dictated. I see a dark future ahead a future filled with much struggle and austerity. There is hope too in this dark world, hope that we give the world to the next generation better than when we inherited it from ours. I refuse to believe that petty in-fighting, and tribal; and racial hatreds, can hold us back. We are the 99%. We are the writers of our own destinies. We are NOT defined by what we can buy but by what we have to give as human beings. The 1% as people are not bad they live the only life they have ever known in most cases. Others have made themselves and were not given a single thing EVER and that is to be respected. Any and All who stand in the way of change so that corporations can continue to export war and destruction so they can compete for the rebuilding contract are the enemy. We were not given the option of sides in this war, we are the enemy of the rich because the constitution that says we are their equals. The rich are bored with being rich they want power over our lives. Do not let your children fight in wars and die so that rich and the wealthy can live the American dream. This movement is at a crossroads, we can squabble to each other over how long the drummers can drum, or WE can DO something about it. I say go out and confront people over this, I want to see videos of CEO's getting blasted for their ineptitude with OUR money. I want to see Rockefeller sweating his piggy little forehead off under a constant and never ending barrage of outrage at his under handed secretive shaping of society. I will not be lead into the abyss of perpetual debt the 1% would have us believe is the only and best way. America, you have stood up to the greatest powers at the time throughout history. Be it Great Britain under its inbred kings or The Great German war machine. Now it is time America to Stand up to your Greatest threat of all, one that comes from within America. The Oligarchs and elite have worked you to exhaustion and as you fall and die carrying the extra weight of the rich they profit off of you with their "Dead Peasant" insurance claims. Even in Death the ruling elite get the last laugh

[-] 1 points by lukefromDC (44) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

A stop and frisk policy is an act of war by the police against anyone targeted. It is legitimate grounds for resistance by absolutely any means necessary by anyone targeted. One way to beat this sort of thing is to travel by bike and avoid travel on foot. On foot, staying in groups larger than police patrols could deter casual harassment, but make sure you can get to cover if larger units show up. In my "real street, real night" experience with Park Police and DC cops, three people deters two cops and five people deters three.

Alone and on your bike, they might try to stop you, but if they are on foot or car they can't catch you. Get rid of cars by going wrong-way up one way streets. Do not even let them get close enough to give an order, that way they can't file nearly as heavy charges if things turn to shit. Know your territory and know your enemy. Know where they go and where they do not. Know their capabilities and your own-Sun Tzu once said that if you know yourself and know your enemy you need not fear the results of a hundred battles.

The cops will rarely be able to deploy the sort of resources it takes to stop, say, a Critical Mass ride to stop just one biker resisting a frisk or a traffic stop. Sure as hell one cop on foot and two cars can't do it in traffic if you know what you are doing. If they are really pissed and keep chasing more than 5 minutes, get out of sight, hide the bike and get indoors. The only time I ever lost a bike chase I was up against 75 cops(!) in an area with no cover after a 15 person protest I was in was ambushed outside the home of an HLS customer executive. Got lucky, they filed no charges for fear of what certain others would do.

Bike and scooter cops are harder to handle, but can be escaped by riding so dangerously in traffic they don't dare to follow. One time in DC I rode between two moving busses to get rid of three bike cops following me. I had let them follow me to get them off of the other 7 people I was with, but it was time to get rid of them. No way they were coming in there, I then rode to a coffee shop directly across from the courthouse, they never thought to look there.

[-] 1 points by Revolutionary (247) 2 years ago

Evil frisks the oppressed.

[-] 1 points by Revolutionary (247) 2 years ago

The adoption of the humanistic constitution shall not need frisking because nobody shall be the enemy of any body.

[-] 1 points by rknox (6) from Cedar Grove, NJ 2 years ago

Re Occupy Democracy In America - ReDemocracy Vest national, state and local legislation approval directly with the respective electorate -- Follow this link: http://wh.gov/2fM and share it with friends, family, neighbors, and FaceBook and Twitter followers.

Rand Redemocratist at Large ReOccupy Democracy http://www.autobuyology.org/car15.html Thank you for teaching http://www.autobuyology.org/thankyouforteaching.pdf Tell Car Makers to Make Cleaner-air Vehicles http://www.autobuyology.org/tellcarmakerstocleantheair.pdf

[-] 1 points by nich (57) 2 years ago

Go Abraham. You have made me whole. I've waited 40 years to see this.

[-] 1 points by mansoor (3) 2 years ago

Occupy Wall Street...Defeat Capitalist And Imperialist Of the World....

[-] 1 points by mansoor (3) 2 years ago

Keep it up. Don't Stop please... U have to defeat the capitalism system of the world

[-] 1 points by machetemark (2) 2 years ago

Well how about we use all of this extra energy/effort on finding CONSTRUCTIVE ways to get your point across. Better yet, how about you find jobs. Protesting (while collecting unemployment benefits) at major cities, and Banks is a pathetic waste of your time. We are a Capitalist society, so if you want to experience the "1%" lifestyle start busting your ass in your job. Nothing is more annoying that smelling/seeing tents in Philly on our way to work. Oh and guess what, last time I check Banks are a profit company. How else would they make money on you if you keep an avg balance of $2k or less??? Think about it...

[-] 1 points by waveform144 (5) 2 years ago

NESARA "National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act" http://wh.gov/4d5 ...it is time to act now...five minutes can protect your childrens liberties...and yours...

[-] 1 points by markarecio (26) 2 years ago

Occupy Wall Street For A Long Time Until There is Social, Economic, And Political Change.

Three Things Come into Mind: One is Wall Street and Government Should be Separate. Two is Tax The 1 Percent Rich for Fairness and More Government Revenue. Three is Sales Tax Should Be Distributed To Social, Constructive, and Economic Programs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ZPdoExVjQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn_x5vpD8W8&feature=related

[-] 1 points by FactsRkewl (-7) 2 years ago

Detroit MI compared to Pittsburgh PA - all data from city-data.com

Detroit - 75.7% black, 13.1% white.

Pittsburgh - 65% white, 26.2% black.

Murder and rape rates per 100,000 :

Detroit murder rate per 100,000, year by year: 1999 - 42.6. 2000 - 40.7. 2001 - 41.3. 2002 - 41.8. 2003 - 39.4. 2004 - 42.1. 2005 - 39.3. 2006 - 47.3. 2007 - 45.8. 2008 - 33.8. 2009 - 40.2.

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Detroit rape rate per 100,000 - year by year: 1999 - 81. 2000 - 83.4. 2001 - 68.2. 2002 - 73.6. 2003 - 87.7. 2004 - 78.6. 2005 - 65.4. 2006 - 67. 2007 - 39.6. 2008 - 36.4. 2009 - 36.9. (interesting that the rate dramatically falls around the time of the popularization of the black "no snitching" code.)


Pittsburgh murder rate per 100,000 - year by year: 1999 - 14.1. 2000 - 10.5. 2001 - 16.1. 2002 - 13.7. 2003 - 20. 2004 - 13.8. 2005 - 19. 2006 - 17.3. 2007 - 16.7. 2008 - 23.2. 2009 - 12.5.

Pittsburgh rape rate per 100,000 - year by year: 1999 - 39.8 2000 - 36.4. 2001 - 39.2. 2002 - 43.2. 2003 - 40.6. 2004 - 29.6. 2005 - 35.4. 2006 - 31.4. 2007 - 41.3. 2008 - 43.9. 2009 - 37.2.


Once again I have proved that racial profiling makes perfect sense.

[-] 1 points by johnis48 (72) 2 years ago

March on Washington D.C. not by the thousand's but by the million's. american's have a right to be tired of the some old lies. and now is the time for change, but it will cost all not just the rich, but in the end it will help make everyone's life better. But it will take more than the few to make this happen. It has to be done by the masses. March on America March to D.C. in mass.

[-] 1 points by johnis48 (72) 2 years ago

I'm glad that when I read some of the comments I find a few people who really understand that corruption is very common in Gov't. I really wish all those who think they can change big business and gov't from this but they need to read the histroy of big business and the US Gov't. The only way to get true attention is for American's to change the way they think. Quite buying the products of these companies. Walk away from paying your mortages. Refuse to pay bills.believe me this will get the attention of Banks and gov't. Take away the money they are taking from you and they will listen.

[-] 1 points by thekingofnewjersey (3) 2 years ago

Imagine an economic system where banks don't exist because they aren't needed, where good jobs are always plentiful, where everyone has healthcare, where our indigent are cared for, where the natural environment is protected, where good education is available to all, where the people truly steward their own lives . Can such an economic system exist? YES! read "thekingofnewjersey" available on Nook for inspiration. Any profit from this Nook Book is donated to the OWS movement. Send any comments to thekingofnewjersey.steve@gmail.com

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

As Tim Wise has studied, white people are more and likely to actually have guns and drugs. Crazy.

[-] 1 points by rufust (22) 2 years ago

One of the big complaints levied against the "Wall Street Occupiers" is that they don't know what they're protesting so, I asked some of them and it's true - They don't have a clue about what's wrong with this country. They talk about wall street ripping people off, big banks and the wealthy paying no taxes, and the resulting wealth disparity and no more jobs.

WELL DUH?????

Have they ever stopped to think about what caused all this? ANY OF THEM?

It's called - Elections controlled by the MONEY of the elites!

Government sucks only because it no longer represents the people, it has become a whore of the elites. And, why shouldn't it? The elites finance their CAMPAIGNS!

Solution - All election campaigns must become publicly funded by the people with free access to all media for ALL candidates! Election day - shall be a national holiday.

No more billionaires!

No more wealthy Ronald Reagan like actors!

No more wall street/pentagon whores and foreign lobbyists in OUR government!

NO MORE RULE BY THE RULING CLASS!

Sounds like injecting a little socialism into our system no?

OH NO, NOT THAT!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

[-] 1 points by cat7757 (18) 2 years ago

To all my brothers and sisters in OWS, great job Please!! Keep up the great work. But be careful. "Ohio"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CYNj7noic

[-] 1 points by rarara (27) 2 years ago

The OWS movement's solidarity with those protesting Stop & Frisk is great! This is moving in the right direction. Solidarity Forever!

[-] 1 points by VivaLaRev (120) 2 years ago

Communists are the enemies of freedom and liberty!

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

What's funnier than an unemployed Capitalist? Nothing :)

[-] 0 points by VivaLaRev (120) 2 years ago

"What's funnier than an unemployed Capitalist?" A communist being arrested for protesting.

[-] 1 points by VivaLaRev (120) 2 years ago

A communist demonstrating against a communist act? I think Mr. Dix is confused.

[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 2 years ago

Why the Police can brutalize and criminalize the protesters and these can't use the violence to get back their rights? If we don't live any more in a democrazy, why our behaviour has to be democratic?

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 2 years ago

US Constitution - Bill of Rights [Amendment IV]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The US Constitution is the PRIMARY law of the United States. It cannot be LEGALLY altered or LEGALLY IGNORED . . .!

An ammendment is the ONLY LEGAL method to change the Constitution. An ammedment must be ratified by 2/3's of the state legislatures within a time span of 6 years.

[-] 1 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

This needs to be read aloud everyday at the general assembly while the police are present,and anybody else who has in their mind to trample on the 4th amendment rights of We The People.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 2 years ago

That would be great !

[-] 1 points by maxi (5) 2 years ago

Sounds like wall street types have decided that Harlem is a wasted high rent district that needs to be reformed into $5000 dollar apartments.

[-] 1 points by rathtain (2) 2 years ago

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Read it carefully. ONLY PLACES can be searched, and a PERSON may be seized. (arrested) Only after someone makes a statement under oath that an offense has been committed can a warrant be issued. Police think "Probable Cause" is anything they think does not look right.

[-] 1 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

Believe me when I tell you,I know some police people personally who actually think "anything" is a probable cause!

[-] 1 points by rathtain (2) 2 years ago

Prescott Bush was allegedly a banker for the Nazis in New York before and during WW2. George Bush Sr. was the director of the CIA and Reagan was an actor. Who do you think was really running the White House from 1980 - 1988? He got elected in 1988 one term but got his cronies the Clinton's in for 8 years followed by his son for another 8 years he is probably tied to Obama behind the scenes. One guy running America for 31+ years made rich by Nazi money.

[-] 1 points by Fresh2Death13 (207) from Windsor, ON 2 years ago

he was convicted of treason. nothing alleged about it

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Yep, a little more specific, not convicted, but should have been. This is enough to prevent the presidency of his son and grandson in my book.------

Herbert Parmet writes: "In the summer and fall of 1942, Congress, under the authority of the Trading With the Enemy Act, seized the first group of entities, the UBC, the Holland-American Trading Corporation, and the Hamburg-American Line. Buchanan's diligence has discovered that the latter 'reportedly smuggled Nazi spies into the U.S. before the war and encouraged U.S. 'Patriots' to travel to Germany and proselytize for Hitler in the early 1930s.' Much of this is confirmed by the new documentation. The UBC was not a 'bank' at all but 'in reality a clearing house' for many assets and enterprises held by Fritz Thyssen, a German steel magnate who has written about his role in helping to finance the Third Reich. Located close to Bush's 59 Wall Street office, it was 'founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N. V. of Holland.'"

[-] 1 points by Fresh2Death13 (207) from Windsor, ON 2 years ago

thanks for keeping me Honest Chris ! In my books he was head of the company if the company was guilty he was too

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

In truth, you must be correct. Technically prescott bush was let off on a lessor charge. The intent WAS treason, and we can see the mark of that on his legacy with hwb & gwb. Intention to usurp the constitution is what determines the crime of treason, not profit.

[-] 1 points by ragmaniac (1) 2 years ago

There seems to be some minor mealy-mouthed effort to dismiss these world-wide protests with the comment: "I don't know what they want. They are unfocused."

You have the answer right in your own pocket. If during the last 10 years or so, most things have gone well for you and your family and other relatives, then these protests are of no concern for you and you might as well go back to sleep and hope it's over when you wake up.

If, however, the last ten years have prersented a serious struggle for you, both in financial and other "quality-of-life" terms, then you already know what the protests are all about, and you may wish to participate in this effort to make your life better.

[-] 1 points by frangible (67) from Albuquerque, NM 2 years ago

"...stop and frisk over 700,000 people in 2011..." That's one out of every eleven people in NYC, 8% of the population. WTF! Does the NYPD really consider NYC to be a gigantic open-air prison? Cuz the only place with that many frisks is a prison.

[-] 1 points by Fredone (234) 2 years ago

talk about getting distracted. This has nothing to do with rule by the wealthy, worthy cause though it is. Whatever, the weak minded masses are being co-opted, as per usual.

[-] 1 points by OWSInfonaut (4) from Lake Elsinore, CA 2 years ago

Oh yea, it's also for this reason.... "The fight continues with Saturday’s 2:00 pm rally at Union Square, part of a National Day of Protest to Stop Police Brutality, Repression, and the Criminalization of a Generation."

[-] 1 points by OWSInfonaut (4) from Lake Elsinore, CA 2 years ago

Just because they are focusing on this issue doesn't mean the movement is derailed or distracted... If they decided to march there, then the General Assembly must have decided it was a noteworthy thing to do during that time period. The General Assembly sets the direction of the group day by day and this is in no way a sign of it being derailed or distracted... OWS and OccupyTogether are "Too big to fail" and the structuring will not lend itself to being taken over or co-opted.

[-] 0 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 2 years ago

The Occupy movement is a community-level movement with global scaleability. Occupy Harlem's march is a perfect example of its open-source nature.

[-] 1 points by JohnWa (510) 2 years ago

McCarthyism if alive blaming fictitious causes with no evidence.

Those idiots who cry Commie just show how little they know or think. Sponges to the McCarthyism used to wage wear where no cause for fear exists. Fear is used as a weapon to divide and rule and never more so that now.
The 911 fiasco also was a tool to create fear and plunge USA into hatred and war for the profit of a small group.

Those who cry Commie are pitifully in need of some education and understanding about what is happening. They probably are just afraid believing the crap they have been fed day after day by papers and TV all owned and controlled by the 1% criminal element who also control the Govt and laws.

[-] 1 points by DocWatson (109) 2 years ago

In fairness, citizens making claims of seeing Commies is not McCarthyism. It is when govts use their power to repress collectivist thought.

[-] 1 points by JohnWa (510) 2 years ago

Fair enough Doc There is a wider meaning that was intended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Often you see comment accusing someone of being a Commie when no communist or even socialist opinions have been uttered. Fear of name calling is just another distraction from open discussion.
Name calling is often resorted to when the ability to maintain discussion is lost.

[-] 1 points by Labann (1) 2 years ago

Spreading the message on my own blog... http://web.mac.com/labann/Bike_%26_Chain/Blog/Entries/2011/10/23_Cane_The_Meek_2.html

Velorutionary literary art on-line, still free and responsible, at... http://bike-n-chain.blogspot.com/

The fight has begun, better late than never, since the class war has raged for decades with "trickle up" economics. Corporate welfare, multinational mergers, NAFTA, offshoring, outsourcing, prejudiced policies, and ruination of core competencies across the nation made this mess, not honest working folks forced out by heartless banks. Boycott, protest, stoppage, and unions worked historically to level playing field, but they're bound to bring bruises, so be prepared. Still have scars from '60's.

[-] 1 points by TomThumb (2) 2 years ago

Thank you. I am in the same boat. I am going to use that boat to get me to OWS! Keep writing!

[-] 1 points by frangible (67) from Albuquerque, NM 2 years ago

Thanks for the links. Very informative. Just subscribed to "Allthingsharlem."

[-] 1 points by legalassistant (164) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Show featuring an NYPD officer who recorded the police who engage in this shit. They do it to make money. Listen to this: The police end up eventually raiding his house and taking the recorder.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=414&act=2

Stop and frisk is illegal.

[-] 1 points by madeinusa (393) 2 years ago

Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s top secretary urged Albany Mayor Jerry Jennings on Friday to instruct city police to remove Occupy Albany protesters from a downtown park near the state Capitol if they tried to remain there after an 11 p.m curfew.

A person familiar with the matter said Cuomo’s secretary, Larry Schwartz, called Jennings late Friday morning and said that State Police, who control half of the park that is partly owned by the state of New York and city of Albany, would remove any protesters who did not comply with a curfew. The position of the governor’s office was in contrast to an earlier plan by Albany police to leave the protesters alone if they were peaceful, even if they stayed overnight.

Occupy Albany demonstrators began arriving at Lafayette/Academy park around noon. Half of the space is state land, the rest city property.

[-] 1 points by my2cnz (1) 2 years ago

Since when are there 'curfews?' - thought curfews were only for minors, under 18.

[-] 1 points by madeinusa (393) 2 years ago

??? but I just heard the mayor and police chief will not listen to Cuomo. Occupy Albany stays!!!!

[-] 1 points by littlebiggygirl (26) from Hesperia, CA 2 years ago

what three words best describe the Occupy movement on day #36? http://littlebiggy.org/4660547

[-] 1 points by legalassistant (164) from New York, NY 2 years ago

We will sacrifice Obama and any democrat on the altar of Democracy as an example of what happens when you don't deliver on what you promise. We don't give a shit if repugs win. It wont make a difference at this point.

You can hold out hope in fake democracy if you want, that's your problem. It doesn't mean we have to do it.

[-] 1 points by frangible (67) from Albuquerque, NM 2 years ago

Speak for yourself. Me, I'll work with the Devil if the Devil helps us get money out of politics. Ask yourself, what matters most, punishment of perceived wrongs or the reforms necessary for the American people to once again flourish? Hate for those in power or love of the 99%? What motivates you? You already know what motivates me.

[-] 2 points by legalassistant (164) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I'll work with the Devil

That hasn't worked. Reforms will not work. We have been trying to reform our way out of this since the New Deal. Revolution is the only solution

[-] 1 points by frangible (67) from Albuquerque, NM 2 years ago

If you mean something like the Velvet Revolution or Gandhi's nonviolent overthrow of the British rule of India or MLK, I'll accept the word revolution. Otherwise, forget about it. Me, I'd try to recruit allies from among the impure. Is this about achieving the goals of the OWS movement or about punishment?

[-] 1 points by legalassistant (164) from New York, NY 2 years ago

When MLK was shot dead, he was in the middle of organizing for an occupation of Washington DC to push for equal wages for all. he was a socialist. They killed him. 40 years later, here we are. Things are more unequal than ever.

Western corporate media prefers that we credit the peace-loving Gandhi with the independence of India, but buckets of British blood flowed before, during, and after he came along. The Sepoy Rebellion of 1857 nor the partition of 1947—a British precondition for independence—left thousands, perhaps as many as a million, dead. In between were countless assassinations and acts of terrorism; can anyone doubt that these violent acts altered the calculus in London as to whether the Raj remained fiscally and politically viable?

If the existing Democratic-Republican duopoly and the gangster corporatist form of capitalism it supports were capable of reform, I would not call for revolution. If the problems we faced weren't massive, I would cross my fingers and hope for improvement someday somehow. And if there was a snowball's chance in the hell of a heating planet of either forcing our rulers out of power or of changing their policies to something approximating sanity without having to use force, I would be all for it.

I am, however, a student of history. As there has never—never!—been an example of fundamental change as the result of exclusively nonviolent attacks against an oppressor, I refuse to be so arrogant or naïve as to suppose that we Americans could succeed in 2010 where hundreds of millions of our fellow humans have failed every single time. -Rall

[-] 1 points by Fresh2Death13 (207) from Windsor, ON 2 years ago

very true

[-] 1 points by frangible (67) from Albuquerque, NM 2 years ago

This is a nonviolent movement. This isn't me speaking, this is the OWS Assembly. Nonviolent, no hate speech. If those don't suit you, please go elsewhere. And most of us pay attention to the news. We know the enemies of Occupy would love to paint us as violent. Some, like the reporter from American Prospect, have even gone so far as to attempt to incite violence. Since you believe in violent solutions, this movement is not for you. I will be ignoring any further posts on your part.

[-] 1 points by legalassistant (164) from New York, NY 2 years ago

If there will be a violent contingent, It will not be OWS, of course. We are in agreement. I can concede that this is not the place for this discussion. Sorry if I offended you. I am all for keeping a focus.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 2 years ago

I don't support this at all. Crime is up by as much as 90% in some areas of NY now. And it's all gang related... gang initiation begins in September when kids go back to school and continues to the end of November with a focus on Halloween. The intent of Stop and Frisk is to get illegal weapons off the streets which they will use to slash, maim, and shoot victims, including the police, arbitrarily and at will. I can take this to the next level - such suggestions as these are criminally motivated. NYPD is the biggest gang in NY... go back to your hovels and your crack... and stay off the streets of NY.

[-] 0 points by FactsRkewl (-7) 2 years ago

New 911 police tapes from Wisconsin State Fair released

By Mike Mullen Thu., Aug. 11 2011 at 7:49 AM

​A huge fresh batch of 911 tapes has been released by the West Allis Police Department, shedding new light on the racially-fraught crime wave that gripped the Wisconsin State Fair last Thursday.

Call after call came in to the 911 dispatcher, each sounding similar but adding a new story:

"Hi I'm calling because my kids came from the state fair and they were attacked by a group of black people that opened the car door and started punching them," one woman tells the dispatcher.

Then, another caller:

"Hi, uhm, there was like 25 black kids that were trying to jump a State Fair park worker," a woman says.

Meanwhile, West Allis police say race did play a factor in 11 incidents they're investigating from that night, including nine assaults, and that it might still charge some of the incidents from that night as "hate crimes," according to Milwaukee radio station WTMJ.

Many of the tapes, which were obtained by WTMJ, sound like echoes of each other.

VIDEO OF THE VIOLENCE: Cell phone footage WI State Fair wilding [VIDEO]

One caller just after 11:30 said he "just wanted to make sure somebody got to the kid who was getting, just, pummeled on the side of the road."

​"The African Americans that were beating the hell out of him pulled him up off the sidewalk into the bush," he says. And then: "And the security guard, the African American lady that was working that gate, her ass needs to be fired, because she didn't do a damn thing. She just stood there and watched."

In another tape, a man who sounds drunk or dizzy tells the dispatcher he was jumped and beaten, and eventually turns his rage on her.

"Yeah, there's a group of African Americans that are walking down 75th Street, going north, that thought it was okay to have a law abiding citizen walking by... and they just jump me, what?"

"Do you need an ambulance, sir?"

"No I don't need an ambulance. I'm bleeding but I don't give a shit."

"Do you want an ambulance?"

"No I don't want a fucking ambulance. Send some squads, arrest these people."

"We have squads all over the area you're going to have to walk up to an officer and find one."

"Walk up to an officer? I don't see an officer anywhere what are you talking about?"

"We have about 20 squads all around the general area."

"I mean this is what I gotta go through, I pay taxes and I'm walking down the fucking street  -- really? -- and this is what the fuck happens, some stupid fucking black motherfuckers, they think they can just punch people, really?"

Wisconsin State Fair police arrested 23 people during the violence, all but one of them between the ages of 15 and 20, and West Allis Police arrested another seven. Police reports from the incident are expected to come out later today.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/08/_911_police_tapes_wisconsin_state_fair_race_riot_hate_charges.php

[-] 0 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

isolated incident. You are here to promote racism with your divide and conquer message of Occupy Wallstreet.

[-] 0 points by FactsRkewl (-7) 2 years ago

Wrong, bitch.

http://violentflashmobs.com/

A database of violent flash mobs - almost 100% black.

[-] 0 points by McGoldbug (0) 2 years ago

If you r fighting the Banksters then you need to hit them e Where it hurts. Take your cash out of the system and go off the grid. Buy gold and silver coins. Trade in anything but the federal reserves toilet paper. This I's the only thing the 99% can do to hurt the 1%. They rely on the USD being the medium of exchange. Until this changes we are slaves to the fed and the banks as the dollar is what they peddle. GO OFF THE GRID. Trade silver and gold coins. HURT THE BANKSTERS NOW

[-] 0 points by McGoldbug (0) 2 years ago

If you r fighting the Banksters then you need to hit them e Where it hurts. Take your cash out of the system and go off the grid. Buy gold and silver coins. Trade in anything but the federal reserves toilet paper. This I's the only thing the 99% can do to hurt the 1%. They rely on the USD being the medium of exchange. Until this changes we are slaves to the fed and the banks as the dollar is what they peddle. GO OFF THE GRID. Trade silver and gold coins.

[-] 0 points by youranidiot (-2) 2 years ago

Top 10 things to do besides OCCUPY Wall Street:

  1. Go to Work
  2. Join the Tea Party
  3. Take a shower
  4. Make some financial goals besides MOOCHING
  5. Occupy the White House
  6. Save the Planet by not using toilet paper
  7. Grow a mullet
  8. Occupy the Border
  9. Take shit on a toilet not in the park or a cop car
  10. Apologize to your parents for being such a disappointment
[-] 2 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

youranidoit just about fits you.you're sarcasm is a joke

Have you ever been to an #ows? Did you you know that parents and grown children are side by side in protest with #ows?! Are you aware that many people who are in protest have jobs?! FYI Many peoples 401ks and retirement savings have been depleated by wallstreet,corporations and banks inheritance of bailouts and mismangement of funds EARNED by middle/working class people.

Apologize to parents?! Well Im a parent. All my children are grown and working. But the opportunities that afforded to me and my generation,like owning a home,affordable food,healthcare are just about gone. My dear old mother of 81(retired teacher) fore warned me of the greed that was happening by people like you, greedy wallstreet brokers,paying off politicians so that you could have laws passed for your own benefit and trample on We The People. We've had enough! We won't be SILENCED!

By the way,your teabag party has ben tossed into the Hudson,the Potomac and every waterway of this USof A. It got hijacked by repugs..the know nothing party that don't give a cr@@p about the American people.

[-] 1 points by machetemark (2) 2 years ago

MiMi1026 it's called an IRA. Who the Hell told you that 401k's are secured investments? Just because you lost part of your retirement you can't whine, bitch, and blame corporations and banks. Where will that get you? How about you rollover your 401k into an IRA if you fear you'll loose more money.

How about this, why don't you and your OWS get someone to run for office. If 99% of the country agrees, your Rep will be in office to help change congress. If your candidate loses, you'll realize that your "protest" is nothing but a burden and an extra expense on us taxpayers.

[-] 1 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

I never said CD'S,IRA'S or 401k's were secured or unsecured. I simply stated that many people who have retired or about to retire have seen their pensions /life savings depleated by wallstreet robberbarrons,and its true. Stockmarkets are a gamble.

I don't whine and complain, I take action. Im sure you mean "you plural",sooooo since I don't consider myself to be a selfish I ma not just protesting or speaking for just myself . Im here for the middle/working class people. Im here to for basic human necessaties which are becoming less and less affordable and available...

Food

Healthcare

Shelter

A good Living Wage

Why should these basic human needs be further and further out of reach to American Citizens?!

We The People won't be SILENCE.

[-] 0 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Top 1 thing for youranidiot to do, besides be a troll.

  1. Leave the country and stay there.
[-] -2 points by Fresh2Death13 (207) from Windsor, ON 2 years ago

you know if we all lived in a truly free society it would be possible for a kid from harlem to one day be the president. But we don't and it's not so spread ur republicrat Bullshit elsewhere

[-] 0 points by jlivermore (8) 2 years ago

can't wait til winter

[-] 1 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

I gotta agree with ya. winter stops everything bad...except for #ows. We will continue to fight oppression.

[-] 1 points by jlivermore (8) 2 years ago

I agree with you; ows is bad.

[-] 0 points by richardc (0) 2 years ago

HOW CAN YOU FIGHT BACK AT THE BANKS: 1. Withdraw all your money out of the bank. Then join a Credit Union and Deposit it there. 2. Refinance your home, car, boat, or what ever loan you have with the credit union. 3. Switch your credit cards to a credit union. 4. If you’re thinking about bankruptcy do it now. If you can do a Chapter 7 bankruptcy not a 13. Go online and see if it is for you. 5. Tell all your friends and relatives to fight back to. If they say no at first keep trying. Banks operate on a 90% leverage. For every $100 they have in deposits they can loan out $90 of that $100. When you take out all your money and don’t put anymore in they are going to have to cover that 90% that left their bank from somewhere or become insolvent. Credit unions’ core values and structure are very different from those of banks. As a member, you’re not just a customer; you’re an owner, with a say in the future course of the credit union. Plus, credit unions’ not-for-profit status means that all earnings are returned to the members in the form of great rates and low fees. Banks, on the other hand, exist to make a profit for shareholders, so their definition of success is different. Credit unions provide a place for members to save and get loans at reasonable rates. Other services vary by credit union, and are tailored to meet members' needs. This is one place where member voting comes in; as a member, you get to say what's important to you. Credit unions also give members the chance to get involved. The board of directors is made up entirely of volunteers, as is the supervisory committee (which audits the credit union’s books). As a volunteer, you can be a driving force in your credit union. While their values and structure are different from those of banks, credit unions offer just as wide a range of services. They include: credit cards with low or no annual fees and low interest rates, direct deposits, cable and wire deposits, financial education and counseling services, high interest rates on savings accounts, CDs and money market accounts, investment services, low cost or free checking with low or no minimum balance requirements, low interest rates on mortgages and vehicle loans, notary services, online banking. And your money is safe it’s insured up to $250,000.

If you go bankrupt will you ever get credit again? Yes! A number of banks now offer "secured" credit cards where a debtor puts up a certain amount of money (as little as $200) in an account at the bank to guarantee payment. Usually the credit limit is equal to the security given and is increased as the debtor proves his or her ability to pay the debt. Two years after a bankruptcy discharge, debtors are eligible for mortgage loans on terms as good as those of others, with the same financial profile, who have not filed bankruptcy. The size of your down payment and the stability of your income will be much more important than the fact you filed bankruptcy in the past. The fact you filed bankruptcy stays on your credit report for 10 years. It becomes less significant the further in the past the bankruptcy is. The truth is, that you are probably a better credit risk after bankruptcy than before. Remember that these banks are the ones that got bailed out and didn’t help those people in need of refinancing their mortgages. Instead they: partied; tightened regulations so most people couldn’t qualify for a loan or didn’t extend the current terms of the loan; forced people to live off their credit cards and pay very high interest rates and then they foreclosed on them. Give them the same compassion that they gave those millions of families they ruined.

[-] 1 points by Lmurguia7 (57) 2 years ago

Very defiintive. Thank you Richard.

[-] 0 points by richardc (0) 2 years ago

HOW CAN YOU FIGHT BACK AT THE BANKS: 1. Withdraw all your money out of the bank. Then join a Credit Union and Deposit it there. 2. Refinance your home, car, boat, or what ever loan you have with the credit union. 3. Switch your credit cards to a credit union. 4. If you’re thinking about bankruptcy do it now. If you can do a Chapter 7 bankruptcy not a 13. Go online and see if it is for you. 5. Tell all your friends and relatives to fight back to. If they say no at first keep trying. Banks operate on a 90% leverage. For every $100 they have in deposits they can loan out $90 of that $100. When you take out all your money and don’t put anymore in they are going to have to cover that 90% that left their bank from somewhere or become insolvent. Credit unions’ core values and structure are very different from those of banks. As a member, you’re not just a customer; you’re an owner, with a say in the future course of the credit union. Plus, credit unions’ not-for-profit status means that all earnings are returned to the members in the form of great rates and low fees. Banks, on the other hand, exist to make a profit for shareholders, so their definition of success is different. Credit unions provide a place for members to save and get loans at reasonable rates. Other services vary by credit union, and are tailored to meet members' needs. This is one place where member voting comes in; as a member, you get to say what's important to you. Credit unions also give members the chance to get involved. The board of directors is made up entirely of volunteers, as is the supervisory committee (which audits the credit union’s books). As a volunteer, you can be a driving force in your credit union. While their values and structure are different from those of banks, credit unions offer just as wide a range of services. They include: credit cards with low or no annual fees and low interest rates, direct deposits, cable and wire deposits, financial education and counseling services, high interest rates on savings accounts, CDs and money market accounts, investment services, low cost or free checking with low or no minimum balance requirements, low interest rates on mortgages and vehicle loans, notary services, online banking. And your money is safe it’s insured up to $250,000.

If you go bankrupt will you ever get credit again? Yes! A number of banks now offer "secured" credit cards where a debtor puts up a certain amount of money (as little as $200) in an account at the bank to guarantee payment. Usually the credit limit is equal to the security given and is increased as the debtor proves his or her ability to pay the debt. Two years after a bankruptcy discharge, debtors are eligible for mortgage loans on terms as good as those of others, with the same financial profile, who have not filed bankruptcy. The size of your down payment and the stability of your income will be much more important than the fact you filed bankruptcy in the past. The fact you filed bankruptcy stays on your credit report for 10 years. It becomes less significant the further in the past the bankruptcy is. The truth is, that you are probably a better credit risk after bankruptcy than before. Remember that these banks are the ones that got bailed out and didn’t help those people in need of refinancing their mortgages. Instead they: partied; tightened regulations so most people couldn’t qualify for a loan or didn’t extend the current terms of the loan; forced people to live off their credit cards and pay very high interest rates and then they foreclosed on them. Give them the same compassion that they gave those millions of families they ruined.

[-] 0 points by iloveobamasmama (-5) 2 years ago

why don't you go occupy libya?

[-] 3 points by legalassistant (164) from New York, NY 2 years ago

why don't you say something coherent?

[-] 0 points by grepcat (121) 2 years ago

Wow, what a bunch of shit. Communists?! What a bunch of cream corn. I love this country. What a show, don't enjoy the ride you are taken on.

"We are serious and we will continue until we Stop Stop & Frisk!” The crowd chanted, “Stop & Frisk don’t stop the crime, Stop & Frisk IS the crime,”

What a way to skillfully derail everything.

[-] 0 points by IH8Commies (-2) 2 years ago

Keep up the occupation Commies!! With everyday that passes by, another group of fence sitting Independents falls to the Right!! The next election cycle is going to work out real well for you all, unless of course you Folks try to stop the next election cycle and replace it with that thing you Leftists love the most, a Commie Dictatorship!! Do you know what it was like back in the good ole' days, before the Cops stopped and frisked people in NYC? The murder rate was 2,000 a year, and 90% of the victims of those murders were Black and Latinos!! That's a fact, look it up!! So the Police target Black and Latinos at a higher percentage, because that's the neighborhoods where the crime rate is the highest. Duh!! The Cops are fighting crime, and saving lives by doing this, and mostly, they're saving Minority's lives!! Does the OWS crowd not want to save Black and Latino lives? Did you just say YES? Wow!! I can't believe you just said YES to that question!! You're all a bunch of Commie Racists!! Not much of a surprise there though, the Left started the KKK after the Civil War, the Left promoted, and believes in Eugenics (and so did Hitler), the Left supports Planned Parenthood like it's a religion (with 90% of Planned Parenthood's offices being located in Minority neighborhoods). So why would the Left want to save Blacks and Latinos from being murdered today? They're just abortions that got away from Planned Parenthood, huh? Did you just say YES to that outrageous question too? Holy crap!! What's wrong with you? Don't believe what I wrote? Look it up, everything I said is the truth about the Left!! Hurts, doesn't it?

I really do hate Commies!!! And you Folks are smelling just like them!! And you really do smell!! You know that right? Do you answer YES to everything?

[-] 2 points by JohnWa (510) 2 years ago

McCarthyism is alive and flourishing in the minds of those afraid to learn about what is really happening. Fear is blinding. Hatred can be the result of irrational fear. There has never been a communist threat to America. Your main threat is the 1% who are stripping the hopes and aspirations of the next generation and their children leaving poverty and division, more wars and destruction.

The sickness of hate will destroy any hope in your life, also the joy of humanity.

You are brave showing the racist and narrow indoctrination you have made your own, so why not use that courage to grow your understanding. Your fear is based on irrational assumptions, confusion of facts and parrotting tirades for others of similar narrow ideologies. Good luck with your future growth and I hope you get better.

[-] 1 points by agc (10) 2 years ago

It is refreshing to read someone who agrees with me. Does this site have no controls on what is said? Not saying they should, but that guys is blatant. Thanks JohnWa

[-] 1 points by JohnWa (510) 2 years ago

I think that a variety of opinion is necessary and BOTH sides of an argument need to be heard before any sense can be made. Limiting discussion and information to a narrow bigotted rant is not only silly but does the perpetrator harm if allowed to go unchallenged.

The average person in America has more in common with the average person almost anywhere in the world; than what they have in common with the Oligarchy that have destroyed this country with converted lies, public indoctrination through media and gross criminal assault on our financial, legal and social structure.

Unemployment is not just a slip of management, it has been created.

Massive wealth has been stripped out of the USA by the banksters and their system of political control.

Average folk who are bewildered often seek something to blame and sure enough there is a raft of false targets perpetrated by redneck blowhards, taking the lies of Bush and his kind and believing them.

Democracy is not what we have here in the USA. We have control by a small extremely weathy group of international thugs. That is probably why most people don't bother to vote. The candidates are bought by corporate money.

Communism has never been experienced in the USA and probably never will.

Communism has served some countries bringing them out of feudal dictatorships. China is one obviously and we trade freely reaping many benefits.

Russia has gone through a revolution and thrown out the ruling Czars and communism was the answer they implemented. That has also been broken down by the banksters for massive profit just as our democracy has been hijacked by the banksters.

This stupid cry of Commie is a smokescreen to ignorance.

I would also like to read a reply to your challenge but "IH8Commies" may not understand what you mean perhaps.

If the American people rise up and throw out the oligarchy then many are talking about how to preserve the people's will to have a fairer system.

Control by big business has to go.

What ever takes its place will be different.

Lets hope the people preserve more local voice in politics.

[-] 1 points by agc (10) 2 years ago

All go home, but not to rest. Go home to your congressional districts and organize, and take back the congress. Maybe I should not say take back, because have we EVER had the congress, really? But it never seems in my lifetime to have been this bad. It IS something that the people can do, organize into a non-partisan political movement that demands fairness and equity. Elect someone who will go to congress for us, not for the money. If the voters of a district can be forced to wake up, no amount of Koch brothers money could stop them. All power to and with the people

[-] 1 points by agc (10) 2 years ago

Can you describe in a simple paragraph what communism is and what you abhor about it? Then please, in another short paragraph can you explain why there is no justification for the 99% to be angry with the current arraignment, and why the should not be protesting? If you cannot or will not, then get lost. Your a troll

[-] 0 points by IH8Commies (-2) 2 years ago

AGC: No I could not, No I would not, No I will not in a simple paragraph explain anything to you!! I do not like Commies AGC, I do not like them, but that's just me!!;^)

So you're trying to make me get lost, huh? Liberals always hate dissent!! It's my way or the highway, right? Well good luck with getting rid of me, you don't even know who the hell I am!! But I'll tell you anyway,

I'm not a Commie, like maybe you are AGC, because I really do hate Commies, so obviously, I could never be one. I'm a Conservative, I'm a Soldier, I'm a guy who "really" wants to save America (unlike this OWS/99% movement from what I'm seeing), I "am" the Tea Party AGC (or at least I'm the President of my local chapter here, it's only got one member right now-me!!, but it's a very powerful little Tea Party), and we've got something coming for you (the Left) in November 2012 that you're never going to forget!! A friggin' Landslide!! Okay?

And JohnWa calling me Joe McCarthy below, is that supposed to be taken as an insult? Joe was right, the Commies where in the Government back then, and unfortunately, they still are today (a crap load of the Democratic Party in Congress are also members of the Socialist Part, and there's no difference between the two ideologies, just a few degrees), so he's one of my heroes because of what he did.

I hope you get a chance to take a shower this week AGC, I know what it's like as a Soldier, to go too long between one, it kind of sucks!! Stay warm!!

[-] 1 points by agc (10) 2 years ago

Oh, by the way, Commies in the government nonsense at that time was all about jealousy about the guy who got the job over you, so you called him a Commie to your higher ups, to get him in dutch. I saw it happen.

[-] 1 points by agc (10) 2 years ago

Thanks for taking the time out of your busy day to answer my comment. I understand where you are coming from. I am a soldier too, Ih8commies. Thirty -three years in the U.S. Marines. I've known people like you all my life, i call 'em the chaff. Your the people the rich and powerful have always used to Bully the weak and powerless, and your speech demonstrates that you are a shill for the mighty, or what you think are the mighty. Your the type of bonehead that got this country into every war since Viet Nam. You don't care to learn why one form of government differs from another because you are not able to contain a thought in your head. Everyone with a usable brain knows this is true.

[-] 1 points by legalassistant (164) from New York, NY 2 years ago

citations needed

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Aug. 5, 2011

Witnesses describe mobs, racially-charged attacks at Wisconsin State Fair

Fair worker: attacks not limited to outside fairgrounds

A witness told WTMJ that as he worked in a kiosk at the State Fair Midway, he saw what he described as "a Riverwest type mob. Easily between 50 - 100 kids all under 18 and all African American. They were running around knocking people over (young kids and adults), looting the Midway games (stealing the prizes), starting fights."

The witness, who asked not to be identified, couldn't say for certain if only white people were being attacked.

"It was just complete chaos. There were police on horses, lots of security guards, and EMT's on the scene. They never got control of the area." A State Fair spokeswoman said that there were arrests made involving the incidents on the grounds.

He said that as the violence happened, he was "getting ready to grab my cash register and run."

"Not to mention this type of behavior started around 7pm and forced me to close down my stand at 9pm. It scared the paying customers out of the midway."

The man said hoping to bring family on Friday, but has decided not to.

"I was planning on bringing my two kids to the fair tonight. I won't be. We'll go to the zoo instead." Woman: Teenagers in mob didn't attend rap concert One woman who asked not to be identified tells us that contrary to some belief, the young people involved in the mob did not go to the rap concert that night. "The mob of black teenagers involved in the beatings and damage outside of State Fair last night were not there for the MC Hammer concert," said the woman. "I attended that concert with three of my friends last night and the crowd was mostly white and adult (as are my friends and I). Any kids there seemed to be with parents." She described what she saw as she left the fair. "As we came through the exit we saw a white boy lying in the street, in the fetal position right by the traffic light, and coming towards us was tons and tons and black teens – there had to have been over a hundred – in the middle of 84th Street and on the sidewalk headed south," she said. "Some who stopped to kick or punch him - or in the case of one girl drop kick him in the head - as they walked past. My friends and I started towards him to help him up and a black girl walked past telling us 'ya’ll gonna get your * kicked' repeatedly. As my friend stood in front of the boy trying to get him up one of the teens picked up a traffic cone, hit her in the back of the head and ran off. A car stopped, a white woman got out to try and help. Teens jumped onto the hood of the car and ran over it. She just kept saying 'What is wrong with you!?' "

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Aug. 5, 2011

Witnesses describe mobs, racially-charged attacks at Wisconsin State Fair ....

Eric: "I feared for my life" Eric, who asked Newsradio 620 WTMJ not to use his last name, talked about the incidents that happened as he, his wife and a neighbor left the fair Thursday. "We exited at the Schlinger and 84th exit, and we walked south about a block, and then went up and got our car, came back up and around down Schlinger. When we made a left hand turn, we were stopped in traffic. I looked toward the bridge, right before you get on the freeway, and all I saw was a road full of black kids, jumping over people's cars, jumping on people's hoods, running over the top of them." Eric then claimed that he saw hundreds of young black people coming down a sidewalk.

"I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face." Then, Eric talked about trying to get out of the car to help the victim.

"My wife pulled me back in because she didn't want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn't see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage." Eric claimed that the victim in that beating was by himself, and that there was a split of white people on one sidewalk and black people on the other.

"There was nobody else around to help him. There were no other white people, period, on that side of the street. They were going in the opposite direction because, those people who were coming out of the fair that saw these people coming, they either went back into the fair or took off running south on 84th Street." Eric expressed anger at the State Fair Police for what he considered a lack of response.

"The thing that irritated me, the State Fair Police, the State Police, were down by the Pettit entrance to get in there," said Eric. "There was probably 5 or 6 officers down there. That's where all these kids came from. They came out of the Midway, across the front of the Pettit. They were still filing out of there. The State Fair Police, they knew this was going on. They knew these kids were beating these guys in between that exit and Schlinger at the next gate."

"They were stopping traffic, and I said 'What in the hell,' excuse my language, 'what are you guys doing directing traffic when there are 300, 400 black kids up the road beating the hell out of everybody, pushing people off of motorcycles?' I was livid. I could not believe they were directing traffic."

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Aug. 5, 2011

Witnesses describe mobs, racially-charged attacks at Wisconsin State Fair

Eric, a war veteran, said that the scene he saw Thursday outside State Fair compares to what he saw in combat. "That rated right up there with it. When I saw the amount of kids coming down the road, all I kept thinking was, 'There's not enough cops to handle this.' There's no way. It would have taken the National Guard to control the number of kids that were coming off the road. They were knocking people off their motorcycles." Another witness, who asked to remain anonymous, said, "it was like a scene you needed the National Guard to control."

"To me, it looked like a scene out of a movie," claimed the anonymous witness. "I have not seen anything like this in my life. It was a huge mob, and it was a fight that maybe lasted one to two minutes."

Roffers claimed that as he left the state fair with his wife, crowds near that entrance were large, and someone in that crowd .

"As we got closer to the street, we looked up the road, and we saw a quite a bit of commotion going on and there was a guy laying in the road, and nobody was even laying there. He wasn't even moving. Finally a car pulled up. They stopped right next to the guy, and it looked like someone was going to help him. We were kind of stuck, because we couldn't cross. Traffic was going through. Young black men running around, beating on people, and we were like 'Let's get the heck out of here.' The light turned, and I got attacked from behind. I just got hit in the back of the head real hard. I'm like, 'What the heck is going on here?' I heard my bell ring."

Roffers further described what witnesses said happened to the man who was lying in the street.

"People were saying he was on a bike. They tore him off his bike and beat on him. We were walking to the west on Schlinger. I was watching behind me a lot more diligently, making sure there wasn't anybody coming to get us anymore." One person claimed that someone was knocked off a motorcycle. TODAY'S TMJ4 video shows West Allis police handcuffing at least one person, but they won't say how many people they took into custody. Some witnesses described attacks on the State Fair Grounds as well.

Milwaukee Police said that their officers were sent to State Fair Park for "complaints of battery, fighting and property damage due to a large, unruly crowd."

A police sergeant told TODAY'S TMJ4's Melissa McCrady that the number of calls describing injuries are still coming in, so they could not give an accurate number of people who were injured.

That sergeant explained that some injuries were serious, and local hospitals were attending to the injured.

As of early Friday morning, Milwaukee Police said they had no one in custody.

One woman told police that she was sitting in her car with a window down when some teenagers reached through her window and started attacking her.

"I think once we get all the info in it'll be just like that, like what happened in Riverwest," said the police sergeant. West Allis Police ask you to call them at 414-302-8000 if you have any information.

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http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html

Aug. 5, 2011

Witnesses describe mobs, racially-charged attacks at Wisconsin State Fair

Aug. 5, 2011

By Jay Sorgi and the WTMJ News Team

WEST ALLIS -

Witnesses tell Newsradio 620 WTMJ and TODAY'S TMJ4 of a mob of young people attacking innocent fair-goers at the end of the opening night of State Fair, with some callers claiming a racially-charged scene.

Milwaukee Police confirmed there were assaults outside the fair.

Witnesses' accounts claim everything from dozens to hundreds of young black people beating white people as they left State Fair Thursday night. Authorities have not given official estimates of the number of people involved in the attacks.

"It looked like they were just going after white guys, white people," said Norb Roffers of Wind Lake in an interview with Newsradio 620 WTMJ. He left the State Fair Entrance near the corner of South 84th Street and West Schlinger Avenue in West Allis.

"They were attacking everybody for no reason whatsoever."

"It was 100% racial," claimed Eric, an Iraq war veteran from St. Francis who says young people beat on his car.

"I had a black couple on my right side, and these black kids were running in between all the cars, and they were pounding on my doors and trying to open up doors on my car, and they didn't do one thing to this black couple that was in this car next to us. They just kept walking right past their car. They were looking in everybody's windshield as they were running by, seeing who was white and who was black. Guarantee it."

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[-] 0 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

trolling to cause a disturbance

[-] 0 points by FactsRkewl (-7) 2 years ago

Wrong, bitch. I'm posting facts that naive white libtards and black scumbags love to ignore and hate being exposed to.

[-] -1 points by youranidiot (-2) 2 years ago

Top 10 things to do besides OCCUPY Wall Street:

  1. Go to Work
  2. Join the Tea Party
  3. Take a shower
  4. Make some financial goals besides MOOCHING
  5. Occupy the White House
  6. Save the Planet by not using toilet paper
  7. Grow a mullet
  8. Occupy the Border
  9. Take shit on a toilet not in the park or a cop car
  10. Apologize to your parents for being such a disappointment
[-] 1 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

bigoted idiot

[-] -1 points by youranidiot (-2) 2 years ago

Top 10 things to do besides OCCUPY Wall Street:

  1. Go to Work
  2. Join the Tea Party
  3. Take a shower
  4. Make some financial goals besides MOOCHING
  5. Occupy the White House
  6. Save the Planet by not using toilet paper
  7. Grow a mullet
  8. Occupy the Border
  9. Take shit on a toilet not in the park or a cop car
  10. Apologize to your parents for being such a disappointment
[-] 1 points by cat7757 (18) 2 years ago

Or spit on the brainless submission to authority sheep like yourself!! Open and use your brain - lose your hate.

[-] -1 points by FactsRkewl (-7) 2 years ago

According to city-data dot com Atlanta’s population is 519145. On Average, there are about 149 murders per year in Atlanta (4.5 times the national average).

Atlanta murders, year-by-year, from city-data dot com:

1999 - 143. 2000 - 134. 2001 - 144. 2002 - 152. 2003 - 149. 2004 - 112. 2005 - 90. 2006 - 110. 2007 - 129. 2008 - 105. 2009 - 80.


Portland, OR has a population of 550396. Portland, with a population over 31,251 more than Atlanta, has about 27 murders per year on average.

Portland murders, year-by-year, from city-data dot com:

1999 - 35. 2000 - 19. 2001- 21. 2002 - 20. 2003 - 27. 2004 - 29. 2005 - 20. 2006 - 20. 2007 - 22. 2008 - 26. 2009 - 19.


Portland and Atlanta demographics compared:

Portland = 76% white, only about 7% black

Atlanta = 31% white, 61% black.

[-] -1 points by FactsRkewl (-7) 2 years ago

New York Times' NYC interactive homicide map!

http://tinyurl.com/molcha

Blacks = 61% of the killers, 60% of the victims.

Hispanics = 29% of the killers, 27% of the victims.

Whites = 7% of the killers, 8% of the victims.

Asians = 3% of the killers, 3% of victims.

Racial demographics of NYC from city-data dot com:

White alone - 2,961,851 (35.3%) Hispanic - 2,315,041 (27.6%) Black alone - 1,931,723 (23.0%) Asian alone - 998,081 (11.9%)

[-] -1 points by Akilleez (1) 2 years ago

Throw petrol bombs at them, they're doing it in Greece and Italy. Well then again maybe you shouldn't, greek cops seem to have more balls and respect for their countrymen, nypd would probably shoot at you.

[-] 1 points by JohnWa (510) 2 years ago

You will never win with violence. Don't defeat your cause expressing violence please. We want change not revenge. The Police on the street are employees and many will not want to do the tasks they are facing. Better to get them on your side as much as possible without losing direction of the Occupation. When people read about the Police getting on well with protesters it strikes a sympathetic chord across the World. Refine your method and remian non violent - against what the 1% is but not against your fellow man.

[-] 0 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 2 years ago

This movement will be most effective if it stays peaceful.

[-] 1 points by Akilleez (1) 2 years ago

I believe it will dwindle down. An I'm not an antagonist.

[-] 0 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 2 years ago

It's possible the daily General Assemblies in cities and towns across the country - and worldwide - will keep people active and the movement moving forward. If the people want change, this might possibly be the first real opportunity for us to be the change.

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